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maCH'EttE Veto. Academy	Posted - 2007.06.27 19:58:00 - [1] Well, I was thinking about learning to play the guitar. Again... I used to own a decent acoustic and I learned most of the chords, but was pretty poor at it. I was thinking of starting over trying to learn, and a friend suggested an electric would be easier to learn on. Anyway, was looking around teh eBayage and saw some interesting looking deals. I was wondering if anyone had any advice, not just on which type to go for, but general beginner advice? The best way to learn to play? Books to buy / sites to visit, etc...? Originally by: Devil Hanzo (ISD) I got pwned [by maCH]! Sigeh?
Krulla Minmatar Queens of the Stone Age Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.06.27 20:07:00 - [2] Edited by: Krulla on 27/06/2007 20:06:52 This is how I learned to play the bass: 1) Get bass 2) Play Bass 2b) (Optional) Get some instruction from a teacher (recommended) 3) Don't stop 4) Get really really good 5) If you reach stage 4 you're probably a professional musician and won't stop anyway. That about covers the whole musical instrument learning process. instruction, which I highly reccomend.
Micheal Dietrich	Posted - 2007.06.27 20:07:00 - [3] I used to own a Kramer MK4 and a Ibanez 7 string myself but never really got into practicing much. Personally for learning books I always went with the numbers instead of the notes to read by, just made it easier. Personally if your just gonna do a simple sit down and practice whenever I would just go with a cheap guitar (friend sold me the kramer for like $75), a 50 watt amp and possible a step by step book that comes with a cd/dvd.
Krulla Minmatar Queens of the Stone Age Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.06.27 20:10:00 - [4] Edited by: Krulla on 27/06/2007 20:09:37 Originally by: Micheal Dietrich I used to own a Kramer MK4 and a Ibanez 7 string myself but never really got into practicing much. Personally for learning books I always went with the numbers instead of the notes to read by, just made it easier. Personally if your just gonna do a simple sit down and practice whenever I would just go with a cheap guitar (friend sold me the kramer for like $75), a 50 watt amp and possible a step by step book that comes with a cd/dvd. Self teaching books, and "learn 2 play guitar lolol" DvDs are worthless. Especially the DvDs. Some of the books are helpful for learning basic song structures and scales, but that's about it. Nothing in them you couldn't find on the interbutts anyway. The hardest part is first building up the strength in the hands to be able to play for a good while without feeling sore, and learning music theory. Technique just comes with a lot of practice.
Krulla Minmatar Queens of the Stone Age Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.06.27 20:16:00 - [5] And finally, regarding what to go for, I'd suggest at first buying a low-mid end guitar. Nothing that's absolute junk (And do not not not not buy one of those deals with a guitar and small amp packaged together. Those are without a exception crap), but not great either. Stay away from Fenders when you start. I mean, seriously, Fenders are good, but you can get a much much better starter guitar for half the price. If you later on try some fenders and like them, cool, get one, but fenders are overpriced as all hell and way too many people go for them just because of the label. I'd suggest getting a good, solid guitar for 400$-600$. Also, when buying, if you have a mate who plays, ask him to come along with you and help you pick. When you're starting out, you have no idea what makes a good guitar, and will most likely buy rubbish that just happened to look good.
maCH'EttE Veto. Academy	Posted - 2007.06.27 20:22:00 - [6] Ok, so if you don't recommend books or DVDs to learn from, can you suggest a good alternative? Assume I live in the middle of freekin' nowhere and hiring a teacher isn't an option ATM. Originally by: Devil Hanzo (ISD) I got pwned [by maCH]! Sigeh?
Krulla Minmatar Queens of the Stone Age Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.06.27 20:25:00 - [7] Originally by: maCH'EttE Ok, so if you don't recommend books or DVDs to learn from, can you suggest a good alternative? Assume I live in the middle of freekin' nowhere and hiring a teacher isn't an option ATM. There's metric arsetons of stuff on the net. I'd recommend maybe picking up one or two of these books though.. just be sure to ask your music store staff about which are good. The simplest method most people use is simply trying and playing songs they like. It works, and will get you good enough for your average garage band in a few months. Just don't get frustrated if you can't play stuff immediately. It will come with time.
Khadur Minmatar Spontaneous Defenestration	Posted - 2007.06.27 20:38:00 - [8] Where is kaeten!!
RedFall Irreligion	Posted - 2007.06.27 20:43:00 - [9] Originally by: maCH'EttE Ok, so if you don't recommend books or DVDs to learn from, can you suggest a good alternative? Assume I live in the middle of freekin' nowhere and hiring a teacher isn't an option ATM. I was in the same boat a few years ago too. I wanted to learn to play guitar and I was all by myself. Trust me with this (buy these or torrent 'em, I don't care): Fretboard Logic I, II, III: This is, imo, the best book on guitars ever made. The book lays out the how and why the guitar is what it is and it really opened my eyes on how to play. Iron Maiden: This was the best band that I could find to learn to play guitar on. Their music is somewhat simple, and you can actually sound good playing it after a couple of hours. Just search for their ascii tabs online or torrent the tab books and buy/torrent one of their best-of cds (Live in Rio is good). Metronome: The best way to get faster. I could explain it, but if you google it or search on guitar sites you should be able to find out how to use it to increase your speed, strength, dexterity, control and stamina. This is enough to get you started. Just keep on playing and trying new things. Don't buy books like "Guitar for Dummies" or crap like that. They are a waste of money.
Krulla Minmatar Queens of the Stone Age Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.06.27 20:48:00 - [10] Originally by: RedFall Iron Maiden: This was the best band that I could find to learn to play guitar on. Their music is somewhat simple, and you can actually sound good playing it after a couple of hours. Just search for their ascii tabs online or torrent the tab books and buy/torrent one of their best-of cds (Live in Rio is good). Heh, hell yes, Maiden. I broke my bass-teeth on they're bass lines. I also really really recommend a program called Guitar Pro 5. You can find it illegally, or it costs about 30$. You can download music files for it (www.ultimate-guitar.com is very good), and they show you the notes, tablature, etc while it plays the song. You can also do all kind of stuff like play the song slower, repeat one bit over and over, etc. It's a really great program, wether you're a noob or a pro. My band's guitarist even uses it to write his songs.
RedFall Irreligion	Posted - 2007.06.27 20:51:00 - [11] Originally by: Krulla I also really really recommend a program called Guitar Pro 5. You can find it illegally, or it costs about 30$. You can download music files for it (www.ultimate-guitar.com is very good), and they show you the notes, tablature, etc while it plays the song. You can also do all kind of stuff like play the song slower, repeat one bit over and over, etc. It's a really great program, wether you're a noob or a pro. My band's guitarist even uses it to write his songs. I was actually going to recommend this too but I got tired of typing. Yes I have this program too and it's really good for transcribing tabs. Before I used GP5 I had a dozen notebooks filled with tab scribbles.
Bosie Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.06.27 21:03:00 - [12] Books and DvD;s mate that is the way I did it. "There is a forgotten, nay almost forbidden word, which means more to me than any other. That word is ENGLAND."
Miss Anthropy School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2007.06.27 22:01:00 - [13] Edited by: Miss Anthropy on 27/06/2007 22:01:59 Edited by: Miss Anthropy on 27/06/2007 22:01:04 Don't listen to Krulla about Fenders (although the rest of his advice is sound). Fenders are incredibly versatile guitars and can cover a huge range of musical genres. People don't buy them because of the name, they buy them because of the sound. There's 3 types of Fender available; American made (the most expensive), Japanese made (mid range and also quite hard to find) and Mexican made (the cheapest Fenders available). I'd recommend having a browse round some local music stores and trying out some Mexican Strats or Teles. Stratocasters can cover everything from Blues to Light/Medium Rock. The pickups aren't really designed for heavy metal though. Telecasters are kinda ugly in my opinion; like a slab of wood with a neck attached. But they're pretty versatile too and can cover Country (they're famous for that country twang sound) and hard rock (but again, not heavy metal). If you're looking for a heavy metal sound then you'd really want to get an Ibanez if you're on a budget. Gibsons are stupidly overpriced (although their new Les Paul BFG looks pretty good and is the same price as an American made Fender). As for learning the guitar, well, I taught myself really. I had a couple of lessons from a drug addict when I was 13 but he was freaky so I bought a book of chord structures and just learned them. The last few months though I've been learning via a website called Next Level Guitar. They teach you songs via video. And there's a good selection to learn from too. The song learning videos are free to watch. The site also has a subscription based learning program which will teach you chords, scales and advanced guitar stuff. (But if you hunt around on the web you can get scales elsewhere, and chords). I hope that helps. To be honest, actual guitar make and model preference is a matter of personal opinion. I like Fenders, Krulla doesn't. Find a guitar you like in a local store and have a play on it. Two things you should look for; the feel of the guitar and the sound. If it feels comfortable to play, doesn't annoy you and also sounds great then you've got your match. Anything else and you'll have a nightmare setting it up the way you like it. Don't waste money on a guitar you don't want to pick up and play everyday. It's like a girlfriend; if you're not going to want to touch it, then there's no point having it. Hope that helps.
Big Al The Aftermath	Posted - 2007.06.27 22:25:00 - [14] Pro Tip: The louder you play the better you will think you sound. I agree on the bass route, my pinky is screwed up which prevents me from playing the guitar very well. No matter what you do the most important thing to do is practice, you won't become great overnight.
Constantine Arcanum IMPERIAL SENATE	Posted - 2007.06.28 00:37:00 - [15] Edited by: Constantine Arcanum on 28/06/2007 00:38:50 Originally by: maCH'EttE Ok, so if you don't recommend books or DVDs to learn from, can you suggest a good alternative? Assume I live in the middle of freekin' nowhere and hiring a teacher isn't an option ATM. Get a fender squier stratocaster in a package with an amp for about ú150, and just remember 1 finger per fret. Learn to read tablature over the net (easy to pick up and read, no musical knowledge required) and play simple songs. PLAY SLOWLY at first though. Download a good online metronome too, they'll help. Rinse and repeat :) EDIT: If you're determined to stick at guitar try a Gibson Les Paul BFG or something, they're good guitars and not all that expensive compared to the other Les Pauls. Thanks to whoever suggested I should get that- in the end I got a Gibson Explorer :)
Krulla Minmatar Queens of the Stone Age Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.06.28 00:58:00 - [16] Edited by: Krulla on 28/06/2007 00:58:26 Originally by: Miss Anthropy Edited by: Miss Anthropy on 27/06/2007 22:01:59 Edited by: Miss Anthropy on 27/06/2007 22:01:04 Don't listen to Krulla about Fenders (although the rest of his advice is sound). Fenders are incredibly versatile guitars and can cover a huge range of musical genres. People don't buy them because of the name, they buy them because of the sound. I agree, Fenders are incredibly good guitars, but for a newbie who's just starting to play there's better deals. Fenders are overpriced, that much is certain. You can get a better mid-range guitar for the same price. ESPs, for instance (Well, they call the lower end ones LTD) are in my opinion the best bar none low and mid end guitars for the price. Also, I stick to my advice not to buy one of those ****ty amp-guitar combo packs. The better a instrument you get, the more you will enjoy playing. EDIT; Also, at first, get something with as wide a neck and wide frets as you can. It's more forgiving for someone who is starting out. Thinner necks are great for fast playing, such as metal, but they are not as forgiving as wider ones. Usually, a Fender or a Fender copy will have a very wide neck.
Chronus26 Gallente Team Laser Explosion Molotov Coalition	Posted - 2007.06.28 02:41:00 - [17] If possible, getting a teacher from the beginning is definatly the best route in my oppinion. Teaching yourself leads to sloppy technique which is much harder to correct after playing for a while. It is true that some famous guitarists never took lessons, although they usualy have a 'unique' way of playing... -----
Miss Anthropy School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2007.06.28 10:07:00 - [18] Originally by: Chronus26 If possible, getting a teacher from the beginning is definatly the best route in my oppinion. Teaching yourself leads to sloppy technique which is much harder to correct after playing for a while. It is true that some famous guitarists never took lessons, although they usualy have a 'unique' way of playing... Actually learning from a teacher can cause sloppy technique too (and lack of inventiveness). I have small hands and playing bar chords was a nightmare for me until I saw how Hendrix did it. He covers the strings with his thumb rather than bars it with his index finger. Jimi taught himself to play and, although he had huge hands (he could bar a whole fret with his thumb alone) this method works great for smaller hands too. Guitar playing is as individual as the guitarist. Technique freaks lack creativity because they're limited by convention. Not everyone has the same size hands so the same techniques won't work for everyone. Also, you have to ask yourself why you're learning to play. Are you learning specifically to join a band and/or become a professional musician? Or is it just a hobby to amuse yourself? I'm the latter. I play for myself, by myself (although many years ago I was in a band for while but that never worked out).
IDesert FoxI Unknown-Heroes	Posted - 2007.06.28 10:22:00 - [19] Originally by: Krulla Originally by: RedFall Iron Maiden: This was the best band that I could find to learn to play guitar on. Their music is somewhat simple, and you can actually sound good playing it after a couple of hours. Just search for their ascii tabs online or torrent the tab books and buy/torrent one of their best-of cds (Live in Rio is good). Heh, hell yes, Maiden. I broke my bass-teeth on they're bass lines. I also really really recommend a program called Guitar Pro 5. You can find it illegally, or it costs about 30$. You can download music files for it (www.ultimate-guitar.com is very good), and they show you the notes, tablature, etc while it plays the song. You can also do all kind of stuff like play the song slower, repeat one bit over and over, etc. It's a really great program, wether you're a noob or a pro. My band's guitarist even uses it to write his songs. Funnily enough, this is what I am using to learn to play bass! I love Iron Maiden. I'm trying to perfect 'The Wicker man' and 'The Trooper' atm. Love both songs. I would agree that trying to learn to play some of your favourite bands songs from tabs available on the net (or from books) is a good way to start, as you probably know what it is meant to sound like, so you know if you go horribly wrong. _________________________________________ EVE Tribune
Krulla Minmatar Queens of the Stone Age Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.06.28 15:01:00 - [20] Originally by: IDesert FoxI Originally by: Krulla Originally by: RedFall Iron Maiden: This was the best band that I could find to learn to play guitar on. Their music is somewhat simple, and you can actually sound good playing it after a couple of hours. Just search for their ascii tabs online or torrent the tab books and buy/torrent one of their best-of cds (Live in Rio is good). Heh, hell yes, Maiden. I broke my bass-teeth on they're bass lines. I also really really recommend a program called Guitar Pro 5. You can find it illegally, or it costs about 30$. You can download music files for it (www.ultimate-guitar.com is very good), and they show you the notes, tablature, etc while it plays the song. You can also do all kind of stuff like play the song slower, repeat one bit over and over, etc. It's a really great program, wether you're a noob or a pro. My band's guitarist even uses it to write his songs. Funnily enough, this is what I am using to learn to play bass! I love Iron Maiden. I'm trying to perfect 'The Wicker man' and 'The Trooper' atm. Love both songs. I would agree that trying to learn to play some of your favourite bands songs from tabs available on the net (or from books) is a good way to start, as you probably know what it is meant to sound like, so you know if you go horribly wrong. Please tell me you're using your fingers. Using a pick to play Iron Maiden songs makes Steve Harris cry.
Wrayeth Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.06.28 16:45:00 - [21] Edited by: Wrayeth on 28/06/2007 16:48:41 A few other things regarding guitar and amp choice: First and foremost, some guitars are easier to play than others in one situation, but not in another. For instance, the strings on Les Pauls tend to be a lot closer together than you'd find on other models; this results in some wicked action as far as soloing goes, but it's also really easy to fat-finger an extra string when playing chords. In regards to your general sound, it may take you a while to find what you're looking for. Both your guitar and your amplifier have an effect on your sound, and it will take endless experimentation to find the exact combination you like. Hell, I've been playing (badly) for about fifteen years and still haven't managed to find the right amp within my price range, though I've discovered I absolutely love the Les Paul (I own a Gibson Epiphone Les Paul Custom). -Wrayeth n00b Extraordinaire "Look, pa! I just contributed absolutely nothing to this thread!"
IDesert FoxI Unknown-Heroes	Posted - 2007.06.28 19:18:00 - [22] Originally by: Krulla Please tell me you're using your fingers. Using a pick to play Iron Maiden songs makes Steve Harris cry. Of course I am! Much to the criticisms of my guitar playing brother I might add. I've been using my fingers from the start as I feel that using a pick is awkward anyway. _________________________________________ EVE Tribune
maCH'EttE Veto. Academy	Posted - 2007.06.28 19:59:00 - [23] Anyone know much about the 'Squier' by Fender guitars? I understand they're made by Fender and are basically, cheaper versions? What do you think? Recommended for a beginner? Originally by: Devil Hanzo (ISD) I got pwned [by maCH]! Sigeh?
Big Al The Aftermath	Posted - 2007.06.28 20:08:00 - [24] Originally by: maCH'EttE Anyone know much about the 'Squier' by Fender guitars? I understand they're made by Fender and are basically, cheaper versions? What do you think? Recommended for a beginner? They are basically made in Mexico instead of the US with (generally) inferior materials. In general they are ok, especially if you are just starting off. I've got a Mexican p-bass that held up quite well - although the difference in quality between it and an American Standard is quite large. If you order it from somewhere just make sure you actually go to a shop and play a few (or at least hold them, check the quality of the action) before buying.
Krulla Minmatar Queens of the Stone Age Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.06.28 23:47:00 - [25] Edited by: Krulla on 28/06/2007 23:47:26 Originally by: IDesert FoxI Originally by: Krulla Please tell me you're using your fingers. Using a pick to play Iron Maiden songs makes Steve Harris cry. Of course I am! Much to the criticisms of my guitar playing brother I might add. I've been using my fingers from the start as I feel that using a pick is awkward anyway. I was the same at first. About a year ago I started using picks as well.. now I use my fingers for melodic, soft stuff, or when I need to be all over the fingerboard. Using a pick you can play faster and it isn't as tiring, however, so it's ideal for a lot of metal where the bass line is basically one note, really really really really fast.
IDesert FoxI Unknown-Heroes	Posted - 2007.06.29 00:00:00 - [26] Originally by: Krulla I was the same at first. About a year ago I started using picks as well.. now I use my fingers for melodic, soft stuff, or when I need to be all over the fingerboard. Using a pick you can play faster and it isn't as tiring, however, so it's ideal for a lot of metal where the bass line is basically one note, really really really really fast. I've only been playing a couple of months now, and so I leapt straight into playing Maiden as I love their songs, and I knew that Steve Harris never plays with a pick, and so I thought, if he plays maiden without a pick, thats obviously the way to play it! I just find that using a pick is really slow atm and I can't master it. Teaching yourself is hard. _________________________________________ EVE Tribune
forsight Gallente Twisted Attitude Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2007.06.29 00:26:00 - [27] d
maccrat	Posted - 2007.06.29 00:27:00 - [28] i play too :) geif cookie
Krulla Minmatar Queens of the Stone Age Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.06.29 01:21:00 - [29] Edited by: Krulla on 29/06/2007 01:22:40 Originally by: IDesert FoxI Originally by: Krulla I was the same at first. About a year ago I started using picks as well.. now I use my fingers for melodic, soft stuff, or when I need to be all over the fingerboard. Using a pick you can play faster and it isn't as tiring, however, so it's ideal for a lot of metal where the bass line is basically one note, really really really really fast. I've only been playing a couple of months now, and so I leapt straight into playing Maiden as I love their songs, and I knew that Steve Harris never plays with a pick, and so I thought, if he plays maiden without a pick, thats obviously the way to play it! I just find that using a pick is really slow atm and I can't master it. Teaching yourself is hard. It's funny, that's exactly what I thought when I started. Steve Harris is a really really great bassist, but the stuff he does isn't particularly fast. To pull stuff like Dragonforce off, you need a pick. Picks also have the benefit of having a more punchy sound, and since one of the problems metal bassists face is actually being heard, this goes a long way towards explaining why picks are more common in metal. ..Unless of course you're someone like Steve Digiorgio and are completely bat**** insane and use three fingers like that, but I never could get the hang of it. I'm not saying playing with a pick is "better", but it has it's merits. I personally think playing with your fingers is a lot more versatile and can give you a more unique sound. Playing with a pick can often be the easy way out.
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