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maCH'EttE
Veto. Academy
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Posted - 2007.07.10 20:59:00 -
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Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't see any point to the Cerberus, at all, when you have the Eagle.
They both have identical Slot layouts and almost identical bonuses. The Eagle has better fitting, can manage a better tank and do more damage than the Cerberus (unless the Cerb is spamming Kinetic missiles, possibly, I haven't worked it out.
The one, single advantage that the Cerb has over the Eagle, is a slightly higher max speed. Honestly, I'm trying to understand the reason anyone would pilot a Cerb over an Eagle (unless they can't use Hybrids). Could someone explain?
 Originally by: Devil Hanzo (ISD)
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xHalcyonx
Amarr
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Koroshiya Buntai
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Posted - 2007.07.10 21:05:00 -
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Edited by: xHalcyonx on 10/07/2007 21:04:26
It's for when you get bored of running Lvl 4 missions in your Drake and Raven and want something new.
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LMAAAOOOO
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Posted - 2007.07.10 21:06:00 -
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You can say, why would some one fly the Eagle if the Deimios is around?
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Posted - 2007.07.10 21:06:00 -
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Cerb can pick its damage type more easily and is faster.....oh and the eagle is fugly!
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DRMALIKIA
United Technologies
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Posted - 2007.07.10 21:13:00 -
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Personally it depends on your fighting style. Caldari by design are missile spewers. You go pew pew, I go spew spew.
For someone that specialized in missiles, I love the Cerberus. It's a rails/hybrid vs missiles preference. As we all know Caldari aren't the end all PVP ships but, we sure do make for some awesome back up in a pinch.
I sure as heck won't go solo pvping in my Cerberus but, give me a tackler and a bit of range to target, look out girly man.
When you compare the two Caldari "Combat" cruiser platforms look at their T1 base versions.
MOA = H6 M4 L4
Caracal = H5 M5 L2
EAGLE = H6 M5 L4
Cerberus = H6 M5 L4
Yes they are similar. I whole heartedly agree to their similarities. But again, you shoot rails/hybrids, I shoot missiles. My point of view just get ride of the Eagle, I don't use it. What good is a ship I don't use? lol
I rest my case.
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maCH'EttE
Veto. Academy
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Posted - 2007.07.10 21:16:00 -
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Edited by: maCH''EttE on 10/07/2007 21:18:22
Originally by: LMAAAOOOO
You can say, why would some one fly the Eagle if the Deimios is around?
Well, no... Not really. Some people choose to specialise in their race. What you're talking about is completely different to what I'm asking.
For example, within the races, each class of ship offers different vessels which do different jobs. Take Gallente, as you mentioned - The Deimos is a fast assault, close range, heavy damage platform, while the Ishtar is longer range, usually heavier tank and lower damage. Different roles, different approaches for combat. The Cerb, however, is worse than it's counterpart in pretty much every way and fills an almost identical role.
Originally by: Devil Hanzo (ISD)
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Mofel
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Posted - 2007.07.10 21:18:00 -
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The Eagle has better fitting, can manage a better tank and do more damage than the Cerberus
How did you get this conclusion? I would like to know your missile skills and fittings.
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n0thing
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Posted - 2007.07.10 21:22:00 -
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Edited by: n0thing on 10/07/2007 21:21:34
Cerberus supposed to be closer range, while Eagle is BS ranged cruiser. Closer range Eagle certainly cant beat Cerberus imo.
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maCH'EttE
Veto. Academy
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Posted - 2007.07.10 21:25:00 -
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Originally by: Mofel
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The Eagle has better fitting, can manage a better tank and do more damage than the Cerberus
How did you get this conclusion? I would like to know your missile skills and fittings.
Well, I based it on the fact that the Eagle can fit 6 weapons, while the Cerb fits 5. Yes, the Cerb has a damage bonus, but only to Kinetic (as I said, the Cerb probably does better damage while firing Kinetic). The Eagle has more fitting points and to fit the same mid slot tank on the Cerb, an Engineering Rig is required, while the Eagle is free to fit a second Shield Rig.
As I say, if I'm missing something, please tell me. So far, I still don't see the point of the Cerb (although I'll probably still get both).
Originally by: Devil Hanzo (ISD)
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bldyannoyed
Dark Centuri Inc.
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.07.10 21:32:00 -
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You have completely missed the point.
An Eagle doesnt outdamage a Cerberus unless its fitting Neutron Blasters and 3 Magstab II's.
A Cerb in fact has TWO damage bonuses, it having 5% Kinetic and 5% RoF, and the far easier fittings on launchers compared to Railguns/Blasters means the Eagles seemingly better fitting stats actually arent.
And not forget that the Cerb is a missile spamming beasty while the Eagle is almost specifically designed to kill support ( inties, af's, pods etc ) at 200km.
TBH, the 2 ships couldnt be more different.
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Corwain
Gallente
Kamite
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Posted - 2007.07.10 21:44:00 -
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Rails don't hit when you're traveling 3km/s. I'll let you figure out the rest...
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Ryysa
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.07.10 21:52:00 -
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Originally by: Corwain
Rails don't hit when you're traveling 3km/s. I'll let you figure out the rest...
Eagle will easily hit an interceptor 200km away, which is travelling 3km/s.
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Evelyn Daseen
Viziam
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Posted - 2007.07.10 22:01:00 -
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Advantages of cerb:
No split weapontypes
2 dmg bonii
Missil advantages (always hit)
Better dmg (see 1)
easier to fit
Versatile (dmg types, even with close range fitting it can hit long range (hams to 120 km with javs)
As a general purpose hac the cerb is best. Eagles are very very specialised in long range antisupport.
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Rylet VanDorn
Pastafarians
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Posted - 2007.07.10 22:13:00 -
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Edited by: Rylet VanDorn on 10/07/2007 22:13:19
I'd say the main point is that the Cerb is a missile boat whereas the Eagle is a gun boat. As such you sacrifice dps for versatility.
When range is in question or otherwise cannot be dictated by the pilot, it will function better than the Eagle since it can hit anything within it's targeting range (120km or so without sensor booster) with heavy missiles.
The Caldari Heavy Assault ships are truly the best example in contrast between Missiles vs Guns. Versatility vs Power.
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Kirex
Gallente
Vale Heavy Industries
Molotov Coalition
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Posted - 2007.07.10 22:21:00 -
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Cerb: Missle spewer
Eagle: Sniper (although people sometimes fit blasters)
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Warrio
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2007.07.10 22:24:00 -
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Edited by: Warrio on 10/07/2007 22:24:44
Originally by: maCH'EttE
The Cerb, however, is worse than it's counterpart in pretty much every way and fills an almost identical role.
Cerb can deal more EM and Explosive damage than the Eagle.
Cerb is FAR less suceptable to tracking disruptors.
Cerb is faster.
Cerb is better for pure missile users. (Obviously)
Cerb is auguably a better EW platform given that its weapons don't use cap and the more sensor damps you can run the better you'll fair if range is your thing. :-)
Also, the range of the cerb is certainly nothing shabby and for, I'd say 95% of pvp engagements where one might bring a Caldari HAC both of them would be fighting well inside their optimal AND the Cerbs damage doesn't need to vary with range.
Not every way.
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Posted - 2007.07.10 23:09:00 -
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Cerb can fit 5 quadruple-bonus missiles (2 for range 2 for damage) + 1 nos/something.
Eagle can fit 4 triple bonus turrets (2 for range 1 for damage) + 2 unbonused missiles/nos/something.
It's not as clear cut as it seems. I am gun-specced and as such I have not attempted to use a cerb yet, but at least on paper it seems it must be a better missile platform than the eagle is a gun platform, if only because of the fact that it has 5 bonused weapons instead of 4.
But, since not terribly many caldaris are both gun and missile specced, it seems to me that for most Caldaris there is not much of a choice, they fly that in whose weapons they are specialised.
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Orion Rose
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Posted - 2007.07.10 23:26:00 -
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Regarding the Cerb, as I've recently started flying one, is a target painter worth the space in the mids or not? I usually use t1 ammo in tech 2 heavy launchers. I really haven't fiddled with the heavy assault launchers yet. If relevant, all missles support skills are at 4 or better.
Typical setup
5 t2 heavy launchers
e50 nos (admittedly rarely used)
T2 med booster (not nearly rich enough for a low cap faction one)
1 active hardener (mission specific)
1 passive (Ditto)
T2 Large extender
T2 painter
2 t2 BCU
2 PDU 2
I rarely have trouble, but some missions are really untankable such as the 3rd stage in gurista extrav. So any advice would be nice. Thank you.
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Fluffernator
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Posted - 2007.07.11 00:26:00 -
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I believe the cerb outdamages the eagle at range, but the eagle has a MUCH MUCH greater range. Also the cerb does not do as good a job sniping tacklers off on approach as an eagle does. An eagle 200-250km away will take multiple inties to tackle becuase it will force them to warp off in a couple vollies each.
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