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N'olive Altera Odyssea Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.06.27 13:27:00 - [1] Edited by: N''olive on 27/06/2007 13:43:04 27-JUN-2007, Coalition (TCF, UNL, GOONSWARM et friends) VS Alliance (BoB, Finfleet and friends) Proud soldier in a 95 men TCF fleet, we're in 6T3 to destroy a POS. In the same system there's also an UNL fleet, and Goons, and other friends sorry I don't remember exactly, for a total of 270 blues (or maybe it was 240, not sure, forgive my memory) and couple of hostiles. Not very far we know there's many BoB & friends, as a reminder the whole Omist and Tenerifis regions are warzones. The local is prettty populated all the gates are blobbed, but it's handling fine, almost no lag. A cyno pop up on the overview, a scout is sent. It's definately hostile, our battleships and carriers stop their guns at the POS. Our support quickly warps to the jump portal, at least one bubble is launched, the overview begins to fill up with targets, 20, 30, maybe 35, all ready for the show. The local goes up to 370, lag seems ok so far, primary and secondary announced, I lock, guns are on and... nothing. My target isn't taking any damage, I can't move, no ships moves, and I don't see the rest of the fleet joining us early tacklers. Client is running at a mere 40 FPS, buttons are responding, but obviously the server do not care about me. Your typical de-sync, exciting new feature from Rev II. I'm about to CTRL+Q to try to relog when on TeamSpeak I hear that it's not possible to relog. Being in an expendable Tech1 cruiser, out of pure technical curiosity I decide to stay to see if it's gonna recover by itself or not. I try a lil' bit more to do things on the game, locking with the scanner, no luck, I clean up my desktop, sort out few papers for the company, few more clicks, then I go in the basement to get an ice cream (Coconut-Chocolate), back in front of PC, nothing new, so I launch a warp to a planet, 40 clicks just to be sure. I chat in local, we discuss the lag like educated people, at least the Eve chat is never lagging ! Then I hear my young kid in his room calling, he's thursty, I give him some water, he goes back into his sleep, I quietly return to my desk, ship is still hanging there in space after 20 minute of freeze, so enough for the testing, I quit the game, I relog pretty fast, surprising to be honest. I land on a planet with couple of hostiles interceptors, too far to catch me before I warp to the safety of our POS. Final count of wreck for us TCF, about 17, so about 15%. Our capitals (minus 1 maybe, not confirmed) managed to jump out to safety how I seriously don't know. According to the killboards... yes now to get the idea of the outcome you have to read the killboards, because being in the system won't help, so according to the killboard we lost more than the others, but it's not important, fact is that is was boring for both sides. Bob and friends held the field, the night ended like this. ------------------------- Trolls are NOT welcome here, it's a legit battle report from my point of view.
Wulfgard Minmatar Section XIII Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.06.27 13:33:00 - [2] Argh, I am starting to wonder in if instanced pvp isn't that bad of an idea... At the current state of the game, the server clearly can't handle alliance warfare
Silvestri Knights of Chaos Chaos Incarnate.	Posted - 2007.06.27 13:38:00 - [3] well that sucks. Hoping to see you guys give BoB another good blow...don't give up!
Kramer Verone Amarr TeamMX	Posted - 2007.06.27 13:40:00 - [4] This new desync prolbem is of a real concern. We all know lag, but this is described as something totally different. It was rare before, but now it happens all the time apparently.
Adoro Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.27 13:41:00 - [5] Not the first time this happends, remember JV1V? -------- Originally by: Lavinrac Krad You're either one of us or a Minmatar! What about Amarr? Bah, ha ha ha ha, Amarr, lol...
Kramer Verone Amarr TeamMX	Posted - 2007.06.27 13:41:00 - [6] Edited by: Kramer Verone on 27/06/2007 13:42:08 Originally by: Adoro Not the first time this happends, remember JV1V? That was lag, not desync. We were able to fire at ragoon at JV1V, although msot of us crashed and were not able to relog. This case is entirely different.
Adoro Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.27 13:43:00 - [7] Originally by: Kramer Verone Originally by: Adoro Not the first time this happends, remember JV1V? That was lag, not this desync. Desync is the new black in 2007... -------- Originally by: Lavinrac Krad You're either one of us or a Minmatar! What about Amarr? Bah, ha ha ha ha, Amarr, lol...
Kramer Verone Amarr TeamMX	Posted - 2007.06.27 13:44:00 - [8] Originally by: Adoro Desync is the new black in 2007... I guess, we'll have to learn to live with it, I don't believe it will be fixed any time soon.
Khayman33 Section XIII Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.06.27 13:45:00 - [9] Desync happenned long time before this patch but it was minor and some exeption ... No it seems to be more recurent
Ghost Reaper Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.27 13:56:00 - [10] it wasnt lag, it was desyncing.....blah blah blah anyone saying that is a idiot :) why do u think desyncing occurs? oh may it be the mass load on the server that causes lag hence this lag desyncs your screen. Desyncing also happens when there isnt much lag, but in fights like this, lag is the main factor for everyone. I persnal was one of the first BS in, was getting shot by a rapier and crusader that were around 2 au from me, could only see 2 friendslys and 6 hostiles, even though there was a lot more there. So i was laged and desyned, so quit *****ing, and saying ''there was no lag, it was desycing'' cause it amounts to the same thing :) Gr
N'olive Altera Odyssea Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.06.27 13:59:00 - [11] Yep I was in JV1V, and it was different, in JV1V the server was lagging and dying under the load. Now it's different, all goes well until ALL freeze, until this night (and since the Rev II patch) I witnessed it when entering in a system, could happen with only a dozen of players. This time it happened when the hostiles entered the system, was new to me. Call it lag, or desync, doesn't matter, all I know is that I saw my rupture idling on a 300+ ships battlefield for 21 minutes, it didn't blow up, it managed somehow to inflict 8000 HP to a megatron, and when I relogged it was on a location I sent it 10 minutes ago, that's all.
Boliknar The Shadow Order	Posted - 2007.06.27 14:00:00 - [12] /me Puts on tinfoil hat... How come BoB never desynchs hmmm? Seriously, This is a real problem that needs to be fixed but probably will not be... Its a feature people learn to enjoy it.
N'olive Altera Odyssea Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.06.27 14:00:00 - [13] Edited by: N''olive on 27/06/2007 14:02:31 Lol Ghost Reaper, I fired on you ! You're the only one I managed to lock and fire at congrats ! Please do not troll about XXX lag and YYY desync thanks, let's keep the topic clean thanks.
Lasakywa Aeden Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.06.27 14:00:00 - [14] Edited by: Lasakywa on 27/06/2007 14:02:43 Originally by: Ghost Reaper it wasnt lag, it was desyncing.....blah blah blah ... So you haven't seen ? Since revelation II, we have 2 or 3 desynch each day... CCP should fix this quickly In JV1V, it was Lag. In F-T It was lag. Yesterday, it was desynch. Nice PvE
Xaarist FinFleet	Posted - 2007.06.27 14:06:00 - [15] stop the "desync-bullcrap" already. it has been in the game from the start and everyone called it lag. if you got shot whilst being 2 million km away we called it lag. now everyone and his mother comes up with desync and complains. lag is the reason for your client to desync, don't you all get this into your tiny little heads? it is not new, it is not a rev 2 feature, it's just some cleverheads giving a new name to something very old. so stop hoping you'll get reimbursed if you use this expression 10000 times. nothing has changed, and hence CCP won't change their policy. server did not die and you get nothing back policy that is. i can't stand this word anymore, FFS. when did everyone forget taking it like men and come back to the battlefield in a new ship? are we fighting on the petition front already? that just plain sucks. i remember at least 3 vids from more than one year, if not two years ago which showed this, so nobody come here and state "but this time it is different, really" ever again. ---------------- Your signature image exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Sahwoolo Etoophie
Gabba The Three Hundred	Posted - 2007.06.27 14:12:00 - [16] Question for you Tau Ceti guys: See if you can find anyone in your alliance that has the opposing fleet pilots (or a lot of them) in his adresbook.
TWD TAOSP Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.27 14:15:00 - [17] Who are you asking for sympathy?
Ghost Reaper Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.27 14:17:00 - [18] if desyncing just came in this patch, howcome its been around at all the huge battles before? c-j siege comes to mind, some of our dreads were getting shot 1mil KM's away, while they were acctualy stil at the POS. Yes desycning is now more prone for watever reason with this new patch, however it isnt a new thing, it isnt a new module for bob pilots to add to while everything. And we were desycned and lagged, for whoever said wernt. Gr
Sir JoJo Minmatar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.27 14:18:00 - [19] Well atleast u whine in a better manner then u alliance leader!
N'olive Altera Odyssea Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.06.27 14:26:00 - [20] Edited by: N''olive on 27/06/2007 14:25:23 It's a battle report, it's what I saw, I don't ask for sympathy and I didn't sollicitate your stupid comments, I don't care your pathetic existences and opinions and you're a bunch of ****heads, polluting every single thread, don't you have better things to do morons ?
Ghost Reaper Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.27 14:27:00 - [21] Originally by: N'olive polluting every single thread, don't you have better things to do morons ? not since u guys keep logging off every time we want a fight Gr
N'olive Altera Odyssea Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.06.27 14:28:00 - [22] I give up, english not being my native language I fail to find words, good luck on the smack ******s, I hope you'll get an attitude one day.
N'olive Altera Odyssea Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.06.27 14:29:00 - [23] Wow, nice censorfilter, try to catch this one : R-e-t-a-r-d-s
Interval The Triad Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.27 14:30:00 - [24] I think you are seeing a "desynch" because of the anti-lag measures in Rev2. I guess that the client is rendering the action and not waiting for the server to confirm it. Now don't shoot me, but it happens a lot in WoW when it is laggy. You run through the entire zone and then the server corrects and brings you back to where you started. Something similar here I believe. But hey, you can't complain that you were completely frozen :) you could still queue commands. Next time both sides should get on IRC and play the fleet battles out with /random 1-100 primary. Whoever dies agrees to self destruct their ship when the server catched up.
BuIIseye Amarr Pax Amarria Corp	Posted - 2007.06.27 14:33:00 - [25] Originally by: N'olive Yep I was in JV1V, and it was different, in JV1V the server was lagging and dying under the load. Now it's different, all goes well until ALL freeze, until this night (and since the Rev II patch) I witnessed it when entering in a system, could happen with only a dozen of players. This time it happened when the hostiles entered the system, was new to me. Call it lag, or desync, doesn't matter, all I know is that I saw my rupture idling on a 300+ ships battlefield for 21 minutes, it didn't blow up, it managed somehow to inflict 8000 HP to a megatron, and when I relogged it was on a location I sent it 10 minutes ago, that's all. It was different to you in JV1V because you where jumping in, it was the same for the defenders like it was for you now. So ... ------------------------------ Yes i am hax0r Because of the name I have a higher chance of a wrecking shot, please don't tell the GM's or they'll nerf me =/
Malachon Draco eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.06.27 14:34:00 - [26] N'olive, you might want to edit your comments before someone reports you. Namecalling gets you warnings and bans even though its the ...... above you who are trolling and derailing the thread. ------------------------------------------------ Murphy's Golden Rule: Whoever has the gold, makes the rules.
N'olive Altera Odyssea Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.06.27 14:37:00 - [27] Edited by: N''olive on 27/06/2007 14:38:58 Yes thanks for the advice, but I don't plan on posting on those forums anymore given the local (insert any word here)... Humanity so disapoints me somedays, I deleted the OP, too bad I can't delete the whole topic myself, I hope a mod will notice and delete this whole things. I though it was possible to be serious here, I failed, my mistake.
Lord WarATron Amarr Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.27 14:40:00 - [28] You have to appriciate that Lag/Desync etc etc all these Server Issues effect all parties. There is no win button. I have had exactly the Server Issues as you on many occasions in many battles. I spent 90-95% of the time in the epic capfleet battles in 9-9 and f-t waiting on the client catching up, but I get on with life rather than write a battle report that contains very little information about the battle and is basically a anti-lag post. -- Billion Isk Mission
N'olive Altera Odyssea Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.06.27 14:41:00 - [29] Can't you read ? This topic is over.
LUKEC Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.27 14:49:00 - [30] Edited by: LUKEC on 27/06/2007 14:48:36 Originally by: N'olive Can't you read ? This topic is over. But.. but.. I wanted battlereport. I was lagged out also. Blackscreen. I think it's called desynced in french. -------- I tanked D2 capital fleet and all I got was truncated Erebus mail.
ArkulA Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.27 14:52:00 - [31] battle report (with time): - 0 min : the jump portal is open , i click on "jump" ... nothing happen - 3 min : my ship is not present on my screen, but i'm still at the pos... - 6 min : all around me had disapeared and "JUMPING" is write on my screen - 10 min : my megathron is warping (certainly due to emergency warp), nothing on Overview - 11 min : i click on "warp to" to join the fight - 16 min : i'm still on safe, it seems i can't warp - 18 min : i'm on warp, my ship slows down - 20 min : nothing on overview.. - 21 min : cool i see the TCF on my overview, but impossible to lock somebody - 23 min : i "can" lock (45sec to lock an BS... it's so long anyway..) i click on my gun to shoot this ennemy.... nothing happen - 25 min : my guns have open fire - 26 min : an raven lock me - 28 min : he succed to aggress me with cruise missile, i try to warp... nothing happen - 30 min : the raven is dead, my armor repairer don't want to stop, i'm out of capa - 32 min : the local go down, the lag seems to be best, i can now lock and fire as i want. - 40 min : end of fight... 8min of real combat :( ok, the lag was awful but it's better to be patient than disconnect your character: if you are in queue in supermarket, and you go away, don't hope to be first when you come back 30sec later...(private joke...) [gold]Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Sahwoolo Etoophie ([email protected])[/gol
Komolov Gallente REUNI0N Red Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.27 14:53:00 - [32] Originally by: Xaarist stop the "desync-bullcrap" already. it has been in the game from the start and everyone called it lag. if you got shot whilst being 2 million km away we called it lag. now everyone and his mother comes up with desync and complains. lag is the reason for your client to desync, don't you all get this into your tiny little heads? it is not new, it is not a rev 2 feature, it's just some cleverheads giving a new name to something very old. so stop hoping you'll get reimbursed if you use this expression 10000 times. nothing has changed, and hence CCP won't change their policy. server did not die and you get nothing back policy that is. i can't stand this word anymore, FFS. when did everyone forget taking it like men and come back to the battlefield in a new ship? are we fighting on the petition front already? that just plain sucks. i remember at least 3 vids from more than one year, if not two years ago which showed this, so nobody come here and state "but this time it is different, really" ever again. RevII introduced new kind of desync - group desync. Earlier same day whole RA carrier group was desynced to hell. No lag but we all have seen BoB fleet near us while warping in scouts reported that there's no hostile fleet near us. We weren't able to move but all modules was activating and deactivating ok. Only relog of whole carrier group helped to solve an issue. I don't blame BoB and don't see any concpiracy here but it is obviously new bug issue in RevII --------------------
Lasakywa Aeden Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.06.27 14:56:00 - [33] Edited by: Lasakywa on 27/06/2007 14:54:59 +1 Komolov. We have exactly the same problem several times per day. Edit : Since revelation 2
Sky Marshal Caldari	Posted - 2007.06.27 14:56:00 - [34] Edited by: Sky Marshal on 27/06/2007 15:03:12 Edited by: Sky Marshal on 27/06/2007 15:02:48 Before Revelation II, we have the lag, ie you see sometimes the overview changed, sometimes you see more red squares on the screen, or your ammo lowered, by intermittently, same if you have to wait one minute or two, like a freeze... You change the direction of your vision, difficulty because the FPS don't absorb the situation, but you can play. After Revelation II, we have the gang bug who arrives more often now, and the called "desync" problem. When I lose my BS at 20:26 Eve time, all I see on my screen was the situation at 19:55, ie I am near the POS with some TCF/UNL BS, and we shoot the POS. No ennemy around, FPS at maximum... 30 minutes with absolutely NO changes on my screen. Engines refused to work. I know by some people that I warp one time, but for my screen I was still at 0km/s near the POS, etc... I was at the same location, and state, that 30 minutes before. The only thing who had changed, was the damage message who appeared at 20:25, from an invisible ennemy, and my reaction ½ Crap, I can't save my BS now... +. 30 minutes with nothing. At least when it is lagging, I can see something happened sometimes on my interface. Yesterday, it is like I see a screenshot. Ok, a screenshot where I can change the direction to have a better view, but a screenshot. It is not a lag, it is worse, and this happens many times since Revelation II, the ½ Need for Speed + patch. All people who contest it don't see that really.
Kweel Nakashyn Minmatar Aeden Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.06.27 15:02:00 - [35] Originally by: Ghost Reaper Originally by: N'olive polluting every single thread, don't you have better things to do morons ? not since u guys keep logging off every time we want a fight Gr We pick our figths, you pick yours. I saw a lot of Bob logging of aswell for the very same reason. No popcorn for you. ----- History is made by whinners Originally by: DB Preacher (...) Ignore what the coalition muppets are saying on their forums (...)

Timmeh 2000 Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2007.06.27 15:04:00 - [36] This thread has been locked for trolling and off-topic posting. Forum Rules \| E-mail Us \| Our Web \| Petition \| IGS Rules \| CAS Rules So, is it easy being green? -Elmo "This house is your own, still living alone, it donÆt make you sad, but I think itÆs good to be green."

Herculite Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.27 15:20:00 - [37] So just so I can get the feel of it... Massive enemy forces cause lag and LV has no chance to defend a baby Titan, costing them billions and billions, but its ok because it was lag (caused by the attacking force). Massive enemy forces cause desync and lag costing a few billion and its a reason to quit the game in a temper tantrum on the general board by an alliance leader? Guys, this isn't about flaming or trolling. Lag sucked for LV and desync may have sucked for you, but its the hypocrisies about it that is bringing on the flames. EvE really needs work on the big battles, we all know this, but don't expect sympathy without consistency.

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