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DragonRiderTao
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Posted - 2007.06.20 04:48:00 -
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Welcome to my thread.
Weeks have passed since my last thread for loans. The public was vicious. I filled my goal with private investors. The sums I am now looking for are larger. I will be working with high end T1 blueprints. I will also trade T2 items within market hubs around Eve.
My offer to you consists of a 6% return every 4 weeks for 8 months. At the end of the period your 100% of your investment is returned.
The goal this time is 2 billion isk.
Invest any amount rounded to 1/2 million. If you choose to ask for the amount back before the deadline then I will return it at 75% value. Costs of plan delays.
The timer starts this Friday. Eight months ends at 0:00 Eve time on February 23 2008.
Looking forward for your participation.
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DragonRiderTao
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Posted - 2007.06.20 05:01:00 -
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Here I will update the amount currently raised.
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DragonRiderTao
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Posted - 2007.06.21 01:36:00 -
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Get in while it is fresh.
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Marodi Julita
Sublime Captial Investments
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Posted - 2007.06.21 01:52:00 -
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uhh... who invested last time?
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DragonRiderTao
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Posted - 2007.06.21 02:10:00 -
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 Originally by: Marodi Julita
uhh... who invested last time?
That information is not public.
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theonering
Minmatar
Cisco Monkey Inc.
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Posted - 2007.06.21 02:30:00 -
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if you cant tell us who invested how can we trust you....
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DragonRiderTao
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Posted - 2007.06.21 02:59:00 -
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Originally by: theonering
if you cant tell us who invested how can we trust you....
That is a silly question as my investors have a right of confidentiality. It is no different than an IPO from someone you have not heard of before.
How many dragons can you slay? You cant slay mine. |
Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2007.06.21 03:00:00 -
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Originally by: DragonRiderTao
Looking forward for your participation.
We are all still looking forward to some factual information. As of yet the only fact that is clear is: You want isk.
Nothing else.
The Eve-Online forums may not have invented whining, but they sure have perfected it.
Shar Tegral> Some pew-pew at doo-doo for free-whee!!!! |
Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2007.06.21 03:03:00 -
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Originally by: DragonRiderTao
Originally by: theonering
if you cant tell us who invested how can we trust you....
That is a silly question as my investors have a right of confidentiality.
By retaining their right to confidentiality they are publicly saying "No confidence" in you. They can not be targets to disrupt your activities so I find it odd that not a single one is willing to post a testimonial of any sort. Originally by: DragonRiderTao
It is no different than an IPO from someone you have not heard of before.
In this you are right... and you'll get the same vicious response you say you got the last time through. Of course I don't remember you at all. Always good to link back to previous efforts. Unless you dare not do so.
The Eve-Online forums may not have invented whining, but they sure have perfected it.
Shar Tegral> Some pew-pew at doo-doo for free-whee!!!! |
DragonRiderTao
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Posted - 2007.06.21 03:06:00 -
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Originally by: Shar Tegral
Originally by: DragonRiderTao
Looking forward for your participation.
We are all still looking forward to some factual information. As of yet the only fact that is clear is: You want isk.
Nothing else.
The facts are clear. Quote:
"6% return every 4 weeks for 8 months"
How many dragons can you slay? You cant slay mine. |
Ricdic
Caldari
Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd
Zzz
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Posted - 2007.06.21 09:39:00 -
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I strongly recommend no-one invest in this. The chances of getting your money back are slim to none. Zero business plan, zero credibility, treats a single statement as a 'fact'. This is the perfect example of a scam IPO. Sure, it may not be a scam, but if it is, you only have yourselves to blame for investing in something like this.
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2007.06.21 13:00:00 -
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Woke up this morning and had an insight. This insight said, "I actually hope this guy gets some investors." IMHO the eve stock/bond market has become a care bear haven. If you're return is so surefire offer these cowards 2% return.
Little risk, little reward.
I think that many of us, in an effort to reduce scams, have killed venturism in the financial market. Sad thing really.
Of course, this offering is likely to see the money walk away as this person has little verifiable history and an unwillingness to address that issue. Eve Search has little in the way of past history on this person and I can't be bothered to look over this alt in game.
I just miss the gambling part of venture capitalism. I do not, at this time, suggest this issue.
The Eve-Online forums may not have invented whining, but they sure have perfected it.
Shar Tegral> Some pew-pew at doo-doo for free-whee!!!! |
Ray McCormack
BIG
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Posted - 2007.06.21 13:07:00 -
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His previous thread was good comedy. I loved when questioned why he had posted a reference with his alt, he argued it wasn't his alt as they both had the same signature and that would just be stupid of him.
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Investigador
Caldari
Hator inc
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Posted - 2007.06.21 14:15:00 -
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Originally by: Ray McCormack
His previous thread was good comedy. I loved when questioned why he had posted a reference with his alt, he argued it wasn't his alt as they both had the same signature and that would just be stupid of him.
Oooooooh, I remember that pitiful attempt at reverse psichology. Dragon, you need to polish a bit more your scammish trust building tactics. You are still not convincing anyone 
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DragonRiderTao
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Posted - 2007.06.21 20:23:00 -
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Investments are made in people that have never been heard of before all the time.
How many dragons can you slay? You cant slay mine. |
Samuel Freedom
Minmatar
Ramdon Industries corporation
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Posted - 2007.06.21 23:09:00 -
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I think the OP is joking 
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Drethon
Gallente
Selinir Industries
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Posted - 2007.06.22 11:35:00 -
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Originally by: DragonRiderTao
Investments are made in people that have never been heard of before all the time.
Investments are usually made in businesses that lay out their plans for review...
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DragonRiderTao
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Posted - 2007.06.22 14:48:00 -
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Originally by: Drethon
Originally by: DragonRiderTao
Investments are made in people that have never been heard of before all the time.
Investments are usually made in businesses that lay out their plans for review...
I offer a return and whether my plans fail or not it is guaranteed to you
How many dragons can you slay? You cant slay mine. |
Sc0rpion
Archer Daniels Midland
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Posted - 2007.06.22 15:05:00 -
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Dude...you're a disembodied head!
The true secret to enjoying life is to live it dangerously.
-Friedrich Nietzsche
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DragonRiderTao
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Posted - 2007.06.24 03:39:00 -
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Originally by: Sc0rpion
Dude...you're a disembodied head!
With a business mind of course.
How many dragons can you slay? You cant slay mine. |
Daeva Vios
Ardent Adversary
Terror In The System
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Posted - 2007.06.24 12:22:00 -
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Edited by: Daeva Vios on 24/06/2007 12:21:20
A business mind that doesn't consider answering the questions of potential investors to be worth its time?
This is either a joke, a scam or someone truly believes this is smart business. I hope it's the first, because the other two will just make me sad.
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bjone6
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Posted - 2007.06.24 17:00:00 -
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Originally by: DragonRiderTao
Investments are made in people that have never been heard of before all the time.
You are talking about in EVE right? Because in the real-world companies must file "business-plans;" it's an SEC form. Real Life Example, Blackstone group is a private equity group that kept everything secret until they went public (issued shares). Then they released their business plans.
If you are new to this forum, then look at the other IPO's in which they CEO describes what the ISK will be used for and how the players will receive there return.
For example, I need 2 billion ISK for Tech II BPO's, I will sell them after completion, buy more BPO's and redistribute the profits.
You might get more participants like that.
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DragonRiderTao
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Posted - 2007.06.24 19:04:00 -
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Originally by: bjone6
Originally by: DragonRiderTao
Investments are made in people that have never been heard of before all the time.
You are talking about in EVE right? Because in the real-world companies must file "business-plans;" it's an SEC form. Real Life Example, Blackstone group is a private equity group that kept everything secret until they went public (issued shares). Then they released their business plans.
If you are new to this forum, then look at the other IPO's in which they CEO describes what the ISK will be used for and how the players will receive there return.
For example, I need 2 billion ISK for Tech II BPO's, I will sell them after completion, buy more BPO's and redistribute the profits.
You might get more participants like that.
I said in my first post that I will be working with T1 blueprints. I will sell the items I build from them if that helps. I will also trade expensive items in busy systems around eve.
It is a simple plan. Investors get their money no matter what. It does not matter what I do.
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2007.06.24 19:25:00 -
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Originally by: DragonRiderTao
Investors get their money no matter what. It does not matter what I do.
The problem with the op is that he flip flops from one position to another without actually answering any question posed to him. See you are asking for our money and the only thing we know for certain is that you play Eve and want our money. That's it. Nothing more, nada, zilch. You do not present a business plan for people to have any idea of your chances of success. You present no bona-fides of your good word/credit. You make claims, "I've managed"; "I've got other investors"; "Secure return"; so many so that you could possibly be a graduate of the Nigerian School of Business. You haven't even produced someone of any credibility to vouch for you. I raised 5 billion on my good word and disclosing my specific intentions to a third party... twice. I would be stunned if you raise a tenth of that with neither. I take that back, the idiot population never fails to amaze me so you may get the money. Some who'd simply give you money just because it is opposite of what I'm suggesting now. Which is, pass this one by.
The Eve-Online forums may not have invented whining, but they sure have perfected it.
Shar Tegral> Some pew-pew at doo-doo for free-whee!!!! |
DragonRiderTao
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Posted - 2007.06.24 20:41:00 -
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Originally by: Shar Tegral
Originally by: DragonRiderTao
Investors get their money no matter what. It does not matter what I do.
The problem with the op is that he flip flops from one position to another without actually answering any question posed to him. See you are asking for our money and the only thing we know for certain is that you play Eve and want our money. That's it. Nothing more, nada, zilch. You do not present a business plan for people to have any idea of your chances of success. You present no bona-fides of your good word/credit. You make claims, "I've managed"; "I've got other investors"; "Secure return"; so many so that you could possibly be a graduate of the Nigerian School of Business. You haven't even produced someone of any credibility to vouch for you. I raised 5 billion on my good word and disclosing my specific intentions to a third party... twice. I would be stunned if you raise a tenth of that with neither. I take that back, the idiot population never fails to amaze me so you may get the money. Some who'd simply give you money just because it is opposite of what I'm suggesting now. Which is, pass this one by.
I already said in the main post and the one preceding you what I will do.
How many dragons can you slay? You cant slay mine. |
Miniturret
Amarr
Rum Runners Inc
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Posted - 2007.06.25 02:50:00 -
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dude i'm relatively new to the scene and even i can smell scam from this. What the others here are trying to tell you is that yes you have a plan in mind (supposedly) But the information that your giving us is too vague. ok so your going to buy some T1 BPO's and produce from them and sell the items. ok good, now where are you going to get the bpo's from, are they already researched or are you doing the research, where are you producing them, is it a secure location if not at an npc station?
Here are some examples of FRPB Bonds
Another example FIN-U
these will give you good ideas of what people are looking for in a good business plans.
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DragonRiderTao
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Posted - 2007.06.25 04:29:00 -
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Originally by: Miniturret
Edited by: Miniturret on 25/06/2007 02:53:28
dude i'm relatively new to the scene and even i can smell scam from this. What the others here are trying to tell you is that yes you have a plan in mind (supposedly) But the information that your giving us is too vague. ok so your going to buy some T1 BPO's and produce from them and sell the items. ok good, now where are you going to get the bpo's from, are they already researched or are you doing the research, where are you producing them, is it a secure location if not at an npc station? Answering questions of that nature will open yourself up to more people actually listening to you.
Here are some examples of FRPB Bonds
Another example FIN-U
these will give you good ideas of what people are looking for in a good business plans.
I can write poems for eternity. I can sing songs until the fairies grow us all a lollipop tree. It will not change anything. There is a guaranteed return rate.
How many dragons can you slay? You cant slay mine. |
Kylar Renpurs
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Posted - 2007.06.25 06:51:00 -
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I suggest quitting while you're ahead.
No, seriously. I chucked up an IPO idea thread offering something very similar. People don't trust that you can 'Guarantee' a reward.
Plus 2 bil over 8 months is pretty slim in terms of return. If i had to offer my IPO all over again, I could pitch that much every month (guaranteed return every 2 months).
My IPO was "I run a business, I guarantee x% back to anyone wanting to give me money, how's that sound?"
People are a lot less trusting than that in this world, and with good reason.
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Jaeger Orlofsson
VentureCorp
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.06.25 09:59:00 -
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Dragon, from reading many IPOs including yours the following sentence sums up the problem for you in seven words.
The potential investors dont believe in you.
You can make the same point again and again about your guaranteed return, but unless you can change that major point somehow you are just wasting your time. I'm not flaming, thats just a blunt observation of your situation.
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DragonRiderTao
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Posted - 2007.06.25 10:56:00 -
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Originally by: Jaeger Orlofsson
Dragon, from reading many IPOs including yours the following sentence sums up the problem for you in seven words.
The potential investors dont believe in you.
You can make the same point again and again about your guaranteed return, but unless you can change that major point somehow you are just wasting your time. I'm not flaming, thats just a blunt observation of your situation.
This forum is not my only source. It is the potential investors who are losing out. The plan has been stated.
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