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Soul Reaver
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Posted - 2004.01.21 12:53:00 -
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Putting it simply I will go up against you 1 v 1 and you can fly any other ship other than a scorp. I will fly my scorp.
You will never ever win :)
Nuff said I guess. Get a scorp and learn EW to the max. Most versatile ship in EvE :)
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Soul Reaver
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Posted - 2004.01.26 10:19:00 -
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Edited by: Soul Reaver on 26/01/2004 10:20:58
Well I like a nice debate :)
Drunken It would be an honour to give you some personal PvP coaching although I do charge for my services :)
ok so first points first.
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ok you will fly scorp and i will use my Raven and I shot you into pieces.
Your Scorp can also be tanked but in 1 on 1 you will lose.
Only thing I have to do is to fit a backup array in my low to prevent from jamming and I always got 150 FoF Cruise Missle at least.
With Cruise Missle lvl 5 and Standard Missle lvl 5 it¦s hard for you.
I got 5 SiegeLaunchers and 1 H50 Arbalest and of course Xlarge and 3 Tactical Shields.
I don¦t think that you got Caldari BS lvl 5.
And notice that my SiegeLaunchers got a ROF under 10 seconds and you need 18 lol.
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So lets deal with Mr Raven then firstly here.
This setup will change depending on the scenario.
If its a dual then I donĘt need a web or a warp jammer as its a conditional fight to the death. This frees up two med slots for me or even 3. I am also assuming here that no MWD would be equipped for a Dual!
If its not a dual then I will be setup with a warp jammer and a web too. In this case I would have to drop the tracking disrupters and hope he has no short range guns.
So here is my Dual to the death setup for Mr Raven
High Slots
4 neutron blasters fitted with Anti matter. Two large smart bombs in my spare highs.
Med Slots
1 Shield Booster +30%
3 Explosive shield hardeners at 50% each less any penalties applied
1 Large Shield Booster
1 Afterburner (A Nice one) just to give me a closing and keeping at range speed edge
2 tracking disrupters just to make sure you cant hit me if you fitted short range guns! And to give me the edge of time if you did.
Low Slots
4 Type D power cores for 80% Cap charging
So we engage in our dual. I immediately close to 1.0km from you activating all shields and all weapons. Your missiles are now ineffective as you will take your own splash damage from them at 1000 metres range.
With 3 shields in my meds they might scratch me a tad. With my 4 cap chargers I can run them all day and night if I wish. You will also be taking damage from my two smart bombs each time they activate taking out a large portion of your missiles anyway.
If you had fitted neutrons (you wont have in a Raven because you will be thinking long range) you could attack me with them. But because Ravens think long range you would never equip for short range (ever) so thatĘs a moot point Im afraid. Your guns whatever they may be will not hit a thing at 1km.
Have I missed anything here? Hmmm nope I guess we will pound away until you have run out of missiles and I slowly chip away at you with 4 neutrons (the heaviest hitters in game over time) and two smart bombs.
End result is your death. (always)
This scenario has been tested repeatedly always with the same result :) The Raven dies! So much for your ROF on your Siege then!
The Typhoon
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Well if you know your gonna face a scorp 1 on 1 then there is no contest who will win. It will be the Typhoon everytime. A scorpion doesn't have the luxury of pounding a ship out to death b4 it dies itself and 2 point backup ladars fit in lows so Typhoon is the ship of choice here. Also dominix and geddon fit into this category and can pwn a scorp decked out for whatever as long as your fit to fight it. Too many people are scared of Scorpions when they shouldn't be. The only time I flinch at the site of a scorp is when it has a wingman. Especially if that wingman is an apoc or another scorpion.
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Lets try Mr Typhoon he seems confident :) Once again assuming we are in a dual like above.
So here is my Dual to the death setup for Mr Typhoon
High Slots
3 neutron blasters fitted with Anti matter. One large smart bomb and Two Siege in my spare highs. The Siege Fitted with Mjolnir Torps
Med Slots
1 Shield Booster +30%
3 shield hardeners (mix) at 50% each less any penalties applied
1 Large Shield Booster
1 Afterburner (A Nice one) just to give me a closing and keep at range speed edge
2 tracking disrupters just to make sure you cant hit me if you fitted short range guns! And to give me the edge of time if you did.
Low Slots
2 Type D power cores for 40% Cap charging
2 Nice Hybrid Stabs for that extra Kick to my Guns
Ohhh look my short range Raven setup works equally as nicely with Mr Typhoon who is a Long range Man all day long huh!!! lets pan this battle out then.
So we engage in our dual. I immediately close to 2.0km from you activating all shields and all weapons. Your Guns in this case are now ineffective as you will not be able to target or track jack at 2000 metres range. With 3 shields in my meds they might scratch me a tad if they do get a lucky short range hit in. With my 2 cap chargers I can run them all day and night if I wish.
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Posted - 2004.01.26 10:20:00 -
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I can now merrily pound you to death with Torps and Neutrons while you cant hit me at all with anything. If you do have any missiles I can take most of them out with my smart bomb. My cap chargers will make sure That your dead long before I am out of cap.
This scenario has also been tested repeatedly always with the same result :) The Typhoon dies.
The only time this changed was when the Typhoon packed out with cap chargers and drainers. Then it got tricky but the Scorp still won over time! This was a balance between turning things on and off all the time and relying on the cap chargers to boost up fast.
Now of course there is always a possibility (and you could argue) that Both the Raven and the Typhoon could equip short range guns! Although I find this unlikely to be honest. They might do that once they had been bested with the above setups :) But then you get into paranoia mode sitting looking at fitting not knowing what to fit. (been there)
I use the above two battle examples to show that a Scorp can own just about anything with the right setup if the other player is playing his ship how he would under normal circumstances. Versatility is the word im looking for here. And that was my whole point.
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Posted - 2004.01.26 13:05:00 -
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Edited by: Soul Reaver on 26/01/2004 13:10:41
Exactly Elcoco
Pointless
To many differing setups
My point NajZero is that you would never run that setup on a Raven as I said :) I was trying to show you versatility and you missed the point entirely. 8 meds gives you a lot of versatility.
BUT
Any of you care to meet me for some one on one? Go on put your money where your mouths are in this debate :)
So back to my original point before I digressed with my story of setups and scenarios. The scorp is best for 1 v 1 because its just so versatile.
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Posted - 2004.01.26 15:19:00 -
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LOL indeed
Ill take that as a typical
"I dare not risk losing my battleship carebear repsonse then" ha ha
Yes LOL indeed! In fact I ROFL each day at how singulary crap most so called PvPers actually are :)
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Posted - 2004.01.27 07:50:00 -
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Edited by: Soul Reaver on 27/01/2004 11:05:07
Edited by: Soul Reaver on 27/01/2004 10:56:19
I know the battle scenarios are crazy (even though they worked) but thats the point I was trying to show versatility not endless setups and counter setups. However my offer is still open to anyone who might like to try their hand :)
Talk on here is so easy and goes round and round. Meet me anywhere in game and do some testing to prove your theorems if your all so confident :)
None of you will mind because apart from the known anti pirates and the known pirates all the rest are wanna be PvPers with little to no experience apart from the fitting bay ROFL
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Posted - 2004.01.27 15:07:00 -
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Edited by: Soul Reaver on 27/01/2004 15:08:30
oppps wrong thread lol
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