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Ladyah Liandri
A GmbH
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Posted - 2007.07.03 10:35:00 -
[31]
 Originally by: Scum Killer
Being an anti-pirate my view is that most, but not all, pirates are bullies and cowards but non the less essential for the game.
Being a pirate my view is that most, but not all, anti-pirates are bullies and cowards but non the less essential for the pirate's game.
On a more serious note:
I don't see a problem in gank-as-gank-can per se. As the OP said: there's no difference between a 0.0 and a low-sec hauler.
And killing newbies? Well first of all they get a clear warning entering low-sec. And second of all what would a newbie lose? An insured ship with T1 fitting. Such a loss would set you back a bit but else? Come on.
One aspect of piracy is unbalanced I admit. Hi-sec suicide ganking. It's just too easy. And I say that despite the fact that I have done it often enough myself.
The insurance paying for your "loss" is oh so surrealistic.
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sophisticatedlimabean
Gallente
FATAL REVELATIONS
FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.03 13:22:00 -
[32]
Originally by: Ladyah Liandri
Originally by: Scum Killer
Being an anti-pirate my view is that most, but not all, pirates are bullies and cowards but non the less essential for the game.
Being a pirate my view is that most, but not all, anti-pirates are bullies and cowards but non the less essential for the pirate's game.
On a more serious note:
I don't see a problem in gank-as-gank-can per se. As the OP said: there's no difference between a 0.0 and a low-sec hauler.
And killing newbies? Well first of all they get a clear warning entering low-sec. And second of all what would a newbie lose? An insured ship with T1 fitting. Such a loss would set you back a bit but else? Come on.
One aspect of piracy is unbalanced I admit. Hi-sec suicide ganking. It's just too easy. And I say that despite the fact that I have done it often enough myself.
The insurance paying for your "loss" is oh so surrealistic.
A suicide ganking post cool.
Excellent point buddy the first about that in this thread and also respectfuly, concisely and well written.
LOL you should see my recruitment thread there goin mental btw *gets hands slapped (dont provoke the TROLLS).
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SFShootme
The Carebear Stare
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Posted - 2007.07.03 13:57:00 -
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don't you know that it is actually HARDER to kill a hauler without centrys bashing on you?
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Dopple
Minmatar
Black Claw Exploratory
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Posted - 2007.07.03 14:10:00 -
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Not really sure what I am but I have a different play style than most listed. I will run missions for isk, mine mins for ships and ammo. All this so that I can fly through low and null sec and get into a scrap or two.
I am not a great Pvper by any means but enjoy it enough to mine mindlessly some nites for an hour(thank the gods for libraries)or more. I usually don't blow up haulers or noob ships, or shuttles. I don't pod. I rarely have any isk as I am constantly replacing mods and fitting different ships.
Pirates are part of Eve, as are ore thieves. It makes me smile every time I fly into low sec knowing that I could get into it.
I have not been playing a long time but I have noticed less cool pirates. When I started there was always a convo after the fight giving a pointer or two and a bit of chat of different tactics and a thanks for the fight. Not so much anymore.
The risks are there, if you choose to ignore them then it is on you the pilot. There are numerous counters to most tactics figure them out. There are High sec agents up to lvl 4 so if you don't want to go into low or null sec you don't have to.
This is an open game that can be played by alot of different playstyles, that is why I love it.
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hellraiser
Asguard Security Service
Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.07.03 14:23:00 -
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Piracy is just another occupation in my eyes. Some occupations are quite profitable, others not so much.
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Alpha Sentori
Caldari
kleptomaniacs
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Posted - 2007.07.03 14:55:00 -
[36]
Originally by: Moha Mend
Edited by: Moha Mend on 02/07/2007 21:56:02
But, unfortunately, in the very beginning I decided to follow the science/industry path (which I regret very much since it is a Pirates game out there).
Change if you want a new direction. That's the beauty of Eve, you can do what you want.
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So, I need to run missions for Boundless, wishing someday I can research with the lvl 5 R&D. Since I'm not lucky, the lvl 3 and lvl 4 adm agents are in Evati 0.4. I *need* to go there get and complete the missions.
You can run missions for anyone you like. Why not change?
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Due to the lack of playing time, I have no good ship, no good combat skills, no good fit, no good experience.
But you see, CCP *makes* me go into 0.4, without the proper training, if I want to get better standing, rewards and etc.
I assume you mean practical, learnt skills. That's your fault if all you do is mission running, that is all you will learn. CCP doesn't make you do anything except pay each month and sign the EULA. You can mission away in high sec, just don't be greedy and you don't have to go near low sec atm.
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And when I avoid a pirate, or get ship destroyed, and even the times I got podded, I haven't learn nothing at all, I'm just the stupid noob carebear which doesn't have combat experience and doesn't keep good safe actions that you in forum keep talking about :)
This time, taking the chance of the thread, maybe some pirate can really add something which makes sense in the discussion, instead of the usual smack talk.
Why don't you get on the recruitment forum and get into a Corp that will give you the experience you want/need. You can even join a mission running Corp if you like.
Why am I bothering You just want to whine a lot don't you. Get off your backside and do something about it or alternatively, carry on and uninstall Eve having learnt nothing.
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The first guy that asked for my stuff, contact me in game, I have just one more month in the game.
I'll have it
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Plim
Gallente
Celestial Apocalypse
Insurgency
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Posted - 2007.07.03 15:45:00 -
[37]
Originally by: Moha Mend
See, if you're ridding your bike in RL and all of the sudden Bill Gates, Donald Trump and George Soros block the street with their audis and gold laser MGs and steal your money for lunch, wouldn't you say that something is wrong?
How can this be profitable?
Eh? That is how profit is made, the few rich guys steal from lots and lots of little guys.
What you just described is exactly how it works lol
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sophisticatedlimabean
Gallente
FATAL REVELATIONS
FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.03 17:39:00 -
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Some interesting ideas here although id go as far to say that as a member of an alliance that the biggest thiefs in the game are the carrier pilots who buy mods in empire bring em up to 0.0 then put em on the markeet at 3-400% markup.
GODDAMN im a pirate but 400%.
Makes the 88 kils in one day i did not so long ago make me look like a amatauer.
In system atm a flycatcher for 39 mil lol im in the wrong business
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Derovius Vaden
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Posted - 2007.07.03 17:45:00 -
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Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean
Ok im a -10 pirate and mt thread in witch i was lookin for a gang kinda turned into a moral debate about noobie/piracy/low sec killing.
Any way id realy like ppl's real opinion about piracy cos if i gank a hauler in 0.0 nobody seems to care but a hauler in low sec causes such a fuss. And to my mind both are for profit, like miners mine, ratters rat, pvpers pop others players to make iskies.
My pirate lfg thread ius the flamer lol
Please don't turn this into a flamer its a honest thread for honest opinions on both side of the fence.
Wow, I think my IQ dropped slightly trying to read through your post. 
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milinkoee
Bastage Incorporated
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Posted - 2007.07.03 17:51:00 -
[40]
Originally by: Derovius Vaden
Wow, I think my IQ dropped slightly trying to read through your post.
Having read a few of your other troll posts, I find it hard to believe your IQ could drop any further. 
Bastage, Inc.
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Derovius Vaden
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Posted - 2007.07.03 17:52:00 -
[41]
Originally by: milinkoee
Originally by: Derovius Vaden
Wow, I think my IQ dropped slightly trying to read through your post.
Having read a few of your other troll posts, I find it hard to believe your IQ could drop any further.
Whats really funny is that people knew exactly what they were, but still posted. Lack of self control ftw?
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milinkoee
Bastage Incorporated
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Posted - 2007.07.03 17:54:00 -
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Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean
Some interesting ideas here although id go as far to say that as a member of an alliance that the biggest thiefs in the game are the carrier pilots who buy mods in empire bring em up to 0.0 then put em on the markeet at 3-400% markup.
GODDAMN im a pirate but 400%.
Makes the 88 kils in one day i did not so long ago make me look like a amatauer.
In system atm a flycatcher for 39 mil lol im in the wrong business
LMAO, I have often told friends that my carebear alt has griefed way more players than my pirate.
Bastage, Inc.
Worst Pirates Ever!!! |
Plaetean
Hybrid Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.07.03 17:56:00 -
[43]
Originally by: Derovius Vaden
Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean
Ok im a -10 pirate and mt thread in witch i was lookin for a gang kinda turned into a moral debate about noobie/piracy/low sec killing.
Any way id realy like ppl's real opinion about piracy cos if i gank a hauler in 0.0 nobody seems to care but a hauler in low sec causes such a fuss. And to my mind both are for profit, like miners mine, ratters rat, pvpers pop others players to make iskies.
My pirate lfg thread ius the flamer lol
Please don't turn this into a flamer its a honest thread for honest opinions on both side of the fence.
Wow, I think my IQ dropped slightly trying to read through your post.
What has the world come to, I'm agreeing with boob head!
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Cat Casidy
Death of Virtue
FreeFall Securities
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Posted - 2007.07.03 17:58:00 -
[44]
Originally by: Moha Mend
If a -10 pirate want to sell stolen things all he needs is an dumb alt.
actualy you dont need an alt, the best way is to just sell it in the same system for like 25% off and catch the next guy looking for a "great deal"
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Dr Carstein
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Posted - 2007.07.03 23:34:00 -
[45]
Edited by: Dr Carstein on 03/07/2007 23:32:55
Not long ago I lost a hauler in 0.4 space with 14 million isk worth of antibiotics in my hold. I haven't been playing for long, so it was a major set back to my bank account. 
I was more than a little annoyed, so after I bought another hauler I stuck to high sec space. After trading like this for a few days I started to get bored, so I did a couple of trade runs in low sec space again. Obviously it wasn't long before I got attacked again, but I had learnt from my previous mistakes and I escaped.
Since then I've lost more ships and learnt more lessons, and it's been great fun. Coming up with new ideas and ship layouts to evade pirates has become one of my favourite pass times in Eve.
On occasion I've actually managed to take pirates down and add their loot to my cargo. There's nothing more embarrassing than being target and warp jammed then killed painfully slowly with a pea shooter by the hauler you were supposed to be exploiting!
I don't care when or where they strike, how brutal they are and if I lose millions of isk, pirates make Eve a much more exciting and dynamic place to be and I hope it stays that way.
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Zero Legion
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Posted - 2007.07.04 02:59:00 -
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I am a carebear. I like a bit of pew pew, but I dont go to low sec withouts things I can afford to lose.
And the whole Pireacy thing is simple human nature, we are giving freedom, and power, a dangeros combination.
W/o Pirates the game would become to easy, you gotta work for your ISK.
Keep up the good work asshats 
We are nothing, formless and void.
We are a lack of all.
Alone we are powerless, together we are unstoppable.
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T'Renn
Vale Heavy Industries
Molotov Coalition
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Posted - 2007.07.04 05:04:00 -
[47]
Piracy has a lot of forms, and they are all fun. Being -10 is fun, but having the ability to travel throughout empire is also quite fun. I have personally "retired" from empire piracy. I'm tired of camping gates while tanking sentries and getting shot at by every nubi n a battlecruiser as i'm traveling through lowsec. For me (for now) I'll be sticking to the way things are. Once you gank enough nubs it gets sort of boring and I want to instead hone my skills and enhance my game experience by facing off against capable opponents as often as possible.
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Sunny Mooninite
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.07.04 12:36:00 -
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Piracy is a subset of PvP, but instead of attacking legitimate targets, you attack children.
PvP is to Sex what Piracy is to pedophilia.
To put it another way, PvP is grown men going to war, piracy is 20 men stomping on a 10 year old boy while waving their genitalia around.
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Modrak Vseth
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Posted - 2007.07.04 13:01:00 -
[49]
Originally by: Sunny Mooninite
Piracy is a subset of PvP, but instead of attacking legitimate targets, you attack children.
PvP is to Sex what Piracy is to pedophilia.
To put it another way, PvP is grown men going to war, piracy is 20 men stomping on a 10 year old boy while waving their genitalia around.
So that would make the solo Rifter pilot taking on a ratting or mishing cruiser the 10 year old boy landing the hot 21 year old teacher? Sign me up!
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Kharadran Sullath
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.07.04 13:07:00 -
[50]
Edited by: Kharadran Sullath on 04/07/2007 13:06:35
My alt has the time of his life every time he finds something shootable in lowsec. Piracy is good fun, and a very nice way to keep oneself going between missions. 
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Originally by: Modrak Vseth
Originally by: Sunny Mooninite
Piracy is a subset of PvP, but instead of attacking legitimate targets, you attack children.
PvP is to Sex what Piracy is to pedophilia.
To put it another way, PvP is grown men going to war, piracy is 20 men stomping on a 10 year old boy while waving their genitalia around.
So that would make the solo Rifter pilot taking on a ratting or mishing cruiser the 10 year old boy landing the hot 21 year old teacher? Sign me up!
I love it when that happens! Win
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Karlemgne
The Malevolent
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Posted - 2007.07.04 16:29:00 -
[51]
Originally by: Moha Mend
Honest opinion with no feelings?
Piracy is unbalanced.
See, if you're ridding your bike in RL and all of the sudden Bill Gates, Donald Trump and George Soros block the street with their audis and gold laser MGs and steal your money for lunch, wouldn't you say that something is wrong?
How can this be profitable?
If it's for fun, well, it must be fun kill dozens of noobs/carebears, but it isn't fun to kill well-skilled players? So why there is *so much* pirates and so few bonty hunters?
And last -- and that's because I'm leaving Eve -- there is no chance for ppl with huge love for this game but few time to play it. To escape from the ammount of pirates in Eve lately it's been impossible to play.
If a -10 pirate want to sell stolen things all he needs is an dumb alt. If the pirate want to play carebear, he needs an average alt. If he wants to collect his own bounty, all he needs is an alt.
The game is unbalanced, that's all. No flame. Look and you see for yourself.
I love this game, I love the freedom to do anything in it, with no rules. But I think I should have a better chance to play it, run lvl 3 or 4 missions and to trade, even if I only have 5 hours per week. But 5 hours per week are not enough to run missions and avoid pirates in 0.4. They are just too many, too often.
So, after 12 months, I'm quiting. No flame.
I disagree completely, but since you're leaving, can I have your stuff?
-Karlemgne
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Karlemgne
The Malevolent
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Posted - 2007.07.04 16:35:00 -
[52]
Originally by: Sunny Mooninite
Piracy is a subset of PvP, but instead of attacking legitimate targets, you attack children.
PvP is to Sex what Piracy is to pedophilia.
To put it another way, PvP is grown men going to war, piracy is 20 men stomping on a 10 year old boy while waving their genitalia around.
Bull****. I am certainly glad people like you exist, you know the type, the ones who call pirates griefers, then insinuate that in real life we are sociopaths, murderers, rapists, thieves, etc.
Well, in this case I suppose, you are trying to paint every pirate with the pedophile brush. Not only am I akin to a sociopath and a rapist, but my chosen eve profession is much like choosing to *****children? Nice.
As for piracy not being real PVP, well I certainly beg to differ. We go out every day looking for a fight, and not just fights with newbs and miners, though we are happy to blow them up, but fights with other pirates, anti-pies, and pvpers.
For instance, go check out this video of the Malevolent fighting outnumbered, OTHER pirates: http://uncutvideo.aol.com/videos/918edf36ca2b6ddeb75087fe4ac9a6b0?index=0
Then grow up.
-Karlemgne
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sophisticatedlimabean
Gallente
FATAL REVELATIONS
FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.04 16:52:00 -
[53]
Originally by: Sunny Mooninite
Piracy is a subset of PvP, but instead of attacking legitimate targets, you attack children.
PvP is to Sex what Piracy is to pedophilia.
To put it another way, PvP is grown men going to war, piracy is 20 men stomping on a 10 year old boy while waving their genitalia around.
I JUST READ THIS AND I SUGGEST THAT NO MORE POSTS ARE PUT ON THIS THREAD RESPONCES LIKE THIS ARE NOT WHY I STARTED IT.
To compare what is perhaps the most repulsive act a human being can perform to a totaly virtual environment is somthing that i believe is going to far.
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Princess Voodoo
FATAL REVELATIONS
FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.04 18:07:00 -
[54]
Originally by: Sunny Mooninite
Piracy is a subset of PvP, but instead of attacking legitimate targets, you attack children.
PvP is to Sex what Piracy is to pedophilia.
To put it another way, PvP is grown men going to war, piracy is 20 men stomping on a 10 year old boy while waving their genitalia around.
Hahahahahahah
get a grip on life twit
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lordharold
Forum Moderator
Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2007.07.04 18:46:00 -
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I've removed some trolling and flames and other things that have no relation to this discussion, keep it on topic and suitable for a teen-rated forum
-Lord Harold
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Princess Voodoo
FATAL REVELATIONS
FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.04 19:41:00 -
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Good work, what you removed was atrocious.
I KILLED SOMEONE - HERE IS A PICTURES OF IT [ ] |
sophisticatedlimabean
Gallente
FATAL REVELATIONS
FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.04 19:58:00 -
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/signed
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Gavin Darklighter
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Posted - 2007.07.05 03:59:00 -
[58]
Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean
if i gank a hauler in 0.0 nobody seems to care but a hauler in low sec causes such a fuss.
I don't see why people hate pirates so much for killing haulers and other defenseless ships. It's the hauler pilot's fault he got caught.
It may not seem "fair" for a hauler to get shot by a combat ship, since the hauler has no chance whatsoever of winning a fight, but IMO PvP in EVE is less about the actual fighting than it is about the events leading up to the fight.
Fact is only an idiot will willingly fly his ship into a situation where he knows it will die without any sort of gain for it's loss. So the true art of PvP is getting your opponent into a situation where you have an unbeatable advantage and he can not escape.
If you spring a trap on someone and kill him with a giant blob, then that pilot was out-played by a better opponent. It doesn't matter that there was nothing the pilot could do to save his ship after the fight began, the real "fight" was in the events leading up to him being trapped, and in that contest he was out-played by the people who trapped, blobbed, and raped him.
So no matter how one-sided the actual combat is, by catching your opponent in such a situation you have beaten him. Take pride in a well executed gank.
On another note, I do find it quite ammusing when a pirate, who loves killing people who have no chance of winning a fight agianst him, complains and claims we have no honor when we trap and kill him with a greater force.
When I get blobbed and killed by unbeatable odds, I don't look down on my enemy for bringing a shotgun to kill a*****roach, I admire them for the tactics used to force me into a situation where I have no escape; or kick my self for screwing up and getting killed by my own stupidity.
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P3109
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Posted - 2007.07.05 04:46:00 -
[59]
Originally by: Moha Mend
Edited by: Moha Mend on 02/07/2007 21:56:02
The guy said no flame and I'll keep like this, inspite of yours yarrs... :)
I've played for twelve months, got podded 5 times I think. The first 3 times I didn't even know someone could scramble your egg :)
But, unfortunately, in the very beginning I decided to follow the science/industry path (which I regret very much since it is a Pirates game out there).
So, I need to run missions for Boundless, wishing someday I can research with the lvl 5 R&D. Since I'm not lucky, the lvl 3 and lvl 4 adm agents are in Evati 0.4. I *need* to go there get and complete the missions.
Due to the lack of playing time, I have no good ship, no good combat skills, no good fit, no good experience.
But you see, CCP *makes* me go into 0.4, without the proper training, if I want to get better standing, rewards and etc.
And when I avoid a pirate, or get ship destroyed, and even the times I got podded, I haven't learn nothing at all, I'm just the stupid noob carebear which doesn't have combat experience and doesn't keep good safe actions that you in forum keep talking about :)
This time, taking the chance of the thread, maybe some pirate can really add something which makes sense in the discussion, instead of the usual smack talk.
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The first guy that asked for my stuff, contact me in game, I have just one more month in the game.
loosing ships isnt realy tha tbig of a deal (look here ya ya i know i suk ) you just gota pick up the peices and move on, also ccp dosent "make" you go into low sec, you do that of your own free will. shure the rewards are greater but if you dont wana get poped....dont go there
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Horas Redwyne
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Posted - 2007.07.05 07:35:00 -
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Went for some belt hunting in low sec in my inty. It takes some time but sooner or later you find a lone Cruiser or a BC in a belt and just take a poke at it. I never got under 80% armour on any of the fights and it was really not a fair fight. After the fifth kill in the night it just got boring to scan/warp in/point on/and shoot down. The people did try to fight back but were hopeless. Could really not say ôGFö coz it just felt like ôIÆm ruining your nightö. Really wonder sometimes why some pirates make it fell like its rocket science to scan down and shoot down the folks. Lowsec griefing is not really PVP but more like PVUP (player versus unprepared player). And this is belt huntingà not even going into gate campingà time to do some more missions and some more 0.0 ratting, that at least is a challenge.
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