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Revan Neferis
Amarr Bloodveil The Sani Sabik
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Posted - 2007.07.10 10:23:00 -
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PROTOCOL No. 1
1. ....Putting aside fine phrases we shall speak of the significance of each thought: by comparisons and deductions we shall throw light upon surrounding facts.
2. What I am about to set forth, then, is our system from the two points of view, that of ourselves and that of the infidels [i.e., non- Sani Sabik].
3. It must be noted that men with bad instincts are more in number than the good, and therefore the best results in governing them are attained by violence and terrorisation, and not by academic discussions. Every man aims at power, everyone would like to become a dictator if only he could, and rare indeed are the men who understands that just a few are born for greatness and the others exists to feed the mind and needs of these geniouses.
4. What has restrained the beasts of prey who are called infidels, sub-men? What has served for their guidance hitherto?
5. In the beginnings of the structure of society, they were subjected to brutal and blind force; after words - to Law, which is the same force, only disguised. I draw the conclusion that by the law of nature right lies in force.
6. Political freedom is an idea but not a fact. This idea one must know how to apply whenever it appears necessary with this bait of an idea to attract the masses of the people to one's party for the purpose of crushing another who is in authority. This task is rendered easier of the opponent has himself been infected with the idea of freedom, and, for the sake of an idea, is willing to yield some of his power.
7. In our day the power which has replaced that of the rulers who were liberal is the power of isk. Time was when Faith ruled. The idea of freedom is impossible of realization because no one knows how to use it. It is enough to hand over a people to self-government for a certain length of time for that people to be turned into a disorganized mob. From that moment on we get internecine strife which soon develops into battles between classes, in the midst of which alliances and corporations burn down and their importance is reduced to that of a heap of ashes.
8. Whether these alliances exhausts themselves in its own convulsions, whether its internal discord brings it under the power of external foes - in any case it can be accounted irretrievable lost: IT IS IN OUR POWER.
9. Should anyone of a liberal mind say that such reflections as the above are immoral, I would put the following questions: If every power has two foes and if in regard to the external foe it is allowed and not considered immoral to use every manner and art of conflict, as for example to keep the enemy in ignorance of plans of attack and defense, to attack him by night or in superior numbers, then in what way can the same means in regard to a worse foe, the destroyer of the structure of society and the commonweal, be called immoral and not permissible?
10. Is it possible for any sound logical mind to hope with any success to guide crowds by the aid of reasonable counsels and arguments, when any objection or contradiction, senseless though it may be, can be made and when such objection may find more favor with the people, whose powers of reasoning are superficial? Men in masses and the men of the masses, being guided solely by petty passions, paltry beliefs, traditions and sentimental theorems, fall a prey to party dissension, which hinders any kind of agreement even on the basis of a perfectly reasonable argument. Every resolution of a crowd depends upon a chance or packed majority, which, in its ignorance of political secrets, puts forth some ridiculous resolution that lays in the administration a seed of anarchy.
11. The political has nothing in common with the moral. The ruler who is governed by the moral is not a skilled politician, and is therefore unstable to assume any position of power.
"One must still have chaos in oneself to give birth to a dancing Star"
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Revan Neferis
Amarr Bloodveil The Sani Sabik
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Posted - 2007.07.10 10:40:00 -
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RIGHT IS MIGHT
12. Our right lies in force. The word "right" is an abstract thought and proved by nothing. The word means no more than: Give me what I want in order that thereby I may have a proof that I am stronger than you.
13. Where does right begin? Where does it end?
14. In any Alliance in which there is a bad organization of authority, an impersonality of laws and of the rulers who have lost their personality amid the flood of rights ever multiplying out of liberalism, I find a new right - to attack by the right of the strong, and to scatter to the winds all existing forces of order and regulation, to reconstruct all institutions and to become the sovereign of those who have left to us the rights of their power by laying them down voluntarily in their liberalism.
15. Our power in the present tottering condition of all forms of power will be more invincible than any other, because it will remain invisible until the moment when it has gained such strength that no cunning can any longer undermine it.
16. Out of the temporary evil we are now compelled to commit will emerge the good of an unshakable rule, which will restore the regular course of the machinery of life, brought to naught by liberalism. The result justifies the means. Let us, however, in our plans, direct our attention not so much to what is good and moral as to what is necessary and useful.
17. In order to elaborate satisfactory forms of action it is necessary to have regard to the rascality, the slackness, the instability of the mob, its lack of capacity to understand and respect the conditions of its own life, or its own welfare. It must be understood that the might of a mob is blind, senseless and un- reasoning force ever at the mercy of a suggestion from any side. The blind cannot lead the blind without bringing them into the abyss; consequently, members of the mob, upstarts from the people even though they should be as a genius for wisdom, yet having no understanding of the political, cannot come forward as leaders of the mob without bringing the whole nation to ruin.
18.A people left to itself, i.e., to upstarts from its midst, brings itself to ruin by party dissensions excited by the pursuit of power and honors and the disorders arising there from. Is it possible for the masses of the people calmly and without petty jealousies to form judgment, to deal with the affairs of their alliances, which cannot be mixed up with personal interest? Can they defend themselves from an external foe? It is unthinkable; for a plan broken up into as many parts as there are heads in the mob, loses all homogeneity, and thereby becomes unintelligible and impossible of execution.
19. Without an absolute despotism there can be no existence for civilization which is carried on not by the masses but by their guide, whosoever that person may be. The mob is savage, and displays its savagery at every opportunity. The moment the mob seizes freedom in its hands it quickly turns to anarchy, which in itself is the highest degree of savagery.
20. Only force conquers in political affairs, especially if it be concealed in the talents essential to statesmen. Violence must be the principle, used with words by political means and isk by finacial. In politics one must know how to seize the property of others without hesitation if by it we secure submission and sovereignty.
21. Our Supreme Order has the right to replace the unsophisticated methods of war by less noticeable and more satisfactory sentences of death, necessary to maintain the terror which tends to produce blind submission. The doctrine of squaring accounts is precisely as strong as the means of which it makes use.
22. It is enough for them to know that we are too merciless for all disobedience to cease.
Under the 22 stars, ends the First Protocol. "The darker the sky, the brighter the stars will shine."
"One must still have chaos in oneself to give birth to a dancing Star"
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Hooch Flux
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.07.10 12:16:00 -
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Spoken like a true Narcissist and Sociopath!
Speaking of display's of power, how'd you get along with the Jove?
I say prep for dustoff, nuke the site from orbit...
Only way to be sure! |
Archbishop
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2007.07.10 12:18:00 -
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I was just going to ask that myself. I've heard nothing in the news of your Jovian engagements or the destruction of the Jovian fleet.
Archbishop
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Revan Neferis
Amarr Bloodveil The Sani Sabik
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Posted - 2007.07.10 12:26:00 -
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Edited by: Revan Neferis on 10/07/2007 12:25:50 Wrong thread you brainwashed illiterates.
"One must still have chaos in oneself to give birth to a dancing Star"
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Hooch Flux
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.07.10 13:15:00 -
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Originally by: Revan Neferis Edited by: Revan Neferis on 10/07/2007 12:25:50 Wrong thread you brainwashed illiterates.
You just put up an entire rant about "Power" and we are not allowed to reference your last "Rhetorical Gesticulation" which in my opinion was nothing more than an attempt at public self promotion of power. To demonstrate power requires you to actually follow through with such a venture or people will just take you as a "Posturing Fool"!
Ergo, practise what you preach!
I say prep for dustoff, nuke the site from orbit...
Only way to be sure! |
Revan Neferis
Amarr Bloodveil The Sani Sabik
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Posted - 2007.07.10 13:20:00 -
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Edited by: Revan Neferis on 10/07/2007 13:20:34
Originally by: Hooch Flux Ergo, practise what you preach!
Exactly the reason why I'm the Sani Sabik Sovereign and you are just another floating name at space. Talk about the protocols if you have any mental capability to read and send the personal attacks to my fan club. I read and autograph all letters directed to me, when I find time.
"One must still have chaos in oneself to give birth to a dancing Star"
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Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2007.07.10 14:14:00 -
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Just to clarify things, are these the protocols of the alliance known as The Sani Sabik, or of the wider group of Sani Sabik cults?
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori. |
Revan Neferis
Amarr Bloodveil The Sani Sabik
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Posted - 2007.07.10 14:25:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake Just to clarify things, are these the protocols of the alliance known as The Sani Sabik, or of the wider group of Sani Sabik cults?
I only speak of protocols, regarded meetings of The Sani Sabik , under Bloodveil Sovereignity.
I'm sure Omir Sarikusa as other diverse practices have their own protocols.
"One must still have chaos in oneself to give birth to a dancing Star"
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Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2007.07.10 14:30:00 -
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Edited by: Rodj Blake on 10/07/2007 14:30:48
Originally by: Revan Neferis
I only speak of protocols, regarded meetings of The Sani Sabik , under Bloodveil Sovereignity.
I'm sure Omir Sarikusa as other diverse practices have their own protocols.
And how do these protocols differ from your various other apocryphal texts?
If they differ in their doctrines, which one is considered the more important?
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori. |
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Revan Neferis
Amarr Bloodveil The Sani Sabik
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Posted - 2007.07.10 15:27:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake
And how do these protocols differ from your various other apocryphal texts?
Protocols are minutes of meetings. what does it have to do with Apocryphal texts?
Originally by: Rodj Blake If they differ in their doctrines, which one is considered the more important?
Again, the question above. It's like if I ask you what is more important, your amarr scriptures or one of your archiebishop's sermons. does i make any sense?
"One must still have chaos in oneself to give birth to a dancing Star"
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Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2007.07.10 15:35:00 -
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Originally by: Revan Neferis
Protocols are minutes of meetings. what does it have to do with Apocryphal texts?
Protocols are simply the minutes of meetings? Your original posts do not look like minutes to me. Protocol has several definitions, and your own protocols look more like the first one below to me.
1. the customs and regulations dealing with diplomatic formality, precedence, and etiquette. 2. an original draft, minute, or record from which a document, esp. a treaty, is prepared. 3. a supplementary international agreement. 4. an agreement between states. 5. an annex to a treaty giving data relating to it.
Now that we've got around your semantic sleight of hand, perhaps you would care to answer the question - how do these protocols differ from the protocols outlined in your other apocryphal texts, and in the event of a difference, which text is considered the more important one?
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori. |
Revan Neferis
Amarr Bloodveil The Sani Sabik
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Posted - 2007.07.10 15:54:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake Edited by: Rodj Blake on 10/07/2007 15:34:59
Protocols are simply the minutes of meetings? Your original posts do not look like minutes to me. Protocol has several definitions, and your own protocols look more like the first one below to me.
Minutes of meeting. I don't care how you "define inside PIE" your "Protocols"
It is, what it is, who cares how does it look for you?
Originally by: Rodj Blake Now that we've got around your semantic sleight of hand
No, you didn't make any coherence whatsoever
Originally by: Rodj Blake perhaps you would care to answer the question
Perhaps not. But I will because I'm in a good mood.
Originally by: Rodj Blake
- how do these protocols differ from the protocols outlined in your other apocryphal texts, and in the event of a difference, which text is considered the more important one?
Minutes of meeting are not religious sacred texts therefore, your question is incoherent.
"One must still have chaos in oneself to give birth to a dancing Star"
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Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2007.07.10 16:02:00 -
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Edited by: Rodj Blake on 10/07/2007 16:03:19
Again, you seem to be avoiding what is a sensible question.
Maybe you didn't understand it.
Never mind, I'm sure that we will be returning to it later.
In the meantime, I'm pleased to see that you are willing to enter into academic discussion regarding the minutes of the meetings that you appear to have had with yourself.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori. |
MMata Hari
Gallente Moulin Rouge
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Posted - 2007.07.10 16:18:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake Edited by: Rodj Blake on 10/07/2007 16:03:19
Again, you seem to be avoiding what is a sensible question.
Maybe you didn't understand it.
Never mind, I'm sure that we will be returning to it later.
In the meantime, I'm pleased to see that you are willing to enter into academic discussion regarding the minutes of the meetings that you appear to have had with yourself.
Herself and 72 guests during 2 days. Event the Moulin Rouge had the pleasure to host just a few days ago. Sleepless nights for our staff. I don't know about your case but with this commentary you were way out.
Moulin Rouge is recruiting! Be part of the show! |
Revan Neferis
Amarr Bloodveil The Sani Sabik
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Posted - 2007.07.10 16:22:00 -
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Although the intention is appreciated, please refrain to comment details of my events host at your club. This is under the terms of contract we did.
Let Rodj think whatever he wishes. As long as he keeps his images of me speaking with myself, he is not beeing an annoyance to me or any guests.
"One must still have chaos in oneself to give birth to a dancing Star"
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Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2007.07.10 16:25:00 -
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Originally by: MMata Hari
Originally by: Rodj Blake Edited by: Rodj Blake on 10/07/2007 16:03:19
Again, you seem to be avoiding what is a sensible question.
Maybe you didn't understand it.
Never mind, I'm sure that we will be returning to it later.
In the meantime, I'm pleased to see that you are willing to enter into academic discussion regarding the minutes of the meetings that you appear to have had with yourself.
Herself and 72 guests during 2 days. Event the Moulin Rouge had the pleasure to host just a few days ago. Sleepless nights for our staff. I don't know about your case but with this commentary you were way out.
My point was that in normal business practise, minutes normally include the agenda and a list of attendees. They also include details of the discussion.
Revan's protocols have none of those things.
Hence, what she has produced here is a policy document as described in the first definition of protocol that I mentioned earlier rather than the minutes of a meeting.
Of course, if these are the minutes of a meeting, the lack of auditable detail merely indicates that Revan's approach to running business gatherings is as effective as her approach to organising military expeditions.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori. |
MMata Hari
Gallente Moulin Rouge
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Posted - 2007.07.10 16:29:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake
Originally by: MMata Hari
Originally by: Rodj Blake Edited by: Rodj Blake on 10/07/2007 16:03:19
Again, you seem to be avoiding what is a sensible question.
Maybe you didn't understand it.
Never mind, I'm sure that we will be returning to it later.
In the meantime, I'm pleased to see that you are willing to enter into academic discussion regarding the minutes of the meetings that you appear to have had with yourself.
Herself and 72 guests during 2 days. Event the Moulin Rouge had the pleasure to host just a few days ago. Sleepless nights for our staff. I don't know about your case but with this commentary you were way out.
My point was that in normal business practise, minutes normally include the agenda and a list of attendees. They also include details of the discussion.
Revan's protocols have none of those things.
Hence, what she has produced here is a policy document as described in the first definition of protocol that I mentioned earlier rather than the minutes of a meeting.
Of course, if these are the minutes of a meeting, the lack of auditable detail merely indicates that Revan's approach to running business gatherings is as effective as her approach to organising military expeditions.
I have nothing to do with this but I think Revan is right. You are an annoyance.
And my apologies Revan, I merely tried to say that we had a lot of work and dedication to that event and it should not be discredited with a lie by someone that clearly shows just a desire to oppose whatever you write whitout any other consideration.
Moulin Rouge is recruiting! Be part of the show! |
Revan Neferis
Amarr Bloodveil The Sani Sabik
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Posted - 2007.07.10 16:33:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake My point was that in normal business practise...blah blah
As if I'd ever be interested about anything "normal" you commoner. Let our wallets alone decide the effectiveness of it. Now You're free to return to your Amarr agent whoring, for more lessons of "normal" business practices.
"One must still have chaos in oneself to give birth to a dancing Star"
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Casserina Leshrac
Amarr Bloodveil The Sani Sabik
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Posted - 2007.07.10 17:21:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake
Originally by: MMata Hari
Originally by: Rodj Blake Edited by: Rodj Blake on 10/07/2007 16:03:19
Again, you seem to be avoiding what is a sensible question.
Maybe you didn't understand it.
Never mind, I'm sure that we will be returning to it later.
In the meantime, I'm pleased to see that you are willing to enter into academic discussion regarding the minutes of the meetings that you appear to have had with yourself.
Herself and 72 guests during 2 days. Event the Moulin Rouge had the pleasure to host just a few days ago. Sleepless nights for our staff. I don't know about your case but with this commentary you were way out.
My point was that in normal business practise, minutes normally include the agenda and a list of attendees. They also include details of the discussion.
Revan's protocols have none of those things.
Hence, what she has produced here is a policy document as described in the first definition of protocol that I mentioned earlier rather than the minutes of a meeting.
Of course, if these are the minutes of a meeting, the lack of auditable detail merely indicates that Revan's approach to running business gatherings is as effective as her approach to organising military expeditions.
I am curious Rodj, you seem to be nit picking at petty details of business meetings.
I take it that cabin fever has finally set in, (disgraceful) and you do know that Star Fraction has left Empire space so that you can come out of your space docks again.
It is quite obvious that the Sani Sabik Alliance has nothing to hide from the likes of you. However, I have yet to see anything of business or battle report nature. Still covering up your own embarrassments I see.
Casserina Sani Sabik Illuminatus From the Darkness I sow the seeds of Chaos. |
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Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2007.07.10 17:29:00 -
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I see that once again The Sani Sabik alliance's response to a serious point is a stream of insults.
As for the details of any of my business meetings or future plans, I've always believed in keeping confidential matters just that - confidential.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori. |
Hooch Flux
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.07.10 17:43:00 -
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Originally by: Revan Neferis Edited by: Revan Neferis on 10/07/2007 13:20:34
Originally by: Hooch Flux Ergo, practise what you preach!
Originally by: Revan Neferis Exactly the reason why I'm the Sani Sabik Sovereign
With that information and .90isk you could buy yourself a bottle of Quafe!
Originally by: Revan Neferis and you are just another floating name at space.
Your absolutly right, but arn't we all! I guess i'm just not as insecure as some and I do not need to inflate my ego!
Originally by: Revan Neferis Talk about the protocols if you have any mental capability to read and send the personal attacks to my fan club.
Fan club/Hate club, doesn't matter to me! The only reason I even comment is for entertainment purposes, It's sort of like heckling a really bad clown or comedian!
Originally by: Revan Neferis I read and autograph all letters directed to me, when I find time.
I appreciate with as much mail as you get that if you were to autograph everyone there would never be a lack of toilet paper in the Cluster!
I say prep for dustoff, nuke the site from orbit...
Only way to be sure! |
Casserina Leshrac
Amarr Bloodveil The Sani Sabik
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Posted - 2007.07.10 20:59:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake I see that once again The Sani Sabik alliance's response to a serious point is a stream of insults.
As for the details of any of my business meetings or future plans, I've always believed in keeping confidential matters just that - confidential.
And why do you see fit to comment on our business practices? Your comments and remarks are certainly not constructive to the goals of the Sani Sabik.
Not that you would provide helpful criticism in this particular matter.
However, I look forward to the time when I can have constructive debate with the membership of PIE.
Casserina Sani Sabik Illuminatus From the Darkness I sow the seeds of Chaos. |
Eric Lupanasia
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Posted - 2007.07.10 21:04:00 -
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From the desk of Eric Lupanasia:
Originally by: Revan Neferis Exactly the reason why I'm the Sani Sabik Sovereign and you are just another floating name at space.
That and 3,000 isk will get you a lap dance at the nearest pleasure hub where I'm from. I'm afraid, Ms. Neferis, that your little "manifesto" is no different than those followed by countless other would-be dictators throughout the span of human history. How many of them are now in absolute control of all known space? -------------------
"There can be good done while profiting." |
Revan Neferis
Amarr Bloodveil The Sani Sabik
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Posted - 2007.07.10 21:42:00 -
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Originally by: Eric Lupanasia That and 3,000 isk will get you a lap dance at the nearest pleasure hub where I'm from.
I'm thrilled with the knowledge dear commoner. You must be such a fortunate boy ...
"One must still have chaos in oneself to give birth to a dancing Star"
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Kallanagh Tellen
Amarr Epitoth Fleetyards Vigilia Valeria
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Posted - 2007.07.10 22:21:00 -
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I guess the Jove won then.
Battle report when your ready, there's a good girl.
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Casserina Leshrac
Amarr Bloodveil The Sani Sabik
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Posted - 2007.07.11 04:34:00 -
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Originally by: Kallanagh Tellen I guess the Jove won then.
Battle report when your ready, there's a good girl.
Aren't you a little lost? This is not the thread for taking Val'Atioth.
I seem to recall that there is channel open for that subject perhaps you join it instead.
Now do you have something relevant to subject at hand, or am I looking at another display of impotent Loyalist prattle?
Casserina Sani Sabik Illuminatus From the Darkness I sow the seeds of Chaos. |
Rakiro
Gallente Two Brothers Mining Corp. The Sundering
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Posted - 2007.07.11 16:11:00 -
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That must have been a deeply thoughtful meeting... Your minutes read like somesort of sermon.
On that note, a quick question for you: are you running a business or a religeon here?
-Rakiro |
Casserina Leshrac
Amarr Bloodveil The Sani Sabik
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Posted - 2007.07.11 17:19:00 -
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Originally by: Rakiro That must have been a deeply thoughtful meeting... Your minutes read like somesort of sermon.
On that note, a quick question for you: are you running a business or a religeon here?
Bloodveil is a corp whose members are of the Sani Sabik Faith. There is no defining line of where the corp ends and the religion begins.
Casserina Sani Sabik Illuminatus From the Darkness I sow the seeds of Chaos. |
Revan Neferis
Amarr Bloodveil The Sani Sabik
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Posted - 2007.07.11 18:34:00 -
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Originally by: Rakiro That must have been a deeply thoughtful meeting... Your minutes read like somesort of sermon.
On that note, a quick question for you: are you running a business or a religeon here?
Not even one breath comes out of m mouth that is not a business for me. Religion, politics, military, no matter what.
"One must still have chaos in oneself to give birth to a dancing Star"
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