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Drizit
Amarr
Lonely out here
Black Sun Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.24 20:19:00 -
[31]
 Originally by: Illyria Ambri
Originally by: Drizit
A little underpowered? That's a little underestimated. Comparing Amarr to the other 3 races is similar to saying you could stand a chance of winning the Dakar Rally if you go to your local car dealer and buy a standard family saloon to compete with and then race it unmodified.
Underestimated should be understated
I dunno about you euros.. But over here.. we buy sedans from a car dealership. Not many automakers here sell saloons fully stocked with alchy, bar, stools and a dart board.
But over here, car dealers sell Estate Cars and station wagons are unused train carriages. 
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Wizard
Without Reason
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Posted - 2007.06.24 20:25:00 -
[32]
Originally by: Chereadenine Zakalwe
Originally by: Mari Onette
.They are slow, unwieldy and tend to lack long term sticking power.
/pew pew!
4.4 mil in amarr gunnery..i cant be bothered training large turret again
I know how you feel.
I got 15mill in gunnery on just ammarr guns and i was slowly breaking a duel repping dommy earlier played by a 6 month old character.
He did tell me after that it was his npcing fitout with over 80% resist to em and thermal though.
The tracking bonus to pulses is gd tbh but i really want to see the cap reqs. of all amarr guns cut by a 3rd or even half, its just rediculous in the current game enviroment.
Without Reason corp website
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.06.24 20:30:00 -
[33]
Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 24/06/2007 20:28:57
Like i've said before, Amarr isn't about ruling the galaxy, it isn't about having the best pewpew, it's not even about being able to make a dent in a lower class ship of another race...it's about flying Amarr! And dying proudly! 
From an roleplay aspect by the way, amarr used to be great, first in space, all shiny ships... but now all our race does is sit in a freakin senate, discuss things like "Oh should our emperor wear blue or red" and use ships that were build somewhere in the last millenia and only a few good pod pilots remain. And the numbers are dying 
But proudly!
So yeah, i have a problem with being serious, but it's the almost smallest problem i have. |
Tao Han
Caldari
Perkone
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Posted - 2007.06.24 20:55:00 -
[34]
Originally by: Sherrif Jones
but now all our race does is sit in a freakin senate, discuss things like "Oh should our emperor wear blue or red"
Last I checked you guys didnt even have an emperor
That could be one problem...
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DoctorBautz
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Posted - 2007.06.24 21:12:00 -
[35]
i got a solution:
nerv the max zoom out distance so we can die in chrome and not as a little icon on the screen!
like:
amarr ship bonus: you can only get shot when the enemy is able to see you bling bling.
/irony off
to the op:
i can rly understand your point i fly amarr only and i regret it. all amarr players know it takes time to balance it right ( to prevent nerfage to oblivion again ) but when the devs announce a buff to amarr they should do it (the suggestions in the comments to the devblog got totally ignored). some smart guy said in an other thread "one side whines - the other side is sayin: stop posting whiners" ( amarr - all non amarr players)
but the amarr players arent askin to be the uber race they just have problems.
by drivin through the forums i have seen much high sp amarr characters and experienced guys who adressed some issues ( even non amarr players posted suggestions on how to boost amarr )
just a little note from time to time from a dev just responding to a good sugestion would help us ( like we cannot do that cause it will cause.....)
i think all of the guys were just to busy doin the rev2 and are now busy fixing the buggs. maybee when they finished the mayor probs we will finally see our issues adressed.
regards my alt
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Kagura Nikon
Minmatar
Guardians of the Dawn
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.06.24 21:17:00 -
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I beg to differ. So me ammar players, a lot in fact ask for ridiculows things, like cutign half cap usage of gun s AND at asme time changign the cap bonus in a 5% damage bonus. That would be ridiculowsly overpowered!
And why in hell people still complain about not being able to solo pvp? I didn't saw a SINGLER solo pvp in last 5 months!
If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough |
Ihmurria
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.06.24 21:33:00 -
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most of us Amarr just want the dev's to follow through on the promises to give us a few tiny boosts... but not much seems to be done as far as I can tell. I don't mind that running Amarr takes a little thinking and paying attention to what you're doing, but unfulfilled promises are rather irksome
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Na'Kunni
Amarr
Null Horizon
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Posted - 2007.06.24 21:56:00 -
[38]
Originally by: Kagura Nikon
I beg to differ. So me ammar players, a lot in fact ask for ridiculows things, like cutign half cap usage of gun s AND at asme time changign the cap bonus in a 5% damage bonus. That would be ridiculowsly overpowered!
And why in hell people still complain about not being able to solo pvp? I didn't saw a SINGLER solo pvp in last 5 months!
Well you obviously aint come across me, I'm Amarr and I solo to the best of my abilities, but it's pathetic, you HAVE to CHOOSE your TARGETS WISELY. Otherwise you get wtfpwn'd. Any other race can jus jump in an stand a good chance (yes I kno i've had a character from each race in my time)
At the moment im flying my Harbinger & i'm loving every minute of it. Yes I get pwn'd by most of the other races BC's. But anything under like Cruisers/Some HAC'S/and below. Die a horrible death.
I'm still for a boost although, i have noticed the lil increase in my turret tracking
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Cosmo Raata
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.24 22:28:00 -
[39]
--signed
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Haleuth
Amarr
EndlessCycle
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Posted - 2007.06.24 23:32:00 -
[40]
/agree with op
I have read so many posts from eve players on this issue, most offering good ideas/fixes yet i can honestly not remember anyone ever suggesting a bonus to pulse laser tracking only.
Whoever came up with that as an amarr "fix" hasn't got a clue as to what the problems actually are imo 
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hylleX
Spontaneous Defenestration
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Posted - 2007.06.25 00:05:00 -
[41]
This list is probably pretty accurate regarding what CCP
wants to prioritize
1. New stuff, which no one asked for
2. More new stuff
3. Fix bugs that come with new stuff
4. Implement more new stuff
5. Read #3
6. Fix old bugs
7. Amarr who?
Although im not sure they ever make it past step 5.
/whine off
Shall we make this brake 100 pages too? We need a new amarr thread cuz we aint happy yet!
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Scott Ryder
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Posted - 2007.06.25 00:07:00 -
[42]
:o
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Tortun Nahme
Minmatar
Heimatar Services Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.06.25 00:10:00 -
[43]
quit using slaves to build your stuff and maybe it wont suck so bad
CCP HATES AMARR! BUFF MINMATAR!
Real turtles tank armor.
Real men fly Pink.
Nerfageddon!
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.25 00:16:00 -
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It is really irritating not to have any dev info. Means we have to resort to guess work.
My current guess work (and thats all it is) is that CCP are being sensibly cautious and deciding to implement all the plentiful Amarr buffs they have planned little bit at a time, so as to more properly monitor the results of each buff (which is very smart developing). If they said that, I'd be a placated chappy.
The other option is that these tiny buffs really are the full extent of Amarr's fixes, and CCP don't want to say it in fear of a Fanfest lynching.
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insidion
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Posted - 2007.06.25 00:26:00 -
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I don't mind amarr ships, I think that they have their place. But what would it take to make amarr pilots happy? And with regards to the original post, what was this dev blog that made all these promises? I ask because I'm curious about this whole amarr issue and want to know more about it.
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Exodos
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Posted - 2007.06.25 00:51:00 -
[46]
Yes, can anyone please post the promise letter from the devs? I put my Apoc on display at the local shop in the window so people can see how lovely the Chrome looks. But now the guns are all dusty . I have been flying my Raven and pew pew NPCing until something is done to help us.
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Arvald
Caldari
The Last Prophecy
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Posted - 2007.06.25 00:55:00 -
[47]
Originally by: Setana Manoro
Because it's oh so much easier to make content for the 90% of players that fly caldari ?
Bloody pathetic tbh. :(
i say every caldari makes an ammar alt and trains them up realy high so that they will come here and whine about how their ammar char with who they put so much time into sill sucks =D ILL GO FIRST!!
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Messerschmitt facility
Amarr
Shinra
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Posted - 2007.06.25 01:03:00 -
[48]
/sign
Amarr really need some love
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A conclusion is the place where you got tired of thinking...
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Isyel
Minmatar
Queens of the Stone Age
Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.06.25 01:36:00 -
[49]
Just wipe amarr of the face of eve, who needs 'em.
Just leave my curse be.
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Originally by: Wrangler
We don't want to discriminate anyone! We want *both* anti-social *and* social players to grief each other!
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Mastin Dragonfly
Ministry of War
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Posted - 2007.06.25 08:03:00 -
[50]
Originally by: insidion
I don't mind amarr ships, I think that they have their place. But what would it take to make amarr pilots happy? And with regards to the original post, what was this dev blog that made all these promises? I ask because I'm curious about this whole amarr issue and want to know more about it.
Devblog from February:
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What about the Amarr?!?!
Well I guess I did promise. For me there are number of problems that plague Amarr. The biggest one in my opinion is the popularity of so called omni tank. That is tanks that just boost the tank equally over all the resistances. On smaller ships that can be explained by the ease at which people are fitting oversized plates. On bigger ships it has to do with viability of plates but also people are often choosing EANM over active hardeners.
Comparing EANM with active hardener isn't really straight forward process. You might be tempted just compare the average resistance, or that is the average damage that leaks through. That's fine if it's what you want to do but given that only two types of turrets do EM damage and projectile do little of it, then I'd take a high kinetic and thermal resistance instead of high EM resistance any day. The reason I don't always fit an active hardener is simply because they use up too much cpu. Tech 2 activatable armor hardeners uses 14tf more than energized one and that amounts to a lot of cpu need. In a pinch we might consider fiddling with base resistances, that is increase EM resistance a bit on shield and lower it on armor but that's something we really shouldn't do unless we have to.
Amarr needs oomph. TomB and I have been talking about giving them oomph. What is oomph? I don't know but I sure like typing it. The Amarr were supposed to be the capacitor race, today that can be best characterized by the fact that they need most of it. It seems blatantly obvious that they should get bonus to capacitor warfare. Of course that is totally dependant on how we're "overhauling" nosferatus.
People say that beams are too hard to fit and in general, I agree. Then why haven't we done anything? Well it can be really time consuming and frankly there is always something "bigger" we need to think about. We haven't forgotten about this however.
Khanid MK2. I don't think I need to explain what it is, in general we liked the idea and I don't think it's at all unlikely that we will actually go through with it.
General ship loving. There are some ships that need help and we're gonna give it to them. Which ships you might ask? Well, Armageddon might need some fitting help, the cruisers aren't really that great and Apocalypse might get a bit of a role twist.
When is this going to happen
Don't expect this all in a single patch, there isn't gonna be a general "AMARR BOOST" patch and of course we're going to be careful not to overdo it. This is all something we have planned, if you want some order on this then we'll probably work on omni tanks/EM damage problem first and then look into some of the others.
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.06.25 08:42:00 -
[51]
Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 25/06/2007 08:41:31
I hate that amarr is supposed to be some sort of capacitor warfare race...
It's a freakin race with freakin laserbeams on it's hull! Not some sucky, drainy, "oh i'm so evil with my nosferatu" race...
If you fly Amarr and complain, change your preferred shiptype.
And if you fly Amarr and fit projectiles, you better be killing some caldari rats or something.
If you fly Amarr, you don't complain, you don't whine, you fly Amarr and love every minute of it!
Last Rev thingy gave us an oompf. Next one probably will give mroe oompf. Show shut up, take your geddon out for a spin and shoot someone. 'cause it's always atleast twice as rewarding to kill someone with a "gimped" race(which we're not!) then it is with a flavor of the month ship.
So yeah, i have a problem with being serious, but it's the almost smallest problem i have. |
Drizit
Amarr
Lonely out here
Black Sun Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.27 18:20:00 -
[52]
ATM the only good Amarr ships are tankers. That's about the extent of what they can do well. No amount of highslots can increase the damage sufficiently to make a dent in another ships tank unless it's a noob they are shooting at.
The primary problem lies in the EM/thermal limitation of lasers and the fact that these two resists are commonly the highest for any ships armor as standard. With very little effort, anyone can get their armor resists for these two types well above the 90% mark. Amarr vs an armor tanked ship = give up cos you'll never break its tank hitting for 10's and 20's each time.
Even having a 25% damage bonus from a lvl5 skill isn't much on a 5x modifier. Wow, it's now 6.25 but against a 90% resist, it equates to just a mere 2 or 3 more HP per volley. They can still tank it easily and just laugh at you for wasting all that time training the skill.
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Ihmurria
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.06.27 18:44:00 -
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What would make me happy? Specialized ammo, new crystals. Ie if we have a crystal that currently does 10 EM damage, why not intro a variation of that crystal that does 7 EM and 3 Kinetic? At least then we can vary our ammo vs the rat or pirate we're facing a little bit. Perhaps a few minor tweaks to other skills making our incredible need for cap a little less overwhelming (I mean, having to use 3 modules/rigs in tandem to maintain your cap is a little silly, particularly when 2 of those 3 are tech2)
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Caios
Caldari
Unified Refining Federation
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.06.27 19:11:00 -
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When the nos nerf comes it might address some of the cap issues.
The EANM nerf was kind of in line with what people were talking about, since the typical complaint was something to the effect of "our lasers suck cuz they can't beat omni-tanks"
so while we focused on the "our lasers suck" part, CCP fixated on the "can't beat omni-tanks," and hilarity ensues.
all the while explosive crystals could have solved the problem in an instant.
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Kowaii Hitori
Old Warriors
Pax Familia
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Posted - 2007.06.28 16:21:00 -
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I fly amarr, that's all I will ever want to really fly, other than maybe a Nightmare or somethin. Raise your Adv. Wep Upgrades to 5, and then quit complaining. The Geddon is intended for pulse and up close and personal fighting, Apoc for either pulse or mega beams. Abaddon, ANY of them. It's all even, shutup.
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Derek
Caldari
Umbra Congregatio
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.06.28 16:56:00 -
[56]
I say the amarr need a boost, so it will be done!
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Derovius Vaden
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Posted - 2007.06.28 16:57:00 -
[57]
There is nothing wrong with Amarr goddamn it, some of the best ships in the game are Amarr. Gankgeddon is not a figment of everyones imagination.
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Arachidamia
Matari People's Front
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Posted - 2007.06.28 17:02:00 -
[58]
Originally by: Nyphur
Originally by: Azker Khamarr
Really? How many other races get hoods made of GLASS 
I'm Gallente. We invented clothes made of glass.
Your glass clothes mean nothing compared to the power of sunglasses and eyeliner.
But seriously.. I think introducing a small amount of kin/exp into some crystals would help amarr a lot.
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Derovius Vaden
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Posted - 2007.06.28 17:10:00 -
[59]
Originally by: Arachidamia
Originally by: Nyphur
Originally by: Azker Khamarr
Really? How many other races get hoods made of GLASS
I'm Gallente. We invented clothes made of glass.
Your glass clothes mean nothing compared to the power of sunglasses and eyeliner.
But seriously.. I think introducing a small amount of kin/exp into some crystals would help amarr a lot.
Minmatar are emo, and its embarassing at times.
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Tortun Nahme
Minmatar
Heimatar Services Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.06.28 17:17:00 -
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the only emo minmatar are the seibestors, us brutor are badass
Real turtles tank armor.
Real men fly Pink.
Nerfageddon!
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