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Frosty Jovakko
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.01.06 16:21:00 -
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This is going to look like a very noobish question, but can someone Explain what exactly Corporate Hangars and Ship Maintenance bays do in ships like the Rorqual. |
flakeys
Arkham Innovations
181
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Posted - 2012.01.06 16:25:00 -
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Undocking retriever from the bay and then taking mining crystals out of the hangar? |
Jarnis McPieksu
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.01.06 16:33:00 -
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Consider them as additional separated cargo holds with following features;
- Corporate Hangar shows up as a bunch of pages and should you allow it, others in your corporation can access them in space. Also any corporate hangar access limitations your corporation has apply to others (except you - a pilot of the ship always has access to all those pages).
- Ship Maintenance Bay holds only assembled ships. In case of Rorqual, only mining barges and haulers. They also cannot have any cargo except ammo and charges (no idea if mining crystals are ok, I guess they might be as they are sort of "ammo" for barges). Also others in your fleet can take and board ships in your maintenance bay in space if you allow it.
When you right click your ship you can open normal cargo, corporate hangar, ship maintenance bay or fuel bay etc as appropriate.
Additional tidbit; neither of these holds can be scanned using cargo scanner, so Orcas are often used in high sec as "high value stuff transport" with the valuables in Corporate Hangar as those cannot be viewed by pirates using cargo scanner.
If ship goes boom, all stuff in these additional holds are destroyed, they never drop as loot.
Functionality of these for Rorqual is that in theory you can get a cyno frig in a juicy mining system in deep 0.0, jump rorqual to that cyno (it has jump drive) and then use the cloning vats aboard the ship to allow others clone jump to the rorqual and then board ships out of the hangar for mining op. This theory fails due to the long cooldown of clone jump and the impractical limitations of cloning vats aboard ships. It's one of those "sounded good in theory" features by CCP that never really worked as intended.
In practice I guess ship hangar is mostly unused - I guess it can be used to move haulers and barges around bit like with a carrier (carrier can carry any kind of ships). And the corp hangar is just extra cargo space. |
Invictra Atreides
Toward the Terra
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Posted - 2012.01.06 23:13:00 -
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Jarnis McPieksu wrote:It's one of those "sounded good in theory" features by CCP that never really worked as intended. this made me laugh 
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Celgar Thurn
Department 10
13
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Posted - 2012.01.07 17:07:00 -
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Jarnis McPieksu wrote:
Additional tidbit; neither of these holds can be scanned using cargo scanner, so Orcas are often used in high sec as "high value stuff transport" with the valuables in Corporate Hangar as those cannot be viewed by pirates using cargo scanner.
If ship goes boom, all stuff in these additional holds are destroyed, they never drop as loot.
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I haven't personally checked it but have read numerous times in this forum that the Corporate Hangar in Orca vessels CAN be scanned by suicide gankers using a cargo scanner module. It was unscannable at some point but the 'loophole' was removed.
Additionally there are no measures currently available to stop customs vessels in high sec scanning your ship for illegal items.
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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
396
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Posted - 2012.01.08 06:25:00 -
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Celgar Thurn wrote:I haven't personally checked it but have read numerous times in this forum that the Corporate Hangar in Orca vessels CAN be scanned by suicide gankers using a cargo scanner module. It was unscannable at some point but the 'loophole' was removed.
Additionally there are no measures currently available to stop customs vessels in high sec scanning your ship for illegal items.
The corporate hangar can only be scanned by customs agents NPC, as far as I know, because players lack QUERY role on it. I'll test it in a bit (busy atm). |
Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
4
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Posted - 2012.01.09 18:26:00 -
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Confirm that corp hanger is not scanable by other players/pirates.
Even if they could if the ship is popped nothing drops from there. So a suicide Gank profitability can only be based on possible drops of the basic cargo hold. most suicide ganks are against ships with a cargo value much higher than the value of the ships lost in the attack making it still profitable.
However now that you do not get insurance if you are popped by Concord, suicide ganking should drop noticeably. There are still those that gank for fun not profit , like in the up coming Hulkageddon, but I am sure there will be far less suicide ganks of freighters now that the losses are not offset by the insurance payout. |
Jarnis McPieksu
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
186
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Posted - 2012.01.09 19:51:00 -
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Bugsy VanHalen wrote:
However now that you do not get insurance if you are popped by Concord, suicide ganking should drop noticeably. There are still those that gank for fun not profit , like in the up coming Hulkageddon, but I am sure there will be far less suicide ganks of freighters now that the losses are not offset by the insurance payout.
True, but only because there are far less freighters flying around with pricy enough cargo to make it profitable after writing off the cost of the alphafleet that is needed to crack one open before CONCORD goes all "whoop-whoop, space police" on the offenders.
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Tauranon
Weeesearch
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Posted - 2012.01.10 02:19:00 -
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Bugsy VanHalen wrote:
However now that you do not get insurance if you are popped by Concord, suicide ganking should drop noticeably. There are still those that gank for fun not profit , like in the up coming Hulkageddon, but I am sure there will be far less suicide ganks of freighters now that the losses are not offset by the insurance payout.
Destroyer dps was increased, and battlecruiser dps/price was increased by the new battlecruisers (at least enough researched bps are in production that the margins are small). ie the value limit for "uneconomic to gank" hasn't changed that much. About the only thing that has changed is the economics of solo ganking a hulk with a brutix, which is probably only economic for people failfitting with faction active tanks in highsec.
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Scrapyard Bob
EVE University
Ivy League
586
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Posted - 2012.01.10 03:59:00 -
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Tauranon wrote:
Destroyer dps was increased, and battlecruiser dps/price was increased by the new battlecruisers (at least enough researched bps are in production that the margins are small). ie the value limit for "uneconomic to gank" hasn't changed that much. About the only thing that has changed is the economics of solo ganking a hulk with a brutix, which is probably only economic for people failfitting with faction active tanks in highsec.
The new tier 3 BCs would have destroyed the bar for "ISK at which freighter ganks are worth doing" - which is one of the reasons that CCP rebalanced things so that insurance does not pay out if CONCORD was summoned.
Suicide-tempests were about 50-60M after insurance payment last fall. The new tier 3 BCs (Tornado especially) are also about 50-60M without insurance and do roughly the same damage.
So the magic number is still about 1B ISK in a freighter. As you go above that number, you increase the chance of getting ganked. Especially if you pass through 0.5 or 0.6 systems along major travel routes. Triple-risk if you auto-pilot along those routes with more then 1B in the cargo hold.
For small ships, wolf packs of destroyers are now a bit more dangerous (20-30%). |
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Tess La'Coil
The Dominion of Light
BLACK-MARK
9
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Posted - 2012.01.10 05:37:00 -
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Jarnis McPieksu wrote:(no idea if mining crystals are ok, I guess they might be as they are sort of "ammo" for barges)
Confirming they are indeed considered charges. |
Jarnis McPieksu
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
191
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Posted - 2012.01.10 09:28:00 -
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Tess La'Coil wrote:Jarnis McPieksu wrote:(no idea if mining crystals are ok, I guess they might be as they are sort of "ammo" for barges) Confirming they are indeed considered charges.
So, another use for Rorqual ship hangar bay; Iteron V filled with mining crystals! |
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