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Reezah	Posted - 2007.06.18 11:06:00 - [1] Hi all i'm new to EVE just been one week through my trial account and i must say i have enjoyed it immensely so far. the only other MMORPG i played was WoW and i must say EVE gives me a focus and some goal to achive whereas WoW was pretty stale for me after a while. my problem is i dnt have time to play EVE as much as i like to and i find the subscription pretty high for a player like me who plays as and when he gets time. this problem is prevelant in the whole genre i think where we cannot pay by playtime. my problem is that i might go through a whole week or two without playing and would like a payemnt system that takes into account such situations. i would have thought it would prodece more income for the games company to have a lower susbscription for low end players with an option to pay the full subs if they exceed the monthly threshhold than have players like me stop playing completely cos we cant seem to make the time to justify the monthly cost. are there no other players who share this view?
Marquis Dean Demise and Vestige 9th Fleet	Posted - 2007.06.18 11:09:00 - [2] The sub is not high. If you have trouble managing the monthly sub for mone Eve account, you probably ought not be playing games at all. And Eve has one over WoW in this respect: your character keeps developing and growing even while you're logged off, whereas casual gaming in WoW gets you nowhere. --- Originally by: Wild Rho I'm having a hard time getting over the irony of spelling "dumb" wrong.
Kiyano Caldari Pilots Of Honour	Posted - 2007.06.18 11:13:00 - [3] Thats pretty unfortunate for you there, doubt anything is going to change though, Eve's one of the cheapest MMO's I've seen. Hope you keep enjoying the game though! and welcome
Jart	Posted - 2007.06.18 11:24:00 - [4] I agree with the opening poster that there should be a low subscription or pay-as-you-play option (I have suggested this in the ideas forum before now). It would definitely help get players who cannot spend much time playing the game and would make people like myself actually get another account going.
Jaikar Isillia The Vinlanders Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.06.18 11:28:00 - [5] Edited by: Jaikar Isillia on 18/06/2007 11:28:21 Eve is $15 US a month. That $15 gives you a whole month of 23 hour/day entertainment access. Where I live $15 will get you a movie ticket some popcorn and a drink. The whole package usually lasts around 2 hours. You cannot begin to compare the price:entertainment time to other methods of entertainment at a similar value. Oh and I forgot. The time based skill training of eve means that you progress while working/sleeping/exercising/eating/<insert myriad of other thing you'd rather be playing eve than doing>.
Marquis Dean Demise and Vestige 9th Fleet	Posted - 2007.06.18 11:28:00 - [6] Originally by: Jart I agree with the opening poster that there should be a low subscription or pay-as-you-play option (I have suggested this in the ideas forum before now). It would definitely help get players who cannot spend much time playing the game and would make people like myself actually get another account going. No there shouldn't. What the hell... an Eve sub is barely anything, and a second account is a LUXURY, it isn't yours by right. If you can't afford to play 23/7 that's terrible, but CCP don't deserve to lose out financially. --- Originally by: Wild Rho I'm having a hard time getting over the irony of spelling "dumb" wrong.
Reezah	Posted - 2007.06.18 11:38:00 - [7] Originally by: Marquis Dean The sub is not high. If you have trouble managing the monthly sub for mone Eve account, you probably ought not be playing games at all. And Eve has one over WoW in this respect: your character keeps developing and growing even while you're logged off, whereas casual gaming in WoW gets you nowhere. Wow Costs ú9 per month Guildwars Free Star Wars Galaxies ú8 per month LoTR ú9 per month EVE costs ú6 more for a month effectively we are paying ú36 per year for the game + any add-ons assuming one is released every year. EVE is in no way cheaper that other games out there. but my point is not the fact that i have to pay ú15 per month its baout paying that amount and not going through a couple of weeks not playing. there should be an option for players to take time of the game without financial penalty. I beleive it would open up the game to much wider audience. i do not agree with the point that EVE allowing me to level up while not playing justifies the fees. i dont even want that feature. i would rather have a system more in line with the elder scrolls system where what u were good at waswhat u used in game. i consider my game time the time i actually spend doing stuff in game not how much i level. it maybe the monst important thing for people who are always looking for powerful characters. thats not what i'm after in my EVE exp cheers
Kappas. Galaxy Punks	Posted - 2007.06.18 11:41:00 - [8] Well you could always buy a 30 day game time card if you don't play often, just let it run out and set a long skill training when you don't have time.
Jack Conanican	Posted - 2007.06.18 11:42:00 - [9] Originally by: Reezah Originally by: Marquis Dean The sub is not high. If you have trouble managing the monthly sub for mone Eve account, you probably ought not be playing games at all. And Eve has one over WoW in this respect: your character keeps developing and growing even while you're logged off, whereas casual gaming in WoW gets you nowhere. Wow Costs ú9 per month Guildwars Free Star Wars Galaxies ú8 per month LoTR ú9 per month EVE costs ú6 more for a month effectively we are paying ú36 per year for the game + any add-ons assuming one is released every year. EVE is in no way cheaper that other games out there. but my point is not the fact that i have to pay ú15 per month its baout paying that amount and not going through a couple of weeks not playing. there should be an option for players to take time of the game without financial penalty. I beleive it would open up the game to much wider audience. i do not agree with the point that EVE allowing me to level up while not playing justifies the fees. i dont even want that feature. i would rather have a system more in line with the elder scrolls system where what u were good at waswhat u used in game. i consider my game time the time i actually spend doing stuff in game not how much i level. it maybe the monst important thing for people who are always looking for powerful characters. thats not what i'm after in my EVE exp cheers AFAIK there is no úGBP option you are either paying $15 a month or 15 Euro, so no more than about ú10 a month, which is comparable to other online games
midge Mo'yb Antares Shipyards Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.18 11:42:00 - [10] Originally by: Reezah Originally by: Marquis Dean The sub is not high. If you have trouble managing the monthly sub for mone Eve account, you probably ought not be playing games at all. And Eve has one over WoW in this respect: your character keeps developing and growing even while you're logged off, whereas casual gaming in WoW gets you nowhere. Wow Costs ú9 per month Guildwars Free Star Wars Galaxies ú8 per month LoTR ú9 per month EVE costs ú6 more for a month effectively we are paying ú36 per year for the game + any add-ons assuming one is released every year. EVE is in no way cheaper that other games out there. but my point is not the fact that i have to pay ú15 per month its baout paying that amount and not going through a couple of weeks not playing. there should be an option for players to take time of the game without financial penalty. I beleive it would open up the game to much wider audience. i do not agree with the point that EVE allowing me to level up while not playing justifies the fees. i dont even want that feature. i would rather have a system more in line with the elder scrolls system where what u were good at waswhat u used in game. i consider my game time the time i actually spend doing stuff in game not how much i level. it maybe the monst important thing for people who are always looking for powerful characters. thats not what i'm after in my EVE exp cheers heres a tip.... evetimecode.com + paypal + USD - GBP exchangerates = 30 days for ú7.20 or atleast last weekend :p
Reezah	Posted - 2007.06.18 11:43:00 - [11] Originally by: Jaikar Isillia Edited by: Jaikar Isillia on 18/06/2007 11:28:21 Eve is $15 US a month. That $15 gives you a whole month of 23 hour/day entertainment access. Where I live $15 will get you a movie ticket some popcorn and a drink. The whole package usually lasts around 2 hours. You cannot begin to compare the price:entertainment time to other methods of entertainment at a similar value. Oh and I forgot. The time based skill training of eve means that you progress while working/sleeping/exercising/eating/<insert myriad of other thing you'd rather be playing eve than doing>. umm ok maybe you are rich and or .. not bothered enough to care what u sped u money on but i do and i am sure there are many others out there who do as well. even it is was ú2.50 i wont pay it if i want going to use it. i dont play one game all the time i find taking a break actually refreshes my interest in a game. and it maybe $15 in the US but it is ú15 here which is double what u are paying.
Erev Rav	Posted - 2007.06.18 11:44:00 - [12] Hi, I find 15 a month just fine. However, is it true that your pay either 15 dollars or 15 euro's? cuz that would be weird.
Bimjo Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.06.18 11:46:00 - [13] Edited by: Bimjo on 18/06/2007 11:45:12 REEZAH EVE is $40 for 3 months and us brits can pay that at shatteredcrystal.com , so no way is it ú15 per month(except for initial month where you pay for game too) also EVE is the only MMO to give out expansions for FREE ! ! ! so please get your facts right
Krezeb Caldari The Renegade Order Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.06.18 11:47:00 - [14] If you find the cost too high per month, the only way to reduce that cost is to either- 1. Buy GTCs (game time cards) with in-game currency. 30 days costs about 150-200 million ISK. 2. Take longer subscription intervals. The price per month drops the longer interval you choose. Eve isn't cheap, but you get more bang for your buck (or pound in this case) than with most (if not all) other MMOs on the market. ----- Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Sahwoolo Better?
Jack Conanican	Posted - 2007.06.18 11:48:00 - [15] Originally by: Erev Rav Hi, I find 15 a month just fine. However, is it true that your pay either 15 dollars or 15 euro's? cuz that would be weird. Its 14.95 if paid in Euro's, i don't know the USD price as i don't live there :) I think the difference in "actual price" between these two currencies is VAT. But either which way, I can't see an option to pay in pounds, so I don't understand the OP's argument between eve prices and other MMO's
Bimjo Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.06.18 11:48:00 - [16] I call ú6.50 a month very cheap
Reezah	Posted - 2007.06.18 11:49:00 - [17] yes sorry guys i made a mistake first months subs includes reg fee which is 19.99 euros which i mistook for the monthly sub. so the monthly fee will be roughly equal to others. but it still makes me pay the same for a month in which i play 8 hours to month i play 20 hours. how does a 30 day card work? doesnt it start from the first date you use it and run 30 days even if you log in or not? if this is the case it doesnt solve my problem. if not please correct me cheers
Bimjo Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.06.18 11:52:00 - [18] Edited by: Bimjo on 18/06/2007 11:51:13 Originally by: Reezah yes sorry guys i made a mistake first months subs includes reg fee which is 19.99 euros which i mistook for the monthly sub. so the monthly fee will be roughly equal to others. but it still makes me pay the same for a month in which i play 8 hours to month i play 20 hours. how does a 30 day card work? doesnt it start from the first date you use it and run 30 days even if you log in or not? if this is the case it doesnt solve my problem. if not please correct me cheers REEZAH , EVE is based on skill training which goes on 24/7 , even if you don't play you "level up" If a time based paying system comes in then I would be ok with it as long as you only get trained whilst you're online, which would suck(trust me) game time cards add 30 or 90 days to the day your sub ends, simple as that and they cost $40(ú20) for the 90 day card
Cornucopian Gallente Dutch Omega SYSTEM SHOCK INITIATIVE	Posted - 2007.06.18 11:52:00 - [19] Originally by: Reezah Originally by: Marquis Dean The sub is not high. If you have trouble managing the monthly sub for mone Eve account, you probably ought not be playing games at all. And Eve has one over WoW in this respect: your character keeps developing and growing even while you're logged off, whereas casual gaming in WoW gets you nowhere. Wow Costs ú9 per month Guildwars Free Star Wars Galaxies ú8 per month LoTR ú9 per month EVE costs ú6 more for a month effectively we are paying ú36 per year for the game + any add-ons assuming one is released every year. EVE is in no way cheaper that other games out there. but my point is not the fact that i have to pay ú15 per month its baout paying that amount and not going through a couple of weeks not playing. there should be an option for players to take time of the game without financial penalty. I beleive it would open up the game to much wider audience. i do not agree with the point that EVE allowing me to level up while not playing justifies the fees. i dont even want that feature. i would rather have a system more in line with the elder scrolls system where what u were good at waswhat u used in game. i consider my game time the time i actually spend doing stuff in game not how much i level. it maybe the monst important thing for people who are always looking for powerful characters. thats not what i'm after in my EVE exp cheers yeah well there's the EVE pricing problem, it costs 15 pounds it costs 15 euros it costs 15 bucks I wonder, does it also cost 15 rupees in india? CCP prices it's game the same (in numbers) all over the world, which is somewhat unfair. UK always loses out, just check out some of the consoles and the US and UK prices. ----------------------------------------------- "LowSec Pirates are like the seagulls in Finding Nemo: instead if "mine! mine!" all they do is yell "gank! gank!" in local." In short: brainless
Wild Xenria Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2007.06.18 11:53:00 - [20] I think someone posted this just before I did, but anyhows, eve comes to ú8-ú10 a month for me. Add to that free expansions/patching and the fact that the only extra charge is eve-voice which is totaly optional. Don't really know much about other MMO's tho I played guildwars, find eve much more rewarding as my play time varies a lot. If things haven't changed then guildwars is still releasing expansions with quite a short turnaround. That cost adds up same as monthly charges. TBH I'm suprised that someone who doesn't have much play time dislikes the skill system in eve. When I was moving I found it fantastic, just put on a learning skill to cover me til internet was sorted out. Having said that I've never played Elder Scrolls so can't compare.
Bimjo Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.06.18 11:54:00 - [21] Originally by: Cornucopian Originally by: Reezah Originally by: Marquis Dean The sub is not high. If you have trouble managing the monthly sub for mone Eve account, you probably ought not be playing games at all. And Eve has one over WoW in this respect: your character keeps developing and growing even while you're logged off, whereas casual gaming in WoW gets you nowhere. Wow Costs ú9 per month Guildwars Free Star Wars Galaxies ú8 per month LoTR ú9 per month EVE costs ú6 more for a month effectively we are paying ú36 per year for the game + any add-ons assuming one is released every year. EVE is in no way cheaper that other games out there. but my point is not the fact that i have to pay ú15 per month its baout paying that amount and not going through a couple of weeks not playing. there should be an option for players to take time of the game without financial penalty. I beleive it would open up the game to much wider audience. i do not agree with the point that EVE allowing me to level up while not playing justifies the fees. i dont even want that feature. i would rather have a system more in line with the elder scrolls system where what u were good at waswhat u used in game. i consider my game time the time i actually spend doing stuff in game not how much i level. it maybe the monst important thing for people who are always looking for powerful characters. thats not what i'm after in my EVE exp cheers yeah well there's the EVE pricing problem, it costs 15 pounds it costs 15 euros it costs 15 bucks I wonder, does it also cost 15 rupees in india? CCP prices it's game the same (in numbers) all over the world, which is somewhat unfair. UK always loses out, just check out some of the consoles and the US and UK prices. good god there is one born every minute eve costs ú6.50 per month in the UK(for the 3rd time)
Jaikar Isillia The Vinlanders Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.06.18 11:56:00 - [22] Originally by: Reezah yes sorry guys i made a mistake first months subs includes reg fee which is 19.99 euros which i mistook for the monthly sub. so the monthly fee will be roughly equal to others. but it still makes me pay the same for a month in which i play 8 hours to month i play 20 hours. how does a 30 day card work? doesnt it start from the first date you use it and run 30 days even if you log in or not? if this is the case it doesnt solve my problem. if not please correct me cheers That is how MMO's work in western countries. You pay per month. If you do not find time to play during the month then how is that the games fault? It isn't going to change. And how is having $15 US a month to spend on my entertainment make me rich? If you can afford a net connection and a computer to play EVE you can afford the sub fee.
midge Mo'yb Antares Shipyards Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.18 11:57:00 - [23] Originally by: Cornucopian Originally by: Reezah Originally by: Marquis Dean The sub is not high. If you have trouble managing the monthly sub for mone Eve account, you probably ought not be playing games at all. And Eve has one over WoW in this respect: your character keeps developing and growing even while you're logged off, whereas casual gaming in WoW gets you nowhere. Wow Costs ú9 per month Guildwars Free Star Wars Galaxies ú8 per month LoTR ú9 per month EVE costs ú6 more for a month effectively we are paying ú36 per year for the game + any add-ons assuming one is released every year. EVE is in no way cheaper that other games out there. but my point is not the fact that i have to pay ú15 per month its baout paying that amount and not going through a couple of weeks not playing. there should be an option for players to take time of the game without financial penalty. I beleive it would open up the game to much wider audience. i do not agree with the point that EVE allowing me to level up while not playing justifies the fees. i dont even want that feature. i would rather have a system more in line with the elder scrolls system where what u were good at waswhat u used in game. i consider my game time the time i actually spend doing stuff in game not how much i level. it maybe the monst important thing for people who are always looking for powerful characters. thats not what i'm after in my EVE exp cheers yeah well there's the EVE pricing problem, it costs 15 pounds it costs 15 euros it costs 15 bucks I wonder, does it also cost 15 rupees in india? CCP prices it's game the same (in numbers) all over the world, which is somewhat unfair. UK always loses out, just check out some of the consoles and the US and UK prices. thats why i use evetimecode.com... gets you the same time at US cost and i run 2 accounts so all in all i get 3 codes for the price of 2 :/
Adaris Dark and Light inc.	Posted - 2007.06.18 12:01:00 - [24] Originally by: Reezah Originally by: Marquis Dean there should be an option for players to take time of the game without financial penalty. There is. Its called suspeding your subscription and is available to all customers. If you won't be playing the game for a week or two there and there why pay? When you can end your subscription there and then, then pay when you play. Simple. The fact is in eve your character is growing even when you don't play, and that means you are playing the game even when your not through that character. So if you only want to train skills when you are actually able to play, then I suggest terminating your subscription when you can't play and having it renewed when you can. Welcome to the game. Please Help me, YOU could be next!
Jack Conanican	Posted - 2007.06.18 12:01:00 - [25] Originally by: Cornucopian it costs 15 pounds it costs 15 euros it costs 15 bucks I wonder, does it also cost 15 rupees in india? CCP prices it's game the same (in numbers) all over the world, which is somewhat unfair. UK always loses out, just check out some of the consoles and the US and UK prices. You sure about that first line as I've never been given the option to play in pounds :)
Sicarii Decadence.	Posted - 2007.06.18 12:27:00 - [26] You know that you dont have to pay if you are not able to log into the game, disable your account in the account managment. but to be fair to all the other players you will have your skilltraining stopped so you dont pay a buck and dont do any progress. you can choose as you want. play a day disable account, reactivate it and play your remaining paid time. but dont request pay less for full skilling thats the only constant in eve - skillpoints.
Valan	Posted - 2007.06.18 12:34:00 - [27] You train while offline so it's pretty fair that you have to pay. EVE is pretty cool because you can still train when you're not paying. Are there any other mmorpgs where you pay only when you're logged on? If so they're few and far between, EVE is also pretty damn cheap, especially when it comes to 'expansions'. So realistically it's not going to happen is it? /start sig I love old characters that post 'I've beeen playing the game three years' when I know their account has been sold on. /end sig
l3lind Man Caldari	Posted - 2007.06.18 12:36:00 - [28] Edited by: l3lind Man on 18/06/2007 12:35:10 eve is really cheap since you basically buy the game for $5 and all expansions are free, oh yeah and you can play for free if you buy gtc's w/ isk
Nesa Antares Fleet Yards SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.18 18:17:00 - [29] Originally by: Cornucopian EVE costs ú6 more for a month effectively we are paying ú36 per year for the game + any add-ons assuming one is released every year. EVE is in no way cheaper that other games out there. Actually Eve generally releases 2 add-ons per year, and they are included. Where as other games you pay for the game, the sub and the add on. For Eve it's all included in the sub cost. By the time you pay for WoW and whatever addons you need these days, you can play Eve for what 1/2 the cost? less? I can play Eve for 6 months for less than the cost of most games here, that typically have playtimes measured in weeks. Just because you're paying for a month of an active account doesn't mean you need to play all month. Say you play for 6 hours over the course of a month... what does it cost to go to a couple of movies ? Ok, now what does Eve cost? Seems pretty damn good in that perspective. I've payed $90 for games that I've played for maybe 10 hours then put down.... Eve per hour is cheap in comparison. Quote: yeah well there's the EVE pricing problem, it costs 15 pounds it costs 15 euros it costs 15 bucks I wonder, does it also cost 15 rupees in india? CCP prices it's game the same (in numbers) all over the world, which is somewhat unfair. UK always loses out, just check out some of the consoles and the US and UK prices. Um. There are only 2 prices, 15 Euros, or 15 US dollars. There is no 15 pounds price. The only reason the Euro option costs more is because of the VAT on games/online services that the EU legally makes CCP pay. If you illegally dodge the VAT you too can play for 15 USD... I know I play for 15 USD a month, which works out to be about 18.5 AUD for me.... It works out quite abit cheaper if you buy longer periods too.
STLEM2	Posted - 2007.06.18 18:19:00 - [30] Originally by: Sicarii You know that you dont have to pay if you are not able to log into the game, disable your account in the account managment. but to be fair to all the other players you will have your skilltraining stopped so you dont pay a buck and dont do any progress. you can choose as you want. play a day disable account, reactivate it and play your remaining paid time. but dont request pay less for full skilling thats the only constant in eve - skillpoints. Um. Unfortunately the disable account doesn't pause your sub, it just stops rebills. But you DO keep training your current skill even if you don't have an active subscription, you just don't get to change it when it finishes.

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