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A quick search reveals that Infinitus Odium is at war with only one corporation, Latrocinium Inc. Compare their corp icons.

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And if things go really wrong, he's got his friend we saw earlier, the Exequror pilot. Since no laws are being broken in the fight, the Exequror can come back and provide some remote armor-repping.

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(Side note: I made the foolish mistake at this point of trying to scoop up the loot myself, to return to the victim. Since I'm playing via satellite from Afghanistan my latency is pretty high, and by the time I got the wreck open the loot was gone. Instead I just ended up decloaking and blowing my cover. My apologies to the victim.)

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Originally by: Shaji

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I think you helped educate new pirates rather than stop this from happening, but nice little guide anyways ;)

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Originally by: Akurion

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Well, I just assumed he was working with you. I mean, what are the chances that not one, but two people working independently will both warp to a single pilot's safespot?

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Originally by: Akurion

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Edited by: Akurion on 08/07/2007 19:42:54

Originally by: lofty29

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Originally by: Akurion

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Well, I just assumed he was working with you. I mean, what are the chances that not one, but two people working independently will both warp to a single pilot's safespot?

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Its called probes. Also my PC would melt if I had 4 accounts running

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Yes, probes are awesome. However, there were more than 30 pilots in space, including at least a half a dozen dominixes. I just guessed yours was the one with the latin name.

Anyway, do people warp in on you frequently? Random people, that is. Not your victims.

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No, thats the first one I've ever seen. What a coincidence!
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Project Mayhem

Originally by: T'Renn

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To the OP: I see you put a lot of work into this. Lurking moar would have saved you the trouble. Lofty's methods haven't been a secret in a loooooong time. I happen to think it's genius.

To Lofty: David Koresch? Does that mean it was you who would pass through RK space when I was trying to rat my sec up? You should have stopped and chatted for longer

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Originally by: jilahed

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Just in case nobody mentioned it already: Lofty has done this for years. Its very well known within in the community and a simple search for lofty29 on eve-o will reveal the method and threads without end on this one. I wonder how a dedicated antipirate after such extensive research could miss them.

However, its not an exploit. People get the warning message about war targets when they first enter the gang. Ofc they are not warned again when the warring third party enters, but hell people should use their brain. Especially if they have no other risk of loosing their money-printing machines.

Also its in no way a scam. You dont get promised anything and you are not betrayed. Why is it an exploit or a scam if you shoot legal wartargets? Oh and on that note: The exqueror can remote rep but it gets flagged in that case and can be shot at without repercussions. So its all fair game.

It's just part of the simple fact that you are safe in eve *nowhere*. This should be common knowledge and whoever doesn't know this after having the money for a faction fitted CNR should just feel the pain. I for one applaud lofty for proving again that stupidity is infinite and giving out such valuable lessons at a fair price.

In the end the only way to protect the carebears from themselves is to either tie them up and put them in cages or mhhh ok thats the only one. sigh.

Just out of curiousity: Why do you feel compelled to help people who put themselves deliberately into such unfavourable situations? I just dont get it. I mean helping a noob who might not know better - so be it. But these lazy and rich mission-machines who play for 3 years and don't even know how flagging works only because they chose to never learn the mechanics of the game they play?

Every mission runner you save will fall for the next stupid trick. Just let them learn their lesson - its needed badly imo.

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Originally by: Das Forscher

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lofty > tiller

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Originally by: Lord BlackSter

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Lofty is the boy!

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Originally by: BANDID

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Originally by: lofty29

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Originally by: Lord BlackSter

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Lofty is the kid!

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Fixed

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fixed again

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No-one in this gang is currently in a corporation that is at war. However, be aware that if a fellow gang member's corporation does go to war with other corporations you become vulnerable to attack by members of those corporations. You do not have the right to attack those parties unless they attack you first.

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Originally by: Maxoz

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I watched lofty do this once around a planet about 6 months ago when I was still a carebear and now I like to think I am a half decent pirate I can look back and see that this is not directed at mission runners (I was one) or carebears in general, just simply stupid people.

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Originally by: Taipan Gedscho

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yeah i know. and i guess my objection is really a bit uncalled for.

coz infact... most of the time, when you go with gangs, you can bring cheap stuff anyway. who need gist type 1337 stuff when you got teamwork...

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Originally by: voogru

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lofty29 is not the first to do this.

He got the idea from me, I used it to prey on your friendly "asjdiasjd", "daojdqwdiuoqwd", "djawdwjdj", "dijeqwidjiqwd" farmers.

And this is over a year old AND legal.

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Originally by: voogru

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Originally by: lofty29

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Originally by: voogru

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lofty29 is not the first to do this.

He got the idea from me, I used it to prey on your friendly "asjdiasjd", "daojdqwdiuoqwd", "djawdwjdj", "dijeqwidjiqwd" farmers.

And this is over a year old AND legal.

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I never claim to be the first, ever. You gave me the information about how you kill ISK farmers, and now I use it to my advantage
Much love voogru.

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One day it'll be used against you

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Originally by: Galen Darksmith

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Edited by: Galen Darksmith on 08/07/2007 23:25:42
Good report! Not EVERYONE knows about it, so it's nice to see people looking out for each other.

So, all you'd have to do is get you're local friendly anti-pirate corp to wardec on ol' Lofty's corp, quit his gang when you arrive, and quickly get invited to the gank squad of anitpirates. Get them to warp in, scramble him, and serve up some toasty Lofty :-D


EVERY pirate trick has a counter. Just a matter of patience and dedication.

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Originally by: Igus

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How is this not an exploit ?

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Originally by: Saint Lazarus

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Originally by: Das Forscher

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lofty > tiller

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too true ^^



and muhahahaha I wanna hear more Lofty victim threads, I wanna hear those Navy issue Raven flyin misson ho's scream \o/

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Originally by: Celestal

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face it lofty29 is so lacking in testicular fortitude that even his close mates are convinced hes a 9 year old blonde girl.

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Originally by: Callente Riveara

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all you need is for the victim to turn the tables..

find a mission runner you know with a decent enough ship for lofty to target. After the lofty's alt invites the at war toon, immediatly invite some of your own friends into the fray and have them warp directly to your location.

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Originally by: Akurion

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Second, even if you did manage to get your buds in the gang, because of the way the war/gang mechanics work, they wouldn't be able to attack Lofty unless he attacked them first. Which, I'm guessing, isn't something he would probably do.

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Originally by: Aeon Xero

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I think one who uses an exploit that isnt coverd in the EULA is a coward. Now lofty, if you want to prove your a real man, why not step up to some great pvpers? Come to wherever alliances like Aftermath, BoB, Tri, FALL, etc etc and challenege them? Or are you too weak? Silly pirate wannabee, give us real pirates a bad name. I hope we cross paths one day silly boy, Ill be happy to avenege all those people who lost millions in ship and mods, to a exploit.

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Originally by: Aeon Xero

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Let not age affect what a clone can do, but how the cloe can use the skills they already or currently possess. Unlike Lofty, im not a coward. And I got the proof to back it up. I might still be new compared to some of you. But some of you older people have fallen to me, because you are not a pirate of honor. A pirate who kills frigs, is one example. One who uses an exploit, is another. Unlike others here, im not afraid to challenge this so called great pirate.

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Originally by: Aeon Xero

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Edited by: Aeon Xero on 10/07/2007 00:17:52
Atleast Ive got a better clue than you. I dont need cheap tricks to bait my prey. You speak like you are a god in this game, yet your afraid of a big group. You attack rookies, and unwary pilots.. pilots that havent gone into low sec much if at all. Unlike others around my age, ive actually operated in 0.0 space, in low sec. Ive gone pirating, bounty hunting and so on. I know im the btter pirate, because as I said, I know how to use what I got to get my kill. You apparently need help.

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Originally by: NightmareX

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Originally by: Aeon Xero

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Then why use an unbannable exploit?

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It's not an exploit, since if it's an exploit then lofty would be banned from EVE like 1 year ago.

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Originally by: Aeon Xero

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Let me Alliance's contract end, and let me see where we will be moving to next. Our current contract ends this Friday.

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Originally by: Aeon Xero

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Hence why I said mono e mono. And no having friends finish me off afer you get pod killed.

Now goes time I log off for real life.

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Originally by: Aeon Xero

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one so*****y..... cant even take a compliment i was giving him.

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Originally by: Mitsuko Anari

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Thread Delivers.

Remember to fraps it when you facepwn him lofty

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Originally by: Faekurias

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Lofty is win, but not even he can answer the riddle that is : WHy is caldari BS crap and Gallente Bs utter win?

Mystery grows

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Originally by: Callente Riveara

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what do you spend it all on Lofty? If you just stay in high sec, and your tricks work already...where does it go?

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Originally by: Callente Riveara

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Originally by: lofty29

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Originally by: Callente Riveara

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what do you spend it all on Lofty? If you just stay in high sec, and your tricks work already...where does it go?

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lol, 2 weeks ago I was -10. 8 months ago I was -10...
I don't stay in Hi-sec, but it makes me loaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaads of isk when I do In a few weeks im headed back to lowsec for the upcoming awesomeness. I won't say more tho, or tassi will *****me

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Well what region do you frequent? Just so i can stay the hell out of it you know..

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Originally by: Sama Warui

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Am I missing something here, or whats stopping the targets' corp members coming for the rescue? Even if lofty29 gets the right to attack via warring gang, he should still get flagged to the corp of hes victim, right?

Deadspace tanked ship should hold long enough to change the gang to warp in the friendlies who will have the rights to fire on lofty29. Shouldnt be too hard to make it work. Just one ship able to tackle and jam lofty29s ship should be enough to turn the tables.

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Originally by: Ryas Nia

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really this would not be a problem if people simply fit for pvp. The reason his targets die is they dont have any defense for his tactic because they setup only for the mission they are going to run.

You want to be safe from this, then always run a pvp fit on your missions, yes they might take a bit longer, but you can at least defend your self :) and maybe even get a nice pirate kill in the process.

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Originally by: Celestal

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Originally by: Callente Riveara

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what do you spend it all on Lofty? If you just stay in high sec, and your tricks work already...where does it go?

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He spends it on ships + equip to try learn proper pvp ( you know where the other ships get a chance to fire back ).

One of his recent attempts created the expression " to do a lofty " meaning to setup a faction bs with a multi billion setup , enter low sec/0.0 , get ransomed/pay a multi billion ransom , then soon after get multi billion ship blown up . All without killing any ship , not even a shuttle/rookie ship.

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Originally by: Horsefly

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Originally by: lofty29

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I see your avoiding the tax still. New tax in effect.

10 Mil per post on E-Online forums.

Mwuahahahahahaha I be rich me thinks.

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Originally by: voogru

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Reason for astronomical prices = keep gankers like lofty29 away. The price does include the ability to fly it on SISI though.

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Originally by: 0ss0

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You simply do not allow a war dec'd pilot to join the gang until all current pilots iether accept him or leave gang. If ganged pilot is in warp then the invited pilot must wait in limbo. Hell gang invites already have a timer, what would be hard about this solution?

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Originally by: Hellspawn01

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I still wonder why this hasnt been classed as an exploit long ago.

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Originally by: Hellspawn01

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Originally by: Tempest Kane

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Their is no way this is a exploite. its within the game mechanics and their is a warning given when joining the gang that you are a valid target for any war dec's should you choose to commit to such a gang.

Idiots fall for it.

And frankly most of them are isk sellers, so great stuff.

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You get a warning when a war target joins your gang? News to me. As for isk sellers, if you kill only those, you get my vote for continueing. Till then, I just find it lame.

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Originally by: R3dSh1ft

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It used to be that the 'mark' in this story would only become a valid target once he had engaged the war target.

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Originally by: NightmareX

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Edited by: NightmareX on 17/08/2007 00:52:50

Originally by: Blue Wraith

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Edited by: Blue Wraith on 17/08/2007 00:45:04
My friend, who has helped dozens of strangers with their missions, got bitten by this for the first time recently. He's such a nice guy, always willing to help. It's truly a shame that only someone nice enough to help people will get hurt by this exploit. I say retroactively ban everyone who has used this exploit. Then fix the exploit.

Devs, please comment on this?

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The devs won't ban anyone for doing this as long it's not an exploit.

And to make sure you'll get it, lofty29 did even petition him self before he started to do this to be sure that he wouldn't do any stupid things, so it's not an exploit.

If this have been an exploit, lofty would be banned from EVE over 1 year ago.

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Originally by: Synical Light

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Originally by: lofty29

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OH NOES! PEOPLE KNOW!!!!11!11
Does it matter?

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Well.... yeah...

You'll need a new scam

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Originally by: LittleBar

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The latest statistics I read are that roughly 80% of EVE players never go into low space

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Originally by: Brisco County

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All CCP would really need to do is pop up a notice when someone else joins the gang that is at war. Something to the extent of "A player that joined your gang and is not in your alliance is at war with another corporation. This will put you at war. Leave Gang? yes/no"

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Originally by: Haldor Gret

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Lofty said that he was doing this in a NOSDomi. I'm just wondering with the NOS nerf that happened a while ago does this still work

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Originally by: Vasili vonHolst

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Heya Lofty =] Still Kickin?

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