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doctorstupid2 Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2007.07.06 21:12:00 - [31] Originally by: Christopher Dalran Edited by: Christopher Dalran on 06/07/2007 20:58:36 Tip Lose the plate Get medium guns (vgood named + faction ammo > t2 1 size down) Get an MWD (the skills are SOOO easy to train for and the ship bonus makes MWD's very good on it) Lose the damage drones and add in ec-300 drones/5 light damage drones Add a multispec ECM Lose rails, add 4 blasters (t2 or best named, use faction ammo unless you have a specific need for t2 ammo as they have penalties (using void reduces your speed to a mere crawl so you need to warp to 0 using a scout)) and 1 NOS. Now go after Battlecruisers, they still have a low enough Sensor str that you'll be able to reliably lock them down nearly 100% of the time. You lose damage with light drones as opposed to medium drones but the lights are only there to deal with frigates as you blasters can deal with cruisers and up. WARNING the thorax is the hardest ship in the gallentian arsenal to fit properly, It realy require alot of maxed out skills and advanced weapons upgrades V to have enough pg/cpu to fut corectly. I used a Vexor for a long time before I switched over to a Thorax, its just easier to fit properly and a properly fit vexor does much better than an improperly fit Thorax. The poster aboves thorax will not be able to lock this thorax. Doesn't really matter, you can't tackle anything. Steel Rat > if they only knew we make this **** up as we go
Christopher Dalran Gallente Deadly Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.06 21:18:00 - [32] Edited by: Christopher Dalran on 06/07/2007 21:19:56 Edited by: Christopher Dalran on 06/07/2007 21:17:57 Originally by: doctorstupid2 Originally by: Christopher Dalran Edited by: Christopher Dalran on 06/07/2007 20:58:36 Tip Lose the plate Get medium guns (vgood named + faction ammo > t2 1 size down) Get an MWD (the skills are SOOO easy to train for and the ship bonus makes MWD's very good on it) Lose the damage drones and add in ec-300 drones/5 light damage drones Add a multispec ECM Lose rails, add 4 blasters (t2 or best named, use faction ammo unless you have a specific need for t2 ammo as they have penalties (using void reduces your speed to a mere crawl so you need to warp to 0 using a scout)) and 1 NOS. Now go after Battlecruisers, they still have a low enough Sensor str that you'll be able to reliably lock them down nearly 100% of the time. You lose damage with light drones as opposed to medium drones but the lights are only there to deal with frigates as you blasters can deal with cruisers and up. WARNING the thorax is the hardest ship in the gallentian arsenal to fit properly, It realy require alot of maxed out skills and advanced weapons upgrades V to have enough pg/cpu to fut corectly. I used a Vexor for a long time before I switched over to a Thorax, its just easier to fit properly and a properly fit vexor does much better than an improperly fit Thorax. The poster aboves thorax will not be able to lock this thorax. Doesn't really matter, you can't tackle anything. Has a scrammer and an MWD, you dont need a webber to catch a Battlecruiser in a MWD thorax if you know how to Pulse the MWD to continually bump the BC about from the front. Then again I never solo pvp unless nobody is around so meh. Sometimes I like to fly a pack of Thorax's with a Celestis allong for the ride and fit the rax's but burst ecm. Works very well and can even disorganize blobs. ------------------------------- C.D's Formula for success ------------------------------- Credit Card = Game Time Card Gametime Card = ISK Therefore Credit Card = ISK.
doctorstupid2 Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2007.07.07 00:34:00 - [33] Originally by: Christopher Dalran Edited by: Christopher Dalran on 06/07/2007 21:19:56 Edited by: Christopher Dalran on 06/07/2007 21:17:57 Originally by: doctorstupid2 Originally by: Christopher Dalran Edited by: Christopher Dalran on 06/07/2007 20:58:36 Tip Lose the plate Get medium guns (vgood named + faction ammo > t2 1 size down) Get an MWD (the skills are SOOO easy to train for and the ship bonus makes MWD's very good on it) Lose the damage drones and add in ec-300 drones/5 light damage drones Add a multispec ECM Lose rails, add 4 blasters (t2 or best named, use faction ammo unless you have a specific need for t2 ammo as they have penalties (using void reduces your speed to a mere crawl so you need to warp to 0 using a scout)) and 1 NOS. Now go after Battlecruisers, they still have a low enough Sensor str that you'll be able to reliably lock them down nearly 100% of the time. You lose damage with light drones as opposed to medium drones but the lights are only there to deal with frigates as you blasters can deal with cruisers and up. WARNING the thorax is the hardest ship in the gallentian arsenal to fit properly, It realy require alot of maxed out skills and advanced weapons upgrades V to have enough pg/cpu to fut corectly. I used a Vexor for a long time before I switched over to a Thorax, its just easier to fit properly and a properly fit vexor does much better than an improperly fit Thorax. The poster aboves thorax will not be able to lock this thorax. Doesn't really matter, you can't tackle anything. Has a scrammer and an MWD, you dont need a webber to catch a Battlecruiser in a MWD thorax if you know how to Pulse the MWD to continually bump the BC about from the front. Then again I never solo pvp unless nobody is around so meh. Sometimes I like to fly a pack of Thorax's with a Celestis allong for the ride and fit the rax's but burst ecm. Works very well and can even disorganize blobs. And what do you do when it webs you and mwd's away? God forbid your target is faster than you. Tackling without a web isn't really tackling at all. I'm still laughing at your first post, though, going on about how hard it is to fit "properly" and then you post that setup Steel Rat > if they only knew we make this **** up as we go
Kailiao The Malevolent	Posted - 2007.07.09 03:37:00 - [34] Originally by: Christopher Dalran Edited by: Christopher Dalran on 06/07/2007 20:58:36 Tip Lose the plate Get medium guns (vgood named + faction ammo > t2 1 size down) Get an MWD (the skills are SOOO easy to train for and the ship bonus makes MWD's very good on it) Lose the damage drones and add in ec-300 drones/5 light damage drones Add a multispec ECM Lose rails, add 4 blasters (t2 or best named, use faction ammo unless you have a specific need for t2 ammo as they have penalties (using void reduces your speed to a mere crawl so you need to warp to 0 using a scout)) and 1 NOS. Now go after Battlecruisers, they still have a low enough Sensor str that you'll be able to reliably lock them down nearly 100% of the time. You lose damage with light drones as opposed to medium drones but the lights are only there to deal with frigates as you blasters can deal with cruisers and up. WARNING the thorax is the hardest ship in the gallentian arsenal to fit properly, It realy require alot of maxed out skills and advanced weapons upgrades V to have enough pg/cpu to fut corectly. I used a Vexor for a long time before I switched over to a Thorax, its just easier to fit properly and a properly fit vexor does much better than an improperly fit Thorax. The poster aboves thorax will not be able to lock this thorax. I don't use Ew, i have skill, don't need it, make a fitting, with-out it and i will duel you, 500mill to the winner, everyone here is a witness. stop relying on ew, to win fights mate, imho it's ruining the game, as far as low-sec, small gank warfare goes, fleet battles, i can see the need for ew, but for low-sec, lol, get some balls
r0b0to	Posted - 2007.07.11 07:57:00 - [35] Edited by: r0b0to on 11/07/2007 07:57:25 I did a setup with the Eve Fitting tool.. here I'm sticking with the rails II, for range and tracking purposes. :D MWD in 2 days. I already have all the modules above, all I need now is the MWD skills.
Lore Isander Caldari Paisti	Posted - 2007.07.11 08:07:00 - [36] Edited by: Lore Isander on 11/07/2007 08:11:05 More expensive fit, but something I find really good: 5x Heavy Ion Blaster II 1x 10mn MWD II 1x Fleetign Warp Scrambler I (Cant use T2 after EANM nerf) 1x X5 Web 1x 800mm Tungsten 1x EANM II 1x DCU II 2x Mag Stab II 5x Valkyrie II 1x PG Rig 2x Trimark Like I said, propably a rather expensive setup, especially to use as a new player. Maybe throw in some T1 gear and use some mix of Electron/Ion Blasters to get it fit (and named mwd) without the PG Rig (costs 35-40m iirc). 550 DPS (and 9981 Armor with Slave Set + 2x Trimark). --- How do I shot web?
Great Artista Caldari Purple Cloud	Posted - 2007.07.11 08:24:00 - [37] Originally by: Lore Isander Edited by: Lore Isander on 11/07/2007 08:11:05 More expensive fit, but something I find really good: 5x Heavy Ion Blaster II 1x 10mn MWD II 1x Fleetign Warp Scrambler I (Cant use T2 after EANM nerf) 1x X5 Web 1x 800mm Tungsten 1x EANM II 1x DCU II 2x Mag Stab II 5x Valkyrie II 1x PG Rig 2x Trimark Like I said, propably a rather expensive setup, especially to use as a new player. Maybe throw in some T1 gear and use some mix of Electron/Ion Blasters to get it fit (and named mwd) without the PG Rig (costs 35-40m iirc). 550 DPS (and 9981 Armor with Slave Set + 2x Trimark). Propably the best setup indeed on par with neutrongankecmdrone-setup, but costs way too much for any practical usage. WAY too much. It still dies to nos. _______ Great Artista Co-CEO My opinions are mine and they are the right ones. Bye.
Mephistophilis hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.07.11 09:23:00 - [38] Hmm, this is my tried and tested setup 3 Medium electron blaster II's and 2 medium NOS MWD, 20km scram and web Medium rep, dmg control II, an exp hardner, and the rest passive hardners Usually have 5 t2 exp medium drones The fitting is tough and there are many ways to fit it, but imo mwd with web and blasters have always worked better and in the true spirit of the blasterrax Some time ago i used to fly the same but small t2 neutrons and a 1600mm plate. but i guess it depends on your skills. My favorate ship of all time, everytime i use one i love it!
DarkElf Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.07.11 09:45:00 - [39] Originally by: r0b0to Edited by: r0b0to on 06/07/2007 04:56:49 Edited by: r0b0to on 06/07/2007 04:48:16 Hi, I'm still new to the game, about two weeks in.. Heres my current Thorax setup. Please crit. :) 5x 150mm Railgun II 1x 10mn AB (I don't have skills for a MWD yet) 1x X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator (webber, for small targets) 1x J5b Phased Prototype Warp Inhibitor I (I can switch this out, I'm not PVPing yet) 1x 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates (also have a 400mm, I switch once in a while) 1x Magnetic Field Stabilizer I 1x Tracking Enhancer 1x Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane I 1x Medium Armor Repairer I 4x Hammerhead I Please rate/crit, and suggest other fits. BTW, I'm more of a long range guy, so I don't use blasters often. I don't PvP yet, I do rat hunting in a 0.6 system, and a mission once in a while. EDIT: switched out reinforced steel for rolled tungsten Ya know considering u sound like a bit of a nub that's a very good setup to come up with and it could work great. personally i prefer a blaster setup but go with what u like. u might struggle to break tanks with it because the dps is rather low but hell go for it. i would try to fit an mwd if ur gonna be at range tho because many ppl do fit them and especially with ur plate it's going to be easy to get under ur gun's tracking. also the tracking on those guns is pretty decent as it is so the tracking enhancer in the lows i would probably trade out for something else, either another mag stab or something to increase ur resists. DE
r0b0to	Posted - 2007.07.11 11:11:00 - [40] Edited by: r0b0to on 11/07/2007 11:14:32 Edited by: r0b0to on 11/07/2007 11:10:47 I've been experimenting and reading more, most people fit the thorax with blasters. So I guess going blasters is the most efficient. Here's the only blaster setup that fits me right now: EDIT: is the increase in dps worth the loss in hp?
Kharadran Sullath Caldari IntoXication Inc	Posted - 2007.07.11 12:03:00 - [41] T2 smalls > T1 meds, when it comes to blasters. Go for them and fit the 1600 rt plates. ------ --Don't get saucy with me Bernaise!--
Mitsuko Anari	Posted - 2007.07.11 12:07:00 - [42] Originally by: Kharadran Sullath T2 smalls > T1 meds, when it comes to blasters. Go for them and fit the 1600 rt plates. Agreed. Then work on fitting skills to be able to squeeze T2 meds + 1600mm on :)
DarkElf Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.07.11 12:12:00 - [43] Me uses PG rigs on my thorax I've seen decent plated setup with electron II's but i used to use a setup with light neutron blaster II's and a 1600 plate and it's really quite good even tho ur wasting a bonus. Possibly it only does well when u have good drone skills tho. DE
Great Artista Caldari Purple Cloud	Posted - 2007.07.11 12:19:00 - [44] Originally by: DarkElf i used to use a setup with light neutron blaster II's and a 1600 plate and it's really quite good even tho ur wasting a bonus. Possibly it only does well when u have good drone skills tho. But wont Vexor do more dps then? _______ Great Artista Co-CEO My opinions are mine and they are the right ones. Bye.
Lore Isander Caldari Paisti	Posted - 2007.07.11 12:20:00 - [45] Edited by: Lore Isander on 11/07/2007 12:19:57 Originally by: Great Artista Originally by: DarkElf i used to use a setup with light neutron blaster II's and a 1600 plate and it's really quite good even tho ur wasting a bonus. Possibly it only does well when u have good drone skills tho. But wont Vexor do more dps then? Yes. Never thought of it that way but that is true actually --- How do I shot web?
Great Artista Caldari Purple Cloud	Posted - 2007.07.11 12:40:00 - [46] Yeah, vexor works better with the oversized plate fitting, something in the lines of this could work. DPS is not really what it shows, since I dont even have the skills for T2 small blasters. Its like 20pg short of medium nos damnit... _______ Great Artista Co-CEO My opinions are mine and they are the right ones. Bye.
Lore Isander Caldari Paisti	Posted - 2007.07.11 13:02:00 - [47] Originally by: Great Artista Yeah, vexor works better with the oversized plate fitting, something in the lines of this could work. DPS is not really what it shows, since I dont even have the skills for T2 small blasters. Its like 20pg short of medium nos damnit... JPG or PNG please, BMP is horrible --- How do I shot web?
r0b0to	Posted - 2007.07.11 13:17:00 - [48] 237 dps.. wow. I bought 5 Light Neutron Blaster II's just now.. 4 mil >< EFT says I can do 165 dps, 46 of which comes from my four Hammerhead I's. I guess I just need to train better drone skills after training for an MWD.
DarkElf Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.07.11 13:24:00 - [49] Originally by: Great Artista Originally by: DarkElf i used to use a setup with light neutron blaster II's and a 1600 plate and it's really quite good even tho ur wasting a bonus. Possibly it only does well when u have good drone skills tho. But wont Vexor do more dps then? mmmm quite possibly. Haven't used a vexor in a few years so might have a look. DE
r0b0to	Posted - 2007.07.11 13:44:00 - [50] How can I increase my shield and armor resistances like that Vexor? Nothing much is different, other than that he has 2 EANM's and I have 1 EANM and a reactive membrane.. so I'm assuming skills?
Ansuru Starlancer The Phoenix Rising FreeFall Securities	Posted - 2007.07.11 20:58:00 - [51] Okay Thorax is one of my favorite ships ever. You're good enough as you are for 0.6 ratting and level 1 missions (bah anything can fly those!) but for the future, for you, I say: 1: Get MWD ASAP. 2: Get Drones V so you can use your full drone bay. (T2 drones are nice too, but at 2 weeks don't feel bad for not having them) 3: Look into a named armor repairer until you have the skills for T2 (not too hard to get). The "Accommodation" series are the best named. 4: Don't use a blaster ship for long range...Thorax was meant to go full out in-your-face. The only time I use rails on a 'rax is when I'm fitting a rack of 200mm IIs so I can hit things on roaming ops before the interceptors kill them. :p You happen to be ratting...let the rats come to you, take advantage of that stupid AI! 5: Change out that tracking enhancer for a Damage Control Unit - it will save your bacon if your armor tank breaks. If you need tracking, go to 125mm guns (light neutrons are better hinthint) 6: Small blasters are okay when you don't have the medium hybrid skills and the cruiser ship skills to really take advantage of the bigger guns. When your medium gun skills are up to it, though, switch to electron/ion blasters and an 800mm plate...huge damage increase vs harder targets, not that much of a difference in tank unless you're really pushing the envelope, in which case you were more than likely dead anyway :p 7: 2nd EANM > 1 MFS. Go damage or tank, splitting them like that just makes you not very good at either. You're using small guns, so I'd go with tank, as you're not going to get a very large damage increase no matter what you do with those...so take advantage of that 1600 plate.
r0b0to	Posted - 2007.07.12 06:11:00 - [52] Edited by: r0b0to on 12/07/2007 06:13:26 I thought I already posted this here, but.. eh. 160dps is better than 152dps, and I have more tank :) I'm training up for an MWD, ETA is sometime on Saturday, then I'll train up the small blaster specialization for more damage :D GBC (my corp) is moving from 0.6 to a pretty quiet 0.4 system because of minerals, namely Jaspet. I'll be using this to guard the miners. I can be accompanied sometimes by two battlecruisers (really small corp lol), a Brutix and a Drake. Hopefully they fit theirs right. How would I counter frigs/inties/assfrigs that orbit just outside web range if I'm alone?
Ryysa Caldari	Posted - 2007.07.12 06:19:00 - [53] zwerg's (omg I agree with zwerg) and Randgris' (dude, your face) setups are very nice. The people who post about medium guns don't realize that using medium blasters you will be out of cap more often than not, and you will be paperthin. EW Guide - KB Tool - PVP Event
Mephistophilis hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.07.12 07:44:00 - [54] Not really, i'm on 2 medium nos and 3 electron blaster II's. don't have a problem with cap. The tank is ok being that i don't generally fit t2 on the rax. At the end of the day, if you get nos'd in a rax your screwed no matter how many plates you have or how small your guns are... The electron II's do nice damage once your skills are up.
aUTOKILL Gallente Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.07.12 08:15:00 - [55] most of these setups are making me puke. DO NOT FIT SMALL GUNS ONTO THIS SHIP. That used to be rly good in RMR but not in REV mmmkay.Use the bonus of the ship. Here is a good thorax setup mmkay. It does decent damage and has a tank. 5x electron ii 10mn mwd, web, warp disruptor (20k or better) med armor repper ii, 2x eanm ii, dc ii, 800mm rt plate 5x valk iis now if you dont have the skills for the t2 just fit the named / t1 varrient. here's the great neutrongankrax 5x neutron ii mwd scram web 3x magstab ii, dc ii, rcu ii 5x valk ii does not have a tank whatsoever but does awesome DPS. now i have not messed with many ion setups so im not gonna bother posting one until i mess around on sisi with it. ~~~~~~ Originally by: Demitri Klashnikov "Wanna come back to my place for some pew pew?" Originally by: lofty29 I HEREBY DECREE THAT FROM THIS DAY FORWARD, DARK SHIKARI IS TO BE REFERRED TO AS "DUTCH CURRY"
Lore Isander Caldari Paisti	Posted - 2007.07.12 08:41:00 - [56] Originally by: aUTOKILL DO NOT FIT SMALL GUNS ONTO THIS SHIP. That used to be rly good in RMR but not in REV mmmkay.Use the bonus of the ship. Qft --- How do I shot web?
Ryysa Caldari	Posted - 2007.07.12 08:48:00 - [57] Edited by: Ryysa on 12/07/2007 08:48:24 Originally by: Mephistophilis Not really, i'm on 2 medium nos and 3 electron blaster II's. Well, the NOS have everything to do with it. Also, small neutron II's do about as much damage as 5 medium electron II's on a thorax, thus the only medium blasters that there is a point fitting on a thorax are ions and upwards. In the case of the latter, you might aswell fit neutrons with full gank setup... EW Guide - KB Tool - PVP Event
r0b0to	Posted - 2007.07.12 09:38:00 - [58] So.. What should I do? Which one's more effective in guarding against npc/player rats? Full-Gank or Full-Tank
Great Artista Caldari Purple Cloud	Posted - 2007.07.12 11:01:00 - [59] Edited by: Great Artista on 12/07/2007 11:02:52 DO NOT FIT SMALL GUNS + OVERSIZED PLATE ON RAX. Why? Because at some point when you are flying your platerax, you will encounter a rupture. You'll be blown out of the sky so fast that you cant propably even dent its armor. EDIT: lol, I accidentally fitted basic EANM You get the point anyway. _______ Great Artista Co-CEO My opinions are mine and they are the right ones. Bye.
r0b0to	Posted - 2007.07.12 11:57:00 - [60] So.. what do you suggest? How would I get over 300 turret dps on a blasterrax?

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