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Kaian Voskhod	Posted - 2007.06.23 00:49:00 - [1] Edited by: Kaian Voskhod on 23/06/2007 00:48:10 Put some tracking on NOS Then heavy nos won't be able to suck up assault ships (for example) capacitor in a row.
Kaian Voskhod	Posted - 2007.06.23 00:49:00 - [2] Edited by: Kaian Voskhod on 23/06/2007 00:48:10 Put some tracking on NOS Then heavy nos won't be able to suck up assault ships (for example) capacitor in a row.
Militis Kolosok Caldari Praetorian BlackGuard	Posted - 2007.06.23 00:53:00 - [3] Edited by: Militis Kolosok on 23/06/2007 00:53:14 That may be a good idea up until the point where interceptors and other fast ships would be overpowered... cruise at a high speed within nos range but outside weber range and nothing can hurt them. Praetorian BlackGuard Now Recruiting!
Militis Kolosok Caldari Praetorian BlackGuard	Posted - 2007.06.23 00:53:00 - [4] Edited by: Militis Kolosok on 23/06/2007 00:53:14 That may be a good idea up until the point where interceptors and other fast ships would be overpowered... cruise at a high speed within nos range but outside weber range and nothing can hurt them. Praetorian BlackGuard Now Recruiting!
Alski Gallente Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.23 00:59:00 - [5] i say make it all 20km range (25 for T2) and give it all a stacking panalty, but give mediums and smalls a progressiveley lesser penalty and give small nos a little boost in energy amount, that way it'll be less of a iwin vs. small ships but still powerfull. Whatever happens the domi should get a bonus for it. - (combat) Patch belonging to CCP hits your drones, wrecking their liberty and freedom.
Alski Gallente Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.23 00:59:00 - [6] i say make it all 20km range (25 for T2) and give it all a stacking panalty, but give mediums and smalls a progressiveley lesser penalty and give small nos a little boost in energy amount, that way it'll be less of a iwin vs. small ships but still powerfull. Whatever happens the domi should get a bonus for it. - (combat) Patch belonging to CCP hits your drones, wrecking their liberty and freedom.
Murtala	Posted - 2007.06.23 01:00:00 - [7] Please stop this nerf talk. If someone takes your cap, fit nos and take it back. Also fit cap boosters, but leave nos alone please.
Xtro 2 Caldari Pre-nerfed Tactics	Posted - 2007.06.23 01:01:00 - [8] there have been enough boosts to small ships so larger ships cannot touch them, the only remaining usefull tool vs smaller ships should not be nerfed just so a few whiners can solo larger ships with more ease than usual. Xtro 2 - Tactically Insane Tradesman. Insanity, or madness, is a semi-permanent, severe mental disorder.
Sorum Daemoth	Posted - 2007.06.23 01:13:00 - [9] Nos has been made to be what it is, if you get a little mad and wanna complain because somebody with a competant mind says "hey! those damn inty's are bugging the hell out of me, i know, ill nos them" and ends up blowing you up and since the game has turned in somebody else's favor, you come on here and try to ***** about how it should be nerfed because you wanna always have the edge, well eve does not work like that, adapt dammit, make a strategy, beat the nos, dont get CCP to do it for you, use your damn brain, and if you are going to complain. DON'T DO IT HERE, you are distrupting MY thoughts and wasting my time, GOT IT! Stop with all the nerf talk, CCP will do what they believe should be done. the only thing that should be nerfed are what you can talk about on the forums.
Alski Gallente Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.23 01:18:00 - [10] Originally by: Murtala Please stop this nerf talk. If someone takes your cap, fit nos and take it back. Also fit cap boosters, but leave nos alone please. True, tbh Nos really doesent bother me, everyone fits it, everyone uses cap boosters, sometimes you lose to it, sometimes you win with it. Thing is though you, me and everyone else knows it is going to be nurfed at some point, its just a question of how. I'd prefere it if it was "nurfed" in such a way as to make it more ballanced, not useless, case in point: ECM on anything that doesent get bonues for it. - (combat) Patch belonging to CCP hits your drones, wrecking their liberty and freedom.
Noite	Posted - 2007.06.23 03:00:00 - [11] Make Nos Amarr only. They're the cap race, other races can use neutralizers, and it addresses the 2 biggest whines, nerf nos and boost Amarr. My 2 isk.
Arron S Gallente Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.06.23 03:02:00 - [12] Edited by: Arron S on 23/06/2007 03:01:28 I think Rayne needs to be fed, go walk in an allay way at night time please. Or else she will steal my blood again.
Kaian Voskhod	Posted - 2007.06.23 19:53:00 - [13] Edited by: Kaian Voskhod on 23/06/2007 19:55:54 Edited by: Kaian Voskhod on 23/06/2007 19:55:42 Originally by: Militis Kolosok Edited by: Militis Kolosok on 23/06/2007 00:53:14 That may be a good idea up until the point where interceptors and other fast ships would be overpowered... cruise at a high speed within nos range but outside weber range and nothing can hurt them. Nope there is a thing that can hurt Interceptors: other interceptors! (+ drones and some other stuff) And well, that not for my self benefit: all "i win" buttons are gameplay waster. Thats for the game benefit.
VeniVici	Posted - 2007.06.23 20:09:00 - [14] Lets cover the weapon and defensive systems that give you something for nothing: Passive Shield Tanking: Get tank with no cap cost NOS: Get energy and inflict damage to your enemies energy for free CCP just nerfed Passive Shield tanking (SPR CPU + BC recharge rate nerfs), because people were getting too good at it and all the Armor tankers whined enough. Now look at NOS. No other weapon system in Eve provides a massive offensive advantage (destroy your opponents cap), a massive defensive advantage (you create energy for use in defense), all while costing nothing...it doesn't cost you any starting cap so you can still NOS while cap dry (e.g. Medium Nosfertu I will still pull 30cap/6 seconds regardless of your cap state), it doesn't use ammo, its only cost are moderate fitting costs. On top of this NOS does not suffer from tracking, sig radius, or velocity penalties like all other offensive weapons and yes its an offensive weapon as it is used to neutralize an opponents defenses primarily.. So if this isn't overpowered I don't know what is? The three most decent ideas I've heard for bringing it inline have been: 1) Sig radius penalty (to remove it from an I-win button for BS's against everything smaller) 2) Give it an activation cost. e.g. Medium NOS has a 20 cap cost for transfering 50 cap from the target 3) Increase its fittings so that it is not feasible to fit full racks of NOS (this would be inline with the SPR nerf CCP implemented against the passive tanking)
Murtala	Posted - 2007.06.23 20:53:00 - [15] Originally by: VeniVici Lets cover the weapon and defensive systems that give you something for nothing: Passive Shield Tanking: Get tank with no cap cost NOS: Get energy and inflict damage to your enemies energy for free CCP just nerfed Passive Shield tanking (SPR CPU + BC recharge rate nerfs), because people were getting too good at it and all the Armor tankers whined enough. Now look at NOS. No other weapon system in Eve provides a massive offensive advantage (destroy your opponents cap), a massive defensive advantage (you create energy for use in defense), all while costing nothing...it doesn't cost you any starting cap so you can still NOS while cap dry (e.g. Medium Nosfertu I will still pull 30cap/6 seconds regardless of your cap state), it doesn't use ammo, its only cost are moderate fitting costs. On top of this NOS does not suffer from tracking, sig radius, or velocity penalties like all other offensive weapons and yes its an offensive weapon as it is used to neutralize an opponents defenses primarily.. So if this isn't overpowered I don't know what is? The three most decent ideas I've heard for bringing it inline have been: 1) Sig radius penalty (to remove it from an I-win button for BS's against everything smaller) 2) Give it an activation cost. e.g. Medium NOS has a 20 cap cost for transfering 50 cap from the target 3) Increase its fittings so that it is not feasible to fit full racks of NOS (this would be inline with the SPR nerf CCP implemented against the passive tanking) So what if it is overpowered. It is a module available to everyone it basic skills. Must everything be "balanced"? EvE should have some "quirks" to make things interesting and nerfing modules is not always the answer. Nos has been in Eve fior a long time and is one of the few modules left that has not been nerfed. When you joined the game the nos was there, so please play the game the way you met it rather than have it changed to suit you.
Vladimir Ilych Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2007.06.23 21:15:00 - [16] I think making sig radius effect the amount of cap a NOS can suck up is the best idea i have heard. I like NOS but they are kinda overpowered.
Jongo Fett Caldari Dark Entropy	Posted - 2007.06.23 21:17:00 - [17] maby make nos use some sort of charge maby like empty energy cells that fill up or something along those lines
VeniVici	Posted - 2007.06.23 21:31:00 - [18] Originally by: Jongo Fett maby make nos use some sort of charge maby like empty energy cells that fill up or something along those lines Well extending that thought, but too complicated for the likes of Eve, but a fun little thought what about NOS creating Cap Boosters for use with your modules. Small => cycles and every 4 cycles spits out a cap 100 Medium => cycles and every 4 cycles spits out a cap 200 Large => cycles and every 6 cycles spits out a cap 800 caps go into you cargo hold and if you notice this makes nos drain more energy but inconveniences you =p. More an idea for creativity's sake. But yes, back to the sig radius nos change. It doesn't nerf nos at all, and only makes the sizes scale like other weapons gasp. Probably the easiest to implement and balance as well. Originally by: Murtala So what if it is overpowered. It is a module available to everyone it basic skills. Must everything be "balanced"? EvE should have some "quirks" to make things interesting and nerfing modules is not always the answer. Nos has been in Eve fior a long time and is one of the few modules left that has not been nerfed. When you joined the game the nos was there, so please play the game the way you met it rather than have it changed to suit you. And yes things should be balanced, that's why CCP has a team focused just on that. If thing's shouldn't be balanced then why the recent Passive Tank nerfs? If you can't kill Drakes, then fly them according to your logic, but that didn't happen, maybe you can provide a reason why?
Shemaul	Posted - 2007.06.23 21:43:00 - [19] Edited by: Shemaul on 23/06/2007 21:44:23 max stackable nos on a target?
Maaku	Posted - 2007.06.23 21:51:00 - [20] How about, instead of tracking, nos has an adjusting focal range, so that if a hostile ship were to stay at the same range, the nos would have full effect, but if their range was changing, they could avoid most or all of the nos effect. If a ship was fitted with nothing but nos, it could be largely evaded by constantly changing range, but if the ship has both nos and turrets, hostile pilots would have to juggle transversal and (delta)range. This could suggest the addition of a new maneuver control, Variable Orbit, which would maneuver to adjust a ship's range to a target in tandem with maneuvering it to revolve around the target. It would seem to be an easy way to make PVP battles more complex and interesting, and keep nos powerful but more challenging to use.
Cregi Intergalactic Technologies	Posted - 2007.06.23 21:56:00 - [21] Sadly this game is turning into a nerf online game, I miss the early days when eve didnt attract all the wow nerf crazed people. Why dont we just make everything the same and no loss when pvping and get it over with? And i dont even use nos.
tommit	Posted - 2007.06.23 21:58:00 - [22] Originally by: Kaian Voskhod Edited by: Kaian Voskhod on 23/06/2007 00:48:10 Put some tracking on NOS Then heavy nos won't be able to suck up assault ships (for example) capacitor in a row. hmm really good idea actually, its silly they dont have it...
sirbest Warlords Corp	Posted - 2007.06.23 21:59:00 - [23] why is it every time you turn around someone is wanting to nerf something - this is stupid- leave it alone- fight back- there is ways SirBest
tommit	Posted - 2007.06.23 22:00:00 - [24] Originally by: Militis Kolosok Edited by: Militis Kolosok on 23/06/2007 00:53:14 That may be a good idea up until the point where interceptors and other fast ships would be overpowered... cruise at a high speed within nos range but outside weber range and nothing can hurt them. i will to any time take a cruiser on, even without nos/web or any ew. the cruiser is F****** doomed against bc/bs with a good pilot. so i don't see the problem, it will just be a way to make sure that its not just "bigger the better, i win bottom". its just silly that web/nos/scram etc is just a "can't miss always works max etc"
Sheriff Jones Amarr Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Cult of War	Posted - 2007.06.23 22:03:00 - [25] It's simple. People either want a thing to change or not. If they want it changed, they think it's valid. 'cause it's their issue. UIf they don't want it changed,t hey call the others whiners. While at the same time they complain about another issue(like being an-amarr boost and pro-drone love) There no more "whining", percentually then there were before, just more people. Also the anti-"whiners" are in the same club, mostly more annoying then those with concerns. Especially the "You can always leave EVE!" brigade. Hmpf. PoppyCoC! So yeah, i have a problem with being serious, but it's the almost smallest problem i have.
trikish	Posted - 2007.06.23 22:03:00 - [26] Originally by: Cregi Sadly this game is turning into a nerf online game, I miss the early days when eve didnt attract all the wow nerf crazed people. Why dont we just make everything the same and no loss when pvping and get it over with? And i dont even use nos. i just think its sad that this game have become the exploit heaven. multiple nos is more like a exploit then anything, like pos bowling, speed typhoon etc. its stupid people misusing mechanics and its THOSE peoples fauls that nerf are needed to make rules so they dont f up, just because they can. without idiots you wouldnt need mechanics to block them
tommit	Posted - 2007.06.23 22:04:00 - [27] Originally by: Sheriff Jones It's simple. People either want a thing to change or not. If they want it changed, they think it's valid. 'cause it's their issue. UIf they don't want it changed,t hey call the others whiners. While at the same time they complain about another issue(like being an-amarr boost and pro-drone love) There no more "whining", percentually then there were before, just more people. Also the anti-"whiners" are in the same club, mostly more annoying then those with concerns. Especially the "You can always leave EVE!" brigade. Hmpf. PoppyCoC! SIGNET!!!
maccrat	Posted - 2007.06.23 22:39:00 - [28] interesting lol but think of the upraor :D
Sorum Daemoth	Posted - 2007.06.24 06:51:00 - [29] Edited by: Sorum Daemoth on 24/06/2007 06:51:29 Edited by: Sorum Daemoth on 24/06/2007 06:51:16 stop trying to nerf **** that people can use against you because you never wanna have a chance at loosing, come on grow up. yes i do use nos but many other things aswell and i could do the same thing you guys do when there is something that beats me but i dont like come on here and propose nerfing it. let me have a try at this. hrmmhrmm "amarr weapons are way too overpowered, drop down the damage modifier, my thorax can't tank them" "missiles are way too good, not only are they super powerful and always hit, they dont use up any cap letting the ship tanks longer or be impervious to nos" "PvP should not be allowed in carriers, i lost my BS the other day to a thanatos and i wanna be the best so don't let anyone better then me in low sec (i have read this one for real)" "NERF EVERYTHING!" "im amarr and we are the only ones that should use nos cause i don't wanna lose my ship because i don't like a fair fight" everytime someone puts together a really good strategy to win, those who suffer from it complain and complain and complain about how those people are too overpowered(they don't wanna say they don't have the brain capacity to think of a plan themselves) and say how it should be nerfed. don't like it, DON'T USE IT!!!!
necranomicon	Posted - 2007.06.24 07:02:00 - [30] Kaian, your just a whiny baby
necranomicon	Posted - 2007.06.24 07:04:00 - [31] and i don't even use nos, but i can tell this is a very bad idea nos is good and works for alot of people, if it did not work, no one would use it. P.S. coughcough"cap boosters"coughcough
Amarria Black Clan Anthraxx	Posted - 2007.06.24 07:12:00 - [32] NOS needs a little tweaking. However, most of the suggestions I've seen on how to do it involve tweaking it with a baseball bat. I do kinda like the Amarr-only one... What? No, my support has absolutely nothing to do with my small fleet of gold chrome-laden ships. These aren't the droids you're looking for.
Sorum Daemoth	Posted - 2007.06.24 07:16:00 - [33] im sorry, the amarr only idea is terrible every race should be allowed to use whatever they want, hell, they trained for it
X99 Z990	Posted - 2007.06.24 07:16:00 - [34] Nos uses alot of powergrid and a high slot, it is in essence a weapon. I dont see why it needs to be nerfed, its just a slower way of killing some ships and a faster way of killing others which sounds good to me id rather have a means to counter 1000+ dps tanking ship that doesnt involve mustering a small gang without nos things would be alot worse. I think its about right currently and cap injectors are pretty effective. My guess is peoples obsession with 1v1 nos scenarios with drone ships. Everything has a counter though and by nerfing nos you would be nerfing one of the counters to other things also.
Sorum Daemoth	Posted - 2007.06.24 07:19:00 - [35] yes, cap boosters are good for nos i lost one of my nos domi's the other day to a pirate in a hyper with cap boosters. they work great for fighting nos ships P.S. some aspects of the game would go insane without nos, even with just a nerf P.P.S. thnx smilax for the GF
Aakron Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.06.24 08:52:00 - [36] Nerf alts. Post with your main ---
Sakura Nihil Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.06.24 09:14:00 - [37] Originally by: Aakron Nerf alts. Post with your main This. Looking for a relaxed ingame RP channel to join? La Maison De Tous Les Plaisirs
Avataris The first genesis	Posted - 2007.06.24 10:14:00 - [38] Leave Nos alone, there is nothing wrong with it. Get creative instead of asking for a nerf. Nos giving you problems? Use some damps, or ecm, or a cap injector, or Nos of your own, or stay out of range, or work as a team, or don't try to solo BS in a frigate... The options are limitless.
Mindy Moobah Caldari Tech Five Giants	Posted - 2007.06.24 10:23:00 - [39] Edited by: Mindy Moobah on 24/06/2007 10:22:38 people who say that NOS doesnt need any kind of overhaul are either ignorant or plain stupid Evil Girl
ghosttr Amarr ARK-CORP FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.24 10:25:00 - [40] Nos is fine as it is. It currently about the only way a bs has of shaking frigates, and in some cases the only way if the frigate is too fast for your drones. Stop the carebear whine, Fix Cloaking
Avataris The first genesis	Posted - 2007.06.24 10:30:00 - [41] Originally by: Mindy Moobah Edited by: Mindy Moobah on 24/06/2007 10:22:38 people who say that NOS doesnt need any kind of overhaul are either ignorant or plain stupid People who throw insults around instead of being constructive are either ignorant or plain stupid.
ghosttr Amarr ARK-CORP FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.24 10:36:00 - [42] Originally by: Avataris Originally by: Mindy Moobah Edited by: Mindy Moobah on 24/06/2007 10:22:38 people who say that NOS doesnt need any kind of overhaul are either ignorant or plain stupid People who throw insults around instead of being constructive are either ignorant or plain stupid. Yes plz explain how the only way a bs can combat a frigate needs to be removed Stop the carebear whine, Fix Cloaking
Mindy Moobah Caldari Tech Five Giants	Posted - 2007.06.24 10:49:00 - [43] Originally by: ghosttr Originally by: Avataris Originally by: Mindy Moobah Edited by: Mindy Moobah on 24/06/2007 10:22:38 people who say that NOS doesnt need any kind of overhaul are either ignorant or plain stupid People who throw insults around instead of being constructive are either ignorant or plain stupid. Yes plz explain how the only way a bs can combat a frigate needs to be removed only way? looks like you fit well in least 1 of the categories Evil Girl You are going too fast! Wait a minute and try again.
Mindy Moobah Caldari Tech Five Giants	Posted - 2007.06.24 10:50:00 - [44] Originally by: Avataris Originally by: Mindy Moobah Edited by: Mindy Moobah on 24/06/2007 10:22:38 people who say that NOS doesnt need any kind of overhaul are either ignorant or plain stupid People who throw insults around instead of being constructive are either ignorant or plain stupid. tell me, what part of my post wasnt constructive? Evil Girl You are going too fast! Wait a minute and try again.
DDemon The Order of Chivalry Nex Eternus	Posted - 2007.06.24 11:09:00 - [45] Nos has been in the game ever since eve has started, And has always been the same. I do not see why it should be changed now. There is something as going to far with nerfing.
Xerxes X Minmatar	Posted - 2007.06.24 11:12:00 - [46] The only logical nerf for me - is tracking. Xerxes X
Sokratesz Paradox v2.0 Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.06.24 11:12:00 - [47] Originally by: Murtala Please stop this nerf talk. If someone takes your cap, fit nos and take it back. Also fit cap boosters, but leave nos alone please. Yes because if the only way to counter something is more of the same, that means its not overpowered at all.
Amarria Black Clan Anthraxx	Posted - 2007.06.24 11:13:00 - [48] Originally by: ghosttr Originally by: Avataris Originally by: Mindy Moobah Edited by: Mindy Moobah on 24/06/2007 10:22:38 people who say that NOS doesnt need any kind of overhaul are either ignorant or plain stupid People who throw insults around instead of being constructive are either ignorant or plain stupid. Yes plz explain how the only way a bs can combat a frigate needs to be removed A BS has other options for fighting a frigate than NOS.
Methem The Hand of Mortis	Posted - 2007.06.24 11:59:00 - [49] In my opinion, I think medium and large nos need a slight stacking penalty (when fitting more than 2). Are nos the same strength now as they were before the Hp buff? Because if they are, it seems like nos would get a buff from having longer fights.
Cruthensis	Posted - 2007.06.24 12:44:00 - [50] Edited by: Cruthensis on 24/06/2007 12:43:13 Originally by: Mindy Moobah Edited by: Mindy Moobah on 24/06/2007 10:22:38 people who say that NOS doesnt need any kind of overhaul are either ignorant or plain stupid tell me, what part of my post wasnt constructive? Mindy: Expressing that people on one side of a debate are "either ignorant or plain stupid" does not acheive anything if you do not provide any argument to support such a statement. At the very least, it will not endear you to anyone who previously posted in support of 'not nerfing'. My personal feeling is that NOS is not a 'free ride' as such. It occupies hi-slots and consumes a fair bit of ship resources - CPU and grid. If you fit lots of NOS, you aren't fitting DPS dealing turrets and when faced with a cap boosting opponent who fits for 100% DPS, you can be in for a nasty surprise. Furthermore, the relatively short range of NOS allows certain ships to more readily stay out of range of its effects. ECM ships, when successful in breaking your lock, are very effectively countering NOS and just about everything else you might be using....Yikes! Nerf ECM! If a nerf were deemed necessary, a simple way to go would be to raise the CPU requirement and make it impossible or rather costly (ie: extra processor) to fit all NOS in highs.
James Duar Merch Industrial We Are Nice Guys	Posted - 2007.06.24 14:31:00 - [51] Originally by: Mindy Moobah Edited by: Mindy Moobah on 24/06/2007 10:22:38 people who say that NOS needs any kind of overhaul are either ignorant or plain stupid OH LOOK! This post is STILL worthless.
Camilo Cienfuegos EP0CH	Posted - 2007.06.24 15:26:00 - [52] Edited by: Camilo Cienfuegos on 24/06/2007 15:27:50 Nos does not need altered, it works perfectly as it is. The OP's idea would do horrible things to the game balance by my mind. What would work though would be a stacking penalty, much like shield and armour resistances. The efficacy of your nos could be reduced depending on the number you fit. Assuming a Dominix with T1 Heavy NOS fitted: Originally by: 10% Stacking penalty on Heavy Nosferatu I efficacy 1: 100 Cap/cycle 2: 90 Cap/cycle 3: 81 Cap/cycle 4: 73 Cap/cycle 5: 66 Cap/cycle As you can see, this would make multiple NOS worthwhile, but only to a point - forcing people to use neuts instead of vamps, just as was intended. Assuming the same principle, an alternative would be to apply to stack-nerf to fitting instead. As above, we're looking at the Dominix and Heavy Vampires Originally by: 10% Stacking penalty on Heavy Nosferatu I fitting requirements 1: 2000MW & 50Tf 2: 2200MW & 55Tf 3: 2420MW & 61Tf 4: 2662MW & 67Tf 5: 2928MW & 74Tf In other words, either way a 10% stack nerf would solve the "problem" of pure NOS boats. The real question is: Is it a required nerf? Isn't it reasonable that the Dominix, a ship that uses it's drones for damage could be using as many nos as they like? -- Don't take the carebears out of empire - take the empire out of carebears!
Grim Vandal Caldari Burn Proof	Posted - 2007.06.24 15:32:00 - [53] Originally by: DDemon Nos has been in the game ever since eve has started, And has always been the same. wrong Greetings Grim
Haxa Serenity Prime Praesidium Libertatis	Posted - 2007.06.24 15:37:00 - [54] All this nerfing talk. Its sad but i sense a NGE on the horizion for EvE if CCP keeps giving into nerfing
Sheriff Jones Amarr Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Cult of War	Posted - 2007.06.24 16:07:00 - [55] The problem with NOS, which i don't even see, is that it doesn't have a viable "anti-" tool like all other lovely things in EVE. One of the key incredients in EVE is that everything has a tool(not the human kind) against it. So, how about a NOS shielding device? Much like the warp core stabilizer? So yeah, i have a problem with being serious, but it's the almost smallest problem i have.
rotweiler Gallente United Warriors Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2007.06.24 16:17:00 - [56] NERF ONLINE this community and its game becomes more irritating and lost by the minute. Lets just pretend EVE isnt WOW ok ? thx
Sheriff Jones Amarr Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Cult of War	Posted - 2007.06.24 16:20:00 - [57] Originally by: rotweiler this community and its game becomes more irritating and lost by the minute. Lets just pretend EVE isnt WOW ok ? thx I don't know why, but the only people comparing every "complaint" to WoW, are the only people doing so with false pretences. WoW has actually nothing to do with nerfing things. Any more then any other MMO out there. Especially since changing something like NOS would probably make it tougher and harder for people to survive in EVE. Well, the bigger ship flying people that is. In PVP, it's altogether. So yeah, i have a problem with being serious, but it's the almost smallest problem i have.
Sorum Daemoth	Posted - 2007.06.24 19:22:00 - [58] Edited by: Sorum Daemoth on 24/06/2007 19:20:48 Originally by: Sheriff Jones The problem with NOS, which i don't even see, is that it doesn't have a viable "anti-" tool like all other lovely things in EVE. One of the key incredients in EVE is that everything has a tool(not the human kind) against it. So, how about a NOS shielding device? Much like the warp core stabilizer? Cap Boosters? you must not have read my comment at the top and Aakron, this is my main
Sheriff Jones Amarr Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Cult of War	Posted - 2007.06.24 20:01:00 - [59] Originally by: Sorum Daemoth Cap Boosters? you must not have read my comment at the top and Aakron, this is my main Missed it a bit yes. Well yes, cap boosters would be viable, although i think those won't solve the "frigates getting dried up by BS" thing. The thing is, cap boosters arn't the real "anti-nos" tool, not really that is. It's kinda like the anti tool as...well...armor repairers are against guns? Hard to explain. I think the problem with nos is that it's so easy on the ship. No punishment. Where as the cap boosters need the ammo to work. Also nos is somewhat ridicilous since it makes the powerneuts really useless. Though...have to look into this more, at the moment i'm just throwing ideas into the discussion as i don't mind if they change it or not. So yeah, i have a problem with being serious, but it's the almost smallest problem i have.
Mindy Moobah Caldari Tech Five Giants	Posted - 2007.06.24 20:10:00 - [60] Originally by: James Duar Originally by: Mindy Moobah Edited by: Mindy Moobah on 24/06/2007 10:22:38 people who say that NOS needs any kind of overhaul are either ignorant or plain stupid OH LOOK! This post is STILL worthless. Irony Evil Girl You are going too fast! Wait a minute and try again.
Sheriff Jones Amarr Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Cult of War	Posted - 2007.06.24 20:21:00 - [61] Originally by: barvo Arrgh. Do things have to be so black and white for you? Things arn't actually, but evidently for you, you're either against nerf or for nerf. I'm neither. Just tossing my two iskies into the pile, maybe give someone else an idea for a viable solution to their problem(a problem i don't have<--notice) and all in all, just contribute to a discussion with no ill intent or flamitory attitude to eachother. So yeah, i have a problem with being serious, but it's the almost smallest problem i have.
Brunswick2 eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.06.24 20:28:00 - [62] Just don't touch my curse Brunswick2 is too sexy for the eve-o mods O RLY? - Kreul YA RLY
Emsee S.Y.N.D.R.O.M.E.	Posted - 2007.06.24 20:28:00 - [63] Edited by: Emsee on 24/06/2007 20:27:35 Nerf the fitting requirements. Battleships shouldn't be made even more gimped towards frigates, and heavy nos will still be way too effective against battleships if there was a sig radius nerf.
Sorum Daemoth	Posted - 2007.06.24 21:14:00 - [64] Edited by: Sorum Daemoth on 24/06/2007 21:13:09 Originally by: Sheriff Jones Missed it a bit yes. Well yes, cap boosters would be viable, although i think those won't solve the "frigates getting dried up by BS" thing. The thing is, cap boosters arn't the real "anti-nos" tool, not really that is. It's kinda like the anti tool as...well...armor repairers are against guns? Hard to explain. I think the problem with nos is that it's so easy on the ship. No punishment. Where as the cap boosters need the ammo to work. Also nos is somewhat ridicilous since it makes the powerneuts really useless. Though...have to look into this more, at the moment i'm just throwing ideas into the discussion as i don't mind if they change it or not. Well, fact stands strong, there is no way a frig should be beating a BS yes? nobody should be expecting a frig to stand up to one, heavy nos are for BS and they are not overpowered for their meaning, it is not anybodys fault that frigs are engaging BS exept the frigs. BS + Frigate = BS + Small Wreck
Sorum Daemoth	Posted - 2007.06.24 22:17:00 - [65] Why nos won't be nerfed nos is not used by one specific race mainly, it is meant to be used by anyone who likes it and it is. use is a very useful tool and it has it's counters. CCP does not believe it is overpowered. IT DOES WHAT IT IS SUPPOSED TO! if it dident no one would use it. nos IS the balance between big and little ships and nerfing it would unbalance this region of the game(those who are for nerfing it are in the ship region and those against it are in the nos region) and since this topic has equal sides it seems pretty balanced and CCP is not going tp pick sides on the matter. nerfing it would **** off half the poeple in eve(or more) and not nerfing it would not change anything in the game currently and EVE is great how it is (exept for my BIO and the lag lately, so fix that). nos will and should be left alone no matter what anyone thinks. thank you

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