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Frezik
Celtic Anarchy
Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.07.01 23:50:00 -
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 Originally by: Dau Imperius
You NT's (Neurologically Typicals) are still animals unfortunetly.
 
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(Anyone notice the sheer amount record number of hurricans in the last few years hitting the US East Coast for instance?)
No. Last hurricane season, not a single hurricane made landfall in the US. After the unusually high 2005 numbers, forecasts predicted 2006 would be almost as bad, but it ended up being very quiet.
Statistics are funny. There are peaks and troughs appearing seemingly at random. The unusually strong 2005 season and the unusually weak 2006 season should both be put down as a statistical noise.
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torswin
Caldari
Capital Productions Inc.
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Posted - 2007.07.02 00:20:00 -
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Weather is NOT climate. This isnt a "weather change" its a "climate change"
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smashsmash
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Posted - 2007.07.02 01:25:00 -
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Edited by: smashsmash on 02/07/2007 01:25:09
a lot of people/countries/animals/whatever out there are genuinely trying hard to reduce pollution. if you think their reasoning is misguided or stupid just freakin' ignore their reason and find a reason of your own. there are plenty of reasons other than big bad evil global warming. i'm tired of crappy polluted city air. everyone feels crappy and angry at each other because the air sucks smog balls. lets all be friends and sing Kumbaya and make the world a better place...
snort, lol. we're doomed.
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i'm not irritated at the OP or anyone in particular other than the "global warming isnt real so i'm going to be stupid" people.
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hUssmann
Caldari
Veto.
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.07.02 01:46:00 -
[34]
Global warming has now been changed to climate change due to the fact some countries (eg. England) will actually get colder instead of warmer. English weather for you. 
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UPA Terf
DEATH'S LEGION
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Posted - 2007.07.02 02:09:00 -
[35]
Edited by: UPA Terf on 02/07/2007 02:10:25
Originally by: Frezik
It's likely a feedback cycle, where more CO2 gives a higher temperature, and higher temperature releases more CO2. There's almost certainly a limiting factor, or else the temperature/CO2 levels would have run away to Venus-like conditions millions of years ago.
nope just as i said no more complicated than that simple sentence. According to the Ice core samples taken to show climate for millions of years the temperature has gone up causing CO2 to go up not the other way around in fact im surprised that they are blaming CO2 especially as its not the most prevalent nor the most effective greenhouse gas and plays an important part in their being life on this planet...its quite shocking what lengths people would go to, to either sell things to or scare people on this planet..yes it might be the wettest june on record but the record goes back to what 17-1800's? also when i was a kid it sometimes snowed in december..hasnt for years but it might again
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Frezik
Celtic Anarchy
Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.07.02 02:40:00 -
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Edited by: Frezik on 02/07/2007 02:40:08
Originally by: UPA Terf
nope just as i said no more complicated than that simple sentence. According to the Ice core samples taken to show climate for millions of years the temperature has gone up causing CO2 to go up not the other way around in fact im surprised that they are blaming CO2 especially as its not the most prevalent nor the most effective greenhouse gas and plays an important part in their being life on this planet...its quite shocking what lengths people would go to, to either sell things to or scare people on this planet..yes it might be the wettest june on record but the record goes back to what 17-1800's? also when i was a kid it sometimes snowed in december..hasnt for years but it might again
From http://www.realclimate.org/index.php?p=13:
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From studying all the available data (not just ice cores), the probable sequence of events at a termination goes something like this. Some (currently unknown) process causes Antarctica and the surrounding ocean to warm. This process also causes CO2 to start rising, about 800 years later. Then CO2 further warms the whole planet, because of its heat-trapping properties. This leads to even further CO2 release. So CO2 during ice ages should be thought of as a "feedback", much like the feedback that results from putting a microphone too near to a loudspeaker.
In other words, CO2 does not initiate the warmings, but acts as an amplifier once they are underway. From model estimates, CO2 (along with other greenhouse gases CH4 and N2O) causes about half of the full glacial-to-interglacial warming.
(Emphasis mine.)
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UPA Terf
DEATH'S LEGION
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Posted - 2007.07.02 02:50:00 -
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Edited by: UPA Terf on 02/07/2007 02:50:53
But this isnt what i said..i was saying effectively global warming is not happening due to any green house gas im saying things might be changing but it is human arrogance to belive we have any control or responsibility over it..in fact if co2 was causing global warming then why were co2 levels post ww2 (1950-75 ish  ) lower than they are today?
Also he left out several key greenhouse gases including water vapour which despite being the most prevalent greenhouse gas is curiously left out of any information pertaining to concentrations
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Plim
Gallente
Celestial Apocalypse
Insurgency
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Posted - 2007.07.02 03:53:00 -
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We did however just have the hottest April since 1800.
'Global warming' isn't uniform in localised areas, you don't just say "hey we are having a cold period so it must be BS!".
That's like saying that winter is BS because it's a bit warm one day in December.
Or you could argue that it's all a big scam and have a big party with people like Bjorn Lomborg and the other 'scientists' for hire.
The greenhouse effect is a proven fact. The science involved is taught in pretty much every school. It is also a fact that we are putting massive amounts of CO2 (a greenhouse gass - obviously) into the atmosphere, (about 100 times that which is realised from volcanoes per annum). You can get 3 from 2+2 if you want, i'll stick with 4.
This argument being put out that it is all to increase taxes, or some such nonsense is utterly idiotic. Do you really think that the energy industry would be happy about having to reduce carbon emmisions? The same people who are in bed with the most powerful potlitical systems the world has ever seen?
Global warming science has had a long hard struggle gaining acceptance globally, because states and industry don't want to accept it.
It dosen't exactly benefit the bottom line. It is still marginalised, that is why the resposibility to decrease CO2 emmisions is always placed on the individual rather than industry (which is why we get the daft adverts telling us to turn off our lights, which bascially do nothing).
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Plim
Gallente
Celestial Apocalypse
Insurgency
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Posted - 2007.07.02 04:02:00 -
[39]
Regarding water vapour:
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UPA Terf
DEATH'S LEGION
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Posted - 2007.07.02 04:02:00 -
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you should try living in europe and see exactly how marginalized... also no reasons just a rant no science apart from "you could ask anyone" i form my own opinions based on more than one source of evidence and what ive seen is that it is more beneficial for these large companies (who fyi gain grants which more than alleviate any carbon neutrality cost)to go green than to be accused otherwise
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Frezik
Celtic Anarchy
Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.07.02 04:45:00 -
[41]
Originally by: Plim
The greenhouse effect is a proven fact.
No doubt. The question is how much effect human-released greenhouse gasses have on the climate compared to other sources of climate change. I don't feel the science is settled on this point.
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This argument being put out that it is all to increase taxes, or some such nonsense is utterly idiotic. Do you really think that the energy industry would be happy about having to reduce carbon emmisions? The same people who are in bed with the most powerful potlitical systems the world has ever seen?
The oil industry is in an interesting situation. They know the oil will run out eventually, and when that happens, they won't have any viable assets anymore. The land they sit on will be depreciated, since the oil is gone. The refineries won't have any oil to refine and might as well be scrap metal. Shale oil might save them, but people have been working on extracting it economically for years and show little promise of doing so in the foreseeable future.
So their in the position where they want to keep people using oil for now, but also know they'll have to move their business to something else eventually. Therefore, it's in their interest to deny human-created climate change, but also develop alternative energy sources.
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Tarquin Tarquinius
Gallente
Escorts of Eve
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Posted - 2007.07.02 05:43:00 -
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Its pretty friggin' hot here. Humid too. When I go outside my glasses fog up. I hate that. Temperate my ass.
I do get ****ed off every time I see an SUV with one person in it...or even if it has lots of people. That has more to do with gas prices though and little to do with climate change. I'm too poor to care about climate change.
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Locus Bey
Gallente
Qalandar
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Posted - 2007.07.02 07:39:00 -
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global warming for beginners to serious discussion:
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2007/05/start-here/
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Nelcordran
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Posted - 2007.07.02 07:44:00 -
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Originally by: Tarquin Tarquinius
Its pretty friggin' hot here. Humid too. When I go outside my glasses fog up. I hate that. Temperate my ass.
umm..quick question..could the heat be due to...oh i dont know...summer maby?
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Gift
Amarr
Chaos Reborn
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Posted - 2007.07.02 07:44:00 -
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Listening to people talk about global warming is funny. Unless it's al gore, then it's just boring.
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Tarquin Tarquinius
Gallente
Escorts of Eve
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Posted - 2007.07.02 08:15:00 -
[46]
Originally by: Nelcordran
Originally by: Tarquin Tarquinius
Its pretty friggin' hot here. Humid too. When I go outside my glasses fog up. I hate that. Temperate my ass.
umm..quick question..could the heat be due to...oh i dont know...summer maby?
yes....the first part of my post was supposed to be asinine. It was originally longer and more asininer..er...but I thought I was pushing it.
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smashsmash
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Posted - 2007.07.02 12:07:00 -
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objection! *slams fist down on the desk* you can never be too asinine on these forums, especially when global warming is being discussed.
Originally by: Tarquin Tarquinius
Originally by: Nelcordran
Originally by: Tarquin Tarquinius
Its pretty friggin' hot here. Humid too. When I go outside my glasses fog up. I hate that. Temperate my ass.
umm..quick question..could the heat be due to...oh i dont know...summer maby?
yes....the first part of my post was supposed to be asinine. It was originally longer and more asininer..er...but I thought I was pushing it.
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Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2007.07.02 12:21:00 -
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Whether or not climate change exists or is man-made, it's still a good idea to save energy and recycle where possible.
Leaving aside the arguments about peak oil, certain other resources such as copper do have finite availability, and what's not to like about lower fuel bills?
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Mtthias Clemi
Gallente
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.07.02 14:08:00 -
[49]
Originally by: Rodj Blake
Whether or not climate change exists or is man-made, it's still a good idea to save energy and recycle where possible.
Leaving aside the arguments about peak oil, certain other resources such as copper do have finite availability, and what's not to like about lower fuel bills?
Yup, recycling and being friendly to the environment are good things, i see the use of fossil fuels as a natural progression though, hate people who act as if we should have started using solar and wind power instead of building massive coal mines (A girl at my school actually suggested this at one point... idiot..) where would we be if we had never started using them? I can imagine the world being like hell...
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.02 14:28:00 -
[50]
Originally by: Mtthias Clemi
Originally by: Rodj Blake
Whether or not climate change exists or is man-made, it's still a good idea to save energy and recycle where possible.
Leaving aside the arguments about peak oil, certain other resources such as copper do have finite availability, and what's not to like about lower fuel bills?
Yup, recycling and being friendly to the environment are good things, i see the use of fossil fuels as a natural progression though, hate people who act as if we should have started using solar and wind power instead of building massive coal mines (A girl at my school actually suggested this at one point... idiot..) where would we be if we had never started using them? I can imagine the world being like hell...
It wouldn't be like hell. It'd just be...old. The industrial revolution could never have happened without coal and steam and oil and electricity, and without the industrial revolution, we'd still be acting like the renaissance was a modern innovation.
The fact is, the industrial revolution did happened, and always will have happened. Wind turbines weren't even the fevered dream of a mad man when the first coal-driven steam engines were being introduced. People who suggest "we should have used solar power instead of building coal mines" is just plain ignorant.
Anyhow, I'm pretty big on recycling. Got me a compost bin, I recycle my paper, plastic, glass and metal, and my house is packed full of energy saving light bulbs and such. I quite enjoy it really, its kinda satisfying. I really want to buy some solar panels for my house, but I think that might be a bit out of my league atm
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Fink Angel
Caldari
The Merry Men
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Posted - 2007.07.02 14:43:00 -
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The OP reminds me of a letter to Viz comic recently about how global warming is rubbish because every 12 months it gets really cold again.
Global warming is all about the Earth only needing the average temperature increased by a few degrees for Bad Things to start happening with the Gulf Stream flow and the resultant major changes to weather patterns etc.
Nothing (well, not much) to do with having more sunshine in the UK in July.
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Suziki BoD
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Posted - 2007.07.02 15:57:00 -
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I've read all the arguments both for and against global warming/climate change.
Im here to tell you both sides of this fence are wrong.
what the OP and the rest of you fail to realise is that its now the Wimbledon tennis tournament here in Blighty and as such = rain 
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Sokratesz
Paradox v2.0
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.07.02 18:31:00 -
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There is so much incorrect semi-scientific bantering in this thread it isn't even funny anymore.
Not gonna try and prove i'm god on the subject but let me just spill the thought of 'what we're doing to the planet now can't be good'.
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Mtthias Clemi
Gallente
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.07.02 18:59:00 -
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Originally by: Sokratesz
There is so much incorrect semi-scientific bantering in this thread it isn't even funny anymore.
Not gonna try and prove i'm god on the subject but let me just spill the thought of 'what we're doing to the planet now can't be good'.
Its still pretty funny...
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Mtthias Clemi
Gallente
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.07.02 19:42:00 -
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What i don't understand is why the topic title hasn't been nerfed yet...
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.02 19:44:00 -
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Originally by: Mtthias Clemi
What i don't understand is why the topic title hasn't been nerfed yet...
I was thinking that, but didn't want to say it and give the mods any hints
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Mtthias Clemi
Gallente
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.07.02 19:47:00 -
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Originally by: Patch86
Originally by: Mtthias Clemi
What i don't understand is why the topic title hasn't been nerfed yet...
I was thinking that, but didn't want to say it and give the mods any hints
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Tarquin Tarquinius
Gallente
Escorts of Eve
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Posted - 2007.07.02 20:28:00 -
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Originally by: Patch86
Anyhow, I'm pretty big on recycling. Got me a compost bin, I recycle my paper, plastic, glass and metal, and my house is packed full of energy saving light bulbs and such. I quite enjoy it really, its kinda satisfying. I really want to buy some solar panels for my house, but I think that might be a bit out of my league atm
Recylcing anything other than metal (and a few other things) is pretty counter productive. In many cases we're better off just putting it in a landfill.
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Conserving energy (conservation in general) is always great though. I started using compact florescent bulbs before it was "cool."
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2007.07.02 20:45:00 -
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Originally by: Tarquin Tarquinius
Originally by: Patch86
Anyhow, I'm pretty big on recycling. Got me a compost bin, I recycle my paper, plastic, glass and metal, and my house is packed full of energy saving light bulbs and such. I quite enjoy it really, its kinda satisfying. I really want to buy some solar panels for my house, but I think that might be a bit out of my league atm
Recylcing anything other than metal (and a few other things) is pretty counter productive. In many cases we're better off just putting it in a landfill.
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Conserving energy (conservation in general) is always great though. I started using compact florescent bulbs before it was "cool."
I'd take those articles with a pinch of salt, if I were you. They contradict a lot of what I've read elsewhere.
The EIA, for example, states explicitly that a paper mill uses 40% of the energy to make recycled paper as it does to make virgin paper. Its true that it uses more fossil fuels (because some of the energy paper mills use is generated by burning waste wood), but that doesn't change the carbon footprint.
This Wikipedia page lists some of the swings and roundabouts of it all. Some say one way, some say the other.
The fact that the UK is pretty short of space (compared to the US) and landfills are almost without fail in nose-shot of some residential area is reason enough for me to want to recycle. The less rotting waste all over the country side, the better.
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