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Amana Tsasa Hedion University Amarr Empire 12	Posted - 2012.01.08 19:22:00 - [1] - Quote Now, Im not asking which is the worst per-say, just which do you guys think is the least used over-all of the T1 (Non-Faction, Non-pirate, Non-special) Cruisers and Battleships, I would think probably the Auguror, and the Scythe for the cruisers, but I haven't gotten to Battleships yet, so I wouldn't be able to make a clear determination on those
Rancyin Trans-Solar Works 25	Posted - 2012.01.08 19:25:00 - [2] - Quote Amana Tsasa wrote: Now, Im not asking which is the worst per-say, just which do you guys think is the least used over-all of the T1 (Non-Faction, Non-pirate, Non-special) Cruisers and Battleships, I would think probably the Auguror, and the Scythe for the cruisers, but I haven't gotten to Battleships yet, so I wouldn't be able to make a clear determination on those You wont see many Scythe's knocking about. thats a T1 Minmatar cruiser just so you know. Killboard Banner service: www.evegfx.com www.eve-domain.com for all your webite hosting
Kale Eledar Mining and Industrial Services The Irukandji 19	Posted - 2012.01.08 19:26:00 - [3] - Quote I would say the Hyperion for battleships, simply because many believe it is vastly inferior to cheaper ships at the same roles and it having odd bonuses and a high cost. I, however, love the ship. There are a few things it is damn good at.
Dyaven Aliastra Gallente Federation 10	Posted - 2012.01.08 22:24:00 - [4] - Quote Battleships are pretty well represented imo, Hyperion I feel is definitely the least flown but it's not nearly as rare as the Scythe, Auguror or Exequror.
Trinkets friend Obstergo NEM3SIS. 81	Posted - 2012.01.09 04:28:00 - [5] - Quote Augoror. I have seen nubs mining in Scythes because it can fit mining lasers. The Augoror basically can't and is replaced by mining geddons. The skilful employer of men will employ the wise man, the brave man, the covetous man, and the stupid man. Sun Tzu
Kraschyn Thek'athor Marquie-X Corp 0	Posted - 2012.01.09 15:09:00 - [6] - Quote In the Battlecruiser department, Prophecies. A wonderful aesthetic ship with no use except obvious-bait > neut-plattform > stealth-bomber targeting practice vessel. - Punisher, same problem in the frig-segment. - Inquisitor - Hybrid armed Caldari Frigs (since Kestrel is tooo nice) - Moa is a good candidate for a rare T1 cruiser I would call the Rokh more rarely seen than the Hyperion. But for the T1 Cruiser department, I would say it is easier to say which Cruisers are worth flying. Arbitrator, Vexor, Thorax, Osprey, Caracal (the Level 1/2 Mission Beast), Blackbird, Rupture, Stabber A reworking of the T1 Cruisers would be nice in some way. The Omen is a beast to fit for newer pilots and the Maller is a DPS failure.
Mac Tir State War Academy Caldari State 16	Posted - 2012.01.09 20:49:00 - [7] - Quote There's really no excuse as to why so many of the T1 cruisers stink. I feel for newer Amarr players especially, with the Arbitrator being so specialized. It makes even less sense when Eve loses dozens of potential players who jack in the game after a few months. I can only imagine how dispiriting it must feel to be told by a more experienced player that the Omen you think looks awesome blows, and that you shoud ''train Minmatar'' instead. @CCP: take charge and change some ******* ship attributes
Liang Nuren Heretic Army Heretic Nation 568	Posted - 2012.01.09 20:53:00 - [8] - Quote I'm gonna go with Augoror and Rokh. I haven't seen either one in space in a long, long time. -Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
Buzzmong Aliastra Gallente Federation 106	Posted - 2012.01.09 21:43:00 - [9] - Quote I think it's probably a toss up between the Celestis, Augoror and Bellicose, although the Omen is quite a rare sight as well. I can't actually recall seeing an Aug in space for a few years. I was also going to say the Exequror, but you occasionally see them bumbling around Gallente space like I did a couple of hours ago. BS wise, you don't see many Typhoons around these days, I think I've probably seen more Rohks recently, in high sec at least.
Drew Solaert University of Caille Gallente Federation 41	Posted - 2012.01.10 01:05:00 - [10] - Quote Celestis I've never seen one being flown. Ever.
Hrett Quantum Cats Syndicate 16	Posted - 2012.01.10 02:35:00 - [11] - Quote Drew Solaert wrote: Celestis I've never seen one being flown. Ever. XG in QCATS flys them on occasion. I fit up a few recently with damps because of the masses of T3 sniper BC. It has been useful on a few occasions for making those guys useless. EDIT: My KB says I am on 6 KM with my Celestis recently... I also flew one last night. We jumped into a superior (not by much) force in a plex. They had equal number cruisers + a BC + 2 Blackbirds. I was actually able to damp one of the BB into uselessness, so he warped off. Our folks killed the other BB and a few other things, and we held the field. I was targeted by lots of drones and the drake, and got to use smartbombs for the first time ever. WOW. Bye bye drones. Suprisingly, combat log also showed that I popped a few of the drake's volleys with them. It also made a cool noise and had funky lights. I had to warp out eventually, but made it out safe. I didnt get on any KMs, but it was fun all the same. Learned smartbombs + RSDs eat cap like a mother. Need to refit a capbooster somehow without gimping my shield tank. Would fly again.
Nazir Sheik Muhammad Hedion University Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2012.01.10 03:26:00 - [12] - Quote It certainly was the rokh, until the much-anticipated hybrid buff got everyone excited enough to try one out again. Aside from the hype though, I haven't read anything spectacular about their new performance and I certainly haven't seen it myself. Then again, I don't participate in brosec fleet warfare so perhaps i'm missing a thing or two. At present I would nominate the typhoon as the least utilized. Despite the fact it's ungodly cheap and effective at what it does, what it does isn't very popular and not many pilots capable of flying one well actually do so as they have the sp (and usually isk) to fly around in far more expensive ships like the mach. As far as cruisers go, it's a really tough call. There are a lot of horrific cruisers out there that not many people bother flying. I guess i'd have to agree the aug is cheif among the fail.
Mardero Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 3	Posted - 2012.01.10 03:41:00 - [13] - Quote I use the Rokh for hauling high value/low volume cargo in hisec.
Tarunik Raqalth'Qui The Kairos Syndicate Transmission Lost 58	Posted - 2012.01.10 04:55:00 - [14] - Quote I've flown mining Scythes, so that's probably not it. The Bellicose is fairly rare but has its uses however, same with the Celestis. Augoror might be a good candidate especially if it can't fit mining lasers properly. Also, who the heck suggested the Typhoon? I fly 'em on a regular basis (they're cheap and hit the 100/150 mark pretty much on the nose for hole closing). Others: Inquisitor, Breacher As to the "sucky Amarr ships" department: I agree. The Punisher needs a better bonus than cap use (laser damage or tracking would both be good options), same with the Maller and Proph, while Omen needs to stop being so damn flimsy! (Seriously...you can get better mileage out of a Minmatar rustbucket!) My idea would be to just drop laser cap use bonuses on platforms without a RoF or optimal bonus (so Zealot, Apoc, and the LCM on the Legion would keep theirs, but all others would just go away, to be replaced by a buff of Controlled Bursts to 15%/level.
Eta Carinai Xujar 2	Posted - 2012.01.10 06:23:00 - [15] - Quote Rancyin wrote: Amana Tsasa wrote: Now, Im not asking which is the worst per-say, just which do you guys think is the least used over-all of the T1 (Non-Faction, Non-pirate, Non-special) Cruisers and Battleships, I would think probably the Auguror, and the Scythe for the cruisers, but I haven't gotten to Battleships yet, so I wouldn't be able to make a clear determination on those You wont see many Scythe's knocking about. thats a T1 Minmatar cruiser just so you know. That and the Hyperion.
Eta Carinai Xujar 2	Posted - 2012.01.10 06:26:00 - [16] - Quote Kale Eledar wrote: I would say the Hyperion for battleships, simply because many believe it is vastly inferior to cheaper ships at the same roles and it having odd bonuses and a high cost. I, however, love the ship. There are a few things it is damn good at. The Hyperion looks like a beast next to the Abbadon. But The Hyperion is a ultimate fail because its bonuses count for nothing. It is too costly to use hybrid weaponry and use armor reps because there is not as much armor rep like there used to be for he Myrmidon and Hyperion. Fitting it for other roles suites the ship but will always be inferior. Maybe CCP will revamp the Hyperion or make a nouther bs that will phase out what the Hyperion was ment for.
Tauranon Weeesearch 23	Posted - 2012.01.10 06:42:00 - [17] - Quote Dyaven wrote: Battleships are pretty well represented imo, Hyperion I feel is definitely the least flown but it's not nearly as rare as the Scythe, Auguror or Exequror. Exec is actually quite popular with starting players in the gallente starter corps - gets flown on combat days as a logi, gets used as a hauler by trials accounts and fitted with all manner of terrible mixed tanks and a salvager in the highs to bumble through level 1s and 2s.
Hrett Quantum Cats Syndicate 16	Posted - 2012.01.10 06:58:00 - [18] - Quote Auguror seems to be pulling into the lead.
Kusum Fawn State War Academy Caldari State 1	Posted - 2012.01.10 07:27:00 - [19] - Quote from time to time is see celestisis and exequrors, flown mostly by noobs in starting systems augerors not so much. I used to fly scythes just to fly scythes not because they were good for anything. Inquisitor Maulus Augerors, Keres Retribution Exequror navy issue Scythe Navy Issue Procurer in no particular order.
Rel'k Bloodlor Mecha Enterprises Fleet 52	Posted - 2012.01.10 08:40:00 - [20] - Quote There has to be a way to look it up, tho I don't know how. Do Augoror's get used like Osprey? as a cheap throw away ship? I mean couldn't a corp get and fit a few and use them to quik charge caps? for hella cheep? I put my cash on the Bellicose. what the hell dose it even do? I can't even tell ya with out looking, at least the others named so far popped up in my head as doing some thing kinda usfull.
Bumblefck Kerensky Initiatives 2680	Posted - 2012.01.10 10:18:00 - [21] - Quote * "per se" GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki
Takeshi Yamato eXceed Inc. No Holes Barred 108	Posted - 2012.01.10 10:55:00 - [22] - Quote I've never seen an Augoror in space.
Tanya Powers Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 778	Posted - 2012.01.10 11:28:00 - [23] - Quote Kale Eledar wrote: I would say the Hyperion for battleships, simply because many believe it is vastly inferior to cheaper ships at the same roles and it having odd bonuses and a high cost. I, however, love the ship. There are a few things it is damn good at. 8 T2 miners +T2 upgrades and links has better yeld than retriever for sure and probably almost that much than covetor. It's just several dozen millions more expensive. Just like being "the ultimate" blaster platform and under perform vs Megathron (tank/dps) and the price tag difference of 100% I love it too but it's horribly expensive for his crap performances, let's hope they make it something interesting with the supposed hybrids rebalance and ships using them -most prob 2013 we'll assist to blasters getting +50% range, not because it's a real buff, just because projectiles would get 100% falloff just before that.
Misina Arlath Sinister Elite 2	Posted - 2012.01.10 12:25:00 - [24] - Quote Augoror is definately a top candidate for least used / most useless. Honestly, who needs cap transfers and fly a tier 1 cruiser? Same goes for the Scythe and tracking links. The Osprey at least has Shield Transporting which is, if not the most useful, then definately not the least useful bonus a cruiser could have. Same goes for the Exequror and RR. The weird part about the Augoror is that they didn't give Augoror the mining bonus, but rather the Arbitrator. Which seems an odd choice considering Amarr aren't really that heavily into drones. At least nothing is aimed at drones until later when you need them for the bigger ships like BC's and BS's, or you for some reason go for the EW frigate. For my part though I love the Arbitrator and I quite often used it as a baitcar when I got pissed at smalltime pirate-wannabe's in highsec. It's quite efficient at killing frigates with dual medium neuts, double web, scrambler and a full compartment of T2 light and medium drones. Omen is a ship I liked when I was new. It was quite nice for missions when you could kite the rats and gun them down with beam lasers meaning you didn't really need to tank much. Also it looked alot more stylish and aggressive than the flatfaced Maller. As for battleships I think the Rohk is up there because it's costly, but first and foremost because most Caldari go for Missiles, thus most are not really trained on the gunnery skills and rather stick to what they know best. Thus the Raven comes out ahead as a clear winner (also a nice bonus that missiles = adjusting which resistance you are shooting at whenever you want). For the same reason the Ferox is a rarely used BC as well. Especially when measured up against the Drake which have all the benefits a Raven does (and it's a logical step to take towards getting a Raven for mission running). Of course, Prophecy is also up there. Nice ship design (though some might say pregnant pigeon), but it's really lacking with the bonuses. Also, considering how efficient the Harbinger is, why would you want the Prophecy anyways? I'm not going to start listing frigates too, other than to say the Inquisitor is one of the frigates I have had the most fun flying. Granted, I have good missile and support skills at this point, but it's just so fun to roam around with it and see how many who will attack you thinking you are a noob in a ship that by and large is renowned for being useless since no Amarr trains missiles (sort of like Arbitrator has been viewed as a pointless Amarr ship, even though it's a very nice T1 cruiser when you got skills for it). An inquis permarunning MWD and doing 3k-3.5m/s at 23km while keeping a point at you gets really, really annoying. Especially with the constant missile spam. It's just too funny. Then again, I always loved to fly the ships everyone hates or deems useless just to prove that they can be useful. Maybe i'll start training towards that Ferox next :)
X Gallentius Quantum Cats Syndicate 96	Posted - 2012.01.10 13:45:00 - [25] - Quote What?!! The Celestis is the greatest ship in Eve! The best Gallente pilot of all time Kessiaan (some may say this title is debatable, but they'd be wrong) came up with a triple sensor boosting fit that was great at gate camping and from there it was clear to me that the Celestis is pure win. Works great with triple anything like remote sensor boosters, webs, etc... All hail the mighty Celestis! The Exeqeror Navy Issue is a beastly dps machine that goes 2k+ m/s. I've seen one Navy Scythe, and couple Navy ospreys. Hardly ever see the Keres, nor Amarr frigs outside the Punisher and the ocasional Executioner.
Fronkfurter McSheebleton Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 55	Posted - 2012.01.10 14:12:00 - [26] - Quote Not sure I agree about the hyperion. You see quite a few of them in small gang roams, which is where they work best, and quite a few people prefer them over the megathron for pve. (myself included) The rokh is relatively popular as a sniper in incursion fleets, if nothing else. The typhoon, however....you don't see many in pve at all, and they have very niche roles in pvp. I'd say that's probably the least flown.
Tarunik Raqalth'Qui The Kairos Syndicate Transmission Lost 58	Posted - 2012.01.10 14:19:00 - [27] - Quote Rel'k Bloodlor wrote: There has to be a way to look it up, tho I don't know how. Do Augoror's get used like Osprey? as a cheap throw away ship? I mean couldn't a corp get and fit a few and use them to quik charge caps? for hella cheep? I put my cash on the Bellicose. what the hell dose it even do? I can't even tell ya with out looking, at least the others named so far popped up in my head as doing some thing kinda usfull. Bellicose actually can be used as a low-to-moderate SP medium-heavy tackler.
Rel'k Bloodlor Mecha Enterprises Fleet 52	Posted - 2012.01.10 14:50:00 - [28] - Quote Really? Well you learn some thing new every day.
Skurja Volpar DPB Corporation 11	Posted - 2012.01.10 18:03:00 - [29] - Quote I think the only Bellicose I ever saw in game was the one I used for cheap expendable lowsec exploration when I started out (although for all its flaws and unused bonuses it does pve better than the stabber), target painter bonus is pretty much doomed from the offset. All tier1 cruisers are pretty unrepresented too from what I've seen although mining scythes are not unheard of. I reckon giving them scaled down versions of their tech2 counterpart's bonus (eg able to run a useful ammount of mildly bonused medium reps) would help this and give players with less sp more opportunity to get into logis and pvp. Ferox or prophecey would be the BC hulls I've seen the least of, but compared to the above they're almost a common sight. Battleships are pretty balanced all round imho compared to other classes at least and I can't think of one that's noticably unused, an example of where the tier system can work as intended (a few extra slots in low tier bcs/frigs/cruisers and I reckon we might be swimming in balanced and diverse soup )
Liang Nuren Heretic Army Heretic Nation 568	Posted - 2012.01.10 18:20:00 - [30] - Quote X Gallentius wrote: What?!! The Celestis is the greatest ship in Eve! The best Gallente pilot of all time Kessiaan (some may say this title is debatable, but they'd be wrong) came up with a triple sensor boosting fit that was great at gate camping and from there it was clear to me that the Celestis is pure win. Works great with triple anything like remote sensor boosters, webs, etc... All hail the mighty Celestis! The Exeqeror Navy Issue is a beastly dps machine that goes 2k+ m/s. I've seen one Navy Scythe, and couple Navy ospreys. Hardly ever see the Keres, nor Amarr frigs outside the Punisher and the ocasional Executioner. If not for one of my corp mates flying the Bellicose I don't think I'd ever see one either. Augoror is rare too. I fought a dual prop Celestis in my Talos last night... it worked reasonbly well for him I think. -Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren

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