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Vandom
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Posted - 2007.06.27 16:32:00 -
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It's a no-brainer really. Remove the infuriating "cloaked safespotted Raven" from the game, and let players deal with farmers in 0.0. |
Cheunger
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2007.06.27 16:33:00 -
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Or you can go cry some more...
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Krugerrand
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.06.27 16:34:00 -
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at which point, they log off, wait a minute, log back on, log off again if needs be.
nothing solved.
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Abdullah al'Weyouni
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Posted - 2007.06.27 16:35:00 -
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Cry us a river! |
Vitrael
Stormriders
Fimbulwinter
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Posted - 2007.06.27 16:36:00 -
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OH NOES!
A GUY WHO CANNOT TARGET AND CAN BARELY MOVE IS SITTING INVISIBLY IN THE SAME SYSTEM AS ME!
WTFZ NEEEEEEEEERF!!!!
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duckmonster
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.27 16:38:00 -
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Nerf cloaks!
Wait no. How am I supposed to make people at stations miserable in a cloaking smartbomb battleship?
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Elmicker
The Phoenix Rising
Vigilance Infinitas
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Posted - 2007.06.27 16:42:00 -
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 Originally by: Vitrael
A GUY WHO CANNOT TARGET AND CAN BARELY MOVE IS SITTING INVISIBLY IN THE SAME SYSTEM AS ME!
How do you know? Can you see through cloaks?
He could be a safed, cloaked badger, or it could be a cloaked pilgrim 6km from your ratting raven. Or, it could be a cloaked suicide kestrel fitted with a cyno to drop a titan on your face.
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Vandom
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Posted - 2007.06.27 16:42:00 -
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Originally by: Vitrael
OH NOES!
A GUY WHO CANNOT TARGET AND CAN BARELY MOVE IS SITTING INVISIBLY IN THE SAME SYSTEM AS ME!
WTFZ NEEEEEEEEERF!!!!
Let me send you some ISK, so you can buy a clue.
Cloaking Ravens are the weapon of choice for our fellow Asian ISK farmers. Denying them that option and making their efforts in 0.0 become far more risky is a good thing. Only a farmer sympathizer, or user of their services would think otherwise, and you are neither, or are you?
re: logging in and out
The solution to that would be to extend the 15 minute aggression timer given by NPCs to the log-off timer, so that anyone who engaged an NPC in the last 15 minutes, and logs out will stay in the system to be scanned down and disposed of for said 15 minutes. |
Korizan
Oort Cloud Industries
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Posted - 2007.06.27 16:46:00 -
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Actually I am still laughing of the idea of a Cloaked Titan.
Something that never even crossed my mind till I read about it.
I just have this picture of a lone ship uncloaking a Titan.
I think the the first words from that person would say be classic 
Makes me wonder if a cloak would fit on a station 
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Dahak2150
Chaos Monkeys
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Posted - 2007.06.27 16:46:00 -
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Originally by: Vandom
Originally by: Vitrael
OH NOES!
A GUY WHO CANNOT TARGET AND CAN BARELY MOVE IS SITTING INVISIBLY IN THE SAME SYSTEM AS ME!
WTFZ NEEEEEEEEERF!!!!
Let me send you some ISK, so you can buy a clue.
Cloaking Ravens are the weapon of choice for our fellow Asian ISK farmers. Denying them that option and making their efforts in 0.0 become far more risky is a good thing. Only a farmer sympathizer, or user of their services would think otherwise, and you are neither, or are you?
That's probably the dumbest generalization I've ever heard. Yay for not being able to see past your own bigotry.
There are plenty more people out there that use cloaks who aren't farmers, and when we punish the innocent to catch the guilty, that's one hell of a slippery slope.
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Originally by: "Cyberus"
cause its has no sence anyway your brains is simply wont accept that anyway.
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Cheunger
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2007.06.27 16:49:00 -
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Originally by: Vandom
Originally by: Vitrael
OH NOES!
A GUY WHO CANNOT TARGET AND CAN BARELY MOVE IS SITTING INVISIBLY IN THE SAME SYSTEM AS ME!
WTFZ NEEEEEEEEERF!!!!
Let me send you some ISK, so you can buy a clue.
Cloaking Ravens are the weapon of choice for our fellow Asian ISK farmers. Denying them that option and making their efforts in 0.0 become far more risky is a good thing. Only a farmer sympathizer, or user of their services would think otherwise, and you are neither, or are you?
re: logging in and out
The solution to that would be to extend the 15 minute aggression timer given by NPCs to the log-off timer, so that anyone who engaged an NPC in the last 15 minutes, and logs out will stay in the system to be scanned down and disposed of for said 15 minutes.
You running to your mommy yet?
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Vitrael
Stormriders
Fimbulwinter
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Posted - 2007.06.27 16:53:00 -
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Edited by: Vitrael on 27/06/2007 16:53:34
Originally by: Vandom
Let me send you some ISK, so you can buy a clue.
Cloaking Ravens are the weapon of choice for our fellow Asian ISK farmers. Denying them that option and making their efforts in 0.0 become far more risky is a good thing. Only a farmer sympathizer, or user of their services would think otherwise, and you are neither, or are you?
No, I'm just sick of the McCarthy-esque bull**** that this forum populace generates about isk farmers. They're don't harm us any more than other 0.0 ratters do. Unlike you I have not totally descended into lunacy believing that the game will be totally undone if people buy isk. I don't care if my opponent's wallet gets fat. That means more ships for me to shoot at.
PS: have you considered how many players use cloaks who are NOT isk farmers?
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Sc0rpion
Archer Daniels Midland
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Posted - 2007.06.27 16:56:00 -
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Originally by: Elmicker
Or, it could be a cloaked suicide kestrel fitted with a cyno to drop a titan on your face.
If someone is going to go to the trouble to drop a titan on my face when I'm ratting all by my lonesome, they deserve the kill tbh.
The true secret to enjoying life is to live it dangerously.
-Friedrich Nietzsche
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Ash Donai
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Posted - 2007.06.27 17:02:00 -
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Originally by: Dahak2150
There are plenty more people out there that use cloaks who aren't farmers, and when we punish the innocent to catch the guilty, that's one hell of a slippery slope.
Really now.
Incidentally that very principle is applied each and every time CCP nerfs something. A small percentage of the EVE population abused a certain feature, so it got nerfed for everyone. Why stop now?
0.0 is supposed to be a dangerous place. However, fit a cloak and you are home free, stop by once a week with a hauler (also cloak fitted) full of ammo (even if you lose a few of those along the way, the isk loss is negligible), and you can live unchallenged in 0.0. Do you believe this to work as intended?
And yes, sorry for my bigotry, I didn't mean to single out Asian farmers, I meant to include East European and Latin American ones as well, please forgive me.
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Sha4d13
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Posted - 2007.06.27 17:12:00 -
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There is a simple solution.
Rat aggro to work the same as player aggro- ie 15 minute timer. Then non cov op cloaks can only be activated when you dont have aggro. Folk who are travelling in BSs can still use cloaks to help them be safe, you can still hide in a system- but if you are ratting, you cant instantly vanish when someone comes into the system. Easy.
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Rhaegor Stormborn
Sturmgrenadier Inc
R i s e
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Posted - 2007.06.27 17:14:00 -
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I am okay with this, but they need to fix logoffski mechanics as well.
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Cheunger
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2007.06.27 17:15:00 -
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Edited by: Cheunger on 27/06/2007 17:23:14
Originally by: Sha4d13
There is a simple solution.
Rat aggro to work the same as player aggro- ie 15 minute timer. Then non cov op cloaks can only be activated when you dont have aggro. Folk who are travelling in BSs can still use cloaks to help them be safe, you can still hide in a system- but if you are ratting, you cant instantly vanish when someone comes into the system. Easy.
So stealth bombers can't recloak after they fired their load? ...
Edit: Nvm, the thread is about BSs and BCs
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lofty29
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.06.27 17:19:00 -
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INFOD use cloaks to NPC. Do not nerf please, for we are Uber.
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Sha4d13
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Posted - 2007.06.27 17:21:00 -
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if rat aggression works for 15 minutes like player aggression- 50% of logoffski is solved too
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turnschuh
Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2007.06.27 17:23:00 -
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For the logoff problem there is a simple fix, just give aggro timer when shot by npcs.
For the cloak problem, simply add a limit on how long u can run them, after like 10minutes it gets disabled and you have to wait 1 minute to reactive it. Remove that penalty on cloaking ships (covops, recons, bombers).
For the wcs ratting problem, nerf wcs even further to 99% lock speed/range.
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Sha4d13
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Posted - 2007.06.27 17:29:00 -
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like i said above- aggro from npcs covers both problems . Its also consistent with existing mechanics and fair.
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Cheunger
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2007.06.27 17:30:00 -
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If they add agro from ratting, they should add an agro timer for it as well.
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Annuke
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.06.27 17:36:00 -
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"0.0 is supposed to be a dangerous place. However, fit a cloak and you are home free, stop by once a week with a hauler (also cloak fitted) full of ammo (even if you lose a few of those along the way, the isk loss is negligible), and you can live unchallenged in 0.0. Do you believe this to work as intended?"
errrm....ever run into a bubble camp out there? think cloak helps when you are stuck in one? Also, someone could go with cloaked bomber or cov ops and hunt the bs/bc camper out. Play dead and try to catch them ratting...call in the boys to take out. If you saw the peep, he's not gonna move that far in a bs or bc cloaked. As for a timer for cloak, isn't that why it drains cap?
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MissileRus
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Posted - 2007.06.27 17:39:00 -
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Edited by: MissileRus on 27/06/2007 17:38:19
/me stops RPing as a klingon bird of pray.. 
or was it warbird? lol >.<
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Flinx Evenstar
Minmatar
Spartan Industries
Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2007.06.27 17:44:00 -
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Originally by: Annuke
As for a timer for cloak, isn't that why it drains cap?
Ever fitted a cloak....they don't use cap
And as for sending a covert in to bust them....these Cloaking Ravens cloak when you enter local. They don't wait for you to warp to the belt 
Best way to deal with them sometimes is to sit an afk recon pilot in system...they will convo you and offer you isk eventually
A friend of mine was charging a 100mil per week each for 3 of them to rat. Easy isk, as he wasn't even at his computer 
I, erm, like kill things and stuff |
turnschuh
Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2007.06.27 17:46:00 -
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Originally by: Cheunger
If they add agro from ratting, they should add an agro timer for it as well.
agreed, aggro timer (displayed countdown) in 0.0 to know when its (relative) save to log off is realy needed.
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PostWithYourMain
Main Corporation
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Posted - 2007.06.27 17:48:00 -
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Originally by: Vandom
It's a no-brainer really. Remove the infuriating "cloaked safespotted Raven" from the game, and let players deal with farmers in 0.0.
Yes. Disallow battleships and battlecruisers from using cloaks and let capital ships still be able to use them.
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Onchas Erivvia
Black Eclipse Corp
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Posted - 2007.06.27 17:52:00 -
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Thanks to our friends in IAC we spend a great deal of time farmer-hunting and the cloak is far less of a deal than the tactical logoffski.
The best chance to get them is when they don't notice you in system, so having them take longer to lock with the cloak fitted and online is kinda of a good thing really. It keeps a lot more Recons that have them warpscrambled alive.
So, for the benefit of NPC-farmer-hunters, please don't remove the cloak. It's not anywhere near as much of a problem as logging off, and actually provides some benefits.
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Teh Onchinator'
Personal Assistant to MrsPitman
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Mari Onette
Amarr
Gottland Production Transport Mines
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Posted - 2007.06.27 17:59:00 -
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No. All ships can fit cloaks. All ships should be able to fit cloaks.
The nerf you seek is making prototype and improved cloaking devices not immune to probes, and it will be implimented soon.
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Princess Jodi
Vendetta Underground
Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.06.27 18:47:00 -
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*sigh*
Do we have to explain this again?
Your complaint about cloaked ships has a counter. They are ratting. You can:
1: Camp the gates out and catch them when they leave full of loot.
2: Rat there yourself in greater numbers.
3: Scan down their hauler, if they use one, and kill it.
4: Put an AFK cloaked ship in system and make them paranoid. (The one thing that needs to be nerfed about cloaks. It should not be possible to remain cloaked 23/7)
5: Go Gank someone else. You are, after all, just looking for an easy kill, right? I seriously doubt you will be looking for an even fight.
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