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Lireil Crow DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.05 08:36:00 - [1] I lost a bet due to this stupid thing. using the new 25% mining upgrade mods and the rohk with ZERO tank. a rohk will out ming a halk. Here is my data to back this up, all I want to know why.. http://www.td14.com/halkvsrohk.xls
FourthStorm Shinra	Posted - 2007.07.05 08:44:00 - [2] I feel a nurf coming soon.
Lireil Crow DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.05 08:48:00 - [3] yea I do to its just funny that a 180mil ship that you need very crappy skills with a few big new upgrades can out mine a ship (with max mining skills)
Mona X Caldari C0VEN	Posted - 2007.07.05 08:48:00 - [4] It's even worse, you can fit Modulated Deep Core Miners II with crystals on Rokh.
Mianda Dania	Posted - 2007.07.05 08:54:00 - [5] New mods? What? Where? How?
Titus Starwalker Amarr Star Imperium	Posted - 2007.07.05 09:08:00 - [6] Originally by: Mianda Dania New mods? What? Where? How? What she said! show me... please :)
Miyamoto Uroki Katsu Corporation	Posted - 2007.07.05 09:12:00 - [7] Mining and Ice Harvester Upgrade Originally by: Puupuu dude... your face
Heliope	Posted - 2007.07.05 09:14:00 - [8] Do these things fit on my lovely hulk given all the penalties and such?
Level5	Posted - 2007.07.05 09:15:00 - [9] 1) Its Hulk not Halk. 2) Good luck storing 2288 m3 in a Rokh, your gonna be spending so much time drag and dropping your fingers will drop off :) but yes i feel a nerf coming ;)
Mona X Caldari C0VEN	Posted - 2007.07.05 09:25:00 - [10] No, no, no. NO! Nerfing is wrong. It's better to boost Hulk. :) Additional low slot and more CPU or 5% per skill level (barge and exhumers). :)

Heraku Katsu Corporation	Posted - 2007.07.05 09:26:00 - [11] And what stops you putting one of these on your Hulk ?
Lord Loom Loom Service	Posted - 2007.07.05 09:38:00 - [12] Originally by: Heraku And what stops you putting one of these on your Hulk ? or two... also, I figure their price will be rather high (and you use 5 on a Rokh vs. 2 on a Hulk), plus I pity the poor souls mining in a Rokh like that - moving ore to a can every few seconds FTL, RSI much?
Mentonak	Posted - 2007.07.05 09:45:00 - [13] "what stops you putting one on your hulk?" If you'd taken the time to look at the spreadsheet mentioned, you'd see that you can. but a hulk has 2 low slots and a rokh has 5. So a Hulk can gain 56.3% (* 1.563) from them and a rokh can gain 205% (* 3.05)
Lireil Crow DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.05 09:58:00 - [14] downlaod the spread sheet. Math is right so dont get me started there All fittings will fit, even on the hulk I dont care if I have to move my mouse every 30 secs, only a lazy person would say that and you dont need to me mining anyway. I do not care about the price, this isnt about the price, is about the Rohk out mining a hulk.
Verite Rendition Caldari AUS Corporation CORE.	Posted - 2007.07.05 10:46:00 - [15] Making these things stacking nerfed would quickly solve the problem. The effect on Hulk pilots would be virtually nil, but mods 3 through 5 on the Rokh would start becoming very insignificant. ---- AUS Corp Lead Megalomanic
Level5	Posted - 2007.07.05 10:51:00 - [16] Hey Lireil, I checked with quickfit and 2 x cargo optimization rigs will give the Rokh 980 m3 , so still not there yet ;)
Heliope	Posted - 2007.07.05 11:13:00 - [17] In what region do these things drop? Who do I have to kill to get one?
Caligulus Caldari Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2007.07.05 12:23:00 - [18] To bad they aren't seeded on the market and it's hard to tell if they are even live on Tranquility or just "on the variations tab". We all know CCP is all about putting half completed things in the game... Would be nice to get a little developer clarification as to whether or not these things are actually in the game currently.
Liisa Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.07.05 14:23:00 - [19] I would expect these things to be stacking nerfed fairly soon as they are, in principle, damage mods for mining lasers. ---------------------------------- Currently pursuing a "deviant playstyle."
Mona X Caldari C0VEN	Posted - 2007.07.05 15:09:00 - [20] Originally by: Caligulus Would be nice to get a little developer clarification as to whether or not these things are actually in the game currently. Yesterday one +10% was on contracts, and currently if you look into "sell orders" forum, you can find auction with +20% (300M currently)

Kazuo Ishiguro House of Marbles Zzz	Posted - 2007.07.05 16:17:00 - [21] Edited by: Kazuo Ishiguro on 05/07/2007 16:18:59 To be able to fit the full 8 lasers & 5x 34 tf upgrades on a Rokh you need to plug in at least one dedicated implant (mining upgrade penalty reduction or CPU bonus) or train Mining Upgrades V (rank 4 skill). But when fitting 6x Modulated Deep Core Miner II instead of 8x Miner II, the Rokh mines the same amount as before, except with 160tf left over, enough for a modest shield tank. With the full 8x MDCM II, it beats the Hulk by a wide margin. The Dominix can also out-mine a Hulk, albeit with some difficulty and no tank: 6x MDCM II 2x Gallente Navy Co-Processors 3% CPU implant (slot 6) Mining Upgrades IV 3% Mining Upgrade implant (HY-1, slot 10) 5x Aoede upgrades On the other hand, it can use masses of drones to swat any rats that might happen to spawn nearby. The Hulk's description does suddenly seem a bit out of date I don't think the stacking penalty analogy with weapon upgrades is valid - those have a stacking penalty, but they don't make weapons use more cpu or pg. ------ Spreadsheets: Top speed calculation - Halo Implant tanking
Lord Loom Loom Service	Posted - 2007.07.05 16:56:00 - [22] Originally by: Lireil Crow downlaod the spread sheet. Math is right so dont get me started there All fittings will fit, even on the hulk I dont care if I have to move my mouse every 30 secs, only a lazy person would say that and you dont need to me mining anyway. I do not care about the price, this isnt about the price, is about the Rohk out mining a hulk. cry more, seriously, if it bothers you so much, get a freaking mining Rokh and be done with it

CCP Chronotis	Posted - 2007.07.05 18:02:00 - [23] This was known soon after we patched, I screwed up with these as the stacking penalty is not enough and as pointed out, ships with lots of low/hi slots and cpu (aka the rokh) can stack the bonus to the point where it beats the hulk with only 2 low slots though this is with the best metas which are really rare in distribution so very much a hypothetical exercise at this point however it does need fixing and shall be.

Judas Lonestar Ganja Labs Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.05 18:54:00 - [24] First off.... Originally by: Lord Loom cry more, seriously, if it bothers you so much, get a freaking mining Rokh and be done with it Your a freaking IDIOT. Wow. I mean dumb like a rock. Grats to you for being almost too stupid to even log in. Originally by: CCP Chronotis This was known soon after we patched, I screwed up with these as the stacking penalty is not enough and as pointed out, ships with lots of low/hi slots and cpu (aka the rokh) can stack the bonus to the point where it beats the hulk with only 2 low slots though this is with the best metas which are really rare in distribution so very much a hypothetical exercise at this point however it does need fixing and shall be. And respect for admitting you screwed up and thanks for having a fix in the works.
Gnulpie Minmatar Miner Tech	Posted - 2007.07.05 21:31:00 - [25] Glad to hear about the upcomming fix. No one and nothing should outmine the great Hulk Hmm, except the Veldnaught maybe
Lireil Crow DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.05 21:39:00 - [26] Originally by: CCP Chronotis This was known soon after we patched, I screwed up with these as the stacking penalty is not enough and as pointed out, ships with lots of low/hi slots and cpu (aka the rokh) can stack the bonus to the point where it beats the hulk with only 2 low slots though this is with the best metas which are really rare in distribution so very much a hypothetical exercise at this point however it does need fixing and shall be. Thank you, I know things get busy when a big patch is due to come out. so I can understand things could of got a little missed balanced. Originally by: Lord Loom Originally by: Lireil Crow downlaod the spread sheet. Math is right so dont get me started there All fittings will fit, even on the hulk I dont care if I have to move my mouse every 30 secs, only a lazy person would say that and you dont need to me mining anyway. I do not care about the price, this isnt about the price, is about the Rohk out mining a hulk. cry more, seriously, if it bothers you so much, get a freaking mining Rokh and be done with it Out of all the post here, there is only one person crying, it is you. I bothers me none because I will never use that setup for 2 reasons, 1 the ship it self cost more then a mining hulk. 2 the mods them selfs cost more then the ship. So please do eve something, log-off and go play wow more, because we really don't need you wow players over crying about our game. Thanks
Sprzedawczyk	Posted - 2007.07.05 21:57:00 - [27] Seems like everyone posting in this topic never flew a Hulk. Nor mining-battleship for that matter. To the point: 1) Rokh doesn't have enough cargohold to sustain it's mining rate. 2) 25% officer MU are going to be ******LY EXPANSIVE. Want to fly 5B - roid hugger - fine by me, just don't cry when I pod you:) 3) With 60 sec cycle, moving ore to jet can will be extremely painful. Seriously, there is no need to fix anything. CCP_Chronotis, don't you have some new features, or DRONE AND DESYNC BUGS that need to be fixed?
Lireil Crow DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.05 22:27:00 - [28] Edited by: Lireil Crow on 05/07/2007 22:31:35 Edited by: Lireil Crow on 05/07/2007 22:30:11 Originally by: Sprzedawczyk Seems like everyone posting in this topic never flew a Hulk. Nor mining-battleship for that matter. To the point: 1) Rokh doesn't have enough cargohold to sustain it's mining rate. 2) 25% officer MU are going to be ******LY EXPANSIVE. Want to fly 5B - roid hugger - fine by me, just don't cry when I pod you:) 3) With 60 sec cycle, moving ore to jet can will be extremely painful. Seriously, there is no need to fix anything. CCP_Chronotis, don't you have some new features, or DRONE AND DESYNC BUGS that need to be fixed? this is funny thanky ou.. REALLY thank you for this post.. man.. give me a sec to stop laughing.. ok.. seems like you never flown one ether m8, and you are not a miner I know because if a miner wants something he goes and and gets it because they have more isk then you. So .. you point there is null. 2nd it does have enough cargo to sustain the mining rate, only a 2 day noob who don't know anything will stay that. You just don't pop every laser on at the same time on a mining BS you need to wait 5 to 10 sec. that way your mins comes in to your cargo more slowly, you have time to put it all in your jet can. Before I learned the true path of mining I use BS's to mine in. Oh.. I have MAX skills when it comes to mine also, so reall your full post is null. I use 3 toons to mine with 1x hulk 1x mark 5 1x tank I will not tell you what my tank is but I will say unless you have a fleet of 50+ with cap ships you will not be able to kill it. oh.. one other thing, your 50+ gang has to get through all the camps getting in to out space. so your very much welcome to try your get good loot if you do.
Lord Loom Loom Service	Posted - 2007.07.05 22:44:00 - [29] Originally by: Judas Lonestar First off.... Your a freaking IDIOT. Wow. I mean dumb like a rock. Grats to you for being almost too stupid to even log in. ooh, namecalling, yet you fail to provide any serious reason as for why that's such a big issue Originally by: Lireil Crow Out of all the post here, there is only one person crying, it is you. I bothers me none because I will never use that setup for 2 reasons, 1 the ship it self cost more then a mining hulk. 2 the mods them selfs cost more then the ship. So please do eve something, log-off and go play wow more, because we really don't need you wow players over crying about our game. Thanks what the ...? I wasn't the one who made a topic whose whole point is "zomg something outmines mah precious Hulk - FIX!!!1!one", I pointed out the same issues you list as "reasons for not using that particular Hulk-beating setup" - I still don't know what the heck your problem is, tho. And what the goddamn ** has WoW to do with that? Who's whining again? Originally by:** Sprzedawczyk Seems like everyone posting in this topic never flew a Hulk. Nor mining-battleship for that matter. To the point: 1) Rokh doesn't have enough cargohold to sustain it's mining rate. 2) 25% officer MU are going to be ******LY EXPANSIVE. Want to fly 5B - roid hugger - fine by me, just don't cry when I pod you:) 3) With 60 sec cycle, moving ore to jet can will be extremely painful. Seriously, there is no need to fix anything. CCP_Chronotis, don't you have some new features, or DRONE AND DESYNC BUGS that need to be fixed? amen brother ok now so it's a big issue and will be "fixed" - I hope you do this via raising the CPU penalty on the named mods instead of just stacking-nerfing the mods themselves?
ragewind Caldari VersaTech Interstellar Ltd. SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.05 23:25:00 - [30] Originally by: CCP Chronotis This was known soon after we patched, I screwed up with these as the stacking penalty is not enough and as pointed out, ships with lots of low/hi slots and cpu (aka the rokh) can stack the bonus to the point where it beats the hulk with only 2 low slots though this is with the best metas which are really rare in distribution so very much a hypothetical exercise at this point however it does need fixing and shall be. you a DEV and you just said you broke something, realized this has happened and are going to fix it. all this on the first page of a thread. you have broken the ccp customer communications policy run when the rest of the devs come in to the office with the nerf bat. to the rest of the devs please take note, praise this dev for his fine work. im a very happy eve player for your post passage of information is what the players need to see your rock and i don't even wantto mine ina rohk that fast for the sake of my fingers lol



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