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Nicodemos	Posted - 2007.06.30 13:24:00 - [1] Hello Eve-Community. GUARD will reset all standings to end of Downtime at 01st of July 2007. All those who set us blue, please note that this standing won't be mutual anymore after the named point of time. We will disband this alliance within the next days because of internal problems. Thank you all for the fun we had and remind we will ever see us twice in Eve, next time maybe under a new Banner. We whould like also to thank those which have been shown as real friends in the hard times we had in the recent past. We will never forgett you guys! Thank you and kind regards, Nicodemos Head Diplomat of the G.U.A.R.D. Alliance. GUARD Alliance
David Hope Gallente Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.30 14:35:00 - [2] You're in need of a corp ticker.
ghosttr Amarr ARK-CORP FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.30 15:19:00 - [3] Well it was fun fighting in 8-2 Hope to see some of you on our side in the near future . Critical hits boost Amarr damage
Nazdarovie Minmatar Macabre Votum INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.06.30 17:04:00 - [4] Edited by: Nazdarovie on 30/06/2007 17:02:49 Best of luck guys our war was good fun smack free and well fought by guard
Jamus Gorrelius Macabre Votum INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.06.30 17:43:00 - [5] Good luck in the future guys, and a well fought battle by all accounts, due to r/l couldn't make it.
gabrial1 Repo Industries	Posted - 2007.06.30 20:15:00 - [6] Internal Problems LOL. Just wanted to say I told ya so. si vis pacem, para bellum
wimmste Jagdkommando Phoenix Allianz	Posted - 2007.07.01 05:46:00 - [7] Edited by: wimmste on 01/07/2007 05:44:37 Good Luck Guys, hope we see you fighting again on our side.
HoIIy Smoke	Posted - 2007.07.01 09:10:00 - [8] All the best guard, You earned respect. fly safe, Nicodemos good luck mate, never did get your corpse and the rumoured 20mil that was offered by virt :)) Hope you all make it in whichever directions you go though.
Vel Jong German Attack Squad G.U.A.R.D.	Posted - 2007.07.01 10:14:00 - [9] Good luck to all, we will see us again ;) Vel
Krem daBrut Marquie-X Corp	Posted - 2007.07.01 11:43:00 - [10] o7 Hope we will again fight on the same side.
Goberth Ludwig eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.07.01 22:42:00 - [11] Good like guard you were a good fight in 8-2 o7 - Gob Now with 20% extra emo!
Mathew Chandra	Posted - 2007.07.02 07:01:00 - [12] Edited by: Mathew Chandra on 02/07/2007 07:00:18 good luck to ya all. Was a great war and an honor to fight on your side :) Mathew Chandra Marquie-X Corp
Icke Carter Gallente Marquie-X Corp Ultima Rati0	Posted - 2007.07.02 07:27:00 - [13] good luck to all af you. we had mutch fun with you. Fly save. Member of "Ultima Ratio"
AndreasB Gallente The Knighthawks FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.02 07:51:00 - [14] Good luck on your new journeys GUARD. I enjoyed fighting against you in 8-2. May your fights always be smackfree. [url=http://j-op.tickyticky.net/killboard/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=40552] [/url]
Marcus Taron Minmatar Marquie-X Corp Ultima Rati0	Posted - 2007.07.02 09:08:00 - [15] o7 Good luck on your ways. It was an honor to fight at your side!
Lizhia Gallente Macabre Votum INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.07.02 09:17:00 - [16] Its gods punishment for that damn bubble you always kept on the 8-2 gate! Lost me a hauly to rats there :'( Anyways.. Good lucks!
hysteretic Marquie-X Corp Ultima Rati0	Posted - 2007.07.02 12:37:00 - [17] good luck, m8s! o7 "the quickest way of ending a war is to lose it" George Orwell
Zhula Guixgrixks	Posted - 2007.07.02 12:50:00 - [18] GL to all. Thx for fighting/supporting GUARD. It was special time for me. See you again :)
Diabolic Priest	Posted - 2007.07.02 14:00:00 - [19] Edited by: Diabolic Priest on 02/07/2007 14:01:24 o/ Guard
Kneipi Marquie-X Corp	Posted - 2007.07.02 14:08:00 - [20] Sad to see this Post, Nico..... Good Luck to all of you. Hope we get a chance to fight together again, 8-2 battles were great. Fly safe, friends
Nexa Necis The Really Awesome Players	Posted - 2007.07.02 21:36:00 - [21] I am sorry to see you guys go. I had a lot of fun killing your alliance. It's interesting to see that a lot of people seem to think of you as stand-up fighters, but in all of my contact with your members, which were fights that they lost, we're marred by childish smack talk and cursing. I have to say I did feel sorry for a few of your players because they bore the brunt of your lack of leadership in resolving this crisis. I had several convos with your alliance members bemoaning the fact you refused to compromise and let the war between your alliance and my corp and REPO continue so they were trying to work out a side deal to help the alliance while you sat around doing very little, mind you that's coming from your alliance members, not my own judgement. Though I did read your response when the surrender talks took place when you were informed that our corps were not even close to ending the war.... [ 2007.06.17 21:03:56 ] Nicodemos > k, keep doing it. Btw - I have better things to do then wasing my time with guys who try to frighten me with something which is a game. That's not the most diplomatic response when you were down about 5bil in losses at that point and had lost another 5bil that very day due to losing a freighter. I only asked 750mil to end the war. You didn't even acknowledge my email or attempts to convo you. Again, not the most diplomatic approach. Hopefully in the future you will be more aware of who you recruit into your alliance, and don't assume that 2 small corps can be dispatched with a few 20 man gatecamps. Also practice what you preach in your corp bio's and alliance charter. I mean they read well and good, but when you accept corps like RIMTECH who lie and talk a bunch of crap they can't back up, then it makes you look silly. It makes you look even worse accepting them into the alliance and having your alliance lose 15+bil because of the war. I wrote up a nice story about it here on Eve-Pirate.com. I will be posting a follow up story within the next week or so. It's taking a bit because I have to get all of the German hate mail and chat logs translated properly.
Zhula Guixgrixks	Posted - 2007.07.02 23:41:00 - [22] Hey Nexa, we had fun fightin you and friends. Thanks for covering part of our story in pirate.com. But I can tell you one thing, GUARD disbanded not because of you guys, not because of lacking ISKs and not because of RIMTech. Btw. keep doing good job ! :)
Frozen Buffalo Limited Access	Posted - 2007.07.03 06:58:00 - [23] Originally by: Nexa Necis I am sorry to see you guys go. I had a lot of fun killing your alliance. It's interesting to see that a lot of people seem to think of you as stand-up fighters, but in all of my contact with your members, which were fights that they lost, we're marred by childish smack talk and cursing. I have to say I did feel sorry for a few of your players because they bore the brunt of your lack of leadership in resolving this crisis. I had several convos with your alliance members bemoaning the fact you refused to compromise and let the war between your alliance and my corp and REPO continue so they were trying to work out a side deal to help the alliance while you sat around doing very little, mind you that's coming from your alliance members, not my own judgement. Though I did read your response when the surrender talks took place when you were informed that our corps were not even close to ending the war.... [ 2007.06.17 21:03:56 ] Nicodemos > k, keep doing it. Btw - I have better things to do then wasing my time with guys who try to frighten me with something which is a game. That's not the most diplomatic response when you were down about 5bil in losses at that point and had lost another 5bil that very day due to losing a freighter. I only asked 750mil to end the war. You didn't even acknowledge my email or attempts to convo you. Again, not the most diplomatic approach. Hopefully in the future you will be more aware of who you recruit into your alliance, and don't assume that 2 small corps can be dispatched with a few 20 man gatecamps. Also practice what you preach in your corp bio's and alliance charter. I mean they read well and good, but when you accept corps like RIMTECH who lie and talk a bunch of crap they can't back up, then it makes you look silly. It makes you look even worse accepting them into the alliance and having your alliance lose 15+bil because of the war. I wrote up a nice story about it here on Eve-Pirate.com. I will be posting a follow up story within the next week or so. It's taking a bit because I have to get all of the German hate mail and chat logs translated properly. Roflmao ! Nexa I feel really sorry for you that you have to post such things I think you are blinded by your ubberness and a look on your Corp name .... ah well, not even worth to read every single word you wrote. So I want to thank all Members of G.U.A.R.D. for a really great time with almost every highs and lows you can imagine :) See you guys around Frozen Buffalo Proud Ex-CFJ Member Proud Ex-G.U.A.R.D. Member
Asper Gillus Caldari Galactic Fighter Syndicate Academy	Posted - 2007.07.03 10:20:00 - [24] Originally by: Nexa Necis [...] I will be posting a follow up story within the next week or so. It's taking a bit because I have to get all of the German hate mail and chat logs translated properly. As for the main text: Do you really believe this? GUARD lost a complete outpost, some POSses plus the complete 0.0 Space that was owned by the alliance. Not to mention the ships and assets... So do you really think somewhat 15 or 20bill in a empire-war with insured ships and only some equipment lost could really hurt more than this? But as always - two parties at war - two ways of seeing the 'truth' ;) And if you need help with translating - convo me or Eve-Mail. I will try to help as good as i can. And if you fear that i will censor some things. I don't fight the war. i never even come close to your corp or REPO - so i try to be as honest as ever. :) Asper Gillus GFS
Dark Flyer Minmatar Repo Industries	Posted - 2007.07.03 13:22:00 - [25] Originally by: Asper Gillus As for the main text: Do you really believe this? GUARD lost a complete outpost, some POSses plus the complete 0.0 Space that was owned by the alliance. Not to mention the ships and assets... So do you really think somewhat 15 or 20bill in a empire-war with insured ships and only some equipment lost could really hurt more than this? But as always - two parties at war - two ways of seeing the 'truth' ;) Yes there are two sides to every story, and I'd like to think that Repo and Traps played a part in the end of this alliance. However you look at it, 20 Bil in loses, is still 20 Bil.
Asper Gillus Caldari Galactic Fighter Syndicate Academy	Posted - 2007.07.03 14:03:00 - [26] Originally by: Dark Flyer Originally by: Asper Gillus As for the main text: Do you really believe this? GUARD lost a complete outpost, some POSses plus the complete 0.0 Space that was owned by the alliance. Not to mention the ships and assets... So do you really think somewhat 15 or 20bill in a empire-war with insured ships and only some equipment lost could really hurt more than this? But as always - two parties at war - two ways of seeing the 'truth' ;) Yes there are two sides to every story, and I'd like to think that Repo and Traps played a part in the end of this alliance. However you look at it, 20 Bil in loses, is still 20 Bil. Oh, don't get me wrong... i too think (<- is it allowed to put the words this way?) that the Empirewar with REPO and Traps played a role. But the role isn't that big as the text of Nexa made the audience believe. It was more like poking an already dead corps that just forgot to fall when it died. And yes... 20Bil ist 20Bil... the only difference is in which way you lose it. In other words if you get it back over insurance (ships) or losing it completely (outpost etc.) A reason why i think that warlosses should not be covered by the insurancesystem. But that is a different thing and don't belong here.
Nexa Necis The Really Awesome Players	Posted - 2007.07.03 14:20:00 - [27] Originally by: Frozen Buffalo Roflmao ! Nexa I feel really sorry for you that you have to post such things I think you are blinded by your ubberness and a look on your Corp name .... ah well, not even worth to read every single word you wrote. Believe what you want. I like how you make accusations without taking the time to read the story, instead you comment on something you have zero clue about. People like you are why I am always taking screenshots and video. You discount my word for no reason other than I am on the opposing side. Screenshots, videos and chatlogs don't lie. Sure you can say I doctored them or am using them out of context, but I do have a decent history with my stories posted on Eve-Pirate and you will be hard pressed to find any lies in my stories. So even if you don't like to read, my stories always have plenty of screenies for people like yourself. Sure there are two sides to every story, and rebuttals are always welcome. Childish insults are not welcome however. My corp name is pure sarcasm. Again, if you read any of my stories, you would know this. Well anyone with half a sense of humor and a brain would get this just by reading it. Another poster mentioned this war affected GUARD very little as they lost several POS's and all that jazz. I would beg to differ on the basis that when you have people in your alliance convo'ing me trying to work out an agreement because they're telling me the alliance heads are not doing what's right for the alliance as a whole, I had to agree with them. From what they told me, they were given no thought or say in the matter. Of course they could be lying to play the sympathy card or something, but I took them at face value and didn't get a sense they were blowing smoke up my butt. These players seemed genuinely concerned with how things were going and wanted very much to keep the alliance and their individual corps together since they enjoyed the German atmosphere and whatnot. All I said was I am going to miss you, only for a short while as once my current obligations are fulfilled I will be revisiting several of you. I offered some advice which might help in the future. I also pointed out that in most all of the contact I had with your alliance, your losses were taken with a lack of sportsmanship and that I found it odd so many people were thanking you for a smackless war, while our war was the complete opposite in my case.
Dark Flyer Minmatar Repo Industries	Posted - 2007.07.03 16:17:00 - [28] Originally by: Asper Gillus It was more like poking an already dead corps that just forgot to fall when it died. Well your entitled to your view, but I feel that is a bit disingenuous to what actually happened and certainly these corps were alive and kicking when we started this war.
Asper Gillus Caldari Galactic Fighter Syndicate Academy	Posted - 2007.07.03 16:17:00 - [29] Edited by: Asper Gillus on 03/07/2007 16:16:57 And @topic: Rest in pieces GUARD... ;) Was a fun time while it lasts... Lets move on and find a new home
Cmores Gallente Bears Inc FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.03 23:42:00 - [30] Great group of folks. Hope to see yas soon. Best of luck.
Mollernak Cassus Beli FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.04 05:10:00 - [31] Having flew in 8-2 during the war, I must say it is with heavy heart I hear of your disbanding. Your pilots, regardless of why it started, flew well and with honour, making them a pleasure to fight with. Fly long and safe
Jezala Repo Industries	Posted - 2007.07.04 09:12:00 - [32] As with all other alliances that have collapsed in the past, in the end it was the internal forces that destroyed GUARD. Outposts, POSs, isk, ship, etc. don't make an alliance. It's the people, their relationships, and their shared identity that make up the foundation of an alliance. All it took was some outside pressure in the form of empire wars and some existing internal problems to weaken the structure of the alliance and suddenly we find that the alliance shatters like a crystal ball. Based on my experience with GUARD during their last empire war, I have a real hard time sympathizing with their plight b/c of the lack of respect and general sportsmanship they displayed on the battlefield. But whatever...I don't hold any grudges against individual pilots and I wish them well on their next adventure. ...and yes, we do sell and deliver ammo. 425 Express Delivery is available upon request, please see Hans Gates and Marcus Grisbius regarding this option.
g00ni COMBINE Corporation	Posted - 2007.07.04 11:46:00 - [33] I thougt this Thread was made to give the info that the GUARD alliance was disbanded and not to show that REPO and TRAPs are the best player ingame In GUARD i has my best time ingame. I meet many nicely people, has many fun and i took a lot of experience with me. The war against IVC/Frege in 8-2 was hellacious! As the first big fight started, my fingers was unsteady Thx to all involved parties, especially to The-P!!! To Repo/TRAPs: You made the better job in the e-war, no question! But you has more experience in e-wars and also you fight only if you had the hands over. Anyway, you has my respect, in the 8-2 war (i was involved in every bigger fight) i lost no ship.. 1 wheek in the empire and i lost 4-5 ships :D Sry 4 my bad english, but i think you could unterstand what i write greetings g00ni \|HBO\| Combine Corp
Dark Flyer Minmatar Repo Industries	Posted - 2007.07.04 13:09:00 - [34] Originally by: g00ni I thougt this Thread was made to give the info that the GUARD alliance was disbanded and not to show that REPO and TRAPs are the best player ingame Well as Traps and Repo, had a hand in the demise of Guard, we felt it only right to air our views as well. Originally by: g00ni The war against IVC/Frege in 8-2 was hellacious! As the first big fight started, my fingers was unsteady Thx to all involved parties, especially to The-P!!! To Repo/TRAPs: You made the better job in the e-war, no question! But you has more experience in e-wars and also you fight only if you had the hands over. Anyway, you has my respect, in the 8-2 war (i was involved in every bigger fight) i lost no ship.. 1 wheek in the empire and i lost 4-5 ships :D 0.0 warfare is different to empire based wars, but I wouldn't say that Repo/Traps won their fights just on numbers. In a large number of the engagements GUARD has greater numbers and potentially greater firepower. I wish all GUARD members the best for the future, just remember respect in a fight goes much further than smack.
Jezala Repo Industries	Posted - 2007.07.04 17:08:00 - [35] Originally by: g00ni I thought this Thread was made to give the info that the GUARD alliance was disbanded and not to show that REPO and TRAPs are the best player in game This thread is an announcement of the disbandment of GUARD as well as an opportunity for everyone to reflect and share their experience that they had with GUARD. Not all of it is going to be pretty. Anyways, good luck and have fun with your next endeavor. ...and yes, we do sell and deliver ammo. 425 Express Delivery is available upon request, please see Hans Gates and Marcus Grisbius regarding this option.
Father Weebles Repo Industries	Posted - 2007.07.08 16:06:00 - [36] Edited by: Father Weebles on 08/07/2007 16:10:48 Originally by: g00ni To Repo/TRAPs: You made the better job in the e-war, no question! But you has more experience in e-wars and also you fight only if you had the hands over. Not really. Most of the time GUARD had more numbers. Once you brought a gang that numbered 35, REPO/Traps had 12. We waited and waited till your blob got down to reasonable numbers and then gave chase and beat the remaining GUARD in low sec (was a good battle tbh). Do I believe Repo and Traps brought down GUARD singlehandedly? Hell no. It's nearly impossible to kill an alliance in Empire. What we accomplished was cutting the head off of a bird that already had its wings chopped off. "You leave anything for us?" "Just bodies."
Chasm Illyaki Repo Industries	Posted - 2007.07.14 12:19:00 - [37] can't say i'm going to miss blob...i mean guard. nothing like having 18 people on your kill mail. whatever happened to 5 on 2, or 6 on 4? http://repo.griefwatch.net/?p=pilot&pilot=Chasm%20Illyaki
Ventro69 Caldari Manson Family FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.17 11:12:00 - [38] Also remember you from the 8-2, thought you were cool guys. I'm recruiting for my corp if any of you need a new direction.
Ethan Hawk The Scope	Posted - 2007.07.19 03:08:00 - [39] Sad to see that the alliance which I helped to build fall apart. Wish all ex-members of GUARD best luck...
Fahad E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.07.19 12:08:00 - [40] good luck on your new plans guys
desperate dan	Posted - 2007.07.31 09:23:00 - [41] sad to hear you guys are disbanding. have to say have the 8-2 was my 1st war and was the best 5 days of my eve life good fights with no smack talk the only problem was everything seems boring after that. you guys have my respect. regards dan

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