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Cipher7
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Posted - 2007.07.10 09:32:00 -
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 Originally by: PHPR Ronin
and yes, due to this series of events I will never gang with a non-corp mate as the system is bugged as it stands now.
Why would you gang with a non-corpie to begin with?
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Lucre
STK Scientific
M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.07.10 09:49:00 -
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Originally by: PHPR Ronin
Originally by: Lucre
So what you're basically saying is that you were CONCORDOKKEN'D for aiding and abetting an attack on yourself...?
That's a neat trick!
LOL, that would be a neat trick but no. I was in a battleship setup for logistics.
Logistics still count as aiding a criminal (ever since the Zombie's fragfest in Yulai when they used remotereppers to tank CONCORD!). He was committing an illegal act - shooting you. You were repairing him, so when he was flagged as a criminal for attacking you, you were also flagged for aiding and abetting a criminal in the act. The fact that the "crime" was against the person who was aiding the criminal doesn't matter to CONCORD!
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WulfWestphal
Minmatar
Niflhel
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Posted - 2007.07.10 11:32:00 -
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Edited by: WulfWestphal on 10/07/2007 11:33:48
Originally by: PHPR Ronin
I'm not asking for an additional pop up. I'm asking for an existing pop up to work properly. If my client is already set to prompt before dangourous acts to occur and I'm stupid enough to fire on a say a station in high sec then I fully agree that i should loose any ship i'm flying as I was given the option and still said "sure, fire"
so you want that popup "you are performing a criminal action ... bla bla" when the next cycle of your repper would repair a now criminal target? i can understand it in the light of the things that happend to you.
but, eve is pretty much idiot proof by now. there are very little things that dont require you to close a little nasty warning window. its getting annoying, and the thought that someone complained enough or was stupid enough (and then complained) or even stayed uninformed enough with months of playtime on their back, is not making it better.
so im entering lowsec? thanks for the info, i saw that on the map and set the autopilot on shortest route. i am attacking a lone miner in a hisec area? its illegal and concord would be on their way? ya rly?? yeah i see that im selling for -50% profit, it is stated there in red. i can read, thanks...
putting more warning windows in, or letting the existing ones pop up more often, is not the solution i think. it treats symptoms not the source. concord, their actions and the options in gangs should be looked at. till then, be carefull what modules you activate, dont autotarget back, dont put them on autorepeat in empire and gee... use your brains more often.
p.s.: on a side note: im frequently in gangs with friends from another corp. remote repper, repper drones, sensor links, target links, etc. and till now only one domi from a friend was destroyed due to an autotarget back and a targetpainter. :) it never happend again, cause he learned and now we laugh that he put himself in the egg even before we went in the extravaganza... :)
edit: the threadtitel ist still stupid and insulting...
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PHPR Ronin
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Posted - 2007.07.10 15:19:00 -
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Originally by: WulfWestphal
Edited by: WulfWestphal on 10/07/2007 11:53:13
Edited by: WulfWestphal on 10/07/2007 11:33:48
Originally by: PHPR Ronin
I'm not asking for an additional pop up. I'm asking for an existing pop up to work properly. If my client is already set to prompt before dangourous acts to occur and I'm stupid enough to fire on a say a station in high sec then I fully agree that i should loose any ship i'm flying as I was given the option and still said "sure, fire"
so you want that popup "you are performing a criminal action ... bla bla" when the next cycle of your repper would repair a now criminal target? i can understand it in the light of the things that happend to you.
but, eve is pretty much idiot proof by now. there are very little things that dont require you to close a little nasty warning window. its getting annoying, and the thought that someone complained enough or was stupid enough (and then complained) or even stayed uninformed enough with months of playtime on their back, is not making it better.
so im entering lowsec? thanks for the info, i saw that on the map and set the autopilot on shortest route. i am attacking a lone miner in a hisec area? its illegal and concord would be on their way? ya rly?? yeah i see that im selling for -50% profit, it is stated there in red. i can read, thanks...
putting more warning windows in, or letting the existing ones pop up more often, is not the solution i think. it treats symptoms not the source. concord, their actions and the options in gangs should be looked at. till then, be carefull what modules you activate, dont autotarget back, dont put them on autorepeat in empire and gee... use your brains more often.
p.s.: on a side note: im frequently in gangs with friends from another corp. remote repper, repper drones, sensor links, target links, etc. and till now only one domi from a friend was destroyed due to an autotarget back and a targetpainter. :) it never happend again, cause he learned and now we laugh that he put himself in the egg even before we went in the extravaganza... :)
edit: the threadtitel ist still stupid and insulting...
edit2: i want a warning window when i leave the station without accepting the mission from the agent (happens way to often) oh... and when having agressiontimer in lowsec and i attempt to warp to a gate (happend 2 times and never again) ... yeah sometimes **** happens *g*
But see, I have my client set to prompt me for acts of stupidity. I was around back when you could gang with anyone and you were on your own if you got attacked from said gang. That made me not gang with people that I didn't trust. They "fixed" that "bug" at some point and I feel it broke more than it fixed as now you can't even trust people in your gang.
The reason I gang with people not of my corp is simple. I used to belong to a corp and we disbanded and we still occasionally work together. The reason for this particular incident was I was in process of putting an application into my friends corp and I was running missions with him until it went thru. I am now in the same corp so it wont happen again i'm sure. but I still feel it's a bug that needs to be addressed by CCP.
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Shari Vegas
Minmatar
Ctrl Alt Elites
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Posted - 2007.07.10 15:38:00 -
[65]
Mission monkey loses ship due to own fault. Community ceases to care.
More at 11.
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FarScape III
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Posted - 2007.07.10 16:37:00 -
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Edited by: FarScape III on 10/07/2007 16:37:20
I suggest do missions in low sec and this would not happen.
BUT, the concordoken thing is a bit over done IMO.
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LORD IZE
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Posted - 2007.07.11 00:24:00 -
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ROFL now I dont' feel so bad about getting concorded for popping the wreck of my alt who was in gang with me but in a different corp(wrecks treated differently than ships and thus his ship was in gang(ok to fire upon) but his wreck wasn't). |
Tarminic
Black Flame Industries
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Posted - 2007.07.11 00:47:00 -
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Originally by: LORD IZE
ROFL now I dont' feel so bad about getting concorded for popping the wreck of my alt who was in gang with me but in a different corp(wrecks treated differently than ships and thus his ship was in gang(ok to fire upon) but his wreck wasn't).
Actually I don't think ships in the same gang can fire on each other without being concorded unless in the same corporation.
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Ogdru Jahad
Amarr
Hookers and Black Jack
Flaming Hookers
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Posted - 2007.07.11 08:08:00 -
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each jets a can into space....
each takes from the other can. both are flagged to each other for 15mins. hence no concord.
think outside the box.
/me cannot handle idiots overly well.
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Cpt Branko
Guardian Heroes
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Posted - 2007.07.11 09:12:00 -
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Originally by: Laboratus
Bah,
CCP remove concord, or just make them 1M empire rats.
The system as it is now is just nuts.
Yeees! At least for a day ;)
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xong
Okkelen Grave Robbers
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Posted - 2007.07.11 09:32:00 -
[71]
You really really need to stick to corp-ops if you want to do remote support of anyone in 0.5 or above...
I have lost 4-5 battleships to concord...
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CheneysGun
Caldari
Perkone
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Posted - 2007.07.11 10:57:00 -
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Simular situation for myself.... Been in 0.0 since befor the update that brought wrecks. (It's a carebear summer vacation!!!) So my mining alt and self are ganged. Normaly he shield reps and salvages my missions. But he is ice mining one system over while I take a stroll. Anyway to get to the point.... I entered the system he was in and he fleeted us for mining bonus. I'm doing some traditional belt cleaning in a Hookbill.
Being the concerned carebear that I am, durring my vaca, I am popping the wrecks so not to pollute. My mining alt meanwhile has killed some rats via drones but his hulk is just about full. So I pop over to the belt. He is in the process of warping out... I grab the loot from the wrecks... f1, f2, f3, f4. So my alt is just about to warp away and I see a red blink with Mr Skull ever so breifly in his overview. Instant internal voice says 'oh man.... wtf' and client freezes like a millasecond snapshot of JV1V titan yard battle and then poof, ship gone. 
Ok so ignorance is not a petitionable action, fine. And GM of course couldn't just say "you where and idot for shooting someone elses wreck" but standard (bar brady voice)"nothing to see here, move along" so I had to drag it out of him by submitting logs and halo reels, dna.  So someone point me toward the carebear handbook. I'm in empire to get rich and all kinds of faction ships to cluter the hanger. But Im starting to feel the safest place for me (and my alt) is back in 0.0. So there you have it, my tail of carebear woe. 
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Iyanah
Minmatar
Mining Munitions and Mayhem
R i s e
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Posted - 2007.07.11 11:25:00 -
[73]
Originally by: Midarin
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Step 4) game client was glitched and his missle launcher was apperently set to auto-fire
It's not a glitch. We call this "cycling" your weapons and modules. If you turn on a module but it can't actually come on (most commonly because the target is out of range or completely off grid) it will stay on until you target something else at which point it comes on automatically, or until there is a session change like jumping through a gate or docking at which point the modules go back to normal.
this is also refered to as having "weapons hot" you activate your weapons whilst you are locking or before locking on to a target, the second you complete the lock, you fire a full salvo, as well as activating any webbers/scrams, etc which require a lock.
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Xtro 2
Caldari
Pre-nerfed Tactics
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Posted - 2007.07.11 13:23:00 -
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not that old chestnut, however after reading your post and checking the title of the post i fail to see anywhere how "CCP" themselves managed to step in and "steal" anything whatsoever.
Xtro 2 - Tactically Insane Tradesman.
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PHPR Ronin
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Posted - 2007.07.12 20:11:00 -
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So I got clarification from senior GM's. (Man I wish posting GM responses didn't bring out the ban stick)
It's confirmed that this is indeed a bug but since server logs don't log enough information to prove it, they deny it's occurrence.
<sarcasm> Ha Ha, you cant see me... My head is stuck in the ground, so I'm invisible. </sarcasm>
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Thanos Draicon
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Posted - 2007.07.12 20:14:00 -
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Originally by: PHPR Ronin
It's confirmed that this is indeed a bug but since server logs don't log enough information to prove it, they deny it's occurrence.
Yes, I'm sure it's a big conspiracy because a GM was envious of your battleship, and wanted to deny it from you. Trust no one! Blame the Smoking Man!
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PHPR Ronin
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Posted - 2007.07.12 20:22:00 -
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Originally by: Thanos Draicon
Originally by: PHPR Ronin
It's confirmed that this is indeed a bug but since server logs don't log enough information to prove it, they deny it's occurrence.
Yes, I'm sure it's a big conspiracy because a GM was envious of your battleship, and wanted to deny it from you. Trust no one! Blame the Smoking Man!
again, wish I could copy the petition response over but I have to paraphrase. It had something to do with the betterment of the game and performance to not log enough detail to verify my situation. So in short, no server logs = no reimbursement, and what they log exactly is anyone's guess.
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Thanos Draicon
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Posted - 2007.07.12 20:36:00 -
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Originally by: PHPR Ronin
again, wish I could copy the petition response over but I have to paraphrase. It had something to do with the betterment of the game and performance to not log enough detail to verify my situation. So in short, no server logs = no reimbursement, and what they log exactly is anyone's guess.
If they reinbursed you in a situation where they can't verify that something bad happened, then I could just make up "bugs" every time I lost a ship.
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Dapanman1
Amarr
Beets and Gravy Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.07.12 20:42:00 -
[79]
Originally by: Braineater
Originally by: PHPR Ronin
Step 3) He had auto-target back on (normally no big deal)
Step 4) game client was glitched and his missle launcher was apperently set to auto-fire
Seems to me that 3) is the real cause of trouble here. Everything else that has happened is a valid consequence of the preceding action, so I really don't see the point of this complaint.
But: I'm really curious about how many deaths this setting has actually caused, maybe it's time to set it to zero by default... could imagine a few logistics pilots getting shot at by gang mates while camping because someone hat auto-target back on and his weapons pre-cycling.
It also doesn't help that every patch resets this setting to its default at 1 target autolocked. (and patch resets my resoloution, window position, overview settings, etc. but thats enough for another thread)
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.07.12 20:45:00 -
[80]
Originally by: Cipher7
Originally by: PHPR Ronin
and yes, due to this series of events I will never gang with a non-corp mate as the system is bugged as it stands now.
Why would you gang with a non-corpie to begin with?
Alliance member for example?
Helping a new player run a mission?
Seeing how a potential recruit handle himslf in combat?
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Vito Parabellum
Fivrelde Corp
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Posted - 2007.07.12 20:55:00 -
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This happened to me like two years ago and I got my ship back as I got CONKORDOKKENED while assisting in an agression against myself. Agression against yourself should be easy to check and I'm very surprised you have been petition shafted.
Worthy to note is that CONCORD was so weak back then I actually made the domi survive for one minute by remote repping with my apoc, until he vanished. Then they turned on me, prolly out of hurt ego. ;)
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Arrgs
Retribution Corp.
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Posted - 2007.07.12 20:57:00 -
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Haha owned.
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Kruel
Save our Souls
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Posted - 2007.07.12 22:22:00 -
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It doesn't sound right to lose a ship for repping a guy who accidentally shot you.
Game mechanics need a bit of tweaking... no big surprise there. Sucks that GM's won't reimburse, but hey I've lost over 1b due to buggy bull**** in this game. That translates to how much in real world cash? Yeah... "our logs don't show any problem" 
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Hyuuga Veralis
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2007.07.12 23:15:00 -
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Originally by: Lance Fighter
Originally by: Tarminic
Originally by: Lance Fighter
wait a sec. Something is wrong here when I can gank a mission runner with his drones idle by shooting his drone... I mean, seriously.
Well, it's kind of a mutual-gank since both of you would lose your ships. And do drones always aggress a player firing on them? I haven't tested this theory myself, and drone behavior isn't always consistent.
if they are orbiting the player who controls them, they will attack anything that agress them. But still, all i need is a frigate to pwn a CNR!
Attacking their drones criminally flags you, once you are flagged, you're fair game for the player and his drones.
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Shari Vegas
Minmatar
Ctrl Alt Elites
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Posted - 2007.07.12 23:18:00 -
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Originally by: Arrgs
Haha owned.
QFT
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