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Plight Sinake	Posted - 2007.06.20 18:40:00 - [1] Ok.. i though the whole problem with sentry drones in the first place was the tracking... if a target gets any kind of tranversal there pointless... Now here comes T2 sentry drones! WOO HOOO! Same damm tracking, but a little more firepower....? CONFUSED Have i missed something somewhere that makes these worth training for?
WredStorm Gallente Garoun Investment Bank	Posted - 2007.06.20 18:49:00 - [2] The purpose of sentry drones is to hit things with low transversal... ie: things far away from your drones or that are moving directly towards/away from them. There are plenty of situations where this can come in handy, most especially with a Dominix so you can have a set of sentries you deploy and when the enemy gets too close you switch out to your Ogre IIs. Keep in mind that a sentry drone hits "instantly", versus any other drone type that has to travel to the target first. Also, sentry drones won't pull agro from other NPCs the way other drones do when travelling to their target and getting too close to other NPCs in the process. Sentries can let you take down frigates from a distance and be working on the cruisers before having to change out to your Ogres (or other drone type that moves). Wred ----- Think out of the box, consider passive shield tanking your Myrmidon, you'll be pleasantly surprised!
Plight Sinake	Posted - 2007.06.20 18:54:00 - [3] I used to put 3 in a vexor and gate camp with that before warp to 0 happened.... All i was wondering was if the extra dps would be worth training for... better tracking id of been there!!!
Cmdr Sy IMPERIAL SENATE Pure.	Posted - 2007.06.20 19:00:00 - [4] Garde drones are there for the Blasterthron, Dominix, Gankageddon, etc dewarping at scramble range experience. Warden drones make sure that Myrmidons and Dominix in a fleet blob at >100km are not just there to make up the numbers. Curator drones make POS takedowns laggier but quicker. It's a niche application, but they do have their uses. Logoffs
K'reemy G'udness Gallente Delicious	Posted - 2007.06.20 19:54:00 - [5] Originally by: Cmdr Sy Garde drones are there for the Blasterthron, Dominix, Gankageddon, etc dewarping at scramble range experience. Warden drones make sure that Myrmidons and Dominix in a fleet blob at >100km are not just there to make up the numbers. Curator drones make POS takedowns laggier but quicker. It's a niche application, but they do have their uses. Everything you just said is true. Also, that logoffs video is amazing quality. Really nice looking, high frame rate, everything. Sincerely, K'reemy --- Recruiting - Named Item List
Master OlavPancrazio Einherjar Rising	Posted - 2007.06.20 19:59:00 - [6] With t2 sentry drones and sentry done dmg rigs, you can up your domi dps.
Pan Crastus	Posted - 2007.06.20 20:55:00 - [7] Originally by: Cmdr Sy Garde drones are there for the Blasterthron, Dominix, Gankageddon, etc dewarping at scramble range experience. Warden drones make sure that Myrmidons and Dominix in a fleet blob at >100km are not just there to make up the numbers. I'm not convinced that using at least 3 high slots on those ships for DLA is the best possible fitting for fleets... this is a free post provided to you by a member of the EVE community.
Lithalnas Amarr Hadean Drive Yards Archaean Cooperative	Posted - 2007.06.20 20:59:00 - [8] drop your drones 40km out and book mark that spot, then do the mission with drawing aggro to yourself and just let the drones shoot whatever is orbiting you ------------- Hadean Drive Yards The EvE inflation, 80 Macro miners, 1.5b isk/day
Nian Banks Minmatar Berserkers of Aesir	Posted - 2007.06.20 21:52:00 - [9] T2 Sentries are nice, but I wonder if they will ever be kind enough as to introduce light end medium sentry drones.
Cmdr Sy IMPERIAL SENATE Pure.	Posted - 2007.06.20 22:12:00 - [10] Edited by: Cmdr Sy on 20/06/2007 22:13:24 Originally by: Pan Crastus I'm not convinced that using at least 3 high slots on those ships for DLA is the best possible fitting for fleets... For fleet range, what else are you going to put into the high slots of a Myrmidon? Me, I go for drone links, drone tracking, sensor booster, plates galore. A cyno generator fits nicely too, or some gang mod. Of course, it's just as easy to say "Bring a BS!" but it makes an adequate substitute if you don't have one at hand, as I discovered one evening. For most other BCs, that's a flexibility demand too far. Of course, choosing the point defence role and going with the standard nos setup is great too, but just for the hell of it, sentry drone sniping can be done quite effectively. The Dominix is different, you could fit rails, but with a drone bay that size, I see people carry a wave of sentries just because they can, and it adds quite a punch to rail damage. Some people do both, especially those whose drone skills are maxed at the expense of BS gunnery, which is not too uncommon given EVE's 4 years of past skilling and all the new characters out there. In fact, I have an alt in exactly that situation. Completely drone specialised around Vexor and Dominix, no large gunnery. There is nothing wrong with sentry drones. I haven't used them that often (a few POS takedowns, a couple of fleet ops), but there are certainly niches out there. You just have to make sure the target is big, and you drop the drones far away. Logoffs
Kazuo Ishiguro House of Marbles Zzz	Posted - 2007.06.20 22:23:00 - [11] Edited by: Kazuo Ishiguro on 20/06/2007 22:22:09 Drone links are needed for sniping because drones won't fire on anything outside your drone control range, even if it's within their activation proximity range. There are some quite nasty sentry drone sniping setups available if you're prepared to use your rigs; in fact, they can outdamage most conventional sniper BS setups. The Dominix is the better long range sniper, as it has a longer locking range and needs fewer sensor boosters. ------ Spreadsheets: Top speed calculation - Halo Implant tanking
Gaius Sejanus Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2007.06.21 00:04:00 - [12] The thing that bugs me is that the T2 sentries don't require <race> drone specialization to use, and thus by extension can't benefit from the extra damage from that skill. So T2 heavies are going to put out more on-paper damage (ignoring things like flight time). Not being able to move is a pretty big drawback, they should do more damage.
Nian Banks Minmatar Berserkers of Aesir	Posted - 2007.06.21 08:02:00 - [13] Ok now that sentries have peaked my interest I have a question. Can a Typhoon be fitted out as a Sentry drone & arty sniper? Also how would I go about doing this? Any fits?
Wideen	Posted - 2007.06.21 08:09:00 - [14] Originally by: Nian Banks Can a Typhoon be fitted out as a Sentry drone & arty sniper? Also how would I go about doing this? Any fits? I don't know about sniping with the phoon but I use sentries to lay on that extra dmg. I basically go with dual 650's x 4, cruise launcher II's x 3, drone link aug. x 1. I web the target, come in close and release the sentry drones. Now it begins to hurt.
Nian Banks Minmatar Berserkers of Aesir	Posted - 2007.06.21 08:19:00 - [15] Originally by: Wideen Originally by: Nian Banks Can a Typhoon be fitted out as a Sentry drone & arty sniper? Also how would I go about doing this? Any fits? I don't know about sniping with the phoon but I use sentries to lay on that extra dmg. I basically go with dual 650's x 4, cruise launcher II's x 3, drone link aug. x 1. I web the target, come in close and release the sentry drones. Now it begins to hurt. Yeah that's a pretty vanilla standard good fit out for the phoon. I like those setups but still I want to see a sniping sentry fitted phoon, just to see if its possible. BTW what range would someone aim for if they were to do this?
Keitaro Baka Babylon Scientific and Industrial Enterprises Babylon Project	Posted - 2007.06.21 08:27:00 - [16] Originally by: Gaius Sejanus The thing that bugs me is that the T2 sentries don't require <race> drone specialization to use, and thus by extension can't benefit from the extra damage from that skill. So T2 heavies are going to put out more on-paper damage (ignoring things like flight time). Not being able to move is a pretty big drawback, they should do more damage. qft, was hoping someone else would even mention this. Lvl 5 sentry drones is fun and all, gaina bit of range and dmg, cute. But no racial spec = heavy tech II drones are still laughing and why ffs. Why would you not train racial spec and go for the lvl 5 sentries? Anyways, tech II sentry drones are cute, I too was hoping for some nice tracking bonus at range reduction (makes going for tech II heavies a choice, not a standard on certain ships). As for a sniping arty/sentry phoon.. hmm: 1400 II x4 drone link augmentor x4 (so you can actually get 60+80 = 140 km drone control) sensor booster II tracking comp II drone omnidirectional mod x2 3x gyrostab II 1x tracking enhancer II 4x maybe a bit of tankish? I dunno? plates? drone sentry dmg rig maybe even a projectile dmg rig 5x warden II 5x medium ecm drones? or a bunch of light tech II drones? Is prolly what I would try.. you might need a double sensor booster, not sure All the stuff above does not necessarily reflect my corp, my alliance or even me.. Drone guide..
Nian Banks Minmatar Berserkers of Aesir	Posted - 2007.06.21 09:09:00 - [17] Edited by: Nian Banks on 21/06/2007 09:08:58 I was thinking of maybe using this setup. Typhoon Sentry Drone, Artillery Sniper High 4x Drone Link Augmentor I 4x 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II [10xTremor L] Medium 3x Omnidirectional Tracking Link I 1x Sensor Booster II Low 2x Tracking Enhancer II 2x Signal Amplifier II 1x Adaptive Nano Plating II 1x 1600mm Reinforced Steel Plates II 1x Large 'Accommodation' Vestment Reconstructer I Rigs 2x Drone Scope Chip I 1x Ionic Field Projector I Drones 5x Sentry Drone II 5x Medium Drone II
Kazuo Ishiguro House of Marbles Zzz	Posted - 2007.06.21 15:20:00 - [18] Edited by: Kazuo Ishiguro on 21/06/2007 15:18:55 Although this setup is original, it's not as effective as some of the other snipers out there: http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/KzIg/sentry_sniper_range_comparison.JPG http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/KzIg/sentry_sniper_alpha_comparison.JPG Most of the time it'll be outranged/outdamaged by other snipers, but it's probably quite cheap to set up. ------ Spreadsheets: Top speed calculation - Halo Implant tanking
Nian Banks Minmatar Berserkers of Aesir	Posted - 2007.06.21 17:37:00 - [19] Edited by: Nian Banks on 21/06/2007 17:41:22 Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro Edited by: Kazuo Ishiguro on 21/06/2007 15:18:55 Although this setup is original, it's not as effective as some of the other snipers out there: http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/KzIg/sentry_sniper_range_comparison.JPG http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/KzIg/sentry_sniper_alpha_comparison.JPG Most of the time it'll be outranged/outdamaged by other snipers, but it's probably quite cheap to set up. So will it be outranged or outdamaged or will it be outranged and outdamaged by other snipers? I guess the biggest bonus is that with drones, who cares if someone uses a miriad of ecm modules on you because your drones will still be firing. I dunno, its only an attempt to find a viable sniper reason to Sentry drones on a minmatar ship. Just an excuse to try them in a camp ;)
OldPueblo H.Y.D.R.A. GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.06.21 18:54:00 - [20] Edited by: OldPueblo on 21/06/2007 18:56:15 A few quick notes. Unless I did my math wrong (and I suck at math), sentry drones can outdamage ogre II's now (at least garde II). As well, with 5 omnidirectionals in the mids and the drone range rigs, you can get your warden's optimal up to like 227km and a garde's at 90km. Those are the t1 versions though, quickfit doesn't have the data for the t2 sentries yet which go even farther. I'm totally taking sentry drones to V now. AND you can do it with a BC (myrmidon).
Kazuo Ishiguro House of Marbles Zzz	Posted - 2007.06.21 19:10:00 - [21] The problem is getting your drone control range and your ship's maximum locking range up to the same level as your drone optimal range. I don't think any ship with space for 5 sentries is capable of getting all three much above 160km. ------ Spreadsheets: Top speed calculation - Halo Implant tanking
OldPueblo H.Y.D.R.A. GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.06.21 19:21:00 - [22] Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro The problem is getting your drone control range and your ship's maximum locking range up to the same level as your drone optimal range. I don't think any ship with space for 5 sentries is capable of getting all three much above 160km. Doh, excellent point. 200km would be doable I believe though with the right rigs. All drone link augments in the high slots and one drone range rig as well as the drone range skills trained up (ewar drone skill as well) should do it. I'll mess around and post back.
Nian Banks Minmatar Berserkers of Aesir	Posted - 2007.06.21 19:58:00 - [23] Originally by: OldPueblo Edited by: OldPueblo on 21/06/2007 19:27:57 Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro The problem is getting your drone control range and your ship's maximum locking range up to the same level as your drone optimal range. I don't think any ship with space for 5 sentries is capable of getting all three much above 160km. Doh, excellent point. 200km would be doable I believe though with the right rigs. All drone link augments in the high slots and one drone range rig as well as the drone range skills trained up (ewar drone skill as well) should do it. I'll mess around and post back. EDIT: :( It's close and maybe 200 is still possible, but probably not realistic unless you want to dump a ton of money into your Domi when you could just use a ship better suited to sniping. Your 160km is probably the most realistic. Hrm well the setup I posted for a phoon allows you to target and hit with both the guns and drones at 180Km, so to me thats pretty decent. And the drones make you less vulnerable to ewar. :)
Kazuo Ishiguro House of Marbles Zzz	Posted - 2007.06.21 21:03:00 - [24] The drone control range on that setup is only 140km (assuming that you have EW drone interfacing V and Scout V), so the drones won't fire at anything further out than that. Perhaps if you swapped a drone scope chip for a Drone Control Range Augmentor I rig you'd do a bit better. I'd give another graph, but the spreadsheet doesn't currently have terribly good support for drone mods & rigs. ------ Spreadsheets: Top speed calculation - Halo Implant tanking
Nian Banks Minmatar Berserkers of Aesir	Posted - 2007.06.21 21:27:00 - [25] Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro The drone control range on that setup is only 140km (assuming that you have EW drone interfacing V and Scout V), so the drones won't fire at anything further out than that. Perhaps if you swapped a drone scope chip for a Drone Control Range Augmentor I rig you'd do a bit better. I'd give another graph, but the spreadsheet doesn't currently have terribly good support for drone mods & rigs. Ah dang, thats a problem. If I wanted 180km then I would need to sacrifice 2 guns, that leaves only 2 guns left. Lol, ofcourse if I did that then it would be better spent having a full rack of 8 and get 220km drone range, but then its dps is nigh on worthless. Nasty. ;(
Nian Banks Minmatar Berserkers of Aesir	Posted - 2007.06.21 21:28:00 - [26] Edited by: Nian Banks on 21/06/2007 21:27:41 double post.
Plight Sinake	Posted - 2007.06.21 23:06:00 - [27] Cheers for the reponses... So training the 20 odd days for t2 sentry's is alot better than training for t2 rails just to snipe... :) (for gall pilots that is domi/mega) sets sentry 5
Dr Fighter	Posted - 2007.06.22 00:35:00 - [28] Originally by: Nian Banks T2 Sentries are nice, but I wonder if they will ever be kind enough as to introduce light end medium sentry drones. somhow ive not thought of this myself, and now you put that idea in my head, HELL YES! also some light and med web drones wouldnt go amiss ;)
Futher Bezluden Minmatar Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2007.06.22 00:39:00 - [29] having drone stats updated once in the drone bay... better. aren't sentry drones complete crap atm? Tried out a domi on SiSi loaded with drone link augs in the high, omnidirectionals, sentry drone rigs... hell, I've hit wrecks 61 km away in my thrasher better than with that domi at 50km. THUKKER -Be Paranoid
OldPueblo H.Y.D.R.A. GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.06.22 01:24:00 - [30] Originally by: Dr Fighter Originally by: Nian Banks T2 Sentries are nice, but I wonder if they will ever be kind enough as to introduce light end medium sentry drones. somhow ive not thought of this myself, and now you put that idea in my head, HELL YES! also some light and med web drones wouldnt go amiss ;) The way I see it, light/medium sentry drones would be kinda pointless since the entire idea is for sentry drones is for them to attack at range. They'd have to shorten the range of light/medium drones down from the 20km optimal of the current garde, and if you are that close anyway you might as well let loose with the regular drones. I'd love to see the light/medium web drones though. Maybe make them not web very much to keep it balanced, but at least give us the option. I believe there are only heavy ones currently so as to not make them overpowered.

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