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THE LEGION OF STEEL WARRIORS....
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.06.30 11:10:00 -
[31]
 Originally by: Dark Shikari
They'd just fit stabs.
Get a dictor
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tommit
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Posted - 2007.06.30 11:10:00 -
[32]
Originally by: market scout3
thats:
every 0.0 npc have 1 point scramble strength at least.
when hunter jump into,farmers cant warp away imm and will give hunter enough time for location.
this will give more pvp fun for 0.0 too.
why is it that if people dont want to pvp all the time you want to force them?! WTF get the head out of your behinds and be reasonable...
its so stupid that your trying to force every one to be a damn smuck, just have to play the eve to annoy every one else and every one that you can gank..
leave them the f alone, and let them play the game out of pvp, find some pvpers to fight instead, so both of you have fun instead of trying to force non pvp type players out.
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Ogdru Jahad
Amarr
Hookers and Black Jack
Flaming Hookers
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Posted - 2007.06.30 11:11:00 -
[33]
Originally by: market scout3
thats:
every 0.0 npc have 1 point scramble strength at least.
when hunter jump into,farmers cant warp away imm and will give hunter enough time for location.
this will give more pvp fun for 0.0 too.
How about....
1. post with your bloody main.
2. use the game mechanics to kills them.
3. get some *****ers and cheese to go with your whine.
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Eamz
Endgame.
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Posted - 2007.06.30 11:49:00 -
[34]
Originally by: Ogdru Jahad
Originally by: market scout3
thats:
every 0.0 npc have 1 point scramble strength at least.
when hunter jump into,farmers cant warp away imm and will give hunter enough time for location.
this will give more pvp fun for 0.0 too.
How about....
1. post with your bloody main.
2. use the game mechanics to kills them.
3. get some *****ers and cheese to go with your whine.
I think hes suggesting that its too difficult with the current game mechanics. And i agree, i think all rats below bs should scramble, there should be a 3 or 4 minute aggro timer, and cloakers should be able to be probed. Yes, more regular npcer's will die but thats worth it considering ISK farmers would be completely ruined.
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Sprzedawczyk
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Posted - 2007.06.30 13:34:00 -
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First of all, macro ratters, macro miners and ISK sellers in generally are easily dealt with. Stop saying to the contary, because that only makes them stronger.
CCP wants to hear that isk sellers are impossible to delat with, becuase this way don't have to do anything and sill have valid excuse.
ISK sellers want hear that, because it makes them stronger.
Truth is, isk selling operations (and by extension, macroing) are easiest mmo problems to be dealt with- you just:
- go after the money
- kill the market (mostly done, convo limit, price increase to finish them off).
- let the players deal with surviviors (make macro hunting a game content:D)
You might thing that the macroers will adapt and up the stakes, but you will be wrong. They're here for the money and the moment it becomes nonprofitable they will all move to competition product(WOW, muahahha).
PS, I loved the longer(like, super long 15mins!) npc-aggro limits for non-alliance players in sov systems. Finally a solution that would put blame and responsibility for their constellations on alliance's shoulders. With macroer-hunting being that easy, no alliance would have an excuse for toleration macroers on it's terrain.
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Gabriel Karade
Celtic Anarchy
Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.06.30 13:46:00 -
[36]
Beef up the spawns to at least the old levels (Exodus), if not beyond.
NPC'ing in 0.0 is now ridiculously easy, almost never any scrambling NPC's and Battleships that deal out sub-cruiser level damage... you shouldn't be able to solo multiple Battleship spawns with a noob in a Raven...
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Fswd
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Posted - 2007.06.30 14:02:00 -
[37]
Why does everyone have to post with their main anyway? So that you can grief them ingame if their opinion does not stroke with yours? That is play I would expect from a spoiled 13yo btw.
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Mama Hauler
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Posted - 2007.07.02 10:28:00 -
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what about
eg. you have -4 standing with guristas, that means that there is 40% chance that u'll get scrambled by guristas frigs,destroyers,cruisers
well, something like this:
from 10 to -1 standing with that faction corp which u're npcing - 0% that u'll get scrambled
from -1 to -2 standing with that bla bla bla bla - 10% that u'll get scrambled
from -2 to -3 standing bla bla bla - 20%
from -3 to -4 bla bla bla - 30%
from -4 to -5 ....... - 40%
and etc, since all isk farmers farms alot, they'd have their standing with that faction corp very low, like -7 or even -9 which means 60% or 80% scrambling chance, well, ofcourse this would effect people who're npcing to make isks for themselves, but it wont effect them hard since not everyone has like -8 standing with faction corps.
Another similiar idea:
same with standing but without scrambling.
eg:
from 10 to -1 standing with that faction corp which u're npcing - 0 minutes agression from rats.
from -1 to -2 standing with that bla bla bla bla - 1 minute aggresion timer from rats
from -2 to -3 standing bla bla bla - 2minutes aggro
etc.. u got the idea, as i said, all isk farmers has bad standing with rats corps so it will give pvpers like 6-7 minutes to probe and kill them before aggression, this wont effect non-farming npcers coz they dont log off everytime they see neutral or hostile comming through.
About cloacks: nerf them, make possible to probe out cloacked ships or just make a penalty for bs's
eg: if you fit cloack on ur bs, cloack has chance to overload, i mean chance to turn off itself and become inactive like for 5minutes or so. Or just set a timer like 5min max cloacked in bs, then cloack automaticaly turns offline of just inactive for 10mins or smth.
well, those are my ideas, i know, my english sucks, but i hope u get the idea 
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Cpt Branko
Guardian Heroes
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Posted - 2007.07.02 10:34:00 -
[39]
Originally by: Le Bon
In such cases they will just logoffski. The only people whome will get hurt by this "feature" would be your average run of the day player who rats occasionally. Bad idea imho.
Logofski while scrambled is a no-no. It means, no emergency warp. What is very bad for you ;P
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Aramendel
Amarr
Coreli Corporation
Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.07.02 11:07:00 -
[40]
Edited by: Aramendel on 02/07/2007 11:15:45
Originally by: Dark Shikari
They'd just fit stabs.
If *every* NPC has 1 point that will be of no real use. If you fit more than 2-3 stabs a) your dps will get very low and b) you will take ages to lock stuff.
They can fit one or two stabs without an performance loss, but that won't be enough.
Originally by: Ogdru Jahad
2. use the game mechanics to kills them.
WTB game mechanics which allow your to attack a cloaked ship at a safe or which allow you to probe down and kill a ship which logs the second you enter the system and vanishes after 2 mins.
Originally by: tommit
why is it that if people dont want to pvp all the time you want to force them?!
Firstly, it's not about PvP. It's about controlling your 0.0 area. Secondly, farmer do not want to not want to "pvp all the time" they want to PvP never ever. They just want to sit there and farming.
And, yes, that is hurting you. Everyone. You know why stuff keeps getting more and more expensive? Because we keep getting more and more isk into the system. Isk farmers are a major contributor to this inflation.
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Frogzuk
Dragonian Freelancers
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Posted - 2007.07.02 11:24:00 -
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i have said it before and i will say it again
1) stop buying the god damn isk = no market
2) prevent npc corp players from flying certain ships thus forcing them to create their own corp enableing others to war dec them
And yes ccp need to act faster to remove them from game. Its a long time since i had my free trial, but does the system require a valid dd / credit card before you can use the trial ? this would remove a high percentage of those players that create trial accounts purely for the puropos of isk farming.
these guys are ruining the game !
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Lucky 8
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Posted - 2007.07.02 11:34:00 -
[42]
Originally by: Galk
Originally by: Toria Nynys
CCP is doing the right things with the ISK for GTC secure trade program, education of people as to the eebils of macros/h4xors/spammers and dedicating an obscene amount of GM time to handling these issues.
Sorry but the evil is the culture of 'buying isk'
While their programme is obviously aimed at cutting the farmer/isk sellers out the equation for our benefit(in relation to the game), and their benefit.. to corner the rmt conversion for themselfs, it does nothing but promote the dirty culture that plagues online persistant worlds.
QFT! Fight the buyers before CCP introduce Exchange ServersÖ.
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Aramendel
Amarr
Coreli Corporation
Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.07.02 11:36:00 -
[43]
Originally by: Frogzuk
1) stop buying the god damn isk = no market
Not enforceable, does not work. You might as well ask people in real life to "stop stealing" and see if the number of robberies goes down.
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2) prevent npc corp players from flying certain ships thus forcing them to create their own corp enableing others to war dec them
Since we are talking about 0.0 farmers this is utterly pointless because you can attack them there anyway.
If they would not use the current game mechanics to make themselves virtualyl unattackable, that is.
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Cadiz
Caldari
No Quarter.
Vae Victis.
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Posted - 2007.07.02 11:50:00 -
[44]
Funnily enough, a lot of the macro-ratters up north won't instacloak when you enter local, especially if you happen to be in a corp blue to them. So we just kill them, and we're going to keep killing them until we go away. In the meanwhile I welcome the stockpile of Arbalest siege launchers and t2 BCUs they are donating to us.
That aside, if you're ratting yourself, you can always just start ratting in the system they're in. Hopefully they've got some chains set up (although most of the time they suck - they're not terribly efficient at choosing BS spawns to chain!), and they're just going to stay safespotted & cloaked while you're in local. If they try to change systems...well, that's where friends on the gate with bubbles/dictors are useful.
However, it is true that they are only out here because there's a market for the stuff, and that's the real evil that needs to be gutted like a fish.
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Pilok Shitfly
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.07.02 12:40:00 -
[45]
Originally by: Ogdru Jahad
How about....
1. post with your bloody main.
And that would be better because.....?
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Aramendel
Amarr
Coreli Corporation
Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.07.02 13:18:00 -
[46]
Originally by: Cadiz
Funnily enough, a lot of the macro-ratters up north won't instacloak when you enter local, but only if you happen to be in a corp blue to them.
Fixed. Now we only need a way to make them set us to blue standing and keep that after we killed a few of them.
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Cadiz
Caldari
No Quarter.
Vae Victis.
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Posted - 2007.07.02 14:20:00 -
[47]
Originally by: Aramendel
Originally by: Cadiz
Funnily enough, a lot of the macro-ratters up north won't instacloak when you enter local, but only if you happen to be in a corp blue to them.
Fixed. Now we only need a way to make them set us to blue standing and keep that after we killed a few of them.
Actually, I was just chasing one around that was in the State War Academy and appeared to have no cloak whatsoever. Wasn't able to catch him because he had stabs, but I did run after him through several belts and even after I lost track of him he was still on scanner, which suggests he was just safespotted and not cloaked - if he had a cloak, I imagine he would've done so.
I need a personal interdictor lackey with me at all times. 
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Director, No Quarter
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Cleopatrra
Gallente
Swag Co.
Endless Horizon
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Posted - 2007.07.02 16:08:00 -
[48]
Um this is a dumb post but 3 things come to mind on this one.
1. ITS 0.0 SPACE
2. So just go blow them up
3. If you cant catch them in 0 you really suck as a tackler
That is all
Swag Co.We Build the stuff you Steal
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Lithalnas
Amarr
Hadean Drive Yards
Archaean Cooperative
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Posted - 2007.07.02 16:15:00 -
[49]
Originally by: Cleopatrra
Um this is a dumb post but 3 things come to mind on this one.
1. ITS 0.0 SPACE
2. So just go blow them up
3. If you cant catch them in 0 you really suck as a tackler
That is all
they are gone the instant local changes.
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Hadean Drive Yards
The EvE inflation, 80 Macro miners, 1.5b isk/day |
Aramendel
Amarr
Coreli Corporation
Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.07.02 17:28:00 -
[50]
Originally by: Cadiz
Actually, I was just chasing one around that was in the State War Academy and appeared to have no cloak whatsoever.
There are a few now and then, but for every one of those there are 9 which do the cloak. Or simply log when you enter local.
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Immy Nalt
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Posted - 2007.07.02 17:43:00 -
[51]
Originally by: Aramendel
Originally by: Frogzuk
1) stop buying the god damn isk = no market
Not enforceable, does not work. You might as well ask people in real life to "stop stealing" and see if the number of robberies goes down.
Not really a good analogy, think of it more as ******* supply and demand. Colombia only makes Marching PowderÖ cos so many North Americans love to march.
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Hunin
Minmatar
EVE Empowerment League Navy
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.07.02 18:10:00 -
[52]
Originally by: Aramendel
Edited by: Aramendel on 02/07/2007 11:15:45
Originally by: Dark Shikari
They'd just fit stabs.
If *every* NPC has 1 point that will be of no real use. If you fit more than 2-3 stabs a) your dps will get very low and b) you will take ages to lock stuff.
They can fit one or two stabs without an performance loss, but that won't be enough.
Actually they won't fit stabs at all. It'll just stop everyone who wants to use close range weapons to kill rats in 0.0 or lowsec. The 6 cruise ravens won't be affected at all. You can sit 60km+ and kill the rats.
Originally by: Aramendel
Originally by: Ogdru Jahad
2. use the game mechanics to kills them.
WTB game mechanics which allow your to attack a cloaked ship at a safe or which allow you to probe down and kill a ship which logs the second you enter the system and vanishes after 2 mins.
So would I. Cloaked ships are a pain when recons and stealth bombers constantly grief. I want to kill them in my BC!!!
Originally by: Aramendel
Originally by: tommit
why is it that if people dont want to pvp all the time you want to force them?!
Firstly, it's not about PvP. It's about controlling your 0.0 area. Secondly, farmer do not want to not want to "pvp all the time" they want to PvP never ever. They just want to sit there and farming.
And, yes, that is hurting you. Everyone. You know why stuff keeps getting more and more expensive? Because we keep getting more and more isk into the system. Isk farmers are a major contributor to this inflation.
Well, buersew PVPs some actually. Look at the FIX killboard to see their kills. Rokh and Typhoon are not bad for their corp. Linky
Well, reducing the NPC bounties in 0.0 will hurt the 0.0 alliances as much or more than the ISK farmers. CCP needs to actively enforce their EULA and investigate the ISK sellers and ISK buyers. This is the root cause of the problem and the only way it will stop.
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Hellspawn01
Amarr
Falcon Advanced Industries
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Posted - 2007.07.02 18:10:00 -
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0.0 farmers cant farm all day. Either they need to dock to unload their cargo or need ammo or whatever. That should be your primary goal. Find farmers, locate the nearest station that they could use and then you have a better chance to catch them.
NPC frigs scramble is worse enough. Some ppl like to do some solo stuff in 0.0 and would get a serious nerf there so a 0.0 alliance could catch a real player without fitting scramblers (in belts).
As for the issue about catching 0.0 ISK farmers, think about what happens after they log out. Ship warps out, alt gets logged in, add alt to buddy list and main, log out and have a friend watch them (communicate over TS or alt) and wait till the alt logs. Then you log in and wait for the main to log in and then you have another few mins to locate him. Rinse and repeat till you have his location pinned down. Either its fun for you to find them or you just slow them down which means an actual losss to them. Your choice.
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Loyal Servant
Caldari
Farmer Killers
United Corporations Against Macros
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Posted - 2007.07.02 18:59:00 -
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OK .. I will bite.
BOB will not blue UCAM
IAC will not blue UCAM
RA will not blue UCAM
CVA will not blue UCAM
These 4 off the top of my head have the highest concentration of isk farmers in game.
Delve, 'drone' regions, Providence, Catch, etc.
Macrointel is compromised by shills, mostly for IAC and BOB.
When the mere mention of farmers in delve or other BOB controlled spaces the shills speak up.
Same for IAC.
Don't think you have isk farmers? Let UCAM have a look and blue us.
We will not shoot legit players and most of us are quite experienced at tracking and exposing isk farmers
This is too hard for BOB, IAC, CVA, and RA because it is income lost for these alliances.
Alliance leaders should be held accountable just as much because we report isk farmers *with proof* to their liaison, diplomats, and to them directly and are often ignored or even threatened.
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voogru
Gallente
Massive Damage
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Posted - 2007.07.02 19:12:00 -
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I noticed how it's only now that people really care about the farmers now that it's really bad.
When I've been saying it all along now.
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Loyal Servant
Caldari
Farmer Killers
United Corporations Against Macros
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Posted - 2007.07.02 19:19:00 -
[56]
Originally by: voogru
I noticed how it's only now that people really care about the farmers now that it's really bad.
When I've been saying it all along now.
You and me both.
I am glad that your on my side, voogru :)
What has it been for me? 14 or 15 months now ganking isk farmers?
*sigh*
I have not seen it this bad ever, however.
There have been some big wars in eve, a lot of isk down the tubes.
I think we all know where this isk is going.
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Lisento Slaven
Amarr
Vendetta Underground
Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.07.02 19:32:00 -
[57]
Are we talking about macroers, people who sell isk for $, or just people who make isk in 0.0?
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Buford Early
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2007.07.02 19:38:00 -
[58]
Make this a sticky plz, because it is not always on the first page 
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Loyal Servant
Caldari
Farmer Killers
United Corporations Against Macros
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Posted - 2007.07.02 19:39:00 -
[59]
Originally by: Lisento Slaven
Are we talking about macroers, people who sell isk for $, or just people who make isk in 0.0?
People who sell isk for cash.
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Buford Early
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2007.07.02 19:47:00 -
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Edited by: Buford Early on 02/07/2007 19:47:23
Originally by: Loyal Servant
Originally by: Lisento Slaven
Are we talking about macroers, people who sell isk for $, or just people who make isk in 0.0?
People who sell isk for cash.
Ppl who sell AND buy ISK are the problem IMHO!
Ingame ISK transfers should somehow be monitored. Either you should only be able to transfer ISK via the market, or CCP should do something like what they did with the GTC system. I'm not very fond of the whole GTC thingy, but this new system actually works!
I don't mind if someone else pays my monthly subscription.
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