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Warrio Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2007.07.10 22:58:00 - [1] I've been playing Eve for about 18 months now and ever since I started I have accepted that Jita is basically the trade hub and official lag pit of the Eve galaxy. Until now though I have not considered why. Was Jita always the most busy system? If not when did it become so and why? I know that people will always congregate to trade but why did they choose Jita specifically, why not Isikemi or Tew or Tash-Murkon Prime? Can anyone tell me the tale of the glorious history of old Jita town? Sig removed due to being too freaking awsome. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Deckard Cain
LogixCraft Gallente Insidious Existence Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.07.10 22:58:00 - [2] Mission agents.
Charlie Crocodile Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.07.10 23:03:00 - [3] Previous to Jita the trade hub was Yulai until CCP removed some jumps. I think it was removed in the RMR expansion. CC
Del Narveux Obsidian Angels Enterprises	Posted - 2007.07.10 23:06:00 - [4] Okay heres what happened, more or less. Loads of people are Caldari, theyre the most frequent race selection, based on your character pic you probably agree. Now several years ago it was much easier to travel between empires along a 'highway' that went by a system called Yulai, where Concord has a really awesome looking station and stuff. Yulai became the central trade hub for everyone in all empires, cause you could get there from anywhere in about 6 jumps. But then CCP nerfed the highway to reduce lag and make the empires seem more separate, and people needed a new trade uberhub for getting the best buys and guaranteed fast sells. Jita has always been populated due to having a lot of stations and agents and stuff, so it just sort of evolved into the new center of the economy. _________________ [SAK] Alumnus--And Proud Of It! -- aka Cpt Bogus Is that my torped sig cloaking your base? Originally by: Wrangler Well, at least we have forum PvP..
Tarminic Black Flame Industries	Posted - 2007.07.10 23:09:00 - [5] Originally by: LogixCraft Mission agents. Are their actually people who do missions in Jita? ------------ LAG - Hopefully teen-appropriate now. IBTL! IBDS/DC! IBTC! 1st in a BoB post! And other such forum tom-foolery.
Warrio Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2007.07.10 23:15:00 - [6] Originally by: Del Narveux Okay heres what happened, more or less. Loads of people are Caldari, theyre the most frequent race selection, based on your character pic you probably agree. Now several years ago it was much easier to travel between empires along a 'highway' that went by a system called Yulai, where Concord has a really awesome looking station and stuff. Yulai became the central trade hub for everyone in all empires, cause you could get there from anywhere in about 6 jumps. But then CCP nerfed the highway to reduce lag and make the empires seem more separate, and people needed a new trade uberhub for getting the best buys and guaranteed fast sells. Jita has always been populated due to having a lot of stations and agents and stuff, so it just sort of evolved into the new center of the economy. Excelent, thanks. Yeah, I understand the Caldari choice for most people. When I had no idea what Eve was and a mate told me to signup and create a character I thought they looked like an edgy and cool race too. Sig removed due to being too freaking awsome. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Deckard Cain
DubanFP Caldari Four Rings D-L	Posted - 2007.07.10 23:20:00 - [7] Edited by: DubanFP on 10/07/2007 23:20:31 Originally by: Tarminic Originally by: LogixCraft Mission agents. Are their actually people who do missions in Jita? Not anymore, that's just how it started. I mean the lag wasn't always as bad as it is now. People congregated there because of mission running and it was a relatively centered location in Caldari space. Slowly it became THE place for trade in EVE, and eventually became the super-capital for trade since it's the biggest trade center in the most popular race's domain. For a while it was only 1 jump away from the State War Academy "Caldari Warrior starting location" until they removed the Kisogo <--> Jita jumpgate. Which was obviously the most popular starting location in EVE. ________________ DubanFP> Feigning "honor" is just a way to get the other guy to screw himself over, hopefully to your benefit
Seidr Amarr Icarus' Wings	Posted - 2007.07.10 23:31:00 - [8] My mind struggles to recall, but back in 'the day', Yulai was insane. As mentioned, CCP made a few changes and shifted the balance to Jita.
Sh'ger	Posted - 2007.07.10 23:53:00 - [9] It doesn't really matter what happens in the future - whether it's Yulai or Jita or whatever comes next - the next trade hub will come - whatever ccp does won't help. It's a natural thing that happens with hyper-capitalism - people are lazy and like to maximize profits.
MotoTsume Gallente Clan Black Scorpion	Posted - 2007.07.11 00:21:00 - [10] Rens and Amarr are allready becoming quite good trade hubs. It's just a game........Or is it?????
Manic Smile Tau Ceti Global Production Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.07.11 04:45:00 - [11] Originally by: Sh'ger It doesn't really matter what happens in the future - whether it's Yulai or Jita or whatever comes next - the next trade hub will come - whatever ccp does won't help. It's a natural thing that happens with hyper-capitalism - people are lazy and like to maximize profits. It's because you can't just tell people Jita is caused by you. Moving stuff around won't fix the problem. CCP needs to add incentives to buy/selling in sepecially reforced node dedicated to one system with nothing but a huge market and no mission hubs near buy. I mean really how hard is it to make a system in the middle of each region with it's own node and a single station with some kind of benefit to sellers, maybe less tax or more complex selling options, and buyers will come. *courtesy of www.flickr.com I hate the jpeg format.
LaVista Vista Red Army Inc	Posted - 2007.07.11 05:20:00 - [12] Afaik it happend largely do to the fact that people like FinFleet, who owns a massive amount of T2 bpo's, sold all their goods there.
Android Mindslave Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2007.07.11 05:21:00 - [13] Originally by: Manic Smile Originally by: Sh'ger It doesn't really matter what happens in the future - whether it's Yulai or Jita or whatever comes next - the next trade hub will come - whatever ccp does won't help. It's a natural thing that happens with hyper-capitalism - people are lazy and like to maximize profits. It's because you can't just tell people Jita is caused by you. Moving stuff around won't fix the problem. CCP needs to add incentives to buy/selling in sepecially reforced node dedicated to one system with nothing but a huge market and no mission hubs near buy. I mean really how hard is it to make a system in the middle of each region with it's own node and a single station with some kind of benefit to sellers, maybe less tax or more complex selling options, and buyers will come. Jita is already has an entire node all to itself. The Jita 4-4 Naval Assembly plant is basically the super station that takes in the vast majority of Jita's traffic. Rens, Amarr, and Ours are basically the trade hubs for the other regions. Their not as big as Jita, but their fairly still pretty big. Personally, I like Jita. It is like New York city, the economic center of everywhere, wall to wall people, traffic jams and crazy people shouting things. You even have muggers.
F'nog Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp. Valainaloce	Posted - 2007.07.11 05:30:00 - [14] Originally by: Manic Smile Originally by: Sh'ger It doesn't really matter what happens in the future - whether it's Yulai or Jita or whatever comes next - the next trade hub will come - whatever ccp does won't help. It's a natural thing that happens with hyper-capitalism - people are lazy and like to maximize profits. It's because you can't just tell people Jita is caused by you. Moving stuff around won't fix the problem. CCP needs to add incentives to buy/selling in sepecially reforced node dedicated to one system with nothing but a huge market and no mission hubs near buy. I mean really how hard is it to make a system in the middle of each region with it's own node and a single station with some kind of benefit to sellers, maybe less tax or more complex selling options, and buyers will come. No, CCP needs to make disincentives to forming mega-hubs, like sales tax based on transactions/day, or ISK traded/day. I'm all for hubs, but the only way to force people out of Jita is to make it less attractive to them. There's already plenty of places that are more attractive than others in Eve, but people don't flock there. They're comfortable with where they hang out. If they're made uncomfortable, then people will leave. Sadly, the other way doesn't work. I used to get It. Then It changed. Now I don't even know what It is.
Brolie Sarcastrophic Industries	Posted - 2007.07.11 06:23:00 - [15] Jita was still huge, even before Yulai.
Hornymatt	Posted - 2007.07.11 07:30:00 - [16] It's all a bit foggy now but iirc the highway route before CCP split it went from Luminaire to Yulai to Amarr in consecutive jumps. Pretty certain it was those three as I used to be based in Lum, but I stand to be corrected. I never heard of Jita until after a number of highway revamps but then I'm not Caldari. One other reason for Caldari race being so polular I'm sure was the ability of Kestrels to fit cruise missiles, they made an awesome disposable gankmobiles and were often seen with attendant haulers at major gates
DJ P	Posted - 2007.07.11 07:57:00 - [17] The problem with Jita is the damn lag because of the hundreds of macroers there. If CCP want to improve Jita should strip all the belts and remove all L1 and L2 agents. They will move along. How many times we undock in Jita, to find a dozen of barges hitting each other outside the station not be able to aling? How this thing can happen for hours???? People aren't there to change direction or log out to get unstuck? NO. They are macroers, sitting there until next dt. A GM can start banning them by the hundread even right now. But they are still customers....... Personaly as sensible player I'm using other regions for sales & purchases. It's not that difficult. Keep in mind also that Jita isn't the cheapest place either. There are regions & systems with lower prices in up to 90% of the goods. And you can hire offices for 10k per month. Not 20m. Imho, Caldari State should move in and start to taxing this system at 300% more than the other regions. :))
Mithfindel Amarr Ordo Crucis Argenteus	Posted - 2007.07.11 08:21:00 - [18] If my memory serves right, when I came to the game c. a year ago, Jita wasn't as big as it is now compared to the other regional hubs (Oursulaert, Rens, Amarr). Haven't heard much talk about Oursulaert of late, but Amarr's been growing nice and slow in the shadows, together with Penirgman (lots of industrial stations) and Chaven (Amarr military start location) which are both two jumps away.
Steini OFSI Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2007.07.11 08:35:00 - [19] If I was a smart station owner in Jita I would charge more for my services as it is @ a such popular place. Yulai was the trade hub before the empire highways were removed.
Aioa Planetary Assault Systems	Posted - 2007.07.11 08:48:00 - [20] Originally by: DubanFP Edited by: DubanFP on 10/07/2007 23:20:31 Originally by: Tarminic Originally by: LogixCraft Mission agents. Are their actually people who do missions in Jita? Not anymore, that's just how it started. Well, unless I'm missing something, there are currently 17 agents in Jita. Most are lvl 1 or 2 so its quite possible that newbs who dont know about Jita and lag are doing agent missions there. I can't imagine why CCP hasnt removed them
Jennai The Silent Rage R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.07.11 09:25:00 - [21] Originally by: DJ P The problem with Jita is the damn lag because of the hundreds of macroers there. If CCP want to improve Jita should strip all the belts and remove all L1 and L2 agents. They will move along. they already did that months ago
Aioa Planetary Assault Systems	Posted - 2007.07.11 09:31:00 - [22] I still see agents there - are they disabled or something? What am I missing?
Jennai The Silent Rage R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.07.11 09:36:00 - [23] Originally by: Aioa I still see agents there - are they disabled or something? What am I missing? no, they still work. I saw a 10-day-old character in one of my channels yesterday asking some questions about wrecks and missions, and it turned out he was trying to do level 1 missions in Jita and died to lag. there really shouldn't be any agents in there because it's unplayable more often than not.
Lord WarATron Amarr Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.07.11 09:51:00 - [24] Basically - back in those days, most people used named loot insted of t2, and jita, having a good caldari lvl4 navy agent, and most people being caldari (caldari was first choice in char selction, had a decent description and also decent char pic, so a combination of these reasons made them top choice) it resulted in jita 4-4 being place to sell loot by the ton. This evolved into a superhub with the death of Yulai. It remained a superhub, since it is sometiems quicker for people to send a alt to a superhub to buy all needed items and haul it back, rather than jump from station to station buying 1 item at a time. Jita had its lvl4 agent moved, and all Jita belts are removed to help reduce lag. Also, in the future, there will be less need for a superhub due to Interbus Delivery - buy something in a constalation, and interbus will auto-deliver it to your station of coice. -- Billion Isk Mission
Leandro Salazar The Blackguard Wolves	Posted - 2007.07.11 09:53:00 - [25] Iirc I joined EVE shortly after the change to the trade routes that killed the Yulai market. Jita was in its infancy back then, I did not notice any special lag there, not a terribly high amount of people (Sobaseki had similar numbers). What I (as Caldari n00b) DID notice is that almost every route that I traveled, either sent on a mission by an agent or to buy/sell some equipment, sent me through Jita. And there is also Sobaseki/Muvolailen being only one jump away to check prices in Lonetrek/Citadel. These things quickly coerced me to sell all my stuff in Jita, and I am fairly certain that I was not the only one. I didn't even know or care about other regions also being within striking distance. So as far as I can tell, the main reason Jita evolved into the main hub is its favorable location in Caldari space, and everyone and their dog being Caldari. There is no 'n' in turret There is no 'r' in faction There is no 'a' in Scorpion There is no 'e' in Caldari There is no makeup in rogue drones
Aioa Planetary Assault Systems	Posted - 2007.07.11 09:55:00 - [26] Originally by: Jennai there really shouldn't be any agents in there because it's unplayable more often than not. Agreed totally. Its such a quick (partial) fix I don't understand why it wasn't done a year ago
Jennai The Silent Rage R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.07.11 10:10:00 - [27] Edited by: Jennai on 11/07/2007 10:10:51 Originally by: Leandro Salazar Iirc I joined EVE shortly after the change to the trade routes that killed the Yulai market. Jita was in its infancy back then, I did not notice any special lag there, not a terribly high amount of people (Sobaseki had similar numbers). I found some old spreadsheets from a pre-Yulai-nerf production corp. Jita, at that point, was only a minor mission hub, and we only expanded to there after we'd established a market in seven other systems. revenues from the last week that I have data for, a few months before highway nerf: Yulai 493m Nonni 348m Tash-Murkon Prime 290m Amarr 259m Rens 169m Luminaire 164m Agil 137m Jita 93m the highway nerf put Jita in a more or less central location, but I remember a lot of debate over which system would become the new Yulai. Rens and Pator were mentioned a lot because of their location, but Jita won out in the end because there's so many Caldari.
Deacon Ix Ascendant Strategies Inc. The Volition Cult	Posted - 2007.07.11 10:22:00 - [28] Originally by: Android Mindslave Rens, Amarr, and Ours are basically the trade hubs for the other regions. Their not as big as Jita, but their fairly still pretty big. Personally, I like Jita. It is like New York city, the economic center of everywhere, wall to wall people, traffic jams and crazy people shouting things. You even have muggers. /signed I love Jita I do trade at teh other hubs but mostly at Jita Just being able to buy everything you need at a resonable price makes it worthwhile, I don't have an Uber machine and not on a pertucially good connection and never have too much trouble with Lag when I go there - the only slight issue is the pile ups out side of 4-4 but that is not huge a problem - I simply double click and move to an empty space before trying to warp. Originally by: Steini OFSI The most efficient way to get a dev response is to have the word beer somewhere in your thread.
Necronomicon Caldari KIA Corp KIA Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.11 10:57:00 - [29] We used to base out of Niyabainen, we had the T2 producers in system, then a 2 jump hop to Yulai for other stuff, and lots of empire contracts. I never recall Yulai being half as laggy as Jita is now, but then, there is a lot more content in game now with linking items in local chat/isk sellers/spam'o'bots etc, and the game is generally busier. The best thing for Jita would be if CCP want it as a trade hub, then make a trade hub, a huge station with multiple undock points meaning you can randomly undock 100km away from another port. Making it random would completely scupper the Jita suicide gankers and the system would naturally calm down, less ppl would camp and idle outside the station becuase you cannot camp 8-12 different locations around a 100km diamter station, so they would get bored and frustrated and do other stuff instead. Carlsberg dont make Eve Pilots, but if they did, i wouldnt be one of them.
Kharadran Sullath Caldari IntoXication Inc	Posted - 2007.07.11 11:03:00 - [30] They should however add a "Stay out of Jita if possible." to the autopilot options. I hate getting stuck there every time I'm passing through ------ --Don't get saucy with me Bernaise!--

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