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Drek Grapper
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.06.21 18:27:00 -
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Originally by: Billy Sastard I think you may be looking at the game the wrong way... The point of playing eve is not PvP... PvP is a means to an end. The various forms of PvP range from piracy to defending ones space in 0.0. EVE is not something like WOW or DAOC where there is a place to go to specifically fight other players. I think this is where you are going wrong. The whole of the EVE universe is a PvP arena, you can either go out and find fights, or wait for the fight to come to you, but its not going to be as simple as going to an arena and getting a match with someone. Even for the simple fact that adding an arena like this would, in a way, break the 'reality' of the eve universe. Overall it would be a bad idea to add any sort of consensual PvP area, as this is not really meant to be how EVE is to be played.
I see your point.
It would just be nice for the casual player to find some heated action without having to wait around for 2 hours to do so. This will have no effect on other parts of the game and might even make pvp more accesable to a wider player base. Who then might even venture forth into the game as a pvp'er and not a carebear. I see this more as a stepping stone...
But yeah again, point taken. It's just an idea i thought i would share anyways. Strange how so many people get thier panties in a twist about it lol! - Michael Schumacher won many a formula one race. Alot of the time he didn't win because he had a better car...he won because HE WAS A BETTER DRIVER and because he used SUPERIOR TACTICS. |
Drek Grapper
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.06.21 18:28:00 -
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Originally by: Lance Hawke end yourself
Thanks for the imput oh wise one. - Michael Schumacher won many a formula one race. Alot of the time he didn't win because he had a better car...he won because HE WAS A BETTER DRIVER and because he used SUPERIOR TACTICS. |
Chr0nosX
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Posted - 2007.06.21 18:54:00 -
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If you want to kill EVE this is a great idea! Instanced PvP is what killed wow PvP.
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Drek Grapper
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.06.21 19:05:00 -
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Edited by: Drek Grapper on 21/06/2007 19:04:03
Originally by: Chr0nosX If you want to kill EVE this is a great idea! Instanced PvP is what killed wow PvP.
Just for the record....i have never played wow or any other online game. So from that perspective i have no idea or refference point as to what impact it might have on the game long term.
So yeah. What do i know. - Michael Schumacher won many a formula one race. Alot of the time he didn't win because he had a better car...he won because HE WAS A BETTER DRIVER and because he used SUPERIOR TACTICS. |
Billy Sastard
Amarr Life. Universe. Everything. Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.21 19:12:00 -
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Originally by: Drek Grapper ... I see your point.
It would just be nice for the casual player to find some heated action without having to wait around for 2 hours to do so. ...
Again I refer you to the test server. When I want to get some quick PvP action with no fuss, I just fire up my test client and go at it. -=^=-
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Dannek
Llama F5 and Associates
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Posted - 2007.06.21 19:18:00 -
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Change the way it works to a wagering system and that you *don't* lose your ship/components and it'd probably be pretty popular.
Combatants put up equal funds, other people get to watch and can put money down on who should win, odds get calculated based on win/loss ratios of combatants factored against the stats of the ships they're flying.
Winner gets opponent's funds and a fractional purse of the wagers against him.
It'd make for a different kind of PvP than low/nullsec gank/group/blob combat. A different set of risks, a different set of rewards.
And if you think this would kill other kinds of PvP than I bet you think people would rather be doing this sort of thing than playing silent hunter.
Wouldn't cut into piracy at all I'd bet. -------------------------------------------------------- Working towards my own personal Dreadnought, one ISK at a time. |
Ahz
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Posted - 2007.06.21 19:19:00 -
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Originally by: Drek Grapper Dueling.
I like the idea of tourney ammo. They'd be special ammo that you could fit that would not damage your opponant. - They'd turn your opponant's shield, armor, structure bars blue, instead of read - No actual damage would occur - Loser's ship would display a flag when at zero (or maybe the guns would stop firing) - Tourney rounds wouldn't trigger concord (unless aimed at concord)
Basically would work a lot like the old snowball launchers. You'd buy the tourney rounds on the market and they'd do some normalized damage so it wouldn't be exactly like a real fight. This way there'd still be an incentive to fight for real if someone really needed to prove a point.
At the end of combat users would have to reset their ships in some way to regain the use of their guns and erase all the blue on their life bars.
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James Adams
Minmatar Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2007.06.22 05:13:00 -
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Ok, I totally fail to see why people are so opposed to this idea. Don't get me wrong, I'm not for a WoW style battleground, but Arena, EvE style would be bloody awesome. As OP said, make a system with an arena in it (if someone gives me the EVE is not for casual PvP crap I'm gonna blow a fuse, we already have the gallente what-not arranging "pointless" PvP tournaments, the caldari race and stuff - All of which are great fun, both to watch and participate in IMO)
Back on track...
Setup a form of registration menu, stating time, what ship class you want to fly (you bring the goddamn ship and modules, no freebies here), whatever restrictions CCP would deem appropriate to include are selected. 20 minuttes before the match you get a warning to get your butt in gear (maybe have a tournament corp in the system with whom you automaticca have enough standing for a jumpclone to facilitate quick transportation). Some form of deadspace arena is spawned which ONLY the contestants can warp to (or maybe put them inside a forcefield and allow spectators). The loser goes POP, the winner takes the opponents loot, the opponents bet and a percentage of the bets placed on the loser.
There we have a great way for training players in PvP, the loser looses exactly the same as in "normal" PvP, thus you can forget the whole "risk free" bull, budding PvP'ers can (maybe) earn som cash, and great PvP'ers get a place to show off how l337 they are... Not to mention sweet entertainment and another way to make money.
There is only one way to rig this too - The bets have to come from somewhere, the ships have to come from somewhere, but as you could bet on the opponent with you main, then have your alt lose the fight on purpose - So maybe sidebetting is not a good idea, but apart from that I think it sounds sweet.
Hope you read it all :)
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Kristie
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2007.06.22 05:22:00 -
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Edited by: Kristie on 22/06/2007 05:21:11 You can do all this by talking to people on local and then each stealing 1 ammo/item from the other person's can, but this only works in 0.5 or higher sec.
I honestly don't want to see EvE have an "arena" type system, but someone has already created the non password protected channel "Duel" Maybe people could go there to find people to fight 1 on 1.
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Drek Grapper
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.06.22 08:28:00 -
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Originally by: James Adams Ok, I totally fail to see why people are so opposed to this idea. Don't get me wrong, I'm not for a WoW style battleground, but Arena, EvE style would be bloody awesome. As OP said, make a system with an arena in it (if someone gives me the EVE is not for casual PvP crap I'm gonna blow a fuse, we already have the gallente what-not arranging "pointless" PvP tournaments, the caldari race and stuff - All of which are great fun, both to watch and participate in IMO)
Back on track...
Setup a form of registration menu, stating time, what ship class you want to fly (you bring the goddamn ship and modules, no freebies here), whatever restrictions CCP would deem appropriate to include are selected. 20 minuttes before the match you get a warning to get your butt in gear (maybe have a tournament corp in the system with whom you automaticca have enough standing for a jumpclone to facilitate quick transportation). Some form of deadspace arena is spawned which ONLY the contestants can warp to (or maybe put them inside a forcefield and allow spectators). The loser goes POP, the winner takes the opponents loot, the opponents bet and a percentage of the bets placed on the loser.
There we have a great way for training players in PvP, the loser looses exactly the same as in "normal" PvP, thus you can forget the whole "risk free" bull, budding PvP'ers can (maybe) earn som cash, and great PvP'ers get a place to show off how l337 they are... Not to mention sweet entertainment and another way to make money.
There is only one way to rig this too - The bets have to come from somewhere, the ships have to come from somewhere, but as you could bet on the opponent with you main, then have your alt lose the fight on purpose - So maybe sidebetting is not a good idea, but apart from that I think it sounds sweet.
Hope you read it all :)
Yup...this is basically what i had in mind. Thanks for your imput James Adams. - Michael Schumacher won many a formula one race. Alot of the time he didn't win because he had a better car...he won because HE WAS A BETTER DRIVER and because he used SUPERIOR TACTICS. |
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James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates Betrayal Under Mayhem
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Posted - 2007.06.22 08:39:00 -
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How about not?
You can already arrange a duel. 's pretty easy. Find someone, ask for a 1v1, go and fight.
Artificial protection on people 'cheating' isn't needed.
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Atlanton Marcus
Caldari Veto.
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Posted - 2007.06.22 08:52:00 -
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There are several corporations that already have tournaments held, but these are not official and not known by all pilots.
I think the best idea would be to have a new 0.0 system created that was identical to any other system except that it had arena beacons for range, starting positions, barriers, and whatever junk you need. This would be the extent of it though. It would still operate as a 0.0 region, you would still lose your ships, and there would still be risk.
The next step would be to have corporations apply (or fight ) for "grants" of isk from CONCORD to maintain this system for scheduled death match tournaments. If the corporation running the tournament system allows too many incidences of fraud, piracy, and dishonesty within the confines of the tournament area, then they risk losing the grant. Basically what this does is still maintain the player randomness feature of Eve. The grants could pay for administration costs, and wages for player guards and referees. Since the corporation is real players, they could choose to keep all of the grant isk for themselves, but if the tournament quality suffers, then they lose the grant and another corporation takes their place. Of course, since it is 0.0 space, pirates can always come and absolutely wreak havoc on operations, but that's the beauty of Eve. ;)
I believe that this would be a excellent way to complicate EVE politics even more while still providing an opportunity for Eve players to fight each other in an extremely unpredictable environment. I apologize if my idea is a little unclear, as I feel there are so many possiblities that it's difficult to put into a well-structured form.
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Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2007.06.22 08:59:00 -
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No.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori. |
Ozstar
Naughty 40 Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.06.22 11:15:00 -
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use the test server.
Originally by: CCP Eris Discordia It¦s still very ackward reading threads about 'how to ride eris'
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Cpt Branko
Partisan Warfare Ltd.
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Posted - 2007.06.22 11:22:00 -
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Originally by: Billy Sastard I think you may be looking at the game the wrong way... The point of playing eve is not PvP... PvP is a means to an end. The various forms of PvP range from piracy to defending ones space in 0.0. EVE is not something like WOW or DAOC where there is a place to go to specifically fight other players. I think this is where you are going wrong. The whole of the EVE universe is a PvP arena, you can either go out and find fights, or wait for the fight to come to you, but its not going to be as simple as going to an arena and getting a match with someone. Even for the simple fact that adding an arena like this would, in a way, break the 'reality' of the eve universe. Overall it would be a bad idea to add any sort of consensual PvP area, as this is not really meant to be how EVE is to be played.
QFT
Other then that, you can: (a) organise duels via asking people in local (b) there are corps who organise duels (c) make a chatroom for organising duels and effectively add that feature to EvE
"I can't be bothered, CCP, solve my problem." is not a sensible attitude.
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Hakiro Murasame
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.06.22 20:50:00 -
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Can player corporations sponsor tournaments? That would be sweet.
Ganj is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy. |
Valandril
Caldari Resurrection R i s e
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Posted - 2007.06.22 20:54:00 -
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Originally by: Hakiro Murasame Can player corporations sponsor tournaments? That would be sweet.
I don't see any problem with that ? Just move ur ass and start organizing them, game mechanic won't do your job. ---
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Xtro 2
Caldari Pre-nerfed Tactics
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Posted - 2007.06.22 21:05:00 -
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0.0 is the dueling place for anyone scared of losing sec status, we dont need more "easy" options for anyone wanting to fight.
Patch after patch theres already too much easy routes open to people for many things, this idea is not suitable for eve in any form imho.
Xtro 2 - Tactically Insane Tradesman. Insanity, or madness, is a semi-permanent, severe mental disorder. |
Curzon Dax
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2007.06.22 21:06:00 -
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If you want a duel, click my signature. :)
Or go to Sisi - there IS a dueling ring.
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