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Tyken2
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Posted - 2007.07.01 12:23:00 -
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IÆm trying to do level 3 missions. I was in a Ferox and just getting nowhere. I started asking around in game and the people I would talk to, on the help chat would give me these stories about how easy level 3 mission were for them. Things like ôtheir shields never got below 80%ö and on and onà After asking some questions they suggested that I get a Drake and out fit it with shield hardeners and generators, basically making it into a tank and then I should have no problems. So I got a drake and followed the list of equipment down to the letter. So it tried it out and I found that I could do the missions, but barely. I had to warp out a lot to repair, which meant that the missions would take 3 to 4 hours to do. One of the missions took 5 hours. I donÆt have that kind of time. And on the last one I tried I lost the drake. WHAT IÆM I DOING WRONG! I just donÆt get it. IÆm going up ageist 15 Battlecruisers at once on some of these missions. How does anyone in a Battlecruiser do these missions?
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Damares
Flying While Intoxicated
The Threshold
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Posted - 2007.07.01 12:28:00 -
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Edited by: Damares on 01/07/2007 12:27:47
ues your range? dont fight them all at once? take one group at a time, use a bit of sense, double check all your fittings are the right size for a BC, if your using small sized fittings e.t.c then get medium ones.
also, you character is 1 day old, this an alt?
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Zeonos
Amarr
Fairtrade Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.07.01 12:45:00 -
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train shield skills and support.
use commen sense. train some more skills. :)
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Elvhera Luvulontime
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Posted - 2007.07.01 12:46:00 -
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Edited by: Elvhera Luvulontime on 01/07/2007 12:47:09
pretty easy really apart from 1 or challenging ones, `the blockade` being 1.
really use range ike the other dude said or just check what damage the mission rats do and grab 2 or 3 hardners that offer those resistances.
using the right resistances can make your ship go from lasting a few secs to being damn near indestructible.
if nothin else mission in bc`s will get you used to switching setups, well id did me in my close range cyclone n hurricane (cant get on with artis, takes to long)
and the blockade took me several hours last night and i didnt need to warp out, it just takes ages to grind some rats down. this will get easier as my skills improve of course. these long missions are offset by some dead short ones so dont fret it.
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Kery Nysell
Caldari
Nysell Incorporated
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Posted - 2007.07.01 13:23:00 -
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As the others have said, player skills (knowing the damage types of the NPCs and fitting the right hardeners against them) and character skills (shield and missile skills for you) will make a HUGE difference.
If you have to warp out to repair with a shield-tanked ship, that means that either your hardeners are not of the right type, or that your "support" shield skills are not high enough.
Or maybe you're not killing the NPCs quickly enough, because of lowish missile skills (there are a few damage bonuses to get there, those make the difference).
All in all, I'd suggest to go back to level 2 missions, at least until your skills (player and character) are a bit better, this game is not a race, trying to go too fast is a sure way to hit a brick wall ...
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Big Al
The Aftermath
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Posted - 2007.07.01 14:05:00 -
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Shield Management 4
Shield Operation 4
Tactical Shield Manipulation 4
Energy Grid Upgrades 4
Shield Upgrades
Battlecruiser 4
Jury Rigging 3
Shield Rigging 1
Decent heavy missile + support skills
Drake:
Heavy missiles launchers
2 Invuln IIs
Large Shield Extender IIs
Power Diagnostic Unit II
2x Shield Power Relay II
Ballistic Control System II
3 Core Defence Purger Is
Shouldn't drop below 80% shield in any level 3 mission. CPU might be a fit tight with the nerf on shield power relays and low skills, but you can replace them with just about anything and still tank level 3s fine.
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Shoele Lialos
Gallente
MCB Inc.
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Posted - 2007.07.01 14:08:00 -
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The Drake should power through most level 3's, and even be able to do most level 4's, albeit slowly. I was doing 4's in my Drake until I had the Nighthawk trained.
Question: what's your fitting, and relative skills?
Use T2 large shield extenders, T2 Heavy missile launchers, have missile support skills all at 4, and T2 heavies at 4, and your gank should be good. Have BC skill at 4, amd shield support skills at 4. Use T2 hardeners, a couple T2 BCU's and PDS's, and you should have no trouble.
If you're doing it with medium shield extenders, and T1 gear, you'll not be very successful.
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Hasak Rain
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.07.01 14:56:00 -
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It isn't only about fitting a big tank. Level 3's are where you need to start paying attention to spawn triggers and to start fitting the right hardeners for the rats you will be facing.
Granted, 80% of the lvl 3's you should be able to breeze through but some WILL kill you if you aren't prepared and shoot at the wrong spawns like in "The Blockade."
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evs
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Posted - 2007.07.01 16:33:00 -
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bah for the blockade, jsut get someone with a BS to gang with you and deal DPS, did L3 blockade in 30 mins this way (i was in a myrmidon, so i could tank it just fine, but the BS dealt all the damage :P)
the only L3 i have trouble with in my myrmi is cargo delivery, that mission is downright evil if you stay and fight
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Tyken2
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Posted - 2007.07.02 01:10:00 -
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Thank you all for the advice. I really didnÆt know how people on the boards would respond. So yes Damares this is alt, my main is not 1 day old :)
I think IÆm using common sense in how I take the missions. On a whole I work to be at max range. This means that once I warp in I turn around and start running the other way dragging with me whatever got mad at me when I warped in. I run toward a point, usually a station I can jump to, so that if I need to jump it is almost instant. On most missions I have been getting, I have to jump out a lot, so I make sure to log a waypoint of the position IÆm at, when I jump. Then when I come back I usually come in 50km or so in front of that the point and start the whole thing again. (basic kiting)
As far as resistances go I have worked with that some, and that is how I lost the drake. I had the right type, but I was getting hammered. I wasnÆt lined up with a jump point, which was my undoing. I was losing shields fast so I went to jump and the aligning took to long. Once my shields were gone, it was over fast.
Thank you Elvhera Luvulontime for saying that the blockade takes sometime. I thought I was the only one. I have gotten it three times now.
And Shoele Lialos IÆm sorry but I have gotten the answer ôget T2 everythingö several times in the in game help chat and it is not much help. My guess is you have been playing this game for a year for more and are working on cap ships by now. Well IÆm the player who is just trying to get enough ISK to get their first raven. It took a lot to get the drake I had and yes, I did put a lot into the equipment I had on board, but no it wasnÆt T2 stuff. If I had the ISK to out fit a ship like that I donÆt think I would be trying to get though level 3 missions. I would think that you would just go buy a raven.
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Judge Ment
ECMI
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Posted - 2007.07.02 01:50:00 -
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They still make Ferox? 
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Kzarr Ntakki
Gallente
Faustus and Company
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Posted - 2007.07.02 05:34:00 -
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I was having similar problems with Damsel in Distress at L3 in a Myrm, until I did my homework and fitted explicitly to do the mission, i.e. maximised tank, mission specific hardeners, i.e. kinetic/thermal, and pushed my skills for cap and shield up a bit for a day or so. Then it became achievable. There's plenty of info on specific missions out there, the thing to do if you struggle with one is to fit specifically for the mission and usually they can be done.
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.07.02 07:34:00 -
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I can have missed it if someone has said it, but the right kind of damage dealt is almost as important as the right kind of damage resisted.
The big advantage of the missile boats (and to a lesser extent the projectile gunships) is that they can choose the damage they do, changing the missiles.
So, when you look the information about the mission, note down what is the best damage to use. You will kill your targets faster.
You can find a generic table of damage delat by rats and to use against them in a good number of players bio, included mine.
Make a copy, it is useful (but don't get it as gospel, in some mission there are differences).
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Judge Ment
ECMI
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Posted - 2007.07.02 08:36:00 -
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EVEINFO.COM KNOW THE DAMAGE TO DEAL
Site hasn't been updated for the new mission.. *BUMMER
lvl 3s are bit easy once ya done them enough - buddy does them with myrm and drones just armor rep ( I was amazed being Caldari )
I don't know (CCP NERF) everything
But the Drake is still okay, even for lvl 4s
Honestly if your having that much problems with 3s. Your skill might not be enough in 3 possible locations.
Shield? *ENGINEERING Tanking is important in missions.
Your DAMAGE TYPE? there are tons of Missiles skills to learn
*DRONES yep drones can be your best friends
Cheers
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Shoele Lialos
Gallente
MCB Inc.
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Posted - 2007.07.02 20:00:00 -
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 Originally by: Tyken2
And Shoele Lialos IÆm sorry but I have gotten the answer ôget T2 everythingö several times in the in game help chat and it is not much help. My guess is you have been playing this game for a year for more and are working on cap ships by now. Well IÆm the player who is just trying to get enough ISK to get their first raven. It took a lot to get the drake I had and yes, I did put a lot into the equipment I had on board, but no it wasnÆt T2 stuff. If I had the ISK to out fit a ship like that I donÆt think I would be trying to get though level 3 missions. I would think that you would just go buy a raven.
I have been playing for a good deal more than a year, and neither of my characters flies anything larger than a Command Ship.
Tech II Large Shield Extenders are not that expensive. Certainly less expensive than that Raven you're after. Get T2 equipment for your tank, and keep using T1 for your launchers for a while. You don't need T2 launchers until you try level 4's, which are doable in the Drake, but far easier in the NH.
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Alora Venoda
Caldari
GalTech
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Posted - 2007.07.02 20:12:00 -
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when i first started doing level 3's i was able to do them in a caracal, warping out a few times on some of them. a few were nearly impossible until i got my ferox. all T1 mods, mostly missles, never had a problem except for blockade lvl 3.
now that i have my raven i usually don't use anything less for lvl 3 or 4 
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Manaswa
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Posted - 2007.07.02 20:33:00 -
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The main thing to lvl 3s is learning the mission.
Currently I can solo all lvl 3s very quickly in a Hurricane.
My setup:
Hi: 6x 720mm arty>arbalest hvy launchers
Mid: named med SB>invulnerability field 2>named SB Amp>AB2
Low: 3x Gyro 2s, DC2, named PDS, tracking enh 2 to round off
This tank is next to negligible but you can perma run it and the DPS is just sick. This is a "glass cannon" setup in that it will not take sustained dps so you have to know what to kill first and kill it fast.
I learned the missions in a cyclone that can easily tank any lvl 3.
Once you know the missions though as long as you have the dps you are fine. if I can complete them all (including the blockade and massive attack) with one hardener and a med SB and mostly T1 gear then you should have no trouble with the pimped out tank of a drake.
You just gotta learn the missions. Same deal with 4s.
~Manaswa
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Judge Ment
ECMI
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Posted - 2007.07.02 20:40:00 -
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Originally by: Alora Venoda
when i first started doing level 3's i was able to do them in a caracal, warping out a few times on some of them. a few were nearly impossible until i got my ferox. all T1 mods, mostly missles, never had a problem except for blockade lvl 3.
now that i have my raven i usually don't use anything less for lvl 3 or 4
IDK Raven (Signature is a problem) And besides very slow. its a great ship with support for lvl 4s. I wouldn't do 3s in Raven anymore.
I have to admit, I use to be able to do 3s when I started in Ferox *but things have change and CCP nerf*
I would even do 3s. IN Caracal now. But I use heavy T2
But Im not sure even with my skills I could handle them all.
Like I said Myrm can do them with just Drones skills
*( MAYBE CCP can come out with a Drone Ship for Caldari? ) I doubt it.. and besides this is another story all in it self!
Just take your time Grasshopper!
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Alora Venoda
Caldari
GalTech
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Posted - 2007.07.02 21:02:00 -
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Originally by: Judge Ment
Originally by: Alora Venoda
when i first started doing level 3's i was able to do them in a caracal, warping out a few times on some of them. a few were nearly impossible until i got my ferox. all T1 mods, mostly missles, never had a problem except for blockade lvl 3.
now that i have my raven i usually don't use anything less for lvl 3 or 4
IDK Raven (Signature is a problem) And besides very slow. its a great ship with support for lvl 4s. I wouldn't do 3s in Raven anymore.
I have to admit, I use to be able to do 3s when I started in Ferox *but things have change and CCP nerf*
I would even do 3s. IN Caracal now. But I use heavy T2
But Im not sure even with my skills I could handle them all.
Like I said Myrm can do them with just Drones skills
*( MAYBE CCP can come out with a Drone Ship for Caldari? ) I doubt it.. and besides this is another story all in it self!
Just take your time Grasshopper!
cruise missiles pwn almost all lvl 3 mission rats, esp with a target painter but might need to use drones or light missiles on the frigates. even if under heavy fire, the tank on a raven can handle it no problem. while it is slow, you don't usually need to go very far... and a ferox or drake isn't really all that much faster anyway.
i could prolly do just as well in a ferox or drake, but having the added power is more fun
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Fuzzybear
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Posted - 2007.07.02 21:36:00 -
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I do Cargo in my Myrmi. While I grant you there is a lot of DPS I tank it pretty well. The shield tend not to drop below 50%. I do watch and kill the naster of all the NPC's. But once you have all the agro the drones do a bang up job killing the mob.
the only L3 i have trouble with in my myrmi is cargo delivery, that mission is downright evil if you stay and fight
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evs
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Posted - 2007.07.02 23:10:00 -
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youre shield tanking your myrmi?
im armor tanking mine, and to show you how nasty it is, i had a guy in an ishtar, with 94% and 88% kin/therm resists come and tank it, and he was losing his tank slowly (not enough to warp out, and after we killed a couple of the HACs it was fine), that is just sick (it was against serps)
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Fuzzybear
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Posted - 2007.07.05 12:39:00 -
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Yup.
I found it here.
I have pretty much set it up as is. I get about a little over 17k in shields and I belive my recharge rate is about 171 secs.
I've had up to 10 or 20 ships pounding on the shields but they held. It does get to a point sometimes where you watch 3 bc's hit you and the shield goes a little red. Then before the next volly it's just about back to 100%.
Originally by: evs
youre shield tanking your myrmi?
im armor tanking mine, and to show you how nasty it is, i had a guy in an ishtar, with 94% and 88% kin/therm resists come and tank it, and he was losing his tank slowly (not enough to warp out, and after we killed a couple of the HACs it was fine), that is just sick (it was against serps)
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FT Diomedes
Gallente
Ductus Exemplo
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Posted - 2007.07.05 14:28:00 -
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Edited by: FT Diomedes on 05/07/2007 14:31:08
My drone skills are miserable, but I have found that a Myrmidon with an armor tank and 5x 250mm Railguns + 1x Dual 150mm Railgun can breeze through any level 3 mission, with knowledge of the mission. In fact, it's better than any of my other ships (Domi, Megathron) for running Level 3 missions. I do sometimes use the Domi with Dual 250mm Rails, but it actually isn't as good as the Myrmidon for Level 3s.
Here's what I use right now:
5x 250mm Railguns (best I can get from drops)
1x Dual 150mm Railguns (best I can get from drops)
1x Medium AB (best I can get from drops)
1x Sensor Booster (best I can get from drops)
1x Tracking CPU (best I can get from drops)
2x Cap Recharger II
1x Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
1x EANM I
2x Rat Specific N-Type Active Hardeners
1x Damage Control II
1x Medium Armor Repair II
4x medium/light tech 1 drones
I'm going to try a Brutix with a similar setup.
More to the point - the key to Level 3s is managing aggro and picking the right hardeners. My friends breeze through most missions in passive tanked Drakes. There are very few missions that are genuinely hard once you have learned them. Parts of Portal to War can be hard, same goes for The Blockade if you mismanage aggro. Also true of Mordus Headhunters 2nd room.
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Fuzzybear
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Posted - 2007.07.05 20:47:00 -
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Drone skills... I've only got 2,900,000 in drone skills. I need to work on them again soon.
As to BS, I have a Mega. So far the only thing I have found it useful for is mining in deadspace. I pack 7 Miner II's on that puppy and a few cargo extenders and woot that can mine when I'm ganged with my Alt. I get about 95.5 per miner @ 60 secs. That's about 668 each pull.
I've got a Brutix and while I really like it, it handles like a pregnet cow. I've found the Myrmidon is a tad more responsive.
Fuzzy.
Originally by: FT Diomedes
Edited by: FT Diomedes on 05/07/2007 14:31:08
My drone skills are miserable, but I have found that a Myrmidon with an armor tank and 5x 250mm Railguns + 1x Dual 150mm Railgun can breeze through any level 3 mission, with knowledge of the mission. In fact, it's better than any of my other ships (Domi, Megathron) for running Level 3 missions. I do sometimes use the Domi with Dual 250mm Rails, but it actually isn't as good as the Myrmidon for Level 3s.
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