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Kesh McCall Caldari Independant Science Network	Posted - 2007.06.22 09:54:00 - [31] Originally by: Marketcheck2 Its how you get all that 'free' health care "free" ??? I got substracted around 15 % of my brutto income for the "free" healthcare. I have to pay 10 bucks cash only to see a doctor and i have to pay for everything thats more then a basic reciept for some useless pill. Anyway to the OP .. its the VAT and its exactly 20 EUR because they don't adjust the exchange rate and 20 EUR is pretty much average. Cheers, Originally by: CCP Wrangler Am I reading this correctly? You claim you have a bug that undresses female avatars
Feezia	Posted - 2007.06.22 10:57:00 - [32] Edited by: Feezia on 22/06/2007 10:59:48 Edited by: Feezia on 22/06/2007 10:57:08 Originally by: Kesh McCall Originally by: Marketcheck2 Its how you get all that 'free' health care "free" ??? I got substracted around 15 % of my brutto income for the "free" healthcare. I have to pay 10 bucks cash only to see a doctor and i have to pay for everything thats more then a basic reciept for some useless pill. Anyway to the OP .. its the VAT and its exactly 20 EUR because they don't adjust the exchange rate and 20 EUR is pretty much average. Cheers, Which is compared to the US healthcare system "free" for them. When they loose 2 fingers they have to choose which one they want back. The one for 12.000$ or the one for 65.000$. We still have socialized healthcare in germany and i'm happy only have to 150$ a month for my healthcare package without fearing the company would reject any demands when it's needed. We also dont need a creditcard at our hospital, we just go there when we are in need of a doctor. In the US they pay for healthcare without actually getting it. But thats kinda offtopic. You also dont pay 15%, you pay half - the other part pays the company you are employed at, and if you have no job the government pays. In the US noone pays if you dont have a job.
Laboratus Gallente BGG League of Abnormal Gentlemen	Posted - 2007.06.22 11:08:00 - [33] If the seller is located inside the EU the VAT goes to the contry where the seller is located. If the seller is outside the EU VAT is payed to where the buyer is located. Hence quite a few internet companies have moved to Luxenburg, since they have a vat of 17(or was it 15, cant remember)%, much less than in any other EU country. This has caused quite a bit of controvercy. (I so would not have known this if it wasn't in all the possible papers last week.) ___ P.S. Post with your main. Mind control and tin hats
Kasahara KAOS. KA0S Theory	Posted - 2007.06.22 11:11:00 - [34] Edited by: Kasahara on 22/06/2007 11:11:02 Originally by: Marketcheck2 Its how you get all that 'free' health care Dude have you seen our "Free heath care" sorry i mean free "health care", its more of a place to go and get MRSA nowadays, in the uk btw
Estel Arador Minmatar AFK	Posted - 2007.06.22 11:14:00 - [35] Originally by: Rumari Antar From a tax perspective, I don't see how this is any different than converting from the British Pound to the Euro. I'm assuming that CCP eats any taxes that are owed, for the convenience of their customers. Which may be a motivation for forcing people in or near the EU to pay with the Euro. Or, for that matter, people in or near the US to pay with USD. (There's no guarantee that the USD will always be weaker than the EUR.) Juwi Kotch answered this in post #24. Adding to that, companies countries of the European Economic Area can charge their own country's VAT when selling to people in other countries of the European Economic Area. =AFK=
LvxOccvlta	Posted - 2007.06.22 11:32:00 - [36] Edited by: LvxOccvlta on 22/06/2007 11:31:26 <coughs> arbitrage! <coughs> Someone could make a few extra duckies in a heartbeat if this is true.
Cheyenne Shadowborn Caldari Citizens of E.A.R.T.H. E.A.R.T.H. Federation	Posted - 2007.06.22 12:49:00 - [37] Originally by: Korizan Actually you are correct and at the same time very wrong. If you take $20 or 20 EUR and you will find they will buy the same items in each country. This is the whole reason behind exchange rates and currency values. Of course! Because 20 GBP buy me the things that 20 Italian Lira used to do Its just friggin' "we don't care" on the part of the companies, in this case CCP. EA did the same initially with their booster pack for BF2, on the website it says US$, the ORDER FORM said US$ and only the payment confirmation (when it was too late to cancel anyway) they plainly charged the same amount in Euros. And thats NOT a VAT thing, thats missinformation and IMHO borders false advertisement. I had several cases with EA support because I was ****ed about this handling, and in the end they blamed it on some "payments partner" who wasn't available for comments. It may not be entirely unrelated that I have stopped buying EA games and if I really want one of their games these days then ... well lets just say I have stopped giving them any money. --
Agent Li	Posted - 2007.06.22 12:54:00 - [38] Originally by: Feezia I was just wondering why the character transfer costs 20$ when you actually charge european customers with 20 EUR. Thats 27$ instead of 20$. I also stopped buying my gametime directly through CCP. Since it's 14 EUR instead of 14$ per month. When you actually buy a GTC from an US store you only have to pay 11$ per month. Because Europeans were in favor of higher taxes for themselves. Really, it's not possible to address this topic without becoming political. ------------------ "Don't be afraid to take advantage of your enemy's weaknesses. Becasuse winning is everything after all."
Sharupak Minmatar Knights Of the Black Sun The Kano Organisation	Posted - 2007.06.22 13:00:00 - [39] Holy crap. That would be a 35% tax!!!
Zaphod Jones Minmatar Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.06.22 13:18:00 - [40] Originally by: Feezia I was just wondering why the character transfer costs 20$ when you actually charge european customers with 20 EUR. Thats 27$ instead of 20$. I also stopped buying my gametime directly through CCP. Since it's 14 EUR instead of 14$ per month. When you actually buy a GTC from an US store you only have to pay 11$ per month. Why, because we're so much better than the rest of you (y'all for US players) Rent your level 5 caldari agent
Maj Disaster	Posted - 2007.06.22 14:08:00 - [41] Of course the U.S. players need to pay less subscription, dont be mean, how would they be able to afford to buy thier isk if they paid the same as us......... But the reality of it is because we are dumb enough to put up with paying more for the same products, same as why we pay ú350 for Vista while they pay ú195 or any other number of examples of rip off Britain.
Cornucopian Gallente Dutch Omega SYSTEM SHOCK INITIATIVE	Posted - 2007.06.22 14:48:00 - [42] Originally by: Korizan Actually you are correct and at the same time very wrong. If you take $20 or 20 EUR and you will find they will buy the same items in each country. This is the whole reason behind exchange rates and currency values. The prices are set to be fair to all the players in EVE. you have obviously never been out of your own country. this is complete and utter total bull. a pack of smokes cost, in euros: Netherlands: 3.8 UK: 6 (at least!) USA: ranging from 3.5 to 6 Egypt: 1.5 Russia: ranging from 0.8 to 2 These are just a few examples. 20 euros buys the same as 20 bucks -> BULL BULL BULL UTTER BULL. I can buy a burger in the US for a dollar. it costs 2.5 euros to get a big mac in the Netherlands. what planet are you from!? ----------------------------------------------- "LowSec Pirates are like the seagulls in Finding Nemo: instead if "mine! mine!" all they do is yell "gank! gank!" in local." In short: brainless
Kesh McCall Caldari Independant Science Network	Posted - 2007.06.22 15:10:00 - [43] Originally by: Feezia Edited by: Feezia on 22/06/2007 10:59:48 Edited by: Feezia on 22/06/2007 10:57:08 Originally by: Kesh McCall Originally by: Marketcheck2 Its how you get all that 'free' health care "free" ??? I got substracted around 15 % of my brutto income for the "free" healthcare. I have to pay 10 bucks cash only to see a doctor and i have to pay for everything thats more then a basic reciept for some useless pill. Anyway to the OP .. its the VAT and its exactly 20 EUR because they don't adjust the exchange rate and 20 EUR is pretty much average. Cheers, Which is compared to the US healthcare system "free" for them. When they loose 2 fingers they have to choose which one they want back. The one for 12.000$ or the one for 65.000$. We still have socialized healthcare in germany and i'm happy only have to 150$ a month for my healthcare package without fearing the company would reject any demands when it's needed. We also dont need a creditcard at our hospital, we just go there when we are in need of a doctor. In the US they pay for healthcare without actually getting it. But thats kinda offtopic. You also dont pay 15%, you pay half - the other part pays the company you are employed at, and if you have no job the government pays. In the US noone pays if you dont have a job. 14.7 % is what i pay from my income, another 12 % is paid by my company relative to my brutto income. In my particular case thats alot more then 150 EUR a month. And if you havent been to hospital latly, without your insurance card .. they wont do jack unless you have and show it. I had a bad accident 3 years ago, and a doc in the hospital refused to take care of me until someone was bringing my Insurance card AND the 10 EUR. Anyways i dont want to argue that Healthcare is worse in the US--- still the point is .,.. its not free for us... Originally by: CCP Wrangler Am I reading this correctly? You claim you have a bug that undresses female avatars
milinkoee Bastage Incorporated	Posted - 2007.06.22 15:19:00 - [44] Originally by: Rubra VAT Exactly, because you are a bunch of darn socialist. Bastage, Inc. Worst Pirates Ever!!!
Beef Hardslab The 5 Amigo's LLC. NxT LeveL	Posted - 2007.06.22 15:33:00 - [45] It's to make up for your fabulous accents, obviously. Why there should be a breathalyzer to login to Eve: Originally by: Alliaanna Dalaii Podding my own alt in a gatecamp while drunk, he was carrying a hauler full of tech II goods, Oops.
BRooDJeRo Insane Rocketeers	Posted - 2007.06.22 15:46:00 - [46] In the Netherlands it would fall under discrimination and therefore forbidden by constitution. However im not sure it will be hard case as a form of tax when its the VAT.
Bentula	Posted - 2007.06.22 16:52:00 - [47] Originally by: Estel Arador I'll correct you. If you buy something in another country, you still have to pay VAT. Plus you're doing with the purpose of evading the tax; how's it not tax evasion? Wrong, you dont have to pay VAT for importing things of low value. In fact our finacial department would likely go hysterical if everybody would try to pay VAT on every piece of bubblegum he bought on a vacation in another country. Germany for example has something around 40Ç limit. You dont pay VAT if you import stuff worth less, so GTCs are covered. If you live in a country that make you fill out a tax form for every 10 bucks you spend outside your country i can only say i feel sorry for you.
Felysta Sandorn Caldari System-Lords E N I G M A	Posted - 2007.06.22 16:56:00 - [48] The cheapest way to pay for EVE, far too complicated for me, involves exchanging your money with paypal to US $, buying 30-day GTCs from a third party, selling them in game for ISK, buying 90-day GTCs from someone ingame for that ISK, then applying those 90-day GTCs to your account. Apparently that takes a third off your usual subscrition fee, but I haven't done any of the maths, so don't take my word for it... Latest Video, Click Here!
Marketcheck2	Posted - 2007.06.22 17:17:00 - [49] I used quotes around 'free' for a reason people Anyone who looks at the numbers know the socialist healthcare systems are a joke for anyone with a job. You pay more in taxes to keep it 'free' than I do in insurance, and my level of care is better. Sounds good for elections so the lemmings vote for it.
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.22 17:33:00 - [50] EU law dictates that purchases and subscriptions to electronic products / services available in the EU are taxable under VAT legislation. To simplify the system, rather than varying the price depending on which EU country the customer is in, the provider is allowed to charge flat rate VAT at the level of a nominated EU country. The rate charged is usually around 22% To do a fair price comparison, subtract the tax from the euro price, and convert the remaining price to ISK (the stuff they use in Iceland), and compare that to the converted value of the $ price. Then you can work out how much of a real terms price difference there is. The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
torswin Caldari Capital Productions Inc.	Posted - 2007.06.22 18:02:00 - [51] Edited by: torswin on 22/06/2007 18:02:06 Me being a norwegian I pay in USD because we are not in the European union. EU is greedy enough to charge much higher taxes on trades from non-eu countries to eu countries, and i think that's the reason... EVE is jsut $14.95 for me , hopefully the dollar will still fall like a bucket so eve will be even more cheap edit: Iceland isn't in EU, and bless for that ---
Kaian Voskhod	Posted - 2007.06.22 19:10:00 - [52] Edited by: Kaian Voskhod on 22/06/2007 19:09:10 Edited by: Kaian Voskhod on 22/06/2007 19:08:45 Petition CCP for bugged prices. =) An idea: i heard about localized versions of LOTR Online. Like dvd's zones, this feature exist just to **** your IRL Wallet up. (because the price of a thing is not its value, but the money you can/want to spend in it)
ToranagaSama	Posted - 2007.06.22 19:13:00 - [53] Edited by: ToranagaSama on 22/06/2007 19:12:45 Originally by: Jian Gi Actually a little of topic but still relevant. I started looking around to buy a dell 2407 monitor in greece. It's list price is about 850 euros. Including VAT (19% i think) it goes up to 1000 Euro's That in dollars is about 1300, while on the US shop the same monitor goes for .... $650 !!!! No you can call me strange but I somehow find it ridiculus to pay double price for the same thing VAT or not VAT P.S. Strangely enough all european dell stores list the exact same price for the monitor. I checked france, italy, germany. All the same A perfect example of how entrepreneurial incentive can be taxed away. Additionally, it's an example of the U.S. system vs. the E.U. system. You get what you pay for. E.U.: Free healthcare, and a host of other social perks. U.S.: No free healthcare, and a host of lessor or NO social perks. Translation: In the U.S. we have bigger homes (and Frigidaires!), as well as more Stuff than you in the E.U., we also work more and have less vacation----to pay for health, etc. In the E.U., you have smaller homes and less Stuff, better health, work less and have far more vacation time. Stop whining or make a choice and move to the U.S. --- Quote: ...I can buy a burger in the US for a dollar. Ahhh, I wouldn't eat that if I were you.... This is a truly interesting thread. Oh, to the OP, yeah, Euros pay more for everything!!
Juwi Kotch Gallente VIRTUAL LIFE VANGUARD Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.22 19:46:00 - [54] 2 weeks ago I was on a business trip to the US. There I bought a bottle of Eau de Parfum for my wife. This bottle - Made in France (what is in Europe) - cost here in Germany close to 70 Euros, when you get it cheap. I paid in a Mall in the US 58 USD for it (including tax), what was about 43 Euros. Then this bottle flew back to Europe in my luggage. So it can be much cheaper to buy stuff produced in Europe over in the US. And that has nothing to do with taxes. EVE is produced in Europe as well. And cheaper in the US then here... Juwi Kotch JOIN NOW, KLICK SIG!
Camilo Cienfuegos EP0CH	Posted - 2007.06.22 19:52:00 - [55] Tax on smoking has risen by at least 5 pence (10 cents) every six months for the last ten years in the UK, with the average price sitting about ú5.20 or US$10 a pack. It's one of our dear nanny government's great plans to try and pay for the NHS and to stop people smoking - all that extra tax revenue is pumped straight back into the NHS. So far however, they're losing on both counts. Smoking is still prevalent throughout the country (although we're being made to do it outside these days) and the NHS are slowly being forced to outsource to private healthcare companies as they cannot cope with the demand. So I don't know about you lot, but my "Brush Unininsured People Aside" is well paid up, as I give the NHS another 10 years at best As for the legality of purchasing GTC from the US, how does the law effect purchasing them with ISK? How about if I get my sister on the other side of the pond to buy and apply them to my account? -- Don't take the carebears out of empire - take the empire out of carebears!
Maestro Ulv Phaze-9	Posted - 2007.06.22 20:32:00 - [56] Regardless of VAT and all the rest,are my GF and I the only people playing this game from Europe that pay in USD? Always have done since I dunno, 2003 or so. I love the exchange rate :D I'm not bored, I'm merely in the Queue.
Dant Kramble	Posted - 2007.06.22 20:54:00 - [57] Reverse Marshall plan?
Aelisha Gallente Cybernetic Industries	Posted - 2007.06.23 13:42:00 - [58] I buy GTC in dollars and am paying less then alot of the europeans in my corp, despite being european myself, even with the added VAT. This is simply because of the conversion rates from Dollars to Sterling. You do not get as much of an effect if you are paying in Euros (due to Euros and Dollars being much closer by conversion then the 1.8/1.9 to 1 dollar to sterling rate). To an extent it also depends on the 'perceived worth' of your currency, IE thed price of local goods compared to foreign prices etc. Basically buying in Dollars from the Uk = Win until the rate changes. Aelisha New banner soon!
Audri Fisher Caldari VentureCorp Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.06.23 14:25:00 - [59] Originally by: Feezia Edited by: Feezia on 22/06/2007 10:59:48 Edited by: Feezia on 22/06/2007 10:57:08 Originally by: Kesh McCall Originally by: Marketcheck2 Its how you get all that 'free' health care "free" ??? I got substracted around 15 % of my brutto income for the "free" healthcare. I have to pay 10 bucks cash only to see a doctor and i have to pay for everything thats more then a basic reciept for some useless pill. Anyway to the OP .. its the VAT and its exactly 20 EUR because they don't adjust the exchange rate and 20 EUR is pretty much average. Cheers, Which is compared to the US healthcare system "free" for them. When they loose 2 fingers they have to choose which one they want back. The one for 12.000$ or the one for 65.000$. We still have socialized healthcare in germany and i'm happy only have to 150$ a month for my healthcare package without fearing the company would reject any demands when it's needed. We also dont need a creditcard at our hospital, we just go there when we are in need of a doctor. In the US they pay for healthcare without actually getting it. But thats kinda offtopic. You also dont pay 15%, you pay half - the other part pays the company you are employed at, and if you have no job the government pays. In the US noone pays if you dont have a job. BS, in the US the Govment picks up the bill if you don't have a job. I know way to many people who are on are on medicade/foodstamps and spend all day tanning.
Pherusa Plumosa Minmatar Corp die auf alles schiesst wo was sie Lust hat	Posted - 2007.06.23 15:36:00 - [60] Iceland is not part of the EU, it is only part of the EEA (European Economic Area). That means, you have to pay the VAT of Iceland, which is 25%. The Icelandic currency is not bound to the Euro directly. Originally by: ToranagaSama Originally by: Jian Gi tfts are cheaper in the uswhine A perfect example of how entrepreneurial incentive can be taxed away. Additionally, it's an example of the U.S. system vs. the E.U. system. You get what you pay for. E.U.: Free healthcare, and a host of other social perks. U.S.: No free healthcare, and a host of lessor or NO social perks. Translation: In the U.S. we have bigger homes (and Frigidaires!), as well as more Stuff than you in the E.U., we also work more and have less vacation----to pay for health, etc. In the E.U., you have smaller homes and less Stuff, better health, work less and have far more vacation time. Stop whining or make a choice and move to the U.S. Bigger homes and more stuff ... I loled so hard Bigger homes? lol... Bigger cars? That's true. I doubt anyone in Europe would drive those bold fuelwasting polluters. The taxes for your car and the fuel would eat your money and you wouldn't be allowed to drive in lots of big cities during the summer. I guess you even didn't hear about particulate filter and stuff. Bigger fridges? That's true. Smaller energy-saving ones ftw. However, I prefer fresh food over convenience foods, which is unhealthy, makes u fat and impotent. Bigger is not always better ;) Working more? I don't see the advantage. I don't need 2 jobs and a part-time job on weekend to cover my costs and I don't have to face unemployment or homelessness if I should ever get incapable of working. However, you guys should get your economy working again. The weak US Dollar is bad for our export trade

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