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Coreantes
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Posted - 2004.01.21 12:04:00 -
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People, in not to much words... I want to do combat, but not really EW. Though my corp needs another person in scorp, i am almost forced. But iam still not sure and find the specs of the scorp not THAT good. Also some nerfed specs there, discussed here before.
Typhoon looks good, good drone and cargo and Projectile bonus per level.
It looks like my choice is already made, but plz your comment on this...
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NajZero
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Posted - 2004.01.21 12:31:00 -
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Scorp and Typhoon are very different ships.
Scorp is an EW ship and nothing other.
The Typhoon is very fast and had lots of dronespace. But the ProjectilBonus is silly.
Projectil has a very very great falloff and you don¦t need any boni in increasing range, so the Tempest boni is much better and you need projectil damage and ROF.
I¦can fly all BS atm and I¦m in a Raven now, but im heading to have a Tempest because it¦s the balanced BS in the Game now. Raven is going to suck with the Misslechanges.
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darth solo
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Posted - 2004.01.21 12:52:00 -
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Scorp is an EW ship and nothing other.
You are joking arnt u .
Have u ever tried to take out a Tanked scorp?.
I have been in many battles with a scorp that doesnt have EW, and i havnt lost one in months.
the high CPU means u can fit XL booster with amps and tacs, and you have 8 med slots to do this in .
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Soul Reaver
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Posted - 2004.01.21 12:53:00 -
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Putting it simply I will go up against you 1 v 1 and you can fly any other ship other than a scorp. I will fly my scorp.
You will never ever win :)
Nuff said I guess. Get a scorp and learn EW to the max. Most versatile ship in EvE :)
Be you a Pirate or a Simple Alt creeper! Sooner or later you'll dance with Soul Reaver and His Amazing Underpants
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NajZero
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Posted - 2004.01.21 13:50:00 -
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lol, ok you will fly scorp and i will use my Raven and I shot you into pieces.
Your Scorp can also be tanked but in 1 on 1 you will lose.
Only thing I have to do is to fit a backup array in my low to prevent from jamming and I always got 150 FoF Cruise Missle at least.
With Cruise Missle lvl 5 and Standard Missle lvl 5 it¦s hard for you.
I got 5 SiegeLaunchers and 1 H50 Arbalest and of course Xlarge and 3 Tactical Shields.
I don¦t think that you got Caldari BS lvl 5.
And notice that my SiegeLaunchers got a ROF under 10 seconds and you need 18 lol.
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drunkenmaster
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Posted - 2004.01.21 14:57:00 -
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Putting it simply I will go up against you 1 v 1 and you can fly any other ship other than a scorp. I will fly my scorp.
You will never ever win :)
Nuff said I guess. Get a scorp and learn EW to the max. Most versatile ship in EvE :)
I might have to take you up on that one day 
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Jim Raynor
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Posted - 2004.01.21 15:03:00 -
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What's nice about the Scorpion is the fact the ship has 937 cpu with electronics 5. You never have CPU problems with a Scorpion, ever.
2 turrets 4 seige launcher XL shield booster shield hardeners shield boost amp, no problem fitting all that stuff.
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darth solo
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Posted - 2004.01.21 15:09:00 -
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Putting it simply I will go up against you 1 v 1 and you can fly any other ship other than a scorp. I will fly my scorp.
You will never ever win :)
Nuff said I guess. Get a scorp and learn EW to the max. Most versatile ship in EvE :)
I might have to take you up on that one day
Iv been beaten twice on chaos by a mega, me in a raven.
mega 1v1 fitted for close range combat owns everything else IMO.
fleet battles its not too tasty though.
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Kaylon Syi
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Posted - 2004.01.22 21:19:00 -
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Typhoon... Nuff said. If you need to know why, then get a scorpion.
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Lucas Bowman
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Posted - 2004.01.23 02:18:00 -
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You're corp is forcing you into a Scorp? That's gotta suck. You should be able to pick whatever ship you wanna fly mate! Come talk to me, we'll fix you up.
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Hallinskide
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Posted - 2004.01.23 03:01:00 -
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2 turrets 4 seige launcher XL shield booster shield hardeners shield boost amp, no problem fitting all that stuff.
4 Turrets, 4 seige, XL shield booster and 3 hardeners on a Typhoon are no problem with the right skills as well and your booster can run much longer due to the many low slots for cap relays
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2004.01.23 03:35:00 -
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2 turrets 4 seige launcher XL shield booster shield hardeners shield boost amp, no problem fitting all that stuff.
4 Turrets, 4 seige, XL shield booster and 3 hardeners on a Typhoon are no problem with the right skills as well and your booster can run much longer due to the many low slots for cap relays
What 4 turrets are those exactly? Because I own a Typhoon and a Tempest. With Engineering, Electronics and Weapon Upgrades all trained to lvl 5 I'm considering wrapping them in tinfoil to gain an extra tf or mw through electromagnetic fields 
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Coreantes
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Posted - 2004.01.23 09:40:00 -
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Well... i guess i'll stick with the Scorp for now, because i cant fly a Typhoon just yet.
I am just not keen on EW... thats why i asked this question! I guess i rather stick to range... and imho i guess typhoon/tempest are pretty good in that...
I will think about this! Tnx for awnsers anyways! 
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Hallinskide
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Posted - 2004.01.23 09:57:00 -
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What 4 turrets are those exactly?
800mm repeating work very well giving you an excellent mid-range setup (10-20km) especially if you add the huge drone space the Typhoon has.
You may also be able to fit 1200mm if you wish to do so (not together with siege launchers however), depending on what you want to do.
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Jarjar
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Posted - 2004.01.23 10:27:00 -
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Putting it simply I will go up against you 1 v 1 and you can fly any other ship other than a scorp. I will fly my scorp.
You will never ever win :)
I might have to take you up on that one day
Well, he only need 3 or 4 medslots to jam you, 3 if you don't use ECCM. Then, the other 4-5 medslots for tanking, and lows for cap relays. I don't think you'll win to be honest, the drones and whatever other firepower you may have (2 launchers for FoFs?) won't take him out.
I don't think he meant he'll *win* against everyone, esp. not tanked ships, but not lose either
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Stonyvision
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Posted - 2004.01.23 13:08:00 -
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Scorp is an EW ship and nothing other.
You are joking arnt u.
Have u ever tried to take out a Tanked scorp?.
I have been in many battles with a scorp that doesnt have EW, and i havnt lost one in months.
the high CPU means u can fit XL booster with amps and tacs, and you have 8 med slots to do this in.
That's a silly setup tho. YOu just can't deal a lot of damage in a scorp so your setup is just cowardish since oyu are there and just can't die... but are not useful either.
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ElCoCo
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Posted - 2004.01.23 13:26:00 -
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That's a silly setup tho. YOu just can't deal a lot of damage in a scorp so your setup is just cowardish since oyu are there and just can't die... but are not useful either.
And a scorp that is not tanked can do more damage?
I`m assuming you mean he can ECM,damp etc
If you don`t mean that it beats me why a tanked scorp shouldn`t be able to fit the same weapons and deal the same amount of damage as an EW one -or whatever setup- 
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darth solo
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Posted - 2004.01.23 13:28:00 -
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Scorp is an EW ship and nothing other.
You are joking arnt u.
Have u ever tried to take out a Tanked scorp?.
I have been in many battles with a scorp that doesnt have EW, and i havnt lost one in months.
the high CPU means u can fit XL booster with amps and tacs, and you have 8 med slots to do this in.
That's a silly setup tho. YOu just can't deal a lot of damage in a scorp so your setup is just cowardish since oyu are there and just can't die... but are not useful either.
LOL, silly?.
a tanked scorp can hold a ship with a web and warp scrambler, while he calls in backup, also it has 4 siege launchers and 2 megas/425mm arnt there for show, u dont use ALL the med slots for shields(stacking penalty).
So, work that one out matey, not usefull, omg, lol.
i dont even use a scorp anymore, but they are great ships.
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Coreantes
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Posted - 2004.01.23 15:00:00 -
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LOL, silly?.
a tanked scorp can hold a ship with a web and warp scrambler, while he calls in backup, also it has 4 siege launchers and 2 megas/425mm arnt there for show, u dont use ALL the med slots for shields(stacking penalty).
So, work that one out matey, not usefull, omg, lol.
i dont even use a scorp anymore, but they are great ships.
What are you using now?
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Blade Durrant
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Posted - 2004.01.23 15:25:00 -
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Honestly i think 1v1 a scorpion and a typhoon will just sit there and stare at each other.
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Kaylon Syi
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Posted - 2004.01.23 18:58:00 -
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Honestly i think 1v1 a scorpion and a typhoon will just sit there and stare at each other.
Well if you know your gonna face a scorp 1 on 1 then there is no contest who will win. It will be the Typhoon everytime. A scorpion doesn't have the luxury of pounding a ship out to death b4 it dies itself and 2 point backup ladars fit in lows so Typhoon is the ship of choice here. Also dominix and geddon fit into this category and can pwn a scorp decked out for whatever as long as your fit to fight it. Too many people are scared of Scorpions when they shouldn't be. The only time I flinch at the site of a scorp is when it has a wingman. Especially if that wingman is an apoc or another scorpion.
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Jim Raynor
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Posted - 2004.01.23 19:04:00 -
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Honestly i think 1v1 a scorpion and a typhoon will just sit there and stare at each other.
Well if you know your gonna face a scorp 1 on 1 then there is no contest who will win. It will be the Typhoon everytime. A scorpion doesn't have the luxury of pounding a ship out to death b4 it dies itself and 2 point backup ladars fit in lows so Typhoon is the ship of choice here. Also dominix and geddon fit into this category and can pwn a scorp decked out for whatever as long as your fit to fight it. Too many people are scared of Scorpions when they shouldn't be. The only time I flinch at the site of a scorp is when it has a wingman. Especially if that wingman is an apoc or another scorpion.
LADAR backup arrays do nothing if someone is using sensor dampeners, also Scorpion is pretty good as a shield tank.
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Pojo
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Posted - 2004.01.23 20:13:00 -
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With so few med slots the only thing a typhoon is gonna use is sensor dampners. This plays right into its strenghts of being the hardest bs to lock and the fastest bs that gets a lock. Scorpions are over rated, if the other guy has decent experience it could easily go either way.
"Caldari capacity for good is only exceeded by our capacity for evil"
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2004.01.24 03:27:00 -
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Edited by: Jash Illian on 24/01/2004 03:29:16
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4 Turrets, 4 seige, XL shield booster and 3 hardeners on a Typhoon are no problem with the right skills as well and your booster can run much longer due to the many low slots for cap relays
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What 4 turrets are those exactly?
800mm repeating work very well giving you an excellent mid-range setup (10-20km) especially if you add the huge drone space the Typhoon has.
You may also be able to fit 1200mm if you wish to do so (not together with siege launchers however), depending on what you want to do.
See, this is the type of stuff that ****es me off.
It took me a couple days, mostly because I was busy at a location away from my Typhoon.
4 800mm Repeating + 3 S-110 Seige Launchers + Electronics 5 + Weapon Upgrades 5 + Engineering 5 =
297/750 CPU
11000/11875 Powergrid
You come up short 175 mw to activate the 4th siege launcher. And there's no XL Shield booster yet.
I can make things fit with RCUs or PDSs. But do not give the impression that it's an easy fit.
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Hallinskide
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Posted - 2004.01.24 23:50:00 -
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The Typhoon has 7 low slots ... I would say that having to use one or two of them to get the firepower you need could still be considered a rather easy fit. Would be different with only 2 lows of course ...
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Slithereen
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Posted - 2004.01.25 01:40:00 -
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Edited by: Slithereen on 25/01/2004 01:47:52
I acquired a used Typhoon that saw much of its days working in the Curse region, and brought the ship to my secret testing facilities.
Suffice to say, I like what I saw.
Its flying and locking speed is quite fast, that you feel like flying a Level 3 cruiser than than a battleship, not to mention its agility. It's as fast as my Moa and Maller, and nearly locks as fast.
If there is a ship in the game that defines the word "Battlecruiser", this is it.
Strangely, this ship makes it easier than a Raven to fit Siege Launchers, mainly because it has the same amount of CPU (600pts---50pts higher than the Tempest) but it's got more slots to put CPU boosters. Partly it also does not have much mid slots to use CPU power, and you will undoubtedly use projectiles for it, and Projs use the least CPU of all.
While the 1400s have long falloff, the Typhoon's range bonus means you will be shooting less into this falloff using the shortest range and most damaging ammo. That means greater percentage of effective hits vs. the more damage per hits of the Tempest.
Scorps play well with an EW and tanking strategy.
The Tempest is the fastest and hardest hitting Tier 1 battleship there. If you want to play with the Typhoon, there is one way to play it and that is offensive. This is a a strike and fade ship, a hit and run ship, where speed and range is more vital to its survival than strength. Afterburners and MWDs work well with these strategies, and no doubt this is well hinted with NPC loot in Minmatar regions drop a lot of these. Use its speed to maintain range in battle, so he hurts you less while you hurt him more.
Given its speed and decent cargo capacity (625 is the biggest of all tier 1 BS), I would heartily recommend the Typhoon if you're looking for a battleship for doing agent missions. The Scorp is a pain to fly after you've flown on a Typhoon.
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Soul Reaver
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Posted - 2004.01.26 10:19:00 -
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Edited by: Soul Reaver on 26/01/2004 10:20:58
Well I like a nice debate :)
Drunken It would be an honour to give you some personal PvP coaching although I do charge for my services :)
ok so first points first.
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ok you will fly scorp and i will use my Raven and I shot you into pieces.
Your Scorp can also be tanked but in 1 on 1 you will lose.
Only thing I have to do is to fit a backup array in my low to prevent from jamming and I always got 150 FoF Cruise Missle at least.
With Cruise Missle lvl 5 and Standard Missle lvl 5 it¦s hard for you.
I got 5 SiegeLaunchers and 1 H50 Arbalest and of course Xlarge and 3 Tactical Shields.
I don¦t think that you got Caldari BS lvl 5.
And notice that my SiegeLaunchers got a ROF under 10 seconds and you need 18 lol.
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So lets deal with Mr Raven then firstly here.
This setup will change depending on the scenario.
If its a dual then I donĘt need a web or a warp jammer as its a conditional fight to the death. This frees up two med slots for me or even 3. I am also assuming here that no MWD would be equipped for a Dual!
If its not a dual then I will be setup with a warp jammer and a web too. In this case I would have to drop the tracking disrupters and hope he has no short range guns.
So here is my Dual to the death setup for Mr Raven
High Slots
4 neutron blasters fitted with Anti matter. Two large smart bombs in my spare highs.
Med Slots
1 Shield Booster +30%
3 Explosive shield hardeners at 50% each less any penalties applied
1 Large Shield Booster
1 Afterburner (A Nice one) just to give me a closing and keeping at range speed edge
2 tracking disrupters just to make sure you cant hit me if you fitted short range guns! And to give me the edge of time if you did.
Low Slots
4 Type D power cores for 80% Cap charging
So we engage in our dual. I immediately close to 1.0km from you activating all shields and all weapons. Your missiles are now ineffective as you will take your own splash damage from them at 1000 metres range.
With 3 shields in my meds they might scratch me a tad. With my 4 cap chargers I can run them all day and night if I wish. You will also be taking damage from my two smart bombs each time they activate taking out a large portion of your missiles anyway.
If you had fitted neutrons (you wont have in a Raven because you will be thinking long range) you could attack me with them. But because Ravens think long range you would never equip for short range (ever) so thatĘs a moot point Im afraid. Your guns whatever they may be will not hit a thing at 1km.
Have I missed anything here? Hmmm nope I guess we will pound away until you have run out of missiles and I slowly chip away at you with 4 neutrons (the heaviest hitters in game over time) and two smart bombs.
End result is your death. (always)
This scenario has been tested repeatedly always with the same result :) The Raven dies! So much for your ROF on your Siege then!
The Typhoon
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Well if you know your gonna face a scorp 1 on 1 then there is no contest who will win. It will be the Typhoon everytime. A scorpion doesn't have the luxury of pounding a ship out to death b4 it dies itself and 2 point backup ladars fit in lows so Typhoon is the ship of choice here. Also dominix and geddon fit into this category and can pwn a scorp decked out for whatever as long as your fit to fight it. Too many people are scared of Scorpions when they shouldn't be. The only time I flinch at the site of a scorp is when it has a wingman. Especially if that wingman is an apoc or another scorpion.
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Lets try Mr Typhoon he seems confident :) Once again assuming we are in a dual like above.
So here is my Dual to the death setup for Mr Typhoon
High Slots
3 neutron blasters fitted with Anti matter. One large smart bomb and Two Siege in my spare highs. The Siege Fitted with Mjolnir Torps
Med Slots
1 Shield Booster +30%
3 shield hardeners (mix) at 50% each less any penalties applied
1 Large Shield Booster
1 Afterburner (A Nice one) just to give me a closing and keep at range speed edge
2 tracking disrupters just to make sure you cant hit me if you fitted short range guns! And to give me the edge of time if you did.
Low Slots
2 Type D power cores for 40% Cap charging
2 Nice Hybrid Stabs for that extra Kick to my Guns
Ohhh look my short range Raven setup works equally as nicely with Mr Typhoon who is a Long range Man all day long huh!!! lets pan this battle out then.
So we engage in our dual. I immediately close to 2.0km from you activating all shields and all weapons. Your Guns in this case are now ineffective as you will not be able to target or track jack at 2000 metres range. With 3 shields in my meds they might scratch me a tad if they do get a lucky short range hit in. With my 2 cap chargers I can run them all day and night if I wish.
Be you a Pirate or a Simple Alt creeper! Sooner or later you'll dance with Soul Reaver and His Amazing Underpants
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Soul Reaver
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Posted - 2004.01.26 10:20:00 -
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I can now merrily pound you to death with Torps and Neutrons while you cant hit me at all with anything. If you do have any missiles I can take most of them out with my smart bomb. My cap chargers will make sure That your dead long before I am out of cap.
This scenario has also been tested repeatedly always with the same result :) The Typhoon dies.
The only time this changed was when the Typhoon packed out with cap chargers and drainers. Then it got tricky but the Scorp still won over time! This was a balance between turning things on and off all the time and relying on the cap chargers to boost up fast.
Now of course there is always a possibility (and you could argue) that Both the Raven and the Typhoon could equip short range guns! Although I find this unlikely to be honest. They might do that once they had been bested with the above setups :) But then you get into paranoia mode sitting looking at fitting not knowing what to fit. (been there)
I use the above two battle examples to show that a Scorp can own just about anything with the right setup if the other player is playing his ship how he would under normal circumstances. Versatility is the word im looking for here. And that was my whole point.
Be you a Pirate or a Simple Alt creeper! Sooner or later you'll dance with Soul Reaver and His Amazing Underpants
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NajZero
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Posted - 2004.01.26 11:02:00 -
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Edited by: NajZero on 26/01/2004 11:04:12
Lol Hey Mr Scorp.
If we all know the scenarios before, it¦s easy to fit. Ok gimme your 4 Blaster and i just say lol.
I fit then 4 Neutron Blaster with anti matter and 2 Large Smartbombs with EMP damage 1 with thermal or explosiv and 1 with Kinetic.
Maybe 5 Capacitor Power Relays and in Medslots a real tank setup. And what do you do with your scorp then.
You have 2 options. First is you run like a wussi!! and second, you will die keeping your honor. But you have no chance against a Raven with this setup.
I hate ppl, having no knowledge and talking about tactics, pffff.
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Slithereen
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Posted - 2004.01.26 11:47:00 -
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Don't you love this "My d*ck is longer than your d*ck" debates? So typical of men...
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"Hope is wasted on the Hopeless."---Mandy, The Grim Adventures of Billy and Mandy.
"Stars are holes in the sky from which the light of the Infinite shine through."---Confucius.
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