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Ursula LeGuinn
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Posted - 2012.01.09 04:44:00 -
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Professor Alphane wrote:Thiking a space simulation is all about blowing up spaceships is indeed confirming my opinion thanks 
EVE isn't really a "space simulation." Have you ever seen anyone call it that?
It's a spaced-themed Everyone Versus Everyone online game with PvE elements. |

KrakizBad
Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2012.01.09 04:44:00 -
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Professor Alphane wrote:KrakizBad wrote:Confirming that blowing up internet spaceships in a game about blowing up internet spaceships is indicative of horrible childhood angst. Men who weren't bullied their entire teen years only join this game to mine. Thiking a space simulation is all about blowing up spaceships is indeed confirming my opinion thanks 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simulation
I don't think that word means what you think it means. http://dl.dropbox.com/u/39006524/DumbHiseccers.jpg |

Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1438
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Posted - 2012.01.09 04:46:00 -
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Professor Alphane wrote:KrakizBad wrote:Confirming that blowing up internet spaceships in a game about blowing up internet spaceships is indicative of horrible childhood angst. Men who weren't bullied their entire teen years only join this game to mine. Thiking a space simulation is all about blowing up spaceships is indeed confirming my opinion thanks  Space simulation? :cripes:
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |

Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
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Posted - 2012.01.09 04:47:00 -
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Ladie Harlot wrote:Professor Alphane wrote:Dude if they weren't all pussies IRL they wouldn't be taking out there angst on people in a computer game. You don't really get Eve do you
And you don't get what it is to live in a world full of truely aggresive assholes.
And no I'm not talking about EVE, I'm talking about my life, when you have to deal with people on a daily bases that might well threaten you physically, you get to be a quick study of human nature, because if I get my assesment wrong there will be consequences.
You try to live this reality out in a computer game fantasy, and make yourelves the worst kind of assholes (the one who would end up brocken or dead in my RL), Frankly I feel sorry for you, run back of to your parents basements, unlearn what you have taught yourselves ingame because if it should bleed through into your RL there may be more consequences than losing some pixels on a screen.
Your laughable and why I call you weak is because you haven't the testicular fortitude to act with honour or humanity, you are the childish dupes of immaturity and peer pressure.
But whats the point in me telling you all this because in your heart of hearts you alrerady understand it but you choose to ignore it, why should your reaction be any diffrent when someone points it out to you.
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |

Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
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Posted - 2012.01.09 04:48:00 -
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KrakizBad wrote:Professor Alphane wrote:KrakizBad wrote:Confirming that blowing up internet spaceships in a game about blowing up internet spaceships is indicative of horrible childhood angst. Men who weren't bullied their entire teen years only join this game to mine. Thiking a space simulation is all about blowing up spaceships is indeed confirming my opinion thanks  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SimulationI don't think that word means what you think it means.
Quote:A computer simulation (or "sim") is an attempt to model a real-life or hypothetical situation on a computer
from your link 
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |

RubyPorto
Profoundly Disturbed RED.Legion
1155
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Posted - 2012.01.09 04:50:00 -
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Professor Alphane wrote:KrakizBad wrote:Confirming that blowing up internet spaceships in a game about blowing up internet spaceships is indicative of horrible childhood angst. Men who weren't bullied their entire teen years only join this game to mine. Thiking a submarine simulation is all about blowing up Submarines is indeed confirming my opinion thanks 
Fixed. |

KrakizBad
Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2012.01.09 04:50:00 -
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Professor Alphane wrote:KrakizBad wrote:Professor Alphane wrote:KrakizBad wrote:Confirming that blowing up internet spaceships in a game about blowing up internet spaceships is indicative of horrible childhood angst. Men who weren't bullied their entire teen years only join this game to mine. Thiking a space simulation is all about blowing up spaceships is indeed confirming my opinion thanks  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SimulationI don't think that word means what you think it means. Quote:A computer simulation (or "sim") is an attempt to model a real-life or hypothetical situation on a computer from your link 
Precisely. http://dl.dropbox.com/u/39006524/DumbHiseccers.jpg |

Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1438
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Posted - 2012.01.09 04:51:00 -
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Professor Alphane wrote:And you don't get what it is to live in a world full of truely aggresive assholes.
And no I'm not talking about EVE, I'm talking about my life, when you have to deal with people on a daily bases that might well threaten you physically, you get to be a quick study of human nature, because if I get my assesment wrong there will be consequences.
You try to live this reality out in a computer game fantasy, and make yourelves the worst kind of assholes (the one who would end up brocken or dead in my RL), Frankly I feel sorry for you, run back of to your parents basements, unlearn what you have taught yourselves ingame because if it should bleed through into your RL there may be more consequences than losing some pixels on a screen.
Your laughable and why I call you weak is because you haven't the testicular fortitude to act with honour or humanity, you are the childish dupes of immaturity and peer pressure.
But whats the point in me telling you all this because in your heart of hearts you alrerady understand it but you choose to ignore it, why should your reaction be any diffrent when someone points it out to you.
oh no my e-honour
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |

Ursula LeGuinn
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Posted - 2012.01.09 04:52:00 -
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Professor Alphane wrote:the one who would end up brocken
http://i.imgur.com/gAJ80.jpg |

RubyPorto
Profoundly Disturbed RED.Legion
1155
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Posted - 2012.01.09 04:53:00 -
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Professor Alphane wrote:Quote:A computer simulation (or "sim") is an attempt to model a real-life or hypothetical situation on a computer from your link 
EvE makes roughly 0 attempt to model anything other than the results of a somewhat constrained free-for-all in Submarine conflict. Also it simulates a post-scarcity libertarian economy pretty well. |

Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
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Posted - 2012.01.09 04:54:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:Professor Alphane wrote:KrakizBad wrote:Confirming that blowing up internet spaceships in a game about blowing up internet spaceships is indicative of horrible childhood angst. Men who weren't bullied their entire teen years only join this game to mine. Thiking a submarine simulation is all about blowing up Submarines is indeed confirming my opinion thanks  Fixed.
Well at least your not obtuse enough to contest it isn't a simulation 
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |

Ursula LeGuinn
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Posted - 2012.01.09 04:56:00 -
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Professor Alphane wrote:from your link 
According to the very broad definition you're trying to assign to "simulation" here, Super Mario Brothers is a shroom-eating plumber simulation. As such, the word ceases to have any meaning, and might as well simply be synonymous with "game."
Back in the 1960s, "game = simulation" would have been very accurate. Now that it's 2012 and computer games are a major entertainment medium, the word "simulation" has a more specific contextual meaning. |

Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
209
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Posted - 2012.01.09 04:57:00 -
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Ursula LeGuinn wrote:Professor Alphane wrote:from your link  According to the very broad definition you're trying to assign to "simulation" here, Super Mario Brothers is a shroom-eating plumber simulation. As such, the word ceases to have any meaning, and might as well simply be synonymous with "game." Back in the 1960s, "game = simulation" would have been very accurate. Now that it's 2012 and computer games are a major entertainment medium, the word "simulation" has a more specific contextual meaning.
I'm not trying to assign anything thats what wiki says take it up with them 
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |

Ursula LeGuinn
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Posted - 2012.01.09 05:02:00 -
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Professor Alphane wrote:I'm not trying to assign anything thats what wiki says take it up with them 
Wikipedia wrote:A forum (Latin, "place outdoors"; pl. fora) was a public square in a Roman municipium, or any civitas, reserved primarily for the vending of goods; i.e., a marketplace, along with the buildings used for shops and the stoas used for open stalls. Many fora were constructed at remote locations along a road by the magistrate responsible for the road, in which case the forum was the only settlement at the site and had its own name, such as Forum Popili or Forum Livi.[1]
Nope, definitions never change to reflect modern or specialist usage. The Professor wins again, zounds! |

KrakizBad
Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2012.01.09 05:05:00 -
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I demand this forum be renamed so as to not interfere with previous usage. I suggest "whineteria". http://dl.dropbox.com/u/39006524/DumbHiseccers.jpg |

Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1439
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Posted - 2012.01.09 05:06:00 -
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Professor Alphane wrote:RubyPorto wrote:Professor Alphane wrote:KrakizBad wrote:Confirming that blowing up internet spaceships in a game about blowing up internet spaceships is indicative of horrible childhood angst. Men who weren't bullied their entire teen years only join this game to mine. Thiking a submarine simulation is all about blowing up Submarines is indeed confirming my opinion thanks  Fixed. Well at least your not obtuse enough to contest it isn't a simulation  Is Eve an honour simulator?
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |

Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
209
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Posted - 2012.01.09 05:10:00 -
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Ursula LeGuinn wrote: The Professor wins
Did I? what ? I didn't realise we where having some sort of competetion?
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |

Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
209
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Posted - 2012.01.09 05:12:00 -
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Ladie Harlot wrote:Professor Alphane wrote:RubyPorto wrote:Professor Alphane wrote:KrakizBad wrote:Confirming that blowing up internet spaceships in a game about blowing up internet spaceships is indicative of horrible childhood angst. Men who weren't bullied their entire teen years only join this game to mine. Thiking a submarine simulation is all about blowing up Submarines is indeed confirming my opinion thanks  Fixed. Well at least your not obtuse enough to contest it isn't a simulation  Is Eve an honour simulator?
A what now?
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |

RubyPorto
Profoundly Disturbed RED.Legion
1155
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Posted - 2012.01.09 05:22:00 -
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Professor Alphane wrote:RubyPorto wrote:Professor Alphane wrote:KrakizBad wrote:Confirming that blowing up internet spaceships in a game about blowing up internet spaceships is indicative of horrible childhood angst. Men who weren't bullied their entire teen years only join this game to mine. Thiking a submarine simulation is all about blowing up Submarines is indeed confirming my opinion thanks  Fixed. Well at least your not obtuse enough to contest it isn't a simulation 
Yeah, I just fixed your comment without making one of my own.
My response to the insane idea that EvE is a simulation game (X-Plane is an *AMAZING* simulator, as is it's sister project Space Combat) is later on that page, but I'll restate it here.
EvE is a PvP focused Massively Multiplayer Online Sandbox. A MMOS, if you will.
The FIS part bears a passing resemblance to a Submarine Warfare simulator if you take some (giant) leaps (for mankind). For instance, good simulators don't act in 1 second long ticks, don't just "Assume the ship's a ball," for convenience, and generally have a better steering interface than click in space, or set the Cruise control, or Approach/Orbit/Keep at Range. They tend not to have your ship randomly stop and turn around when you do something to change it's speed, or may other reasons why EvE would be a bad simulator if it were trying to be one.
The WIS part is actually a really good simulation of a Prison Cell, but still manages to fail in that you have a view and can talk freely with the outside world.
EvE is a pretty good Economics simulator. For a largely post-scarcity world whose Economic participants have no base needs to be met(ever have to pay an ISK for a burger, or normal ship fuel?), so not a great simulator of any real world economy.
Nullsec is a decent political simulator. But that's mostly the players. From what I hear, the Chinese server's nullsec is a bit more stagnant then ours. |

Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
209
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Posted - 2012.01.09 05:26:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:Professor Alphane wrote:RubyPorto wrote:Professor Alphane wrote:KrakizBad wrote:Confirming that blowing up internet spaceships in a game about blowing up internet spaceships is indicative of horrible childhood angst. Men who weren't bullied their entire teen years only join this game to mine. Thiking a submarine simulation is all about blowing up Submarines is indeed confirming my opinion thanks  Fixed. Well at least your not obtuse enough to contest it isn't a simulation  Yeah, I just fixed your comment without making one of my own. My response to the insane idea that EvE is a simulation game (X-Plane is an *AMAZING* simulator, as is it's sister project Space Combat) is later on that page, but I'll restate it here. EvE is a PvP focused Massively Multiplayer Online Sandbox. A MMOS, if you will. The FIS part bears a passing resemblance to a Submarine Warfare simulator if you take some (giant) leaps (for mankind). For instance, good simulators don't act in 1 second long ticks, don't just "Assume the ship's a ball," for convenience, and generally have a better steering interface than click in space, or set the Cruise control, or Approach/Orbit/Keep at Range. They tend not to have your ship randomly stop and turn around when you do something to change it's speed, or may other reasons why EvE would be a bad simulator if it were trying to be one. The WIS part is actually a really good simulation of a Prison Cell, but still manages to fail in that you have a view and can talk freely with the outside world. EvE is a pretty good Economics simulator. For a largely post-scarcity world whose Economic participants have no base needs to be met(ever have to pay an ISK for a burger, or normal ship fuel?), so not a great simulator of any real world economy. Nullsec is a decent political simulator. But that's mostly the players. From what I hear, the Chinese server's nullsec is a bit more stagnant then ours.
So it isn't a space simulation after all it's a submarine, economic and political simulator set in space, my bad 
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |

RubyPorto
Profoundly Disturbed RED.Legion
1155
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Posted - 2012.01.09 05:35:00 -
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Professor Alphane wrote:So it isn't a space simulation after all it's a submarine, economic and political simulator set in space, my bad 
If you're going to take my rhetorical devices out of context, it might help if you hid some of the context to hid that you're missing the point.
All three of those are the types of simulators EvE resembles, and EvE resembles very bad versions of them all.
Professor Alphane wrote:
So it isn't a space simulation after all
Finally, you get it.
See, I can take people's rhetorical devices out of context too. |

Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
209
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Posted - 2012.01.09 05:37:00 -
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Pedantic word play is pedantic word play 
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |

RubyPorto
Profoundly Disturbed RED.Legion
1155
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Posted - 2012.01.09 05:40:00 -
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Professor Alphane wrote:Pedantic word play is pedantic word play 
You're giving me shit for taking your words out of context in the exact same way you took mine?
Strawmen aren't so much fun when they punch back, are they? |

Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
209
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Posted - 2012.01.09 05:42:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:Professor Alphane wrote:Pedantic word play is pedantic word play  You're giving me sh it for taking your words out of context in the exact same way you took mine?  Strawmen aren't so much fun when they punch back, are they?
I'm not giving you Sh*t , I was expressing my view that our discussion had reached an empasse. You obviusly firmly believe EVE isn't a space simulation, fine mate whatever, no concern of mine really.
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |

Ursula LeGuinn
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Posted - 2012.01.09 05:42:00 -
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/me takes a deep breath
/me reminds self that the forum is only a conversation simulator "The EVE forums are intended to provide a warm, friendly atmosphere for the EVE community."-áGÇö-áEVElopedia |

RubyPorto
Profoundly Disturbed RED.Legion
1155
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Posted - 2012.01.09 05:43:00 -
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But this has gotten off topic.
WTB: MOAR Prencleeve! Or has his newest alt been permaband?
YEAAHHHHHHHHHH |

Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1439
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Posted - 2012.01.09 05:56:00 -
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Professor Alphane wrote:Pedantic word play is pedantic word play  Says the guy insisting the game is a simulator.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |

Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
209
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Posted - 2012.01.09 06:16:00 -
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Ladie Harlot wrote:Professor Alphane wrote:Pedantic word play is pedantic word play  Says the guy insisting the game is a simulator.
I'm not insisting, I merely giving my opinion
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |

Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1443
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Posted - 2012.01.09 06:19:00 -
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Professor Alphane wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Professor Alphane wrote:Pedantic word play is pedantic word play  Says the guy insisting the game is a simulator. I'm not insisting, I merely giving my opinion look at this guy backpedaling
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |

Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
209
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Posted - 2012.01.09 06:23:00 -
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Ladie Harlot wrote:Professor Alphane wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Professor Alphane wrote:Pedantic word play is pedantic word play  Says the guy insisting the game is a simulator. I'm not insisting, I merely giving my opinion look at this guy backpedaling
Back pedalling in what way, I still believe my contentions EVE is a simulation in both it's general terminology and to some degree it's technical terminology.
I just don't really care what you think and have decided the discussion was futile, and as ever my opinion is just that an opinion.
/edit Typo Lady Harlot was good enough to point out
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