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Adm Tecumseh
Caldari Frequently Asked Questions
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Posted - 2007.07.03 20:12:00 -
[121]
Originally by: Mihailo Great
Originally by: paracidic
If you have dirty laundry you want aired out convo me in private.
As for calling us out in public. We have resisted all invaders to south feyth. We fought until ascn was dead and cls packed up and moved to empire. By that point, Gil, you and DS1 were long gone. You took your Cap ships and left. Having never fired a capital round in anger.
We have not gone and name called other x-ascn corps, we have never blamed anyone or made fun of the decisions that they made. We hold no hard feeling whatsoever, But some of you must be blaming CoRM for the fall of ASCN by the way you carry on. It wasn't us that abandoned azn and took everything to fountain. It wasn't us who bragged of having the biggest capital Fleet in eve yet failed at any and every point to use it effectively. It wasn't us that bragged of having 10's of billions in the bank for war stores. It wasn't us who let the sov fall in 0OY. However it was us that put up road blockes in k-9 and c-p everyday forcing large battles with DICE. It was us that managed to get almost every CoRM player online to fight in tcag and tpar. It was us that used our few cap ships to retake gq2. It seems that everyone in this game blames CoRM for the demise of their heart and soul.
For that I wish to apoligise. We are sorry that so many ex-ascn corps have lost their spirit, drive and cohesiveness. We feel badly that CoRM is stronger now then it was before. Again I am sorry that your entire ability as corps and ceo's depended on CoRM and CoRM's success and/or failures. Yes we rolled over and died.
Just ask
Gekidiko, Ka-tet TCF ( we like those guys they are fun) UNL Goonswarm and RA.
How many of them receieved our requests for surrender?
Remember Gil, You lead your corp, it's sucesses and failures are your burden. And to lash out at people that have never indicted you showes the stress your burden is causing you. Step aside if the burden is too heavy.
0.0 is not the place for war dec's and this forum is not the place to prove worth. You have called us out. We are waiting.
I respect you for your previously demonstrated levelheadedness however comments like this and some others you have posted are wearing what little respect you have thin.
Paracidic
Hello crazy person, show me where Gilbert has said these things. He is not leading DS1 neither. Coocoo coocoo
He just said let's shoot corm (this is a pvp game right?), and you're all like "OH GOD PLEASE DON'T [CRYING].
I bet your family tree looks like a telephone pole right? After all he said to Gil that CoRM were waiting.
Why not go and start another threatnaught? I bet this is just like when the dev broke into CEO Pyrex's corp and then.................fixed something.
HAHAHA and you called Paracidic crazy, that was the most sane post here. This is a thread about STK and all their BS not about CoRM and BoB, But here we go again.
You cannot change facts, no matter how much spin you put on it. BoB is good and goons suck urine directly from the source.
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Adm Tecumseh
Caldari Frequently Asked Questions
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Posted - 2007.07.03 20:16:00 -
[122]
Edited by: Adm Tecumseh on 03/07/2007 20:27:20 Edited by: Adm Tecumseh on 03/07/2007 20:16:09
Originally by: Helen
Originally by: paracidic
It wasn't us that abandoned azn and took everything to fountain.
F*ck it I'll bite, who abandoned azn and took everything to fountian?
stuff
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Helen
STK Scientific
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Posted - 2007.07.03 20:33:00 -
[123]
Originally by: Adm Tecumseh Edited by: Adm Tecumseh on 03/07/2007 20:16:09
Originally by: Helen
Originally by: paracidic
It wasn't us that abandoned azn and took everything to fountain.
F*ck it I'll bite, who abandoned azn and took everything to fountian?
Funny out of all that was written all you saw was that.
F*ck it I will tell you. STK price gouged ASCN members for 2 years and when things were looking bad they abandoned AZN to go to fountian and put up a few POS's. I can't even remember if you cowards managed to pop any BoB pos's while you were there. Then BoB came home from azn and booted you out again where you ran somewhere else. And now you have run again.
I am so glad STK is not in my employment history. The shame would be staggering.
I'm sorry we didn't pay people to have our 425 T2 railguns or subside their quite staggering ship loss's. I'm also sorry you seem to have a massive chip on your shoulder and think that because someone said on this forum of all places that we took everything to Fountain everyone believed that. Ask DB Preacher or any other BoB dread pilot what they had to do to get STK out of AZN, if you think we went Fountain after losing AZN then your quite shamefully mistaken or deluded I'm not quite sure.
Flame on because all that matters is STK did what it could but in the end keeping a shed of an alliance like ASCN breathing was a waste of isk and time. Long as my corp members have fun I couldn't give a crap what timewasters thought. Have fun. o/
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With JudgeReinhold
Gallente Legal Team
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Posted - 2007.07.03 23:44:00 -
[124]
Originally by: Adm Tecumseh
Originally by: Mihailo Great
Originally by: paracidic
If you have dirty laundry you want aired out convo me in private.
As for calling us out in public. We have resisted all invaders to south feyth. We fought until ascn was dead and cls packed up and moved to empire. By that point, Gil, you and DS1 were long gone. You took your Cap ships and left. Having never fired a capital round in anger.
We have not gone and name called other x-ascn corps, we have never blamed anyone or made fun of the decisions that they made. We hold no hard feeling whatsoever, But some of you must be blaming CoRM for the fall of ASCN by the way you carry on. It wasn't us that abandoned azn and took everything to fountain. It wasn't us who bragged of having the biggest capital Fleet in eve yet failed at any and every point to use it effectively. It wasn't us that bragged of having 10's of billions in the bank for war stores. It wasn't us who let the sov fall in 0OY. However it was us that put up road blockes in k-9 and c-p everyday forcing large battles with DICE. It was us that managed to get almost every CoRM player online to fight in tcag and tpar. It was us that used our few cap ships to retake gq2. It seems that everyone in this game blames CoRM for the demise of their heart and soul.
For that I wish to apoligise. We are sorry that so many ex-ascn corps have lost their spirit, drive and cohesiveness. We feel badly that CoRM is stronger now then it was before. Again I am sorry that your entire ability as corps and ceo's depended on CoRM and CoRM's success and/or failures. Yes we rolled over and died.
Just ask
Gekidiko, Ka-tet TCF ( we like those guys they are fun) UNL Goonswarm and RA.
How many of them receieved our requests for surrender?
Remember Gil, You lead your corp, it's sucesses and failures are your burden. And to lash out at people that have never indicted you showes the stress your burden is causing you. Step aside if the burden is too heavy.
0.0 is not the place for war dec's and this forum is not the place to prove worth. You have called us out. We are waiting.
I respect you for your previously demonstrated levelheadedness however comments like this and some others you have posted are wearing what little respect you have thin.
Paracidic
Hello crazy person, show me where Gilbert has said these things. He is not leading DS1 neither. Coocoo coocoo
He just said let's shoot corm (this is a pvp game right?), and you're all like "OH GOD PLEASE DON'T [CRYING].
I bet your family tree looks like a telephone pole right? After all he said to Gil that CoRM were waiting.
Why not go and start another threatnaught? I bet this is just like when the dev broke into CEO Pyrex's corp and then.................fixed something.
HAHAHA and you called Paracidic crazy, that was the most sane post here. This is a thread about STK and all their BS not about CoRM and BoB, But here we go again.
You cannot change facts, no matter how much spin you put on it. BoB is good and goons suck urine directly from the source.
It became about CoRM when they accused DS1 of shaming the memory of ASCN by working with Goonswarm against BoB.
I was told that wasn't hypocritical but I still don't understand how ???
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doctorstupid2
Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2007.07.04 00:35:00 -
[125]
Originally by: With JudgeReinhold It became about CoRM when they accused DS1 of shaming the memory of ASCN by working with Goonswarm against BoB.
I was told that wasn't hypocritical but I still don't understand how ???
Politics in eve revolve more around "who screwed me over most recently" than anything else. Makes for a pretty interesting and dynamic political climate, albeit quite difficult to keep up with. Personally I try not to pay too much attention, hurts my dense little head
Steel Rat > if they only knew we make this **** up as we go |
Adm Tecumseh
Caldari Frequently Asked Questions
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Posted - 2007.07.04 00:39:00 -
[126]
Edited by: Adm Tecumseh on 04/07/2007 00:39:29
Originally by: With JudgeReinhold
It became about CoRM when they accused DS1 of shaming the memory of ASCN by working with Goonswarm against BoB.
I was told that wasn't hypocritical but I still don't understand how ???
Thats right With judgeReinholt, you wouldn't understand. There is no way you could understand. Your too much of a wannabe. ASCN was so against RA and Goonies that it is hypocracy to see them(ds1) fighting along side them, But seeing that they didn't ever really fight for ASCN it is no real surprise.
Helen,
You and your corp left azn and went to fountain just about the same time as gq2 fell for the second time. I know, I know............. Cyvok ordered your corp there as a distraction. I mean at this point you could make any excuse you want for why you ordered your Corp to bail out of ascn and azn 2 full months before the end of the war. It was, as it always was, about the isk.
Good luck M.Pire I hope you dont put all your chips in that basket. They will bail on you when stuff gets hot and blame it on what?? Boredom Not a great team. Crappy region????
Finally I save my favorite for last.
Gobby the Knobby
You have nothing to say here or anywhere. You bailed out of ASCN 3 months before the end of the war showing extreme cowardice in the face of stiff opposition. You blamed everyone around you for your failures as a FC and as a person with integrity.
Yet somehow you think that with the passage of 6 months since the end of that war you somehow have the approriate level of personal intergrity that you can call down other people. Everyone who was there knows your a loser and a coward. You cannot not accept responsiblity for your own failures and cannot face facts.
Everyone was so good to you when you left. Saying nice things about you. But you have totally shown your true colors....................yellow with yellow stripes.
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Star Wolf
Edge Tech
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Posted - 2007.07.04 00:45:00 -
[127]
Originally by: Cassiuss
Star's chatlogs of me were faked, he is a horrible person and may he rot for his actions. Corp thievery on any level with any intention is just that. Thievery. Star you tried your best to slander my name on these forums. STK and myself will continue to have a good but distant relationship and you will never ruin that.
Cass,
I knew you could be a hard a** and *****, but I never thought you would openly lie about this. I've lost any respect I had left for you, you're just trying to save your reputation.
A warning from a corp thief, the chat logs in question are as real as they get. If you think I'm bad, Cass makes me look like a saint. If he was as valuable as he thinks, why is he not still there.
I've said this before, everything that I've said has come true and I have NO reason to lie, it gains me nothing.
STAR
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Star Wolf
Edge Tech
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Posted - 2007.07.04 01:16:00 -
[128]
Edited by: Star Wolf on 04/07/2007 01:16:51
Originally by: Adm Tecumseh
Funny out of all that was written all you saw was that.
F*ck it I will tell you. STK price gouged ASCN members for 2 years and when things were looking bad they abandoned AZN to go to fountian and put up a few POS's. I can't even remember if you cowards managed to pop any BoB pos's while you were there. Then BoB came home from azn and booted you out again where you ran somewhere else. And now you have run again.
I am so glad STK is not in my employment history. The shame would be staggering.
Sorry, can't let this one go...STK was in ASCN as an industrialist corp and that's what they did, and did it well. They have since tried change a PVP corp. STK built hundreds of dreads/carriers for the alliance production that An Angel and crew ran. And when things hit the fan, no one showed up in those ships. If STK gouged on some things on the market, which I don't think anymore than anyone else, they did it to keep production going for the people who sat in the station with there capitals or already had hidden them in empire.
I was there for over 20 hours during the first invasion in azn and watched every one of our towers go into reinforced while managing stront and no capitals or support fleet to even stop them. Bob didn't even bring in a support fleet for there own dreads, because everyone had left. Badfish and others spent many days sneaking things out past the Bob camps because our assets were still there.
STK stayed until the end and left some bit of resources there because we stayed a little too long. Unlike corps like CLS that got there's out week's before BOB's invasion, and the only thing I could get from leadership was, a corp has to protect it's assets. I thought an alliance was supposed to protect itself, but who knew.
STAR
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DeltaH
NOBODY Inc.
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Posted - 2007.07.04 01:24:00 -
[129]
Originally by: Helen Ask DB Preacher or any other BoB dread pilot what they had to do to get STK out of AZN, if you think we went Fountain after losing AZN then your quite shamefully mistaken or deluded I'm not quite sure.
STK ruined my Christmas '06.
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Helen
STK Scientific
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Posted - 2007.07.04 05:34:00 -
[130]
Originally by: Adm Tecumseh Edited by: Adm Tecumseh on 04/07/2007 00:39:29
Originally by: With JudgeReinhold
It became about CoRM when they accused DS1 of shaming the memory of ASCN by working with Goonswarm against BoB.
I was told that wasn't hypocritical but I still don't understand how ???
Thats right With judgeReinholt, you wouldn't understand. There is no way you could understand. Your too much of a wannabe. ASCN was so against RA and Goonies that it is hypocracy to see them(ds1) fighting along side them, But seeing that they didn't ever really fight for ASCN it is no real surprise.
Helen,
You and your corp left azn and went to fountain just about the same time as gq2 fell for the second time. I know, I know............. Cyvok ordered your corp there as a distraction. I mean at this point you could make any excuse you want for why you ordered your Corp to bail out of ascn and azn 2 full months before the end of the war. It was, as it always was, about the isk.
Good luck M.Pire I hope you dont put all your chips in that basket. They will bail on you when stuff gets hot and blame it on what?? Boredom Not a great team. Crappy region????
Finally I save my favorite for last.
Gobby the Knobby
You have nothing to say here or anywhere. You bailed out of ASCN 3 months before the end of the war showing extreme cowardice in the face of stiff opposition. You blamed everyone around you for your failures as a FC and as a person with integrity.
Yet somehow you think that with the passage of 6 months since the end of that war you somehow have the approriate level of personal intergrity that you can call down other people. Everyone who was there knows your a loser and a coward. You cannot not accept responsiblity for your own failures and cannot face facts.
Everyone was so good to you when you left. Saying nice things about you. But you have totally shown your true colors....................yellow with yellow stripes.
Coming from someone who's entire alliance surrendered to -A- I'm quite stunned at the hypocrisy.
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Drakma
Gekidoku Koroshiya Buntai
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Posted - 2007.07.04 05:59:00 -
[131]
Yup, the last 3 pages of this thread are pretty much why ASCN failed.
Time to move on guys. ASCN was a failure; no need to beat this already pulped, pureed, liquid horse.
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Thoric Frosthammer
Fallen Angels Inc INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.07.04 06:10:00 -
[132]
Originally by: Drakma Yup, the last 3 pages of this thread are pretty much why ASCN failed.
Time to move on guys. ASCN was a failure; no need to beat this already pulped, pureed, liquid horse.
Somewhere, that post is in the dictionary as the definition of "ironic". Found any BoB spies lately Dra(k)ma?
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Malachon Draco
eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.07.04 07:18:00 -
[133]
Originally by: Adm Tecumseh Edited by: Adm Tecumseh on 04/07/2007 00:39:29
Originally by: With JudgeReinhold
It became about CoRM when they accused DS1 of shaming the memory of ASCN by working with Goonswarm against BoB.
I was told that wasn't hypocritical but I still don't understand how ???
Thats right With judgeReinholt, you wouldn't understand. There is no way you could understand. Your too much of a wannabe. ASCN was so against RA and Goonies that it is hypocracy to see them(ds1) fighting along side them, But seeing that they didn't ever really fight for ASCN it is no real surprise.
ASCN never had strong feelings about the Goons. If I recall correctly, when the **** hit the fan for Goons in Syndicate, Cyvok said he was gonna set them neutral from blue, but he didn't like bandwagons, but if people felt personally hurt by the Smoske stuff they could go out and shoot them. Don't see how that could be construed as serious dislike.
With RA, ASCN participated in exactly ONE operation against them in C-J. One weekend. On request by LV. How is that 'serious dislike'? And any dislike for RA was expunged when we watched LV turn into BoB-buddies. If anything, I think quite a few former ASCN appreciate RAGOON's dismantling of LV after they sided with BoB.
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Helen,
You and your corp left azn and went to fountain just about the same time as gq2 fell for the second time. I know, I know............. Cyvok ordered your corp there as a distraction. I mean at this point you could make any excuse you want for why you ordered your Corp to bail out of ascn and azn 2 full months before the end of the war. It was, as it always was, about the isk.
Good luck M.Pire I hope you dont put all your chips in that basket. They will bail on you when stuff gets hot and blame it on what?? Boredom Not a great team. Crappy region????
Finally I save my favorite for last.
Not getting into the whole STK/ASCN BoB-war thing. As far as I know they were asked to go to Fountain, and in any case I can't say STK performed any worse than many other ASCN Corps during the war.
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Gobby the Knobby
You have nothing to say here or anywhere. You bailed out of ASCN 3 months before the end of the war showing extreme cowardice in the face of stiff opposition. You blamed everyone around you for your failures as a FC and as a person with integrity.
Yet somehow you think that with the passage of 6 months since the end of that war you somehow have the approriate level of personal intergrity that you can call down other people. Everyone who was there knows your a loser and a coward. You cannot not accept responsiblity for your own failures and cannot face facts.
Everyone was so good to you when you left. Saying nice things about you. But you have totally shown your true colors....................yellow with yellow stripes.
Bull****. I've known Gob for quite a while now, and I know how fed up he got with the goings-on in ASCN. And on top of that Gob got blamed for the total failure of ASCN High Command to come up with any kind of decent strategy. That burned him out. You obviously know nothing about what went on. We were sad, perhaps a bit disappointed when Gob left back then, but blame? Hell no.
------------------------------------------------ Murphy's Golden Rule: Whoever has the gold, makes the rules.
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Chib
Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2007.07.04 07:56:00 -
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i dont think ascn a failure i just think BoB > ASCN
i mean look at all the shiny OP's they built ...when ascn forst formed it had some good pvprs ....then i think they joined bob (or the ones i knew anyways) ---------------------------------------------
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Goberth Ludwig
eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.07.04 09:06:00 -
[135]
Originally by: Adm Tecumseh
Gobby the Knobby
You have nothing to say here or anywhere. You bailed out of ASCN 3 months before the end of the war showing extreme cowardice in the face of stiff opposition. You blamed everyone around you for your failures as a FC and as a person with integrity.
Yet somehow you think that with the passage of 6 months since the end of that war you somehow have the approriate level of personal intergrity that you can call down other people. Everyone who was there knows your a loser and a coward. You cannot not accept responsiblity for your own failures and cannot face facts.
Everyone was so good to you when you left. Saying nice things about you. But you have totally shown your true colors....................yellow with yellow stripes.
Have we even ever flown together? Not sure about the cowardice but the day I left was the one it was me, hayes' alt and 2 more guys sitting alone in some paragon soul pos watching 57 bobbites take the place (and hayes the nub exited the shields and got popped by a phoneix =p).
Second when calling someone out on the forums it is good practice to do your homeworks, my employment list suggests I left at 22/11. AZN fell 1 month later at xmass and it was over well before that.
Third, it would be easy for me to simply state that I never blamed anyone else for my mistakes or for failures, instead I'll just ask you to kindly show me one instance of me laying blames of my own mistakes on others please :)
And last, your employment list says you were in axe, what do you know about ascn anyway and why do you care so much about it?
Have a nice day =)
- Gob
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Admiral Hayes
Caldari Confederation of Red Moon Red Moon Federation
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Posted - 2007.07.04 12:08:00 -
[136]
Edited by: Admiral Hayes on 04/07/2007 12:12:36 o/
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Bacci Galu
Confederation of Red Moon Red Moon Federation
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Posted - 2007.07.04 15:51:00 -
[137]
I love you helen.......
(rolls on floor laughing at all the people in this thread)
and to all those diggin up the ol ascn days,ffs build a bridge, get over it, stop carring on like married women, and lets kill each other instead.
Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed dimensions of 400x120 pixels - Tallan ([email protected])
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sophisticatedlimabean
Gallente FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.04 17:30:00 -
[138]
WOW another ascn thread lol.
Ok it failed cos the pvp worked for the industry not the other way around. ok?, got that?, u sure?.
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Princess Voodoo
FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.04 19:38:00 -
[139]
OMG!!!!
I am contacting local authorities.
BoB Pet > Goon *****
any day sir.
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Drakma
Gekidoku Koroshiya Buntai
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Posted - 2007.07.04 21:16:00 -
[140]
Originally by: Thoric Frosthammer
Originally by: Drakma Yup, the last 3 pages of this thread are pretty much why ASCN failed.
Time to move on guys. ASCN was a failure; no need to beat this already pulped, pureed, liquid horse.
Somewhere, that post is in the dictionary as the definition of "ironic". Found any BoB spies lately Dra(k)ma?
I've moved on, have you?
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Goberth Ludwig
eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.07.04 21:44:00 -
[141]
Originally by: Drakma
Originally by: Thoric Frosthammer
Originally by: Drakma Yup, the last 3 pages of this thread are pretty much why ASCN failed.
Time to move on guys. ASCN was a failure; no need to beat this already pulped, pureed, liquid horse.
Somewhere, that post is in the dictionary as the definition of "ironic". Found any BoB spies lately Dra(k)ma?
I've moved on, have you?
Nope I havent. Does it mean I cannot get the much coveted eve-o Respect?
- Gob
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MuthaTrucka
Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp. Valainaloce
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Posted - 2007.07.04 22:09:00 -
[142]
Can't be an ASCN thread without me.
--------------- Don't Call me a Carebear, I don't really care about much at all.
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Temerlyn
Minmatar STK Scientific M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.07.05 09:15:00 -
[143]
I am amazed this thread has got to this point.
Now about the question of honor and STK joining the So called BoB side. Doesn't matter if it is true or not its all irrelevant.
Not one alliance of decent worth has approached us to join them. Alliances we thought might be have shown to be the same as ASCN was. More blues than anyone could imagine and we were sick of that. Then we had the issue of certain corps within the alliance treating us like crap. Mind you it is justified for we produced some ego as our pvp ability was better than anyone else in RULES, you can tell that by TS discipline and the fact that 60+ % of the gangs were STK. By no means we are the greatest and we have a long path to go down for that but we have come out of some major confrontations and learned that eve is a PVP game and nothing else. Everything else in eve leads to pvp, understand that and your survivability increases.
We wouldn't join goons if asked as they are perceived as children and prone to act like 5 year olds. Be that the acts of few portrayed for the whole alliance that is soemthing they have attached to them. Not to mention we are ex ascn so they wouldn't aproach us anyway.
RA are russians mainly and we dont speak their language. They apear to me to be a decent pvp force and alliance who havn't delved into eve-o crap and let their actions speak for themselves. Albiet no aproach there.
Invictus treated us like lowest rank corp within the alliance even though we had more pvp pilots than any other corp and had an industrial might to supply their alliance with capitals yet we couldn't even get an OP office.
We, surprisingly gave RULE 20 bill to build an OP when we joined in good faith and to show we wanted it to work. But again we supplied up to 80% of the pvpers in gangs on many occasions. We couldn't shoot anyone cause they were all blue. RULES actions were dictated by other alliances and the leadership of RULE bent over and took it up the ass, a leadership of which we had no representation.
By no means am i going to say MPyre is better, except they gave us an office and have f loads of reds instead of blues. They seem to have teeth and that is what we desire.
The final note is that with all the items stolen all you did was hand us over to the enemy. Had we a chance to build a decent amount of MS's and support carriers/dreads we may have found a home some where else alot less BoB.
Yes we were going to leave RULE, we just didn't know where to go. As you stole our **** it changed our game and we said **** it sick of the crap, we just want pew pew.
Its all about pew pew now, don't care anymore. If we are going to constantly get ****** over because of politics then no more. No one is free from our wrath, your all enemies because EvE is about Pew Pew, pure and simple.
Respect to those who bring it and not hide in stations.
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Ace Frehley
Minmatar Trinity Nova KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.05 09:36:00 -
[144]
I just wanna add; that voltron is tha sexh _______________________________________________
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Drake Mezcal
eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.07.05 09:50:00 -
[145]
Edited by: Drake Mezcal on 05/07/2007 09:49:46 quack
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Murina
Gallente FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.05 09:59:00 -
[146]
Im confused i thought BOB royaly boned ASCN are ppl now sayin if some of these guys had stayed ASCN would have won?.
Please explain cos every battle report i read said that ASCN had the numbers but were totaly out classed in virtualy every important engagment right from the start. And apart from a few unimportant battles being won they folded due to the fact that industry was the focus not pvp.
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Temerlyn
Minmatar STK Scientific M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.07.05 10:39:00 -
[147]
We were outclassed, not saying we didn't have good pvpers but we just didn't have enough and especially those in charge.
Our alliance went down hill way before BoB came, it was only revealed when BoB came a knocking.
The exact thing that killed us was the non aggressive stance of ASCN. Without war one cannot sharpen their teeth. We became blunt and realized it to late.
Again, Eve is pvp and nothing more, everything else is a means to that. Every alliance that sets up sovereignty, capitals will just watch it go down in flames as they try and cut themselves of from the rest of the world and have a false reality that sov will make them immune to attacks.
Might is right.
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Murina
Gallente FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.05 11:00:00 -
[148]
Edited by: Murina on 05/07/2007 11:04:37
Originally by: Temerlyn We were outclassed, not saying we didn't have good pvpers but we just didn't have enough and especially those in charge.
Our alliance went down hill way before BoB came, it was only revealed when BoB came a knocking.
The exact thing that killed us was the non aggressive stance of ASCN. Without war one cannot sharpen their teeth. We became blunt and realized it to late.
Again, Eve is pvp and nothing more, everything else is a means to that. Every alliance that sets up sovereignty, capitals will just watch it go down in flames as they try and cut themselves of from the rest of the world and have a false reality that sov will make them immune to attacks.
Might is right.
M8 ive been sayin that for ages but ppl do not listen. To many soft touch industrial ppl thinking to make a quick buck before moving on to the next 0.0 area to start again.
Or worse the carrier pilots or builders that are the worst kind of parasite bringing up or building mods and ships and selling them at super inflated prices to the guys fighting just to make money off a war.
There are proly uber rich industry ppl in bob space right now laughing at the short sightedness of other alliances industry guys. Laughing because moving home finding another and then getting booted out again over and over must cost loads of profit in time wasted.
But i doubt most miners/industry guys can see the big picture of holding space first then having a long term relativly safe area to do there stuff in.
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Temerlyn
Minmatar STK Scientific M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.07.05 12:12:00 -
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And if people realized such things then they know our decisions are based on circumstance and a desire to make our every growing pvp base happy.
Alot of industrialists turned to pvp after ascn and many haven't looked back.
We dont choose a side anymore, we go where the players in STK would most likely want to go. RULE cant, maybe MPyre can give what we need.
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Murina
Gallente FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.05 15:07:00 -
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M8 go where the fighting is its what i do.
Ive only just finished reading this entire thread and there are a couple of points id like to know.
Cos ive never been much of a forum reader or poster until reciently id like to know;
Who this guy is who everybody keeps calling a thief and what he stole.
How anybody thinks that the comings and goings of a single corp signifys the betrayal of ASCN an alliance that is long dead.
Also how some of the posts here think that if, say X alliance had stayed in ASCN how it would have made a differance to the result of the war.
Oh and what is with all this PET business. Im with FATAL atm we do not pay anybody for our space but it seems we are pets?.
In fact we fought along side MC to conquer the area and were paid for doing it with 2 outposts.
I understand some ppl's need to disrespect an enemy out of fear or to insult them hoping to get them to leave (psyco warfare or whatever).
But after leaving LV we tried to distance ourselves from both sides BOB and RA/goon. I wont go into details but after building a outpost (witch for what was realy still a pvp corp was a hard toil and outside help was needed because we just did'nt have anybody with the skills to build or lay a egg or create a alliance for that matter).
We were set upon by so called ra/goon pets calling us a vangaurd of a BOB invasion and that BOB wanted the drone area to stage into ra/goon's back door?????. LOL like BOB needed us to invade or even wanted the drone regions.
Anyway after a long fight we sold the place and seeing as it looked like wherever we were gonna go we were gonna get labeled a VANGAURD FOR BOB we decided to be one and at least benifit from it.
So in fact we got paid for fighting not the otherway around hehe does that make BOB our pets?????.
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