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Cpt Branko Guardian Heroes	Posted - 2007.06.26 11:23:00 - [91] Originally by: Gaven Blands Did they proportionally increase the cost of actually being an Alliance when they incremented the War fees? Because every bear and his donkey is some sort of Alliance these days, and most don't seem able to afford a decent layout, so how much does it cost to be an Alliance, 7 or 8 isk? QFT. You can make yourself 20 times more expensive to wardec by just being in an alliance, w/out any downside or real cost to it.
iinlin Amarr Omniscient Order	Posted - 2007.06.26 12:51:00 - [92] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Originally by: Heisenburg Principle Edited by: Heisenburg Principle on 26/06/2007 10:37:05 ... Do your research beore posting, top 3 priv ship kills: caracal: 1445 drake: 1400 raven: 1096 These don't appear to be defenceless ships. Like killing people in ships not that are designed to fight back? Lol, it is all a notsoclever boost caldari thread! Tbh, this thread is sad to read, tells more about the state of the game than anything and the alliance ppl in here whining really do not have one clue what privateers was doing. For the few corps and the odd alliance that actually fought, dont tell me it wasnt awesome.
Lore Isander Caldari Sybrite Inc.	Posted - 2007.06.26 13:22:00 - [93] SIGNED! ** lowsec, ** 0.0! BRING PRIVATEERS BACK! ---
The Mantra Caldari Knights of Sovereignty United Corporations of Eve	Posted - 2007.06.26 13:32:00 - [94] Originally by: Patch86 The Privateers were a clever bunch who came up with a genius way of playing the game mechanics to their advantage, and deserve much kudos for it. But anyone who didn't realise CCP were going to fix it up as soon as they could implement the change were just plain delusional. If they'd wanted Empire to be a PvP free for all, they wouldn't have put in the all pervasive force of CONCORD to pop every aggressive ship in 5 seconds flat. I really hope Privateers enjoyed it while it lasted, but the loop hole has now been fixed. "Whining carebears" had very little to do with it. Precisely. Believing that forum whines somehow caused the wardec nerf is not sensible (for that matter, the same goes for any "the carebears whined about this on the forums and..." statement). If CCP fix it, it's probably because it's broken. But anyway, much respect for PVT, but it just wasn't going to last. PVT took the mick and didn't know when to stop, and IMO were directly responsible for the nerf. If they'd stopped with a reasonable number of corps/alliances instead of the huge number they did wardec, it probably wouldn't have been such an issue. So no sympathy. Empire PVP is not 'dead' or 'nerfed'. Just less common. Find a couple of large empire corps to declare war on. Or hell, declare war on PVT. Or go to low sec...
Peter Totolos Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2007.06.26 14:43:00 - [95] /signed Privateers were really fun!
Steel Tigeress Gallente Silver Snake Enterprise	Posted - 2007.06.26 14:48:00 - [96] Quote: Do your research beore posting, top 3 priv ship kills: caracal: 1445 drake: 1400 raven: 1096 These don't appear to be defenceless ships. Ya cause we all know that mission runner ships are the best fittings for PvP... tard. 0.1 Isk to any mod that adds to my sig.
Deitre Cibrus Divine Retribution	Posted - 2007.06.26 14:52:00 - [97] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Originally by: Deitre Cibrus /signed since the nerf ive been finding it really hard to actually have any sort off fun, ive gotten to the point were i dont even wanna log on anymore Look at you guys accusing the "carebears" whining. When we bears get decced 23/7 you don't see us crying on the forums saying, "we are ganked up to the point where we don't wanna login anymore". The old war decs were too cheap and prone to abuse. The war decs are very balanced in this patch. Stop asking for easy grief tools. exactly were am i 'accusing' anyone ? i simply stated that i haven't enjoyed the game since the nerf, oh and theres plenty of carebear whines about privs u just obv haven't looked hard enough ----------- Originally by: Santiago Cortes Please don't derail your own thread. What is this sig missing? Pretty colours? -Conuion Not true! Has plenty -Deitre It's missing the goat!- Tirg Cowbell! -Scyd Gold gold, baby -Sahwoolo Violet fluffiness? -Incognus What rhymes with orange? -Rauth
Malcanis High4Life Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.26 15:07:00 - [98] Originally by: ArmyOfMe Edited by: ArmyOfMe on 25/06/2007 17:58:06 Never thought i would say this, but this game is rather boring without having them to shoot at so please reconsider the war fee. 0,0 is full of blobs, low sec is full of gatecamping motherships and carriers. The last fun place to pvp is in emipre so imo eve needs privateers /signed I've done over 100 empire jumps today hauling stuff and I'm bored to tears.
BoBoZoBo Foundation R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.06.26 15:10:00 - [99] You want mindless and easy PVP.. go play WOW. If you want to actually THINK and work to get a war going.. stay here as leave it alone. ========================= Minister of Propaganda - Operator 9
Aille Pluthrak Caldari Racketeers	Posted - 2007.06.26 15:12:00 - [100] It's nice to be missed. Gets me all teary eyed. ---------------------- This space for rent
Malcanis High4Life Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.26 15:16:00 - [101] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Originally by: Deitre Cibrus /signed since the nerf ive been finding it really hard to actually have any sort off fun, ive gotten to the point were i dont even wanna log on anymore Look at you guys accusing the "carebears" whining. When we bears get decced 23/7 you don't see us crying on the forums saying, "we are ganked up to the point where we don't wanna login anymore". The old war decs were too cheap and prone to abuse. The war decs are very balanced in this patch. Stop asking for easy grief tools. That's funny, because I recall a fantastic amount of whining from you saying just that.
Princess Jodi Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.06.26 15:20:00 - [102] Actually, EVE does not miss the PrivateRears at all. We just want the dead to stay dead. Necro creeps me out.
Anaalys Fluuterby Caldari	Posted - 2007.06.26 15:29:00 - [103] Originally by: Heisenburg Principle Do your research beore posting, top 3 priv ship kills: caracal: 1445 drake: 1400 raven: 1096 These don't appear to be defenceless ships. You forgot to add that also in the Top Ten during your peak: Ibis Caldari Shuttle Gallente Shuttle Velator Badger 2 Systems with the most kills: Jita, with over 2x the amount of the next system. Also in the top 4 systems: Rens Amarr Popping lagged-out industrials, shuttles and noobships is such fun <-----------> Factional Warfare: The LowSec wars which never happened.
Selena 001	Posted - 2007.06.26 15:39:00 - [104] Originally by: Banana Torres .. blah blah... I can think of better things to spend 200 million on. TBH if your funding all your corp wars from your personal wallet, you need a new corp ___________ NATIONAL SARCASM DAY!!
Omega Man The Geddy Foundation	Posted - 2007.06.26 16:27:00 - [105] You in Privateer Alliance LeSkunk?
Banana Torres The Green Banana Corporation	Posted - 2007.06.26 17:35:00 - [106] Originally by: Selena 001 Originally by: Banana Torres .. blah blah... I can think of better things to spend 200 million on. TBH if your funding all your corp wars from your personal wallet, you need a new corp We are a commune, posession is theft.
Nanobotter Mk2	Posted - 2007.06.26 18:01:00 - [107] Sigh same old BS, the game's true carebears whining they cannot pvp and blob easy targets in empire, while the whole time remaining in denial that they themselves are to big of carebears to go out to 0.0 were people actually fight back and will gank them... PRivateer's were eve's biggest carebear alliance, there is no reason they shouldn't be forced into 0.0 if they want true alliance warfare.
Kruel Save our Souls	Posted - 2007.06.26 18:02:00 - [108] /signed I want the old privateers back! (not that I'm biased or anything)
Ryan Scouse'UK	Posted - 2007.06.26 18:12:00 - [109] /signed !! bring back Privateers I wuv you !! Skunk you had a amazin idea.. & CCP nerfed you .. so so sad :(
Savage Creampuff Caldari Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.26 20:50:00 - [110] Can't really believe i read this thread. Seems some ppl actually believe the lies and propaganda that was written during the reign of horror. Thats OK, each to their own. After all we all know that everything on the intraweb is true and nobody would ever write anything to unfairly influence others just to forward their own ulterior motives. I have to admit, I'm still pretty disappointed with cCp. I would have much preferred a FIX to a nerf to a 'we're gonna decimate your alliance and all you have built up just because you're too effective and we don't know what else to do'. End result, now we have large alliances who are invulnerable to war decs... i'm gonna leave that one for another thread i think. Love us or hate us, ya gotta admit that things were a lot more exciting (fun perhaps?) during the reign of terror. As for myself, I still have 70 hour work weeks so i can't play much, but when i do, i still like to solo in frigate sized ships (damn was that fun when 222 alliances wanted to shoot me). But i am considering moving into the cruiser class. That should help to spread the darkness Morals of the story - some people lie and others will ignorantly fight for those lies; don't be too good at anything, cCp can and will remove you; if there were no sheep, some of us would go hungry. Every time i think that i contributed to podding 10% of all of you and your alts, well, there's a smile on my face and my step gets lighter Quote: I've sent in plenty of petitions but it seems that CCP just doesn't care about me. Without knowledge of market dynamics theres no way I can compete with these griefers
Nexa Necis The Really Awesome Players	Posted - 2007.06.26 21:14:00 - [111] I would agree with the OP. Some people think of Privateers as a bunch of lame griefers. I think they changed everyone's outlook and style of play. Quite an accomplishment for a single group of people to change the way the game works. I was on both sides of the Privateers action. Initially as a member of their alliance, and subsequently as a war target of them. I see a lot of people saying how "easy" it was for them. Honestly having that many people able to kill you at any given time isn't easy. It's not easy to stay alive and it's not always easy to score a kill. I didn't have any problems myself, but some of my corpmates did. They also thought it would be a cakewalk and targets would line up to die willingly. Of course once they ran into 40 man anti-Privateer gate camps at every turn, they realized it's far from easy. I would also agree with the poster that CCP gimped the people who like wars in favor of the carebear alliance/corp crowd. Generally when you make changes to the game there should be some sort of opposite but equal reaction. For example, I am in a small corp with about 10-12 active players. We do Empire wars mostly. Prior to the patch it cost 6mil a week to dec 3 corps with no other wars on them. Now it costs double that. What does it cost the war dec'd corp? Zero. They can easily quit corp, and jump from corp to corp with zero penalty. For example, if we dec a 100 man corp and kick their butts, they can disband, create 4 new corps for a total of 8mil I think? 2 mil per corp created IIRC? My corp is limited to 3 war decs. So they can just hop back and forth after their initial 8mil investment to avoid being killed. Create an alt CEO and no one take any roles and it's almost insta-switchable from corp to corp to avoid contact. Meanwhile, I'm paying weekly to chase ghost corps. The same thing with alliances. They get to hide some of these corps with no real cost to them and the war dec fees cost me $200mil instead of $50. I have seen alliances just have members jump to sister corps outside the alliance to play the corp jump game. They need to be affected in some way as well I think.
Hamfast Gallente	Posted - 2007.06.26 21:38:00 - [112] I have seen whine after carebear whine on these forums that came to nothing... I have seen Hardcore PvP whine after whine that amounted to nothing... As a carebear, I can honestly say I was never bothered by the Privateers, the corp I am in was never dec'ed, never big enough to be worth it... we're still not. But as it was posted above, the Privateers had more to do with the war dec fix then us carebears ever had... we could whine about war decs for weeks and months, and get laughed at (or good advice in the case of the one war dec that was placed on the corp I am in). But when the Privateers made the weakness in the wardec system so blatantly obvious, CCP had to fix it... if nobody had ever war deced 20 or 30 different groups, CCP may never have changed it, but the Privateers went far and beyond that... what better way to show the weakness of a game then to use it to excess... Good Job Privateers!!!! None of us is as dumb as all of us...
Umit Davala Corpus PCG The State	Posted - 2007.06.26 21:51:00 - [113] WOW its February all over again! My time machine works \o/ I liked the Privs tbh. I saw it as a badge of honour that my little corp got decced by them. /signed. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ This post was brought to you in association with Amateur Dramatics Forum Whoring, and Quafe Ultra: in the heat of the moment.
Sabiokah	Posted - 2007.06.26 21:52:00 - [114] Allowing privater to have multiple war on, is just encouraging them to find easy target. Because hosnestly, if you want to be able to shoot anybody in empire, its because you got no balls and just wait of easy kills. We had one privateer war dec our corp before. All he was doing is sitting all day in our headquater in a stealth bomber waiting for us to get out of station in hauler and shoot from 100km. Because he was a one man corp, we got only little chance to hunt this corpmates in return. You got to have really no balls at all to call 'it' pvp because it seem you dont have enough to go yourself into low sec and fight plp that are ready to defend themselves.
Crazy Tasty Beyond Divinity Inc Blind Beavers	Posted - 2007.06.26 22:04:00 - [115] Hell yes. /signed Eve has been a drag since they got nerfed.
Surreptitious Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.26 22:11:00 - [116] When the decision was made to nerf us, whoever was in that room failed to ask one question, probably THE most important question. What function will the war system serve after we do this? It went from arguably the most effective means of impacting change in the game to a meta-game of ticker washing played 3 corps at a time. It's really tragic that EVE was struck such a serious blow simply to reign in our alliance. Whether it should have been done is not for me to say, but I doubt anyone would argue it should have been handled differently. What really sickened me the most was the complete disregard for one of the biggest alliances in the game, us. We may not have held territory or run cap ship yards but we were still 800-900 paying customers. Almost 1 thousand people who had built up friendships over those 6, 7 months. I realise there are 200K+ subscribers but there has never been a bigger slap to the face to a bigger group of players in the games history. After it all im really kindof soured with CCP. EVE can still be a fun game sometimes but the company behind it has lost my trust. When I look back in 5-10 years I'll remember this as one of those watershed moments where a top notch gaming company "Sold-Out" and abandoned their core values in an effort to attract more customers. I could list the MMO's and companies that did this but we all know them. True in some cases the companies didnt die and their games continued but the community at large saw they had lost their edge. To the people who really love the game and the developers who poured their heart into it thats the saddest part. Just my 2 cents Syrup
Dave White coracao ardente	Posted - 2007.06.26 22:12:00 - [117] Privateers was an excellent adittion to the game, and even though they were slightly 'overpowered', the nerf that was applied was a bit too much imo. CORA. Killboard Personal Killboard
Grendelsbane	Posted - 2007.06.26 22:25:00 - [118] Edited by: Grendelsbane on 26/06/2007 22:28:50 I wouldn't mind seeing more shooting in empire - but what I want is a broad open season on people with low sec status. It's incredibly annoying that there is no mechanism for being able to go into a lowsec cesspit and try to clean out the pirates without getting the standing hit yourself, and having to deal with sentry guns and the like. And yes, I miss Privateers. We got wardecced by them, and that was the only fun we had all week.
Nanobotter Mk2	Posted - 2007.06.26 22:35:00 - [119] Quote: When the decision was made to nerf us, whoever was in that room failed to ask one question, probably THE most important question. What function will the war system serve after we do this? Are you dumb? the question was obviously asked and answered. The war dec system was no designed to allow people to turn empire into something like open pvp. The war dec system is working as it was ment for corps and alliance to declare war on an ENEMY, NOT to turn empire into open pvp. Grow some balls go live in 0.0 you w a n k e r. 99% of privateer function was to grief, a 1 man corp sitting in s bomber stealthed at another corps HQ waiting to kill indies....ya there is pvp at its best, or the blobs of cheap frigate pilot camping stations to blob someone.... Notice a trend all those situation place you will ZERO risk, which is why open pvp is in 0.0 where YOU are also at risk, for many reasons you are not at risk when doing what privateers did in empire. Again all comes down to the basic issuie is if you really want big open pvp goto 0.0 and take your panties off.
Umit Davala Corpus PCG The State	Posted - 2007.06.26 22:45:00 - [120] Originally by: Nanobotter Mk2 Quote: When the decision was made to nerf us, whoever was in that room failed to ask one question, probably THE most important question. What function will the war system serve after we do this? Are you dumb? the question was obviously asked and answered. The war dec system was no designed to allow people to turn empire into something like open pvp. The war dec system is working as it was ment for corps and alliance to declare war on an ENEMY, NOT to turn empire into open pvp. Grow some balls go live in 0.0 you w a n k e r. 99% of privateer function was to grief, a 1 man corp sitting in s bomber stealthed at another corps HQ waiting to kill indies....ya there is pvp at its best, or the blobs of cheap frigate pilot camping stations to blob someone.... Notice a trend all those situation place you will ZERO risk, which is why open pvp is in 0.0 where YOU are also at risk, for many reasons you are not at risk when doing what privateers did in empire. Again all comes down to the basic issuie is if you really want big open pvp goto 0.0 and take your panties off. I think you need to calm down a little. Wardecs have always been an excuse to have PvP in Empire, just the Privs did it on a bigger scale. If there was one [ONE!] person sat in a bomber how was he causing you so much of a problem? Perhaps get in a shuttle fly somewhere else and then resume what you were doing. Repeatedly undocking in indys is just playing his game. And I have to say, why not fight when there is zero risk? Its a helluva lot cheaper than fighting with 100% risk It is up to you to mean they do not fight with 0% risk. Be proactive perhaps? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ This post was brought to you in association with Amateur Dramatics Forum Whoring, and Quafe Ultra: in the heat of the moment.

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