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Alis Aquilae
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Posted - 2007.07.04 08:57:00 -
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Edited by: Alis Aquilae on 04/07/2007 08:56:08 Game changes are a good thing.
As has been mentioned in this thread..
1)Get the implant that reduces CPU on missiles. 2)Change your setup (torps, or diff cruises) 3)If the above are too much, and you really want to show you are serious, quit. Of course, you won't. Because you know deep inside it isn't nearly that big of a deal, and many other battleships users are still envious of just how easy it is to fit a Raven/CNR as the absolute best L4 mission runner in this game.
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Cadiz
Caldari No Quarter. Vae Victis.
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Posted - 2007.07.04 09:16:00 -
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Edited by: Cadiz on 04/07/2007 09:15:23
Originally by: Veetor Put away the nerf bat CCP. I just logged in to find my favorite mission Raven crippled. I am sick and tired of working for things ...skilling...only to have my setups torn apart at your whim. You want to change things??? then friggin ADD stuff. Something unbalanced? Then invent the cure and ADD it to the market. Ive just about had it...and NO! you cant have my stuff. If someone is inventive enuff to find an advantage in the thousands of combinations of ship setup possibilities then they deserve to reap benefits.
Hey, now you have a little inkling of how my Blasterthron felt after the EANM CPU nerf that came with Rev2! Ah, faction gear, thou art mine soul recourse... ------ Director, No Quarter "There is no problem that cannot be solved by the judicious application of violence." |
insidion
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Posted - 2007.07.04 09:24:00 -
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Seems to me that the biggest reason for them to do this, outside of the arguable balancing, is to reduce the effectiveness of the infamous cloaked raven setup, often used by 'isk farmers'. I have a CNR raven that I use for mission running myself and didn't have to change a thing personally, so it didn't bother me and don't see why it should have any real impact on legitimate players.
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Veetor
Gallente Acme Manufacturing
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Posted - 2007.07.04 09:32:00 -
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Edited by: Veetor on 04/07/2007 09:32:55 heh ya...what Alis said....but I did quit for 6 mos after the big drone nerf.
BTW..radeon x1950 pros are cheap now and my old amd athlon 64 system runs 2 accts at over 40 fps each in space. Its a v/good budget backup system for me and hope someone can use the info. My framerates on the main system are classified due to possible nerfing. ;)
I havent found a use for cloaked ravens btw.
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F'nog
Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp. Valainaloce
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Posted - 2007.07.04 09:34:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari Why do people who whine always have tons of accounts?
People who quit always seem to have a whole bunch of accounts, too.
I don't know what you're talking about. I've got over 1000 accounts, and I'm still playing.
I'm also some of Eve's most (in)famous players. I'm also at war with at least half of my alts.
I may or may not be replying to my own post.
I used to get It. Then It changed. Now I don't even know what It is.
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Setana Manoro
Gallente Firefly Inc.
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Posted - 2007.07.04 09:35:00 -
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Originally by: Shameless Avenger
Originally by: X99 Z990 Lol try fitting a geddon or megathron.
Megathron:
In just a few weeks, you can fly one. But don't expect to fit it properly until a year or so.
Heh ... that doesn't even stack up against the SP needed to fly and use properly a Geddon. :)
Caldari are the plague of EVE, little whiners that must be cleansed from TQ. |
Niccolado Starwalker
Shadow Templars
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Posted - 2007.07.04 09:43:00 -
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Originally by: Veetor Put away the nerf bat CCP. I just logged in to find my favorite mission Raven crippled. I am sick and tired of working for things ...skilling...only to have my setups torn apart at your whim. You want to change things??? then friggin ADD stuff. Something unbalanced? Then invent the cure and ADD it to the market. Ive just about had it...and NO! you cant have my stuff. If someone is inventive enuff to find an advantage in the thousands of combinations of ship setup possibilities then they deserve to reap benefits.
Please tell me, what does this have to do with you having 5 accounts? If you dont like the game in the first place, you would not have 5 accounts. And the case you mentioned is not something radically new that have come overnight to warrant you bringing it up like this now.
Please take your whines somewhere else. Or if you absolutely have to post, at least make it constructive!!
Originally by: Eldo Davip PORTRAITS OMFG WOOT. WE R GONIG FOR MROE BREEE!!!!11
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Maglorre
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Posted - 2007.07.04 10:22:00 -
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Here's an idea. Train some skills. Other people can fit a full rack of T2 launchers on their Ravens and those use 66 CPU compared to 60 on the T1 variant and 51 on the best named T1.
Where's the issue?
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Razvedchitsa
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Posted - 2007.07.04 11:09:00 -
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On the other hand there are new implants that increase CPU and PG output of any ship by 1%, 3% and 5%. Ring a bell? Adapt? But nooooo, it so much easier to whine.
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Lance Hawke
Beyond Divinity Inc Blind Beavers
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Posted - 2007.07.04 11:18:00 -
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I HAVE 9 BILLION ACCOUNTS AND IF CCP DOESNT DO EXACTLY WHAT I WANT IM QUITTING AND I MEAN IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Edania
Caldari 9th army CMC Edge Of Sanity
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Posted - 2007.07.04 11:38:00 -
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i have one account and im going to continue playing as are 4 of my corp mates with one account
the "nerf" effects several of them there staying,
your mighty economic expenditure being worth our entire collective expenditure however clearly puts you in the right.
Quote: my Clone was excelent, i just had too many skillpoints
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar Sicarri Covenant
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Posted - 2007.07.04 11:41:00 -
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Let's see..... 5 accounts...... $14.95/month/account..... That's $14.95 * 5....... carry the 2.... $74.75/month in USD... = OMG you really REALLY need to get laid.
Tic Toc Tic Toc , time is ticking ~Liz Kali
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Frecator Dementa
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.07.04 11:43:00 -
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Originally by: Lance Hawke I HAVE 9 BILLION ACCOUNTS AND IF CCP DOESNT DO EXACTLY WHAT I WANT IM QUITTING AND I MEAN IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
OMG, do as the man says, quick! ----------------------- forum ate my post again |
Lars Lodar
Caldari Angels of the Apocolypse
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Posted - 2007.07.04 11:44:00 -
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I didn't even realize CCP 'nerfed' the Raven. In fact I came up with a perma boosting Raven setup that is probably better than what you have, it's uber affordable, and requires only a million skillpoints in Engineering.
High 6x Arbalest Cruise Launchers 1x Drone Link Augmentor I 1x Heavy Diminishing NOS
Medium 1x Large Shield Booster II 1x Shield Boost Amplifier II 3x Mission Specific Active Hardeners II 1x Cap Recharger II
Low 2x Ballistic Control System II 1x Power Diagnostic System II 2x Capacitor Flux Coil II
Rigs 3x Capacitor Control Circuits I
Now I'll accept a isk donation.
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Ulii
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Posted - 2007.07.04 11:50:00 -
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Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny Let's see..... 5 accounts...... $14.95/month/account..... That's $14.95 * 5....... carry the 2.... $74.75/month in USD... = OMG you really REALLY need to get laid.
he can be one of the almoust-as-bad-as-isk-sellers?
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Detrol
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.07.04 11:51:00 -
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Originally by: Veetor Where else am I supposed to post a grievance? And how is ccp supposed to know if i dont post. And BTW...maxing grid and cpu on ships is not exploitive, its efficient. Logging in to find a worthless fleet sucs!
5 accts...2 core duo puters with radeon x1900xtx's and 58" total of lcd goodness :) FTW
It's the way you post it. You're immediately threatening with leaving. You're not looking for a new fitting or an reason behind the change, you want the original solution back so YOU don't have to do anything and YOU don't care if others are benefiting from the change cause YOUR shippie is no longer capable of flying with YOUR setup.
A different approach could have been to post a number of alternative setups and indicate that they're less powerfull and ask the community how you can overcome the latest change and get a similar ship fitting. Who knows, you might even get a better one.
But no.... you have to whine, threaten and in general be annoying to the community.... you don't want to spend time at it, you just want your good ol' setting back.
Very strange behavior for somebody who (as you say yourself) 'enjoys finding the best setup for a ship' if you ask me.
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Cypherous
Minmatar Liberty Rogues Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.07.04 11:52:00 -
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You'll now notice there are implants to increase you CPU ammount mate so go get one of those ;) ---------
Liberty Rogues Website
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Edania
Caldari 9th army CMC Edge Of Sanity
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Posted - 2007.07.04 11:52:00 -
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Originally by: Lars Lodar I didn't even realize CCP 'nerfed' the Raven. In fact I came up with a perma boosting Raven setup that is probably better than what you have, it's uber affordable, and requires only a million skillpoints in Engineering.
High 6x Arbalest Cruise Launchers 1x Drone Link Augmentor I 1x Heavy Diminishing NOS
Medium 1x Large Shield Booster II 1x Shield Boost Amplifier II 3x Mission Specific Active Hardeners II 1x Cap Recharger II
Low 2x Ballistic Control System II 1x Power Diagnostic System II 2x Capacitor Flux Coil II
Rigs 3x Capacitor Control Circuits I
Now I'll accept a isk donation.
lol i like the sarcasm cause puting 3 CCCs on any ship and perma tanking requires possibly days of thought
Quote: my Clone was excelent, i just had too many skillpoints
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Foppemoa
Caldari Royal Swedish Capsulers Inc.
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Posted - 2007.07.04 11:57:00 -
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Same for me, my perma-tanked raven wasn't affected at all by the "nerf". Then again, they didn't change the t2 launchers right?..
High 6x Cruise II 1x 425mm 'Scout' 1x Heavy Diminishing NOS
Medium 1x Large Shield Booster II 4x Mission Specific Active Hardeners II 1x Cap Recharger II
Low 1x Ballistic Control System II 3x Power Diagnostic System II 1x named DC
Rigs 3x Capacitor Control Circuits I
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Yifan Ma
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Posted - 2007.07.04 13:03:00 -
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The original poster is upset, that much is plain to see, but him having 5 accounts is to be of note. If the purpose of CCP is to make money, his opinion should be worth more than an average 1 account holder person. 5 times more to be precise. Noting his displeasure and that he has 5 accounts is a perfectly acceptable and understandable thing to do. He could just email his complaint directly, but posting things on the forum is understandable... Often with no personalized reply, emailing may seem as if it's futile, where as the forum usually gets a reply if only from the community at large.
The only real fault with his post is his public expression of anger through emotionally charged words such as ****ed. The distinction between telling people you're upset and verbally showing them is a fine line. The latter being generally seen as socially unacceptable behavior.
He also brings up a valid point that a superior way to fix things is to add the solution rather than weakening the cause. One could then argue that this leads to a situation that becomes out of control with constant addition of things to balance the situation.
To be honest I really don't know which is a better way of fixing problems. I'm not convinced that the latter would become out of control.. I guess it would depend upon how well the addition could isolate the problem without affecting other things.
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Veetor
Gallente Acme Manufacturing
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Posted - 2007.07.04 15:26:00 -
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My apologies for being rude. ****ed was not the f-word btw. And for the record...my GF luvs to play eve on the 2nd puter.
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VengerZap
Red Right Hand
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Posted - 2007.07.04 15:27:00 -
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Originally by: Yifan Ma The original poster is upset, that much is plain to see, but him having 5 accounts is to be of note. If the purpose of CCP is to make money, his opinion should be worth more than an average 1 account holder person. 5 times more to be precise.....
He has 5 accounts and I think you're one of them. If CCP listened to every whiney, tantrum-throwing child just because they had 5 accounts they'd lose most of their players.
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Gojyu
Gallente Ever Flow FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.04 15:32:00 -
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Quote: The original poster is upset, that much is plain to see, but him having 5 accounts is to be of note. If the purpose of CCP is to make money, his opinion should be worth more than an average 1 account holder person. 5 times more to be precise.
I disagree. A person with 5 accounts' opinion is worth slightly less than a single player. The reason being that a person with 5 accounts can be expected to be addicted to the game far more than a regular player. Thus, although they might whine on the forums about leaving, the chances of them actually doing so are far lower than your regular player who has far less to give up. Too put another way, someone with 5 accounts has far more to loose than someone with 1, meaning the chances of them actually quitting are significantly lower.
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Auldare
Path-finder
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Posted - 2007.07.04 15:41:00 -
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The CPU change wasnt a nerf, it was a fix.
The scale of CPU need for the named cruise launchers did not follow the trend that was similar to all the other types of launchers.
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Tobias Sjodin
Ore Mongers R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.07.04 15:50:00 -
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Originally by: Veetor My apologies for being rude. ****ed was not the f-word btw. And for the record...my GF luvs to play eve on the 2nd puter.
I hope you're not sharing an account
- Recruitment open again-
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Cker
ZeZ Research
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Posted - 2007.07.04 16:42:00 -
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Got whine? Instead of whining, use your ole grey matter to think of a way to ADAPT!.
I know, big word, for a big boy.
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Jess Cathura
Caldari Ministry Of Miners
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Posted - 2007.07.04 16:52:00 -
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maybe this should go in feature and idea forum but oh well
ccp how about make an whole new forum section call whines then you can have split it into categories one for patch nerfs, one for how unfair T2 is, maybe a seperate one for people with lots of accounts/friends oh and we need one to winge about how gimped amarr is compared to gallente
did i miss any
feel the flame!
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RtoZ
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Posted - 2007.07.04 17:38:00 -
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CNR pilot here... I didn't even notice the Nerf... Maybe the OP might want to cash in some LP's and get some navy launchers. Or fit a co-processor. Or do any of a 1000 possible config changes to get his ship to work. All of which are far more effective than whining and posturing with non existant alt accounts.
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Crumplecorn
Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2007.07.04 17:47:00 -
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Edited by: Crumplecorn on 04/07/2007 17:46:16 damit, nvm -
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Derovius Vaden
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Posted - 2007.07.04 18:42:00 -
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I think the OP is just a little EMO
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