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Ginlol
Eve University
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Posted - 2007.06.22 17:53:00 -
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Im having a discussion with someone on another forum based around the concept that new players / low skill point players can still provide value in large scale pvp.
Please post with any experiences you or friends have had in large scale pvp on low SP characters.
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Hellaciouss
Genco
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.06.22 18:10:00 -
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You can't really do much as a low skill pilot. You can't really survive in 0.0 because you won't have the income. Unless your Corp is going to sponsor you fully with t1 frigs and cruisers and all the mods until you can train up for a BC that can tank the spawns in 0.0 or a BS (which they will have to supply you with for the first time), you're not much use other then a disposable tackler.
You'll be spending most of your newbie time running missions for faction so you can run levels 2's and then level 3's, which gets pretty boring. PvP as a low skill point pilot (who is a true newbie) is...well..pathetic...as most of the time you won't be running into people with your level of skill points in low sec. You might get lucky and find a lone miner, but most of low sec is a ghost town or heavily populated with pirates who are well above you in skill points.
A lot of "vets" will say there is only a maxium amount of SP that will help when flying a frigate, but that maximum SP is still in the millions so it's a pretty pathetic argument to make.
Being a newbie/low sp pilot in Eve isn't very fun at all, or atleast it wasn't for me.
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Ginlol
Eve University
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Posted - 2007.06.22 18:13:00 -
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when i say "low SP" i mean 2-5 million. also assume the person is involved in an active pvp corp and not trying to rat 0.0 alone.
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Hellaciouss
Genco
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.06.22 18:20:00 -
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 Originally by: Ginlol
when i say "low SP" i mean 2-5 million. also assume the person is involved in an active pvp corp and not trying to rat 0.0 alone.
Well at 5 mill SP you can fly a BS well enough to tank 0.0 spawns, and also fly a ceptor decently well.
So basically a disposable tackler that can make isk to replace his own loses =P
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Billy Sastard
Amarr
Life. Universe. Everything.
Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.22 18:25:00 -
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Low SP PvP experience is usually relegated to flying tackling frigates. This can be VERY fun, and helps one learn the basics of PvP, in addition to learning how to cope with ship/pod loss (as it happens ALOT to tacklers). People saying that low SP players cannot get in on PvP are wrong. After just a few days of training a brand new character can fly a tackler and help in PvP.
-=^=-
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JohnMonty
Gallente
Fatalix Inc.
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Posted - 2007.06.22 18:25:00 -
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Originally by: Ginlol
Im having a discussion with someone on another forum based around the concept that new players / low skill point players can still provide value in large scale pvp.
Please post with any experiences you or friends have had in large scale pvp on low SP characters.
They can be the ones flying the tacklers. They are always handy
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Comrade ChipMo
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Posted - 2007.06.22 18:43:00 -
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For low-sec piracy, virtually anyone can tackle in a frigate. Can be great fun too
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Destr0math
Tritanium Workers Union
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Posted - 2007.06.22 18:59:00 -
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see also: GoonFleet
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Sonos SAGD
Black Eclipse Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.22 19:01:00 -
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Go do a EVE university class. or if you really want to be interesting do it with thier minnium skills reqs
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Ryas Nia
Minmatar
Stormriders
Fimbulwinter
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Posted - 2007.06.22 19:05:00 -
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dont forget that there are several very good EW frigates and cruisers that can be very effective in gang with low skill points.
Recruiting Terrorists |
Savage Manticore
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Posted - 2007.06.22 19:10:00 -
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I recently took the Agony PvP Basic class and it was definitely an eye-opening experience. You fly out into 0.0 in a group of 30 or so T1 frigs and lay down some real PWNage. The minimum skill requirements for the class are very low, and the effect of a noob frigate fleet under the command of well-organized and knowledgeable leadership was astounding. A highly recommended class for any PvP noob.
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Toria Nynys
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.06.22 19:24:00 -
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I agree, frig blobs are fun and exciting. You need some older pilots in covops to provide intel and someone in a dictor to **** out the bubbles, but it's amazing how effective an organized blob of frigates (destroyers count as frigates) can be. And the cost to do that is NOTHING. Your frigate (dirt cheap), 2 implants for the duration of your long skillup, and the very cheap low SP clones. You could do this funded by courier missions being run on an untrained empire alt. The loot you get ganking people should more than pay for covops & dictors for your older pilots.
The downside is you do need several tens of said newbies. Probably won't work so good with only 2-5.
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Christari Zuborov
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Posted - 2007.06.22 19:49:00 -
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I came to 0.0 with less than 5MM SP, 40% of that was invested in industry, mining, and science. I've flown 2 level 2 missions, so my schooling was the school of hard knocks. I'm always broke, I'm still broke, but people need to know that there's no way to make money solo outside of trading and mission running in empire, and you won't become rich; not to mention that both of those options teach you nothing about surviving in 0.0 space.
The only thing I can say is that if you're low SP and in 0.0, you need to be in a corp that shares.
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Ginlol
Eve University
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Posted - 2007.06.22 20:16:00 -
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Thanks for the replies. Keep them coming.
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Futility 101
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Posted - 2007.06.22 20:18:00 -
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Whatever, I have just clicked over 3M SP, and have over 30 kills to my name (only two being newb ships), you just have to be smart. Low SP pilots must fly smarter than other pilots. Anyone who says otherwise is just not smarter than their opponent.
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Christari Zuborov
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Posted - 2007.06.22 20:37:00 -
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Originally by: Futility 101
Whatever, I have just clicked over 3M SP, and have over 30 kills to my name (only two being newb ships), you just have to be smart. Low SP pilots must fly smarter than other pilots. Anyone who says otherwise is just not smarter than their opponent.
I think I've got 2 kills, where I actually got the kill mail. It wasn't until recently where I've started investing in PvP skills after living in 0.0 for months.
I had a blast last night flying the Rifter for the first time, that ship is a mean mofo!
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Berand
Shadow Of The Light
R i s e
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Posted - 2007.06.22 20:47:00 -
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It has more or less been said, but to summarize:
You can PvP from practically day one. You need three things:
1. A willingness to get blown up and the ability to handle setbacks
2. A reasonably stable income source that can pay for your level of ships and skillbooks
3. A corp that is willing to help a new player learn the ropes
It's really as simple as that, and not hard at all to achieve.
Berand
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Richard Aiel
Caldari
The Funkstars Guild
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Posted - 2007.06.23 09:54:00 -
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Originally by: Billy Sastard
Low SP PvP experience is usually relegated to flying tackling frigates. This can be VERY fun, and helps one learn the basics of PvP, in addition to learning how to cope with ship/pod loss (as it happens ALOT to tacklers). People saying that low SP players cannot get in on PvP are wrong. After just a few days of training a brand new character can fly a tackler and help in PvP.
Important part...
"The environment plays a big part but EVE is a "PvP" game." Oveur (Its not a MMORPG after all - I sent Oveur a email to update the main page) |
techzer0
IDLE GUNS
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Posted - 2007.06.23 10:38:00 -
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Linkage must watch video... one of my favorites, heh
Also know a player who at less than a week old was flipping cans and picking fights with anyone in sight... the funniest part was that he was losing less ships than he killed :)
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amarrly
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Posted - 2007.06.23 12:10:00 -
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I always found experience out weighs SP, i've met many "vets" that still die to stupid mistakes and many "noobs" that survive through cunning and speed of decision making, but then again it's normally the other way round ,  point is some peeps have got it some aint
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Scatim Helicon
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.23 12:26:00 -
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FYI, the MRCHI player that decloaked Shrike in 46dp yesterday morning was in a T1 frigate and has been playing for less than 6 months.
If you define 'value' in terms of DPS, then obviously new players are going to struggle to make a difference, but a day old player can tackle a Dread, scout for a fleet, report intel on enemy movements, and all sorts of other tasks that are vital for the survival of an alliance.
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Di Jiensai
Gallente
Domination.
KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.23 13:31:00 -
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little story here, i was 3 month old at the time.
story of the domi and the brutix
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Krysta Gemme
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Posted - 2007.06.23 14:04:00 -
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These Agony classes? Where can I apply?
I fly a Punisher, got around 3 million sp. Can fly a Harbinger, which I don't like risking much till I get T2.
Am about 2 weeks away from flying Assault Frigates and Interceptors. :)
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Malcanis
High4Life
Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.23 14:10:00 -
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Originally by: Ginlol
Im having a discussion with someone on another forum based around the concept that new players / low skill point players can still provide value in large scale pvp.
Please post with any experiences you or friends have had in large scale pvp on low SP characters.
As far as my corp is concerned, the right attitude is far more important than the number of skill points. I encourage new members to come to join us in 0.0 around their 3rd or 4th week.
If you're self reliant and willing to learn - I see you're in EVE University! - then I'd welcome your application.
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Lesican
Minmatar
Black Lance
NBSI Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.23 14:14:00 -
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Make a new charcter following these instructions, get 10-15 corpmates to do the same, do it on an alt and have a damn fun cheap pvp weekend....
Race: Gallente
Bloodline: Intaki
Attributes: Intelligence +3 / Memory +2
Ancestry: Artists
Career: Military
Specialization: Special Forces
Buy these skills:
Instant Recall
Analytical Mind
Science
Hull Upgrades
Energy Emission Systems
Gallente Cruiser
Propulsion Jamming
Train the learning skills first:
Instant Recall I (16 minutes, 54 seconds)
Analytical Mind I (15 minutes, 48 seconds)
Analytical Mind II (1 hour, 11 minutes, 23 seconds)
Train the rest in whatever order you prefer. ItĘs recommended you train Hull Upgrades to II as soon as possible in order to get access to Hull Upgrades III which takes 11 hours and is perfect to train overnight:
Science I (13 minutes, 36 seconds)
Hull Upgrades I (27 minutes, 13 seconds)
Science II (1 hour, 3 minutes, 27 seconds)
Energy Emission Systems I (27 minutes, 13 seconds)
Navigation II (1 hour, 9 minutes, 13 seconds)
Gallente Cruiser I (1 hour, 42 minutes, 7 seconds)
Hull Upgrades II (2 hours, 6 minutes, 51 seconds)
Electronics III (5 hours, 58 minutes, 39 seconds)
Propulsion Jamming I (40 minutes, 50 seconds)
* Gallente Cruiser II (7 hours, 55 minutes, 39 seconds)
* Hull Upgrades III (11 hours, 57 minutes, 22 seconds)
Total time: 1 day, 11 hours, 26 minutes, 22 seconds
7. Buy and fit this equipment:
Vexor cruiser
5x Small Nosferatu I
10MN Afterburner
Stasis Webifier I
Warp Scrambler I or Warp Disruptor I
Medium Armor Repairer I
Energized Reactive Membrane I
1600MM Reinforced Steel Plates I
7x Medium Drones (various damage type)
Damage Control I (you should have a free one when you start)
There you go, no skill points but a deadly Nos/drone fleet that is replaceable by insurance and damn good fun...
Skill points help, but not as much as using your brain
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Larg Kellein
Caldari
GTE Corp
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Posted - 2007.06.23 15:05:00 -
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Originally by: Krysta Gemme
These Agony classes? Where can I apply?
I fly a Punisher, got around 3 million sp. Can fly a Harbinger, which I don't like risking much till I get T2.
Am about 2 weeks away from flying Assault Frigates and Interceptors. :)
Right here. Basic is a lot of fun, and all you need is the class fee and a couple of t1 fitted frigs.
Originally by: Roy Batty68
My software has wronged me!!! And it's immediately "sorry". Well, ok then. I suppose I'm not so upset at my software if it appologizes.
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Richard Aiel
Caldari
The Funkstars Guild
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Posted - 2007.06.23 15:41:00 -
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The only pvp experience ive had at low skill lvl involved me getting jumped by 5 guys in t2 ships
really fair and really fun....
Got ewarred so that I couldnt do ANYTHING webbed and all, and they let the belt rats kill me :p
Now im a mission runner
"The environment plays a big part but EVE is a "PvP" game." Oveur (Its not a MMORPG after all - I sent Oveur a email to update the main page) |
MOS DEF
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.06.23 15:51:00 -
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Originally by: Christari Zuborov
I came to 0.0 with less than 5MM SP, 40% of that was invested in industry, mining, and science. I've flown 2 level 2 missions, so my schooling was the school of hard knocks. I'm always broke, I'm still broke, but people need to know that there's no way to make money solo outside of trading and mission running in empire, and you won't become rich; not to mention that both of those options teach you nothing about surviving in 0.0 space.
The only thing I can say is that if you're low SP and in 0.0, you need to be in a corp that shares.
You can run level 2 pirate missions in 0.0 with a trial account in a caracal and earn good isk.
Problem is that a new player does not know the ways of avoiding to get ganked but it is definatly doable.
For a new player finding a nice corp that shows you how to do stuff is the most important thing. From then on 0.0 is not a scary thing. It`s actually safer then low sec most of the time.
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Cipher7
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2007.06.23 16:34:00 -
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You can easily be a productive part of a blob on 2-3 mil SP.
You can easily live and rat in lowsec within a week.
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Elmicker
The Phoenix Rising
Vigilance Infinitas
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Posted - 2007.06.23 16:36:00 -
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Originally by: Larg Kellein
Originally by: Krysta Gemme
These Agony classes? Where can I apply?
I fly a Punisher, got around 3 million sp. Can fly a Harbinger, which I don't like risking much till I get T2.
Am about 2 weeks away from flying Assault Frigates and Interceptors. :)
Right here. Basic is a lot of fun, and all you need is the class fee and a couple of t1 fitted frigs.
Be warned, agony classes usually end up with the entire gang getting smartbombed.
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