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Tippia
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Posted - 2012.01.05 14:53:00 -
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1. Sure.
2. Griefing isn't allowed in EVE and will get you banned. Highsec does not need to be made safer GÇö quite the opposite. The effect you're talking about already exists to the extent it needs to exist
3. The EVE skills system is unique and vastly superior to every other thing out there in that it does not require grinding. Adding it will only make the system worse for everyone (especially new players). Something similar to what you suggest existed early in the game and it was removed due to the idiotic behaviour it promoted GÇö it only distracts people from actually playing the game, which is a very bad idea. It is also impossible to apply sensibly to the wide/shallow/multi-use skill system EVE has. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Tippia
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Posted - 2012.01.05 20:14:00 -
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Cayate wrote:As for the hisec increased security. Listen, PVP for the most part takes up 2/3s of this game with Nullsec and Lowsec. Hisec needs a bit more security from piracy and ganking. Not quite. PvP takes up 3/3 of the game GÇö nullsec, lowsec and highsec. Why does highsec need to be more secure than it already is when it's already so ridiculously secure?
Quote:As for the SP earning system. This is suggested for rewarding ACTIVE players. GǪand they are already being rewarded by the things you gain for being active: ISK, equipment, experience, and general know-how. Again, what you're asking for has already been tested and proven to be a very bad idea: it promotes not playing the actual game, and instead just grinding; it is highly unbalanced in what it rewards; and it's not applicable to the vast majority of skills.
Quote:So why not let the active players earn skill points to apply to skills of their choice to shorten the training times so they get their carrier faster than a non active player. Because it's not particularly needed.
Quote:As for PVPers, come on you get rewarded enough for killing another player's ship and even podding them. You get killmail, you get bragging rights, given the chance you loot whatever wasn't destroyed and sell it. You can even display their goolies on your space mantlepiece. You don't need SP ontop of all that. The same logic applies to PvE: you get ISK, you get loot, you don't need SP on top of that. Especially since you also don't get blown up with any regularity and can therefore stick a couple of +5s in there without any fear of loss, and that already equates to more SP. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2012.01.05 21:01:00 -
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Cayate wrote:I have to say this.. lol this is too funny. trolls that need attention. omg it's hard ot stop laughing when reading Velicitia and Tippia postings. I mean really LOL not getting enough attention from your right hand? I'm sure if you trolled a Twilight fandom forum, you'll gets lots of attention there! LOL! Or.. or maybe lol pretend to be a couple bronies on a MLP forum! I'm sure you'll get lots of hatemail there too! LOL!! So you agree, then, since you can't come up with anything resembling a counter-argument and have to resort to personal attacks and non-sequitur accusations instead.
Well, that's settled then. Nice of you to admit your numerous mistakes. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Tippia
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Posted - 2012.01.05 21:12:00 -
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Cayate wrote:Tippia I could give a damn You could? How nice of you.
Anyway, you still fail to provide any kind of counter-argument and still have nothing but abuse to offer, so the only reasonable conclusion remains the same: you agree with our evaluation of your ideas and admit that they're not very well thought-through.
Thank you for your support. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2012.01.05 21:26:00 -
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Cayate wrote:Tippia you're so desperate for me to admit anything that you even make up me saying anything! No, that would be you doing that.
I'm merely explaining what your arguments lead to. The problem is, of course, that you have no argument to present, presumably because you can't really come up with anything to counter the criticism against your ideas. Had you had any such arguments, the conclusion would perhaps be different, but as it is, the only sensible one is that you agree (especially since you continue to fail to provide anything resembling an argument and instead keep repeating the same fallacies).
So thank you for your continued support. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Tippia
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Posted - 2012.01.05 21:55:00 -
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Cayate wrote:Every game has jealous trolls and idiots who want to burn down ideas of other poeople because they didn't think of it GǪbut that's just the problem: your ideas have already been thought of, already tested, and already proven to be rather bad. It is now up to you to address this issue and either figure out that your idea is indeed DOA, or you need to argue for something that makes it differ from the older incarnations GÇö something that actually gives it any value.
Quote:Feel free to continue making angry attention needy posts here if you wanna make me laugh til I fall out of my chair. You amuse yourself then. You are the one making attention-needy posts GÇö the rest of us are trying to engage you in an argument about the value and feasibility of your ideas, and you have shown that you have no interest in this, instead preferring to be abusive and trolling.
Thus your ideas have lost any value they might have originally had as a result. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2012.01.05 22:04:00 -
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Cayate wrote:*snickers* Tippia give it up So do you have any actual argument to provide? If not, why would I?
Quote:If you wanna discuss the ideas further, how about we come up with something then. Sure. As soon as you provide anything that establishes a need.
Quote:You claim it was all tried and failed. Then why not bring up that proof. I did. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Tippia
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Posted - 2012.01.05 22:15:00 -
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Cayate wrote:Tippia, you say things tried and failed. tried and failed, how did it function in first place? You got SP in skills for using equipment. The problem had nothing to do with the system but with the behaviour it caused, and your idea will cause the same problem: it made people grind SP rather than play the game. That's the beauty of the EVE skill system and why it doesn't particularly need any grinding mechanics: because it lets you play the game rather than worry about skill progression.
What you're suggesting does the opposite. What you're suggesting doesn't work for the vast majority of skills. What you're suggesting applies only to some activities. All of these make your idea a bad one. All of this has already been mentioned, but you refuse to actually argue your point.
As for your highsec idea, you still haven't provided any reasoning or argument for the basic need behind it.
Quote:And I say give it up because you want to upset me and get me angry or somehting. No. I want you to argue your point. It would prefer it if you managed to do so without the abuse and personal attacks, because they only show that you cannot actually discuss rationally, and that kind of blows any idea you have out of the water from the get-go GÇö they're born out of an irrational mind. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2012.01.05 22:32:00 -
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Cayate wrote:when are you NOT grinding when not pvping? Most of the time. The question remains: why do you want to promote not playing the actual game?
Quote:As I was suggesting it that those tasks be more rewarding. Why should they be? And why those tasks, in particular, and not others? They are already highly rewarding.
Quote:I don't see how encouraging players to play the game GǪbut that's just it: you're not encouraging to play the game. You're encouraging them to play some unrelated grind that doesn't actually exist in EVE right now (because the skill system makes it completely unnecessary), and for no particular reason other thanGǪ I don't knowGǪ because that's the flawed system other, much worse, games do it?
Why is it needed? What problem does it solve? Why does this activity need more rewards than the massive rewards it already yields? Why not anything else? What about the other skills?
Oh, and you'd better believe that it will lead to botting GÇö another strike against it. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2012.01.06 01:45:00 -
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Cayate wrote:Rewarding players for being ACTIVE and PLAYING the game. This already happens. Why is more needed? What problem does your idea solve? How does it avoid the problems caused by the previous iteration of the same idea? Why does this activity need more rewards than the massive rewards it already yields? Why not anything else? What about the other skills?
And no, limiting a grind does not make it less of a grind, and if it is a grind, it will be botted. The reason is still the same: you are encouraging people to do something other than playing the actual game, and since they prefer to play the actual game, they'll use other methods to squeeze out those benefits while not having to distract themselves with the lame and pointless non-gameplay.
Your idea solves nothing; has already been rejected in the past; and only encourages the wrong thing for something that isn't even needed to begin with.
Mingja wrote:Why do you wanna pay for something, especially if you have to wait 367 days to TRY something new (like another profession)? You can see that most ppl won't pay for that. Good news. You already don't have to wait for a year to try something new. You can do that in a matter of hours or (at worst) days. Adding a grind does not solve that problem because it only reinforces the completely false notion that you need a lot of SP to try something and it makes that false notion worse by attaching a mindless grind to that completely unnecessary acquisition of SP. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Tippia
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Posted - 2012.01.06 02:13:00 -
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Cayate wrote:I've countered GǪabsolutely nothing. You haven't even answered the questions, and has instead, as always, gone for the personal abuse instead because you cannot counter with anything resembling an actual argument.
Why is that so hard for you?
It's a simple set of questions, try answering them in order:
Why are more rewards needed for actively playing? What problem does your idea solve? How does it avoid the problems caused by the previous iteration of the same idea? Why does this PvE in particular need more rewards than the massive rewards it already yields GÇö why not anything else? What about the other skills GÇö how do you handle them? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Tippia
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Posted - 2012.01.06 02:32:00 -
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Cayate wrote:You have become a broken record in refusal to READ anything. The reason I repeat the same questions is because I have read your posts and they have consistently failed to contain the answers to these very simple questions:
Why are more rewards needed for actively playing? What problem does your idea solve? How does it avoid the problems caused by the previous iteration of the same idea? Why does this PvE in particular need more rewards than the massive rewards it already yields GÇö why not anything else? What about the other skills GÇö how do you handle them?
If you can't answer them, then it is quite clear that you haven't really thought your idea through. You have no argument for your proposal. You have no case. Your continued abuse only manages to drive that conclusion home. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Tippia
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Posted - 2012.01.06 02:46:00 -
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Cayate wrote:You repeat yourself because GǪyou haven't answered the questions and demonstrated any reasoning and argument in favour of your idea:
Why are more rewards needed for actively playing? What problem does your idea solve? How does it avoid the problems caused by the previous iteration of the same idea? Why does this PvE in particular need more rewards than the massive rewards it already yields GÇö why not anything else? What about the other skills GÇö how do you handle them?
Quote:If you wanna continue posting. how about YOU give some ideas ot IMPROVE gameplay not find ways to drive the game into the ground because you want to shrink the player base til CCP can't pay to keep the game going. Funny thatGǪ that's exactly why I'm asking you those annoying questions that you can't answer: because you have failed to explain why this will improve the game rather than drive people away (especially considering that your idea has already been rejected once in the earlier history of EVE). The decision not to go that way created a game that provided consistent growth for 8 consecutive years. You want to see that decision reversed GÇö you need to provide a strong argument why.
So far, you haven't. You can't even answer the simplest question about why your idea has any merit. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2012.01.06 03:17:00 -
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Cayate wrote:I DON'T GIVE A **** Your lack of arguments kind of made that clear very early on. Good of you to finally admit it.
Quote:I could make a 50mil bet you WILL post again as a broken record because you won't be sastified until you get me upset. Just one problem: you would lose that bet for the simple reason that that's not why I post. I repeat my questions because they are relevant to your suggestion. You being upset about it is not a factor.
Of course, now that you've finally admitted that your suggestion isn't worth defending and that you can't really think of any reasons why it's at all needed or why it would do any good, there's no need for it. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Tippia
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Posted - 2012.01.06 03:32:00 -
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Cayate wrote:I have not admitted anything. GǪaside from admitting that you don't care and (once again) proving that you lack any kind of argument.
Had you spent as much energy trying to answer those ridiculously simple questions as you did on hurling abuse, this could have been a somewhat constructive thread, but you chose to ruin it instead. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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