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Posted - 2007.06.21 15:11:00 -
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Flinging poo at Bob is getting rather dull, especially when the poo in question desintegrates before it even leaves the hand of the person flinging it.
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Posted - 2007.06.21 15:24:00 -
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 Originally by: Pan Crastus
So it has only happened once, we should act as if it had never happened at all.
Do you pay any attention to what happens around this game at all? Did you miss the opening of the internal affairs department at CCP (like goonswarm when they sent out their ridiculous open letter)?
Originally by: Pan Crastus
As for your second claim, that BoB never even knew - that's something I'm not prepared to believe, sorry. Please show me some proof.
Hold on here, you are the one making claims, you have to show Bob knew. Don't sit on you ass here like you have nothing to prove, put your money where your mouth is and show it.
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Posted - 2007.06.21 15:37:00 -
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Edited by: prsr on 21/06/2007 15:41:09
Originally by: Pan Crastus
No, the claim was made by Pet Shikari, I only wrote that I'm not prepared to believe it.
DS made no claim, DS knows there is no evidence to suggest that Bob knew any detail of T20 and his role at CCP or even his powers on TQ and how he used them, therefore the neutral position is that they did not know. On top of that, you can't prove a negative, so your position is very weak indeed.
So, since you take the position that bob did know, you should provide evidence that supports that position. You haven't shown any, ergo, you are just making stuff up.
Just a note, Kugu has tried as hard as he could to provide evidence that Bob was aware of T20's antics and he couldn't. So good luck with that.
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Posted - 2007.06.21 16:02:00 -
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Originally by: Pan Crastus
Man, you really have comprehension issues. I refused to believe Dark Shikari's statement because he didn't back it up at all, it was simply a claim out of thin air.
If you really want to treat what DS said as a claim you'll have to concede that his claim was in line with the evidence. Whereas you are still asking people to prove a negative.
Originally by: Pan Crastus
I do not need evidence to doubt such a statement, especially when it is made by someone who is obviously biased and has in the past always tried to discredit people who asked valid questions.
You are right to doubt, doubt is healthy. Doubt makes people look for evidence. Too bad you keep asking people to prove a negative while the neutral position is not in any way troubled by lack of evidence.
Originally by: Pan Crastus
Now continue to spout your childish crap by trying to turn around every sentence as if I made any claims, good luck with baiting someone else into answering.
I've never heard people refer to logic as childish unless their arguments were shot down so hard they have to save face by going Ad Hominimen.
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Posted - 2007.06.21 16:09:00 -
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ACCEPT MY BLATANT SPECULATION AS TRUTH NOW!
huh, wha, I wasn't making any claims!
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Posted - 2007.06.21 17:22:00 -
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Originally by: Pan Crastus
There are 2 large groups of players in EVE and it's not even particularly hard to see it.
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Ok, so i distributed the people i know in eve into your groups and i still have 100% of the people i started with in neither of your camps.
However, I have seen a lot of people that only have a vague idea about the facts that have been established making threads filled with far out assumptions that haven't ever been established. Then when people critically examine these opinions it turns out that either the OP is immune to reason and evidence or the goalposts are being shifted around so fervently that the discussion is worthless.
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Posted - 2007.06.21 17:36:00 -
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Edited by: prsr on 21/06/2007 17:36:45
Originally by: Gnulpie
Your campaign against RA is bad nonsense at best. Or do you really believe the above??
I've seen you a couple of times trying to fling poo, but you seem to be extremely bad at it. I won't even go into your denialism concerning members of RA taking advantage of bugged plexes, i'm sure it didn't happen in Gnulpie world, just like how the Goons never used an altered client to their own benefit with an approving nod from their leadership.
Your closing statement rests on the idea that people in an alliance couldn't have cheated because there were devs in their alliance (RA). At the same time i'm pretty sure you are of the opinion that devs in alliance cause them to cheat (Bob).
I suggest you stick with one story 'cause otherwise you are better of making a thread for yourself and start arguing with yourself there.
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Posted - 2007.06.21 17:50:00 -
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Originally by: Snake Jankins
Things got solved by the devs and gms several months ago and it's still a game.
If only people could let the T20 thing go and stop making up "new & improved" tinfoilhattery. It happened a year ago and CCP has changed their corporate structure to minimize the chance of it happening again long ago as well.
The story is over, the crowd is long gone and frankly nobody really wants to hear alt #8289342's personal revelations on the subject anymore.
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Posted - 2007.06.22 11:57:00 -
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Originally by: Hamfast
I know real life is not supposed to be used in these threads, but I have a Real Life example...
Your real life example is riddled with fallacies. Stop watching fox "news" is all i can say. It's like you are on Cheney and Rove's personal fax list ffs.
Originally by: Hamfast
Had Bob Come forward with the aforementioned BPO's (and any others the conspiracy types think exist) and said to CCP (Publicly) "These BPO's were provided to us under questionable circumstances", I would have less problems believing that nobody knew.
Since when is a vet that leaves your corp and donates his bpo's to the people he has spend so much time with a questionable circumstance?
When people recreated the "scandal" at the beginning of this year they demanded actions on the bpo's while Bob didn't get any official confirmation on the story that was put forth. Would you hand out your t2 bpo's just because some people are dramabombing the forum with accusations you can't verify?
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Posted - 2007.06.22 15:50:00 -
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Edited by: prsr on 22/06/2007 15:49:59
Originally by: Hamfast
And who do you get your information from, MoveOn.org or the DNC?
First; I'm not a US citizen. I don't have to deal with everything being either black or white, democratic or republican, nor do my news sources. Second; If a person or organisation says something thats obviously not true, i expect media to jump on it, not present it like it is a valid position to be held. I'm not saying it's all sucky in the US, just a lot worse than what i'm used to.
Originally by: Hamfast
If that "Vet" is a Dev and you knew it (as I suspect some in Bob knew), he drops a bunch of T2 BPO's into the Corp Coffers, then you find out he may have spawned those BPO's outside the rules? You are darn right I ask.
If those BPO's were gained via correct channels, CCP can say so, were they not, CCP can tell you that too. I may not be able to verify the authenticity of the BPO's, but CCP can.
So, what is your problem then? After the whole thing was confirmed publicly by CCP the bpo's got destroyed.
To make your accusations convincing you really do have to show that Bob was not only aware of T20's cheating during last summer, but also aware of what he had done that was considered cheating.
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