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Ursula LeGuinn
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Posted - 2012.01.09 06:25:00 -
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Professor Alphane wrote:I'm not insisting, I merely giving my opinion
I'm pretty sure giving your opinion over and over again is the textbook definition of insisting. Let's find out!
Dictionary.com wrote:insist [in-sist] GÇé
3. to dwell with earnestness or emphasis (usually followed by on or upon): to insist on a point in a discussion
"The EVE forums are intended to provide a warm, friendly atmosphere for the EVE community."-áGÇö-áEVElopedia |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.01.09 06:26:00 -
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Professor Alphane wrote:Back pedalling in what why
Indeed.
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RubyPorto
Profoundly Disturbed
RED.Legion
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Posted - 2012.01.09 06:27:00 -
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Professor Alphane wrote:RubyPorto wrote:Professor Alphane wrote:Pedantic word play is pedantic word play  You're giving me sh it for taking your words out of context in the exact same way you took mine?  Strawmen aren't so much fun when they punch back, are they? I'm not giving you Sh*t , I was expressing my view that our discussion had reached an empasse. You obviusly firmly believe EVE isn't a space simulation, fine mate whatever, no concern of mine really.
I'm not giving you Sh*t, I was expressing my view that our discussion had reached an impasse. You obviously firmly believe that EVE isn't a space simulation.Fine mate, whatever.No concern of mine, really.
You also have your tenses mixed up at the beginning of your concession speech; either you aren't ("I'm not") giving me shit and are (if you were to type it "am") expressing your view, or you were not ("wasn't") giving me shit and were expressing your view ("was").
And calling someone out for pedantic wordplay(wordplay is one word, FYI) when nothing of the sort was occurring is an odd way to say that a discussion is at an impasse (which doesn't mean it's not worth having, vigorous debate is a wonderful way to refine our views on a subject). |
Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
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Posted - 2012.01.09 06:30:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote: vigorous debate is a wonderful way to refine our views on a subject.
True but you've got to learn to shrug and walk away once it becomes futile.
And as far as the pedantic word play comment goes it wasn't just directed at you it was an admittance to my own part in the 'discussion' as well, perhaps that wasn't clear sorry.
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |
Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
209
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Posted - 2012.01.09 06:32:00 -
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Ursula LeGuinn wrote:Professor Alphane wrote:I'm not insisting, I merely giving my opinion I'm pretty sure giving your opinion over and over again is the textbook definition of insisting. Let's find out!Dictionary.com wrote:insist [in-sist] GÇé
3. to dwell with earnestness or emphasis (usually followed by on or upon): to insist on a point in a discussion
Sorry it may appear that way to you but cross discussing a subject with up to 4 people at once can lead to some repetition.
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |
Ursula LeGuinn
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Posted - 2012.01.09 06:39:00 -
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Professor Alphane wrote:Sorry it may appear that way to you but cross discussing a subject with up to 4 people at once can lead to some repetition.
Be that as it may, your approach to this discussion is hypocritical to the extreme. Arguing that EVE "isn't just about blowing up spaceships" and supporting said argument by tossing around the word "simulation" is about as pedantic as one can get.
Also, you're plain and simply wrong. Every single aspect of this game, including PvE, is directly tied to blowing up spaceships: Demand for minerals, demand for mods and ships, and other non-violent PvE activities are only meaningful because stuff blows up and needs to be replaced. As for missions, well, missions are about blowing up NPCs.
The only possible exception to this is hauling missions, but no one in the entire world plays EVE for hauler missions.
PvP is the most important aspect of the game by a huge margin, as well as the most interesting and compelling aspect.
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Jita Alt666
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Posted - 2012.01.09 06:40:00 -
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Professor Alphane wrote:Ursula LeGuinn wrote:Professor Alphane wrote:I'm not insisting, I merely giving my opinion I'm pretty sure giving your opinion over and over again is the textbook definition of insisting. Let's find out!Dictionary.com wrote:insist [in-sist] GÇé
3. to dwell with earnestness or emphasis (usually followed by on or upon): to insist on a point in a discussion Sorry it may appear that way to you but cross discussing a subject with up to 4 people at once can lead to some repetition.
Which would still fit the definition of insisting. |
Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
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Posted - 2012.01.09 06:42:00 -
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Obviously thats your opinion but funnily enough someone posted figures of EVE's population by sec satus somewhere today, maybe you'd be suprised to learn 80% of players are high seccers.
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KrakizBad
Eve Defence Force
Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2012.01.09 06:43:00 -
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And that has exactly what to do with anything?
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Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
211
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Posted - 2012.01.09 06:44:00 -
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Jita Alt666 wrote:Professor Alphane wrote:Ursula LeGuinn wrote:Professor Alphane wrote:I'm not insisting, I merely giving my opinion I'm pretty sure giving your opinion over and over again is the textbook definition of insisting. Let's find out!Dictionary.com wrote:insist [in-sist] GÇé
3. to dwell with earnestness or emphasis (usually followed by on or upon): to insist on a point in a discussion Sorry it may appear that way to you but cross discussing a subject with up to 4 people at once can lead to some repetition. Which would still fit the definition of insisting.
Well that certainly wasn't my intention
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |
Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
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Posted - 2012.01.09 06:45:00 -
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KrakizBad wrote:And that has exactly what to do with anything?
Ursula LeGuinn wrote:
PvP is the most important aspect of the game by a huge margin
It's a reply to this
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KrakizBad
Eve Defence Force
Fatal Ascension
175
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Posted - 2012.01.09 06:49:00 -
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Because you think PVP only happens in nullsec?
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Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
211
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Posted - 2012.01.09 06:50:00 -
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KrakizBad wrote:Because you think PVP only happens in nullsec?
No
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Ursula LeGuinn
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Posted - 2012.01.09 06:51:00 -
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Professor Alphane wrote:Obviously thats your opinion but funnily enough someone posted figures of EVE's population by sec satus somewhere today, maybe you'd be suprised to learn 80% of players are high seccers.
I knew that over four years ago. EVE's demographics have been that way since before I began playing.
Yet EVE is famous not for those 80% of Empire players, but for its PvP, the shenanigans of large alliances, Ponzi schemes past and present, corporate raids, piracy, and other conflict-oriented features.
Do you want to watch a video of someone mining Veldspar, or an historic video of BOB POS bowling? (RIP, POS bowling.)
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RubyPorto
Profoundly Disturbed
RED.Legion
1156
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Posted - 2012.01.09 06:53:00 -
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Professor Alphane wrote:KrakizBad wrote:And that has exactly what to do with anything? Ursula LeGuinn wrote:
PvP is the most important aspect of the game by a huge margin
It's a reply to this
Ok, without boats being Violenced, who uses (as in uses up) the LP store items missioners make? Who uses the boats the miners make? Who uses the moon goo the POS Ranchers make? If you say missioners, you know some terrible mission runners if they need more than one new boat a year(not counting upgrades).
And uses means uses *up* as in gets destroyed so you need a new one.
80% Logistics, 20% combat troops is about right for a modern army, so sounds like the Hisec Population is providing the logistical and infrastructure support to the combatants. And what's an army without Combat Troops? Pointless.
EDIT: There's an Object lesson in what happens when nothing gets destroyed in EvE. The economy of SiSi. Nobody builds stuff because everything is cheap. Everything is cheap because there's a massive surplus. There's a surplus because supply drastically (special case here: infinitely) outpaces demand. |
Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
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Posted - 2012.01.09 06:54:00 -
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Ursula LeGuinn wrote:
Yet EVE is famous not for those 80% of Empire players, but for its PvP, the shenanigans of large alliances, Ponzi schemes past and present, corporate raids, piracy, and other conflict-oriented features.
True but this may or may not be a good thing.
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |
Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
211
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Posted - 2012.01.09 06:56:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:Professor Alphane wrote:KrakizBad wrote:And that has exactly what to do with anything? Ursula LeGuinn wrote:
PvP is the most important aspect of the game by a huge margin
It's a reply to this Ok, without boats being Violenced, who uses (as in uses up) the LP store items missioners make? Who uses the boats the miners make? Who uses the moon goo the POS Ranchers make? If you say missioners, you know some terrible mission runners if they need more than one new boat a year(not counting upgrades). And uses means uses *up* as in gets destroyed so you need a new one. 80% Logistics, 20% combat troops is about right for a modern army, so sounds like the Hisec Population is providing the logistical and infrastructure support to the combatants. And what's an army without Combat Troops? Pointless.
I'm not denying the influence of PVP in EVE, I was just frankly suprised by the figures myself.
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |
RubyPorto
Profoundly Disturbed
RED.Legion
1156
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Posted - 2012.01.09 06:59:00 -
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Professor Alphane wrote:
I'm not denying the influence of PVP in EVE, I was just frankly suprised by the figures myself.
You're right. We Have always been at war with EastAsia. My mistake. So sorry.
Professor Alphane wrote:Obviously thats your opinion but funnily enough someone posted figures of EVE's population by sec satus somewhere today, maybe you'd be suprised to learn 80% of players are high seccers.
Professor Alphane wrote:KrakizBad wrote:And that has exactly what to do with anything? Ursula LeGuinn wrote:
PvP is the most important aspect of the game by a huge margin
It's a reply to this |
Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
211
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Posted - 2012.01.09 07:01:00 -
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Theres a distinct diffrence between being Quote: The most importat aspect and having an influence IMO.
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KrakizBad
Eve Defence Force
Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2012.01.09 07:04:00 -
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Professor Alphane wrote:Theres a distinct diffrence between being Quote: The most importat aspect and having an influence IMO.
Please define that difference.
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Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
211
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Posted - 2012.01.09 07:07:00 -
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KrakizBad wrote:Professor Alphane wrote:Theres a distinct diffrence between being Quote: The most importat aspect and having an influence IMO. Please define that difference.
Don't you think we have derailed this thread enough already ? if it's truely something your interested perhaps you should start a thread about it.
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Jita Alt666
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Posted - 2012.01.09 07:12:00 -
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Professor Alphane wrote:KrakizBad wrote:Professor Alphane wrote:Theres a distinct diffrence between being Quote: The most importat aspect and having an influence IMO. Please define that difference. Don't you think we have derailed this thread enough already ? if it's truely something your interested perhaps you should start a thread about it.
heh - you point out difference (perceived), are subsequently challenged, then imply the respondent was the person who expressed the majority of interest.
you're |
Ursula LeGuinn
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Posted - 2012.01.09 07:16:00 -
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Professor Alphane wrote:Theres a distinct diffrence between being Quote: The most importat aspect and having an influence IMO.
What influence does PvE have on the game? I'll do a simplified tally:
- acquisition of minerals and fuel
- generation of raw ISK (missions, bounties)
- modules, blueprints, components, materials acquired from NPCs
- generation of LP points and, thus, LP rewards
- NPC corp standings
- tyrannical movement of dots around planets
PvP is a significant factor in most of these activities. The primary demand for minerals and fuel comes from PvP. Many modules, blueprints and components are in high demand only because of PvP. Many LP store rewards (including implants) sell for high prices primarily because ships get blown up due to PvP.
Pretty much every other aspect of EVE that matters is born from conflict. Conflict is why people read books, it's why they watch movies, and it's why they play MMOs, at least until WoW was released [insert trollface].
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Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
211
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Posted - 2012.01.09 07:20:00 -
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Ursula LeGuinn wrote:Professor Alphane wrote:Theres a distinct diffrence between being Quote: The most importat aspect and having an influence IMO. What influence does PvE have on the game? I'll do a simplified tally: - acquisition of minerals and fuel
- generation of raw ISK (missions, bounties)
- modules, blueprints, components, materials acquired from NPCs
- generation of LP points and, thus, LP rewards
- NPC corp standings
- tyrannical movement of dots around planets
PvP is a significant factor in most of these activities. The primary demand for minerals and fuel comes from PvP. Many modules, blueprints and components are in high demand only because of PvP. Many LP store rewards (including implants) sell for high prices primarily because ships get blown up due to PvP. Pretty much every other aspect of EVE that matters is born from conflict. Conflict is why people read books, it's why they watch movies, and it's why they play MMOs, at least until WoW was released [insert trollface]. I'm gonna stop now though, I love to argue because I'm contrarian by nature but it's really gone on too long in a thread that's supposed to be about...... a fourteen-year-old lulz generator.
This
/edit well at least we agree on that, funny you edited it out though.
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KrakizBad
Eve Defence Force
Fatal Ascension
180
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Posted - 2012.01.09 07:23:00 -
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Sure, I will accept that you are unable to form a cogent reply.
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Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
211
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Posted - 2012.01.09 07:26:00 -
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KrakizBad wrote:Sure, I will accept that you are unable to form a cogent reply.
errr a what now?
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KrakizBad
Eve Defence Force
Fatal Ascension
180
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Posted - 2012.01.09 07:28:00 -
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Professor Alphane wrote:KrakizBad wrote:Sure, I will accept that you are unable to form a cogent reply. errr a what now?
Seriously. Dictionary. Buy one.
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Forum Fighter
Internet Tough Guys
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Posted - 2012.01.09 07:36:00 -
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Ladie Harlot wrote:Ai Shun wrote:Amusing, because you can find out a lot about the Mittani through Google, his regular columns, etc. Apparently he is a loosely organized Hurrian-speaking state in northern Syria and south-east Anatolia. And a strikingly handsome man...
If you like pale, skinny, metro-sexuals with yellow teeth.
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Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
211
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Posted - 2012.01.09 07:41:00 -
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KrakizBad wrote:Professor Alphane wrote:KrakizBad wrote:Sure, I will accept that you are unable to form a cogent reply. errr a what now? Seriously. Dictionary. Buy one.
Well you learn something new every day
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RubyPorto
Profoundly Disturbed
RED.Legion
1157
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Posted - 2012.01.09 07:46:00 -
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Professor Alphane wrote:
Well you learn something new every day
Strive for two today. |
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