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Aramendel
Amarr
Coreli Corporation
Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.07.08 11:06:00 -
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 Originally by: An Anarchyyt
I understand that you mean well with this. However, I don't think it is really the solution. I had said this before, but why should the majority be punished for what the minority does? I am assuming that by "all public channels" you don't mean Local channels though.
Because you cannot police this minorty. Simply limiting trial accounts talking to a) local, b) corp chat and c) the rookie channel isn't a big deal IMO - most trial account users do not use other channels in their first 2 weeks anyway. And you certainly do not need to be able to use all chat channels to test the game.
It would be in the end less limiting than the ship restrictions (for example a trial cannot train for indys for the same reason - abuse of trial accounts).
In fact, if you do not limit the chatroom useage of trial account users you are punishing a majority (non-trial users who suffer from spam) for the sake of not punishing a minority (trial account users).
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Aramendel
Amarr
Coreli Corporation
Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.07.08 15:37:00 -
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Originally by: fire 59
If people stopped buying isk in the first place, we wouldn't have isk sellers. Never understood why someone would pay rl money for virtual money you could earn yourself, seems wierd to me 
It's rather simple really - everyone needs to grind for isk now and then unless he has an low effort way to earn it without real work.
So you have there two option: grinding isk which can be dependant on your options slow or fast but in either case relatively borning -or- buy isk either by selling GTCs or buying isk from farmers.
So, why buying isk? If your RL job pays you 25$/hour which you could use to buy 500 mil isk and if you could spend 10-15 hours ratting for the same isk what would you rather do? Work for 1 additonal hour or spend 10-15 hours beltratting?
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Aramendel
Amarr
Coreli Corporation
Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.07.09 09:59:00 -
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Edited by: Aramendel on 09/07/2007 09:59:59
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| trial spammers | normal trial users | paying eve players |
Limiting trial accounts to corp/local/rookie will hurt normal trial players, yes. Not much, though, since you hardly use other channels in your first 2 weeks.
However NOT limiting trial accounts does hurt many MANY more players (which unlike trials also pay for the game) than limiting trials will do. The majority of all eve players suffers on cost of a minority.
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Aramendel
Amarr
Coreli Corporation
Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.07.09 15:50:00 -
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Originally by: SiJira
dont buy isk - bots will go away
don't commit crimes - we won't need police anymore
Aka - don't be stupid. People will always buy isk. Always. It is utterly impossible to limit the problem from that side.
And, no, improved moderating is also utterly useless. Know why? Because, no matter what you do, making a new trial will always be easier for the isk spammers than it will be to get a spammer banned. It is a lost battle before it even starts.
Unless you make it so easy to do (with automated systems etc) that it can and will be abused to hell and back and will cause far more problems than it solves.
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Aramendel
Amarr
Coreli Corporation
Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.07.09 21:34:00 -
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Its also not really the same thing. For rather obvious reasons isk sellers find in a channel where you regulary trade with multi billion assets more possible buyers than in a rookie help channel. Removing isk sellers there does not mean an automatic increase elsewhere.
Nevermind that it is no real problem to spam in multiple channels at once. If it would be "profitable" to spam in rookie chat as much as in the trade channels they would do it already.
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Aramendel
Amarr
Coreli Corporation
Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.07.09 22:41:00 -
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Originally by: Mari Onette
There are over 100 people in a trade channel at any one time. if 25 of you petition each and every spammer that enters the channel, don't you think it will be dealt with quickly?
And what does in your opinion stop a spammer from making a new trial account in 1 minute and continue spamming with that again? And again? And again? And again? It's far less workload for him to make a new trial account than to get a GM to ban him.
Petitioning is no solution.
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Aramendel
Amarr
Coreli Corporation
Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.07.09 22:49:00 -
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Originally by: Mari Onette
Actions are the only way to change the world.
And that is what he is doing. By asking for a real way to stop spammers. Which can only be done by limiting where they can do that.
Petitioning them is utterly useless there and only a waste of time, both of yours and the GMs. You need to realise that isk spammers are using TRIAL ACCOUNTS which can be remade instantly and indefinately. Banning one is like cutting off the head of an hydra, a new one will regrowth within minutes.
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