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Kaian Voskhod	Posted - 2007.06.23 00:49:00 - [1] Edited by: Kaian Voskhod on 23/06/2007 00:48:10 Put some tracking on NOS Then heavy nos won't be able to suck up assault ships (for example) capacitor in a row.
Kaian Voskhod	Posted - 2007.06.23 00:49:00 - [2] Edited by: Kaian Voskhod on 23/06/2007 00:48:10 Put some tracking on NOS Then heavy nos won't be able to suck up assault ships (for example) capacitor in a row.
Militis Kolosok Caldari Praetorian BlackGuard	Posted - 2007.06.23 00:53:00 - [3] Edited by: Militis Kolosok on 23/06/2007 00:53:14 That may be a good idea up until the point where interceptors and other fast ships would be overpowered... cruise at a high speed within nos range but outside weber range and nothing can hurt them. Praetorian BlackGuard Now Recruiting!
Militis Kolosok Caldari Praetorian BlackGuard	Posted - 2007.06.23 00:53:00 - [4] Edited by: Militis Kolosok on 23/06/2007 00:53:14 That may be a good idea up until the point where interceptors and other fast ships would be overpowered... cruise at a high speed within nos range but outside weber range and nothing can hurt them. Praetorian BlackGuard Now Recruiting!
Alski Gallente Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.23 00:59:00 - [5] i say make it all 20km range (25 for T2) and give it all a stacking panalty, but give mediums and smalls a progressiveley lesser penalty and give small nos a little boost in energy amount, that way it'll be less of a iwin vs. small ships but still powerfull. Whatever happens the domi should get a bonus for it. - (combat) Patch belonging to CCP hits your drones, wrecking their liberty and freedom.
Alski Gallente Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.23 00:59:00 - [6] i say make it all 20km range (25 for T2) and give it all a stacking panalty, but give mediums and smalls a progressiveley lesser penalty and give small nos a little boost in energy amount, that way it'll be less of a iwin vs. small ships but still powerfull. Whatever happens the domi should get a bonus for it. - (combat) Patch belonging to CCP hits your drones, wrecking their liberty and freedom.
Murtala	Posted - 2007.06.23 01:00:00 - [7] Please stop this nerf talk. If someone takes your cap, fit nos and take it back. Also fit cap boosters, but leave nos alone please.
Xtro 2 Caldari Pre-nerfed Tactics	Posted - 2007.06.23 01:01:00 - [8] there have been enough boosts to small ships so larger ships cannot touch them, the only remaining usefull tool vs smaller ships should not be nerfed just so a few whiners can solo larger ships with more ease than usual. Xtro 2 - Tactically Insane Tradesman. Insanity, or madness, is a semi-permanent, severe mental disorder.
Sorum Daemoth	Posted - 2007.06.23 01:13:00 - [9] Nos has been made to be what it is, if you get a little mad and wanna complain because somebody with a competant mind says "hey! those damn inty's are bugging the hell out of me, i know, ill nos them" and ends up blowing you up and since the game has turned in somebody else's favor, you come on here and try to ***** about how it should be nerfed because you wanna always have the edge, well eve does not work like that, adapt dammit, make a strategy, beat the nos, dont get CCP to do it for you, use your damn brain, and if you are going to complain. DON'T DO IT HERE, you are distrupting MY thoughts and wasting my time, GOT IT! Stop with all the nerf talk, CCP will do what they believe should be done. the only thing that should be nerfed are what you can talk about on the forums.
Alski Gallente Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.23 01:18:00 - [10] Originally by: Murtala Please stop this nerf talk. If someone takes your cap, fit nos and take it back. Also fit cap boosters, but leave nos alone please. True, tbh Nos really doesent bother me, everyone fits it, everyone uses cap boosters, sometimes you lose to it, sometimes you win with it. Thing is though you, me and everyone else knows it is going to be nurfed at some point, its just a question of how. I'd prefere it if it was "nurfed" in such a way as to make it more ballanced, not useless, case in point: ECM on anything that doesent get bonues for it. - (combat) Patch belonging to CCP hits your drones, wrecking their liberty and freedom.
Noite	Posted - 2007.06.23 03:00:00 - [11] Make Nos Amarr only. They're the cap race, other races can use neutralizers, and it addresses the 2 biggest whines, nerf nos and boost Amarr. My 2 isk.
Arron S Gallente Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.06.23 03:02:00 - [12] Edited by: Arron S on 23/06/2007 03:01:28 I think Rayne needs to be fed, go walk in an allay way at night time please. Or else she will steal my blood again.
Kaian Voskhod	Posted - 2007.06.23 19:53:00 - [13] Edited by: Kaian Voskhod on 23/06/2007 19:55:54 Edited by: Kaian Voskhod on 23/06/2007 19:55:42 Originally by: Militis Kolosok Edited by: Militis Kolosok on 23/06/2007 00:53:14 That may be a good idea up until the point where interceptors and other fast ships would be overpowered... cruise at a high speed within nos range but outside weber range and nothing can hurt them. Nope there is a thing that can hurt Interceptors: other interceptors! (+ drones and some other stuff) And well, that not for my self benefit: all "i win" buttons are gameplay waster. Thats for the game benefit.
VeniVici	Posted - 2007.06.23 20:09:00 - [14] Lets cover the weapon and defensive systems that give you something for nothing: Passive Shield Tanking: Get tank with no cap cost NOS: Get energy and inflict damage to your enemies energy for free CCP just nerfed Passive Shield tanking (SPR CPU + BC recharge rate nerfs), because people were getting too good at it and all the Armor tankers whined enough. Now look at NOS. No other weapon system in Eve provides a massive offensive advantage (destroy your opponents cap), a massive defensive advantage (you create energy for use in defense), all while costing nothing...it doesn't cost you any starting cap so you can still NOS while cap dry (e.g. Medium Nosfertu I will still pull 30cap/6 seconds regardless of your cap state), it doesn't use ammo, its only cost are moderate fitting costs. On top of this NOS does not suffer from tracking, sig radius, or velocity penalties like all other offensive weapons and yes its an offensive weapon as it is used to neutralize an opponents defenses primarily.. So if this isn't overpowered I don't know what is? The three most decent ideas I've heard for bringing it inline have been: 1) Sig radius penalty (to remove it from an I-win button for BS's against everything smaller) 2) Give it an activation cost. e.g. Medium NOS has a 20 cap cost for transfering 50 cap from the target 3) Increase its fittings so that it is not feasible to fit full racks of NOS (this would be inline with the SPR nerf CCP implemented against the passive tanking)
Murtala	Posted - 2007.06.23 20:53:00 - [15] Originally by: VeniVici Lets cover the weapon and defensive systems that give you something for nothing: Passive Shield Tanking: Get tank with no cap cost NOS: Get energy and inflict damage to your enemies energy for free CCP just nerfed Passive Shield tanking (SPR CPU + BC recharge rate nerfs), because people were getting too good at it and all the Armor tankers whined enough. Now look at NOS. No other weapon system in Eve provides a massive offensive advantage (destroy your opponents cap), a massive defensive advantage (you create energy for use in defense), all while costing nothing...it doesn't cost you any starting cap so you can still NOS while cap dry (e.g. Medium Nosfertu I will still pull 30cap/6 seconds regardless of your cap state), it doesn't use ammo, its only cost are moderate fitting costs. On top of this NOS does not suffer from tracking, sig radius, or velocity penalties like all other offensive weapons and yes its an offensive weapon as it is used to neutralize an opponents defenses primarily.. So if this isn't overpowered I don't know what is? The three most decent ideas I've heard for bringing it inline have been: 1) Sig radius penalty (to remove it from an I-win button for BS's against everything smaller) 2) Give it an activation cost. e.g. Medium NOS has a 20 cap cost for transfering 50 cap from the target 3) Increase its fittings so that it is not feasible to fit full racks of NOS (this would be inline with the SPR nerf CCP implemented against the passive tanking) So what if it is overpowered. It is a module available to everyone it basic skills. Must everything be "balanced"? EvE should have some "quirks" to make things interesting and nerfing modules is not always the answer. Nos has been in Eve fior a long time and is one of the few modules left that has not been nerfed. When you joined the game the nos was there, so please play the game the way you met it rather than have it changed to suit you.
Vladimir Ilych Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2007.06.23 21:15:00 - [16] I think making sig radius effect the amount of cap a NOS can suck up is the best idea i have heard. I like NOS but they are kinda overpowered.
Jongo Fett Caldari Dark Entropy	Posted - 2007.06.23 21:17:00 - [17] maby make nos use some sort of charge maby like empty energy cells that fill up or something along those lines
VeniVici	Posted - 2007.06.23 21:31:00 - [18] Originally by: Jongo Fett maby make nos use some sort of charge maby like empty energy cells that fill up or something along those lines Well extending that thought, but too complicated for the likes of Eve, but a fun little thought what about NOS creating Cap Boosters for use with your modules. Small => cycles and every 4 cycles spits out a cap 100 Medium => cycles and every 4 cycles spits out a cap 200 Large => cycles and every 6 cycles spits out a cap 800 caps go into you cargo hold and if you notice this makes nos drain more energy but inconveniences you =p. More an idea for creativity's sake. But yes, back to the sig radius nos change. It doesn't nerf nos at all, and only makes the sizes scale like other weapons gasp. Probably the easiest to implement and balance as well. Originally by: Murtala So what if it is overpowered. It is a module available to everyone it basic skills. Must everything be "balanced"? EvE should have some "quirks" to make things interesting and nerfing modules is not always the answer. Nos has been in Eve fior a long time and is one of the few modules left that has not been nerfed. When you joined the game the nos was there, so please play the game the way you met it rather than have it changed to suit you. And yes things should be balanced, that's why CCP has a team focused just on that. If thing's shouldn't be balanced then why the recent Passive Tank nerfs? If you can't kill Drakes, then fly them according to your logic, but that didn't happen, maybe you can provide a reason why?
Shemaul	Posted - 2007.06.23 21:43:00 - [19] Edited by: Shemaul on 23/06/2007 21:44:23 max stackable nos on a target?
Maaku	Posted - 2007.06.23 21:51:00 - [20] How about, instead of tracking, nos has an adjusting focal range, so that if a hostile ship were to stay at the same range, the nos would have full effect, but if their range was changing, they could avoid most or all of the nos effect. If a ship was fitted with nothing but nos, it could be largely evaded by constantly changing range, but if the ship has both nos and turrets, hostile pilots would have to juggle transversal and (delta)range. This could suggest the addition of a new maneuver control, Variable Orbit, which would maneuver to adjust a ship's range to a target in tandem with maneuvering it to revolve around the target. It would seem to be an easy way to make PVP battles more complex and interesting, and keep nos powerful but more challenging to use.
Cregi Intergalactic Technologies	Posted - 2007.06.23 21:56:00 - [21] Sadly this game is turning into a nerf online game, I miss the early days when eve didnt attract all the wow nerf crazed people. Why dont we just make everything the same and no loss when pvping and get it over with? And i dont even use nos.
tommit	Posted - 2007.06.23 21:58:00 - [22] Originally by: Kaian Voskhod Edited by: Kaian Voskhod on 23/06/2007 00:48:10 Put some tracking on NOS Then heavy nos won't be able to suck up assault ships (for example) capacitor in a row. hmm really good idea actually, its silly they dont have it...
sirbest Warlords Corp	Posted - 2007.06.23 21:59:00 - [23] why is it every time you turn around someone is wanting to nerf something - this is stupid- leave it alone- fight back- there is ways SirBest
tommit	Posted - 2007.06.23 22:00:00 - [24] Originally by: Militis Kolosok Edited by: Militis Kolosok on 23/06/2007 00:53:14 That may be a good idea up until the point where interceptors and other fast ships would be overpowered... cruise at a high speed within nos range but outside weber range and nothing can hurt them. i will to any time take a cruiser on, even without nos/web or any ew. the cruiser is F****** doomed against bc/bs with a good pilot. so i don't see the problem, it will just be a way to make sure that its not just "bigger the better, i win bottom". its just silly that web/nos/scram etc is just a "can't miss always works max etc"
Sheriff Jones Amarr Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Cult of War	Posted - 2007.06.23 22:03:00 - [25] It's simple. People either want a thing to change or not. If they want it changed, they think it's valid. 'cause it's their issue. UIf they don't want it changed,t hey call the others whiners. While at the same time they complain about another issue(like being an-amarr boost and pro-drone love) There no more "whining", percentually then there were before, just more people. Also the anti-"whiners" are in the same club, mostly more annoying then those with concerns. Especially the "You can always leave EVE!" brigade. Hmpf. PoppyCoC! So yeah, i have a problem with being serious, but it's the almost smallest problem i have.
trikish	Posted - 2007.06.23 22:03:00 - [26] Originally by: Cregi Sadly this game is turning into a nerf online game, I miss the early days when eve didnt attract all the wow nerf crazed people. Why dont we just make everything the same and no loss when pvping and get it over with? And i dont even use nos. i just think its sad that this game have become the exploit heaven. multiple nos is more like a exploit then anything, like pos bowling, speed typhoon etc. its stupid people misusing mechanics and its THOSE peoples fauls that nerf are needed to make rules so they dont f up, just because they can. without idiots you wouldnt need mechanics to block them
tommit	Posted - 2007.06.23 22:04:00 - [27] Originally by: Sheriff Jones It's simple. People either want a thing to change or not. If they want it changed, they think it's valid. 'cause it's their issue. UIf they don't want it changed,t hey call the others whiners. While at the same time they complain about another issue(like being an-amarr boost and pro-drone love) There no more "whining", percentually then there were before, just more people. Also the anti-"whiners" are in the same club, mostly more annoying then those with concerns. Especially the "You can always leave EVE!" brigade. Hmpf. PoppyCoC! SIGNET!!!
maccrat	Posted - 2007.06.23 22:39:00 - [28] interesting lol but think of the upraor :D
Sorum Daemoth	Posted - 2007.06.24 06:51:00 - [29] Edited by: Sorum Daemoth on 24/06/2007 06:51:29 Edited by: Sorum Daemoth on 24/06/2007 06:51:16 stop trying to nerf **** that people can use against you because you never wanna have a chance at loosing, come on grow up. yes i do use nos but many other things aswell and i could do the same thing you guys do when there is something that beats me but i dont like come on here and propose nerfing it. let me have a try at this. hrmmhrmm "amarr weapons are way too overpowered, drop down the damage modifier, my thorax can't tank them" "missiles are way too good, not only are they super powerful and always hit, they dont use up any cap letting the ship tanks longer or be impervious to nos" "PvP should not be allowed in carriers, i lost my BS the other day to a thanatos and i wanna be the best so don't let anyone better then me in low sec (i have read this one for real)" "NERF EVERYTHING!" "im amarr and we are the only ones that should use nos cause i don't wanna lose my ship because i don't like a fair fight" everytime someone puts together a really good strategy to win, those who suffer from it complain and complain and complain about how those people are too overpowered(they don't wanna say they don't have the brain capacity to think of a plan themselves) and say how it should be nerfed. don't like it, DON'T USE IT!!!!
necranomicon	Posted - 2007.06.24 07:02:00 - [30] Kaian, your just a whiny baby

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