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Feezia	Posted - 2007.06.22 03:32:00 - [1] I was just wondering why the character transfer costs 20$ when you actually charge european customers with 20 EUR. Thats 27$ instead of 20$. I also stopped buying my gametime directly through CCP. Since it's 14 EUR instead of 14$ per month. When you actually buy a GTC from an US store you only have to pay 11$ per month.
Marodi Julita Sublime Captial Investments	Posted - 2007.06.22 03:47:00 - [2] or.... just get a credit card from the US... BAM! problem solved.
Rubra J. S. Bach In memoriam	Posted - 2007.06.22 03:59:00 - [3] VAT
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2007.06.22 04:00:00 - [4] Originally by: Rubra VAT correct _ New char creation guide \| Module/Rig stacknerfing explained
Verite Rendition Caldari AUS Corporation CORE.	Posted - 2007.06.22 04:03:00 - [5] 2 reasons: 1) VAT 2) Because you'll pay it. ---- AUS Corp Lead Megalomanic
MotoTsume Gallente Clan Black Scorpion	Posted - 2007.06.22 04:08:00 - [6] VAT is only England isn't it. other countries would have their own tax versions. It's just a game........Or is it?????
Nyphur Pillowsoft	Posted - 2007.06.22 04:09:00 - [7] Originally by: MotoTsume VAT is only England isn't it. other countries would have their own tax versions. VAT isn't england-only, it's a common tax concept that most european countries use. The actual rate varies from country to country. Eve-Tanking.com - For tanking spreadsheet and resources.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2007.06.22 04:16:00 - [8] It's an EU thing. Linkage _ New char creation guide \| Module/Rig stacknerfing explained
Feezia	Posted - 2007.06.22 04:17:00 - [9] Hrm that might be an answer, still odd on the creditcard bill is exactly 20 EUR instead of 20$. That VAT concept seems to fail if it's still possible to buy the same product without paying VAT - but thats not a complain :P
Marketcheck2	Posted - 2007.06.22 04:20:00 - [10] Its how you get all that 'free' health care
Korizan Oort Cloud Industries	Posted - 2007.06.22 04:24:00 - [11] Actually you are correct and at the same time very wrong. If you take $20 or 20 EUR and you will find they will buy the same items in each country. This is the whole reason behind exchange rates and currency values. The prices are set to be fair to all the players in EVE.
Nyphur Pillowsoft	Posted - 2007.06.22 04:25:00 - [12] Originally by: Feezia Hrm that might be an answer, still odd on the creditcard bill is exactly 20 EUR instead of 20$. That VAT concept seems to fail if it's still possible to buy the same product without paying VAT - but thats not a complain :P I recall reading an article about this which said that games companies are now being forced to declare VAT on subscriptions as well as the initial sales. Apparantly to not charge us VAT would be tax evasion on the part of the game company. Eve-Tanking.com - For tanking spreadsheet and resources.
Lilan Kahn Amarr The Littlest Hobos Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.06.22 04:28:00 - [13] thats why you buy game time cards in the us and use them when you live in europe Originally by: Eris Discordia We break after X amount of threads, then we go wild and then we get our medication.
Nnyarlathotep	Posted - 2007.06.22 04:28:00 - [14] Think of it this way. Had eve come out 10 years ago.. An American would be the one *****ing about how much they have to pay compared to Europeans.
Troxane	Posted - 2007.06.22 04:34:00 - [15] If it s vat in this case .Could someone explain me why u have to pay a fee for the first month when u buy directly on the Eve site but that fee suddenly disappear when u use a GTC..... Anf btw it isnt VAt it s more like currency conversion abuse.
Lehraen Rawr	Posted - 2007.06.22 04:37:00 - [16] Originally by: Troxane it s more like currency conversion abuse. People do it every day to make money. :)
Antari Shiy Amarr	Posted - 2007.06.22 04:47:00 - [17] It's all about the VAT and the wonderful European Union Directive that decided we have to pay VAT on subscriptions, CCP's hands are tied, they make the same out of you as they do from the american players but the EU decided they wanted a piece of the pie aswell. By buying GTC's from US sites you are evading the VAT payment, CCP still makes the same amount out of it. ------------------------ Blink and you're dead ------------------------ I like the new HUD, am I the only one ?
Rumari Antar Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2007.06.22 05:05:00 - [18] Edited by: Rumari Antar on 22/06/2007 05:07:03 VAT, schmat. It's the exchange rate. Edit: I see that it's already been pointed out.
Cedric Diggory	Posted - 2007.06.22 05:18:00 - [19] Edited by: Cedric Diggory on 22/06/2007 05:19:17 Quote: By buying GTC's from US sites you are evading the VAT payment, CCP still makes the same amount out of it. I recommended this to everyone in my corp: stop paying directly and buy GTCs from the US instead as with the current UKú-US$ conversion you save about ú2/month - not big money, but why throw it away? Unfortunately, I found out about it after I had already paid up for 12 months! As far as I'm aware this is merely converting currency, and is hence speculation: No tax evasion involved, but please correct me if I'm wrong.
Estel Arador Minmatar AFK	Posted - 2007.06.22 05:50:00 - [20] Originally by: Cedric Diggory As far as I'm aware this is merely converting currency, and is hence speculation: No tax evasion involved, but please correct me if I'm wrong. I'll correct you. If you buy something in another country, you still have to pay VAT. Plus you're doing with the purpose of evading the tax; how's it not tax evasion? =AFK=
Rumari Antar Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2007.06.22 05:52:00 - [21] Originally by: Cedric Diggory Edited by: Cedric Diggory on 22/06/2007 05:19:17 Quote: By buying GTC's from US sites you are evading the VAT payment, CCP still makes the same amount out of it. I recommended this to everyone in my corp: stop paying directly and buy GTCs from the US instead as with the current UKú-US$ conversion you save about ú2/month - not big money, but why throw it away? Unfortunately, I found out about it after I had already paid up for 12 months! As far as I'm aware this is merely converting currency, and is hence speculation: No tax evasion involved, but please correct me if I'm wrong. I have no idea about any tax implications, but I don't believe there are any. That said, I do believe that CCP's stated position on the issue is that you're supposed to use the currency that is more common in your country. (Out of the two choices of the USD or EUR.) I believe that CCP's stated intention is to verify this based on your account info. However, I don't know if it's actually enforced.
Phoenix Lord The Arrow Project Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.06.22 06:09:00 - [22] Quote: Europe Cost/month* Total cost* 1-month-plan Ç 14.95 Ç 14.95 3-month-plan Ç 12.95 Ç 38.85 6-month-plan Ç 11.95 Ç 71.70 12-month-plan Ç 10.95 Ç 131.40 * VAT included FAQ ftw >.> Arrow Capital Ship Sales
Pride NL Beyond Divinity Inc Blind Beavers	Posted - 2007.06.22 06:28:00 - [23] Actually using a creditcard makes it cheaper. I pay Ç11.25 when i use my credit card and Ç17.somethinghere when i use wired transfer. Arrive. Raise Hell. Leave.
Juwi Kotch Gallente VIRTUAL LIFE VANGUARD Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.22 06:54:00 - [24] Edited by: Juwi Kotch on 22/06/2007 06:53:33 Actually, it is the responsibility of each individual to pay the taxes according to local law. So buying GTCs in the US obliges you to report this buy to your local tax and/or customs authority and to pay customs, import taxes, and VAT. Not to do that is a punishable act of tax evation and can get you into serious trouble. You can get into even more serious trouble, if you entice or organize such activity to a larger group of people. That's the theory. In praxi, hardly anybody cares. But the international fiscal community is waking up, and I wouldn't bet that it will be that easy to evade national taxes buy using internet procurement channels that easily in 10 years... Juwi Kotch JOIN NOW, KLICK SIG!
Jian Gi Caldari Generals Of Destruction Syndicate Terror In The System	Posted - 2007.06.22 08:12:00 - [25] Actually a little of topic but still relevant. I started looking around to buy a dell 2407 monitor in greece. It's list price is about 850 euros. Including VAT (19% i think) it goes up to 1000 Euro's That in dollars is about 1300, while on the US shop the same monitor goes for .... $650 !!!! No you can call me strange but I somehow find it ridiculus to pay double price for the same thing VAT or not VAT P.S. Strangely enough all european dell stores list the exact same price for the monitor. I checked france, italy, germany. All the same
Banana Torres The Green Banana Corporation	Posted - 2007.06.22 08:33:00 - [26] Originally by: Akita T Originally by: Rubra VAT correct Incorret, 'twas the VAT then every county in the EU would have a different price. Its cause when the prices were fixed the Euro and the Dollar were worth about the same so the price was the same. But due to the mad management of the US economy the once mighty dollar is now worth a lot less. The dollar price should have gone up to compensate (or the Euro gone down) but the US consumer is the most whiney there is so it would have been a bad day on the forums if the dollar price went up. Atm, you have two choice if you want to pay less, use GTCs or pay using your partner's yankee credit card. I opted for the latter.
Cedric Diggory	Posted - 2007.06.22 08:38:00 - [27] Quote: So buying GTCs in the US obliges you to report this buy to your local tax and/or customs authority and to pay customs, import taxes, and VAT. Fair enough. Does this also apply to purchasing GTC with ISK? What about someone in the UK purchasing a GTC from the US with the sole intention of selling it for ISK? It's a can of worms anyway, that's for sure.
Lysit Kaune Minmatar Phoenix Division FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2007.06.22 08:41:00 - [28] Originally by: Akita T Originally by: Rubra VAT correct False VAT on 20 EU (in uk) is just less then 4 EU, theres this other 3 coming from? Its likely less in other european countries too due to UKs beefy 17.5% VAT.
Trak Cranker Serenity Inc	Posted - 2007.06.22 09:11:00 - [29] Originally by: Banana Torres Originally by: Akita T Originally by: Rubra VAT correct Incorret, 'twas the VAT then every county in the EU would have a different price. AFAIK CCP would be charging the Iceland VAT, and then its your job to seek compensation with/report to your local authorities for the difference.
Deacon Ix Ascendant Strategies Inc. The Volition Cult	Posted - 2007.06.22 09:53:00 - [30] Originally by: Lilan Kahn thats why you buy game time cards in the us and use them when you live in europe /signed Shattered Crystal The person who said 'violence never solves anything' has obviously never thrown a Rubix cube at a wall

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