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Honestry Dax
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Posted - 2007.07.11 20:18:00 -
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I've encounter quite a few people in Eve who seem to be so proud of their kill board stats especially how much Isk they have destroyed.
I wouldn't mind that normally, i was on a kill board when i played first person shooters. But it doesn't make sense on eve. There is no way to tell how much damage is dealt by you or how big of a role in a gang. I've seen first hand a bunch of corp members keeping ship lock down so they could invite as many people as people into the gang so they can get in on the kill mail. This is ridiculous, how can one be proud and boast about how much they have kill when half the time you are in a gang of 20 killing a single tech 1 BS and you barely get one shot off. Or you just sneak in in the last second with out doing any of the hard work.
begin the flames?
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Sachin
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Posted - 2007.07.11 20:20:00 -
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can i have your stuff?
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milinkoee
Bastage Incorporated
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Posted - 2007.07.11 20:21:00 -
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Well I can't speak for others, but I use the KB as compensation for a small *****.
Bastage, Inc.
Worst Pirates Ever!!! |
DarkElf
Veto.
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.07.11 20:21:00 -
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Ok firstly killboards are a great way for senior members of a corp to see how the ranks are doing and identify any areas for improvement.
Also there are many ppl in eve that i meet who claim they 'took on 10 ppl alone' or 'killed a titan solo' etc etc and it's obviously mostly bull so without kb data to back it up you generally get told to sod off.
Most things ppl do they keep records of. KB's area record of eve accomplishments.
DE
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SFShootme
The Carebear Stare
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Posted - 2007.07.11 20:23:00 -
[5]
 Originally by: DarkElf
Ok firstly killboards are a great way for senior members of a corp to see how the ranks are doing and identify any areas for improvement.
Also there are many ppl in eve that i meet who claim they 'took on 10 ppl alone' or 'killed a titan solo' etc etc and it's obviously mostly bull so without kb data to back it up you generally get told to sod off.
Most things ppl do they keep records of. KB's area record of eve accomplishments.
DE
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BobGhengisKhan
Evolution
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.07.11 20:24:00 -
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Before the time of POS's and the ability for Alliances to control 0.0 space the only way to claim space was to show your presence there. And a long time ago there were no in-game killmails so no one ever really knew whether they won or lost a battle. Eventually people created websites to show how many kills they believed they had.
Pretty much they were used to see who had control over a region. A time when K:D ratio actually showed who was the boss.
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Amanda Shadowsword
Caldari
kleptomaniacs
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Posted - 2007.07.11 20:24:00 -
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I like to just pose with my killboard because i'm teh l33t 111111!!!!!!!!!eleventwelvethirteenfourteenonehundredandfive.
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Saint Lazarus
C R Y O
FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.11 20:28:00 -
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I wish I knew =/
Killboard whorin seems to have grown to epic proportions now, and I find the few things people say to defend the use of killboards ie keepin track of their stats as complete BS 99% of the time (espically seein as KB's can be so inaccurate...)
Its e-peen stroking nothing more but it seems EVERYONE and their dog is doing it now so most people go along with it =/
I wont say I NEVER used KB's cause I think I might have posted one or two 
But for the most part I never used them and I never will, no dam need to and I refuse to just because everyone else does 
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Honestry Dax
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Posted - 2007.07.11 20:28:00 -
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Originally by: DarkElf
Ok firstly killboards are a great way for senior members of a corp to see how the ranks are doing and identify any areas for improvement.
Also there are many ppl in eve that i meet who claim they 'took on 10 ppl alone' or 'killed a titan solo' etc etc and it's obviously mostly bull so without kb data to back it up you generally get told to sod off.
Most things ppl do they keep records of. KB's area record of eve accomplishments.
DE
Thats fine if a corp wants to use it in that fashion, or even if the corp wants to boast their skill. I have no problem with, cause it makes sense.
But there is a huge jump in logic when Individuals are really proud of their KB stats when they didn't really do anything. Claiming you killed hundreds of ships when in reality you just tagged along in a hundred gangs, seems strange.
not to mention you can forge your killmail >.> <.<
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Ozzie Asrail
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.07.11 22:34:00 -
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I like my stats on killboards. Ships flown\killed, weapons used, fittigns etc. I also like seeing what my corp has been up to while i been at work or whatever.
Bottom line is who cares, it doesn't affect you what other people think about killboards so why concern yourself?
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Faekurias
Federation Fleet
Endless Horizon
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Posted - 2007.07.11 22:38:00 -
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It's pretty, its interesting, you can see the successrate of you,your corp ,your alliance. And how you fare against those you are at war with, and people who die ALOT can get help from senior members, as DE said.
It's very usefull unless you're in a nubcorp :)
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Gladiator Jonny
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Posted - 2007.07.11 22:43:00 -
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Originally by: milinkoee
Well I can't speak for others, but I use the KB as compensation for a small *****.
cant say its what i use it for but  this made me lol
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darkfuntime
Minmatar
Omega Enterprises
Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2007.07.11 22:47:00 -
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I used to feel the same way dax but now that i use a kb its a good thing.The kb tracks your kills/loses.So when i dinggleberry says to you in local (i have killed you before you can say nope,stay off the *****).It it also cool to be on top from time to time.For real it has many good tools,try it out.
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Curzon Dax
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2007.07.11 22:56:00 -
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Here's my grief.
I've never posted on a killboard. From time to time, when people want to challenge me, I'll get a mail asking for my killboard, or where is my killboard, or what killboard do I use...its incessant.
I think people have gotten too attached to the idea that killing a ship *means* something.
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dragonssbane
Caldari
State War Academy
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Posted - 2007.07.11 22:59:00 -
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Originally by: Honestry Dax
Originally by: DarkElf
Ok firstly killboards are a great way for senior members of a corp to see how the ranks are doing and identify any areas for improvement.
Also there are many ppl in eve that i meet who claim they 'took on 10 ppl alone' or 'killed a titan solo' etc etc and it's obviously mostly bull so without kb data to back it up you generally get told to sod off.
Most things ppl do they keep records of. KB's area record of eve accomplishments.
DE
Thats fine if a corp wants to use it in that fashion, or even if the corp wants to boast their skill. I have no problem with, cause it makes sense.
But there is a huge jump in logic when Individuals are really proud of their KB stats when they didn't really do anything. Claiming you killed hundreds of ships when in reality you just tagged along in a hundred gangs, seems strange.
not to mention you can forge your killmail >.> <.<
Just understand the majority of the population of eve that uses kill boards are pretty straight forward about it. You unfortunately only here about the knottheads that abuse the system.
Plus you can look at someones killboard and can tell very quickily if they are full of *!#$ or not.
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jimmyjam
Turbulent
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Posted - 2007.07.11 23:24:00 -
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Originally by: Honestry Dax
I've encounter quite a few people in Eve who seem to be so proud of their kill board stats especially how much Isk they have destroyed.
I wouldn't mind that normally, i was on a kill board when i played first person shooters. But it doesn't make sense on eve. There is no way to tell how much damage is dealt by you or how big of a role in a gang. I've seen first hand a bunch of corp members keeping ship lock down so they could invite as many people as people into the gang so they can get in on the kill mail. This is ridiculous, how can one be proud and boast about how much they have kill when half the time you are in a gang of 20 killing a single tech 1 BS and you barely get one shot off. Or you just sneak in in the last second with out doing any of the hard work.
begin the flames?
You can begin the hauling process to iges to give me your stuff if you like.
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doctorstupid2
Dirty Deeds Corp.
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2007.07.11 23:29:00 -
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Originally by: Honestry Dax
But there is a huge jump in logic when Individuals are really proud of their KB stats when they didn't really do anything. Claiming you killed hundreds of ships when in reality you just tagged along in a hundred gangs, seems strange.
There's a huge jump in logic that this is true for even a slim majority of eve.
Steel Rat > if they only knew we make this **** up as we go |
hellsknights
Phoenix Navy
Chaos Incarnate.
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Posted - 2007.07.11 23:52:00 -
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Originally by: DarkElf
Ok firstly killboards are a great way for senior members of a corp to see how the ranks are doing and identify any areas for improvement.
Also there are many ppl in eve that i meet who claim they 'took on 10 ppl alone' or 'killed a titan solo' etc etc and it's obviously mostly bull so without kb data to back it up you generally get told to sod off.
Most things ppl do they keep records of. KB's area record of eve accomplishments.
DE
I completely agree with the above statement. My alliance uses our KB for the exact reason above.
Its the easiest way of keeping track of wins and loses.
Not everyone see's the KB a E-PEEN stuff, but some people use it in such a matter.
Anyhow, people with a E-PEEN problem don't need a KB the forums will do....
right Tiller 
Hells
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Dead Manne
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Posted - 2007.07.12 00:06:00 -
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Its just statistics mostly. It comes to habit and then it really buggers, if rats or other ally gets the mail.
Ofcourse there is situations, where you really can say you are "proud" If not invidually, but as a corp.
And if you look those killboards closer you can see who others there were in that kill etc.
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Flinx Evenstar
Minmatar
Spartan Industries
Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2007.07.12 00:07:00 -
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Killboards have many uses.
The obvious is to provide a record of your kills, and participation in battles.
Second it is a useful tool for CEO's to check the activity of their pilots
And third, it is used by many merc corps to provide a summary of damage to their employers. After all they are paying for the damage and want to see it in real terms of ship losses.
Oh yes and fourth...it is good for the e-peen
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Acacia Everto
State War Academy
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Posted - 2007.07.12 00:07:00 -
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I just like to see what others have destroyed while I'm offline
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Flinx Evenstar
Minmatar
Spartan Industries
Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2007.07.12 00:12:00 -
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Originally by: Curzon Dax
Here's my grief.
I've never posted on a killboard. From time to time, when people want to challenge me, I'll get a mail asking for my killboard, or where is my killboard, or what killboard do I use...its incessant.
I think people have gotten too attached to the idea that killing a ship *means* something.
They are asking for your killboard so that they can see what weapons/ships you use.
If you have a loss mail, your mods will be on there and they can fit to kill you. This of course is the downside of KB.
It is very easy to get intel on a target gang from their recent posting. I have used hostile kill mail posting to my advantage many times 
I, erm, like kill things and stuff |
murder one
Gallente
Death of Virtue
FreeFall Securities
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Posted - 2007.07.12 04:13:00 -
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Killboards have a really great use for merc corps/alliances: easy to show a client how effective you are while you're on the job.
BUYING Poteque Pharmaceuticals 'Prospector'
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Kirex
Gallente
Vale Heavy Industries
Molotov Coalition
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Posted - 2007.07.12 04:20:00 -
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Edited by: Kirex on 12/07/2007 04:19:28
Keep a record of hostile ship fittings, how well of a pvper someone is (someone who engages BS in cruisers for example, is better than someone who sits at a gate with 10 people poping shuttles), see how well your corps doing, etc
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Gneeznow
Minmatar
North Eastern Swat
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.07.12 06:15:00 -
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Originally by: DarkElf
Ok firstly killboards are a great way for senior members of a corp to see how the ranks are doing and identify any areas for improvement.
Also there are many ppl in eve that i meet who claim they 'took on 10 ppl alone' or 'killed a titan solo' etc etc and it's obviously mostly bull so without kb data to back it up you generally get told to sod off.
Most things ppl do they keep records of. KB's area record of eve accomplishments.
DE
also gonna quote this coz i agree with it 100%
also our corp killboard is used as a kinda forum to make fun of my excessive losses.
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Skraeling Shortbus
Caldari
Gallente Federal Bank
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Posted - 2007.07.12 06:48:00 -
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for uhh... fun/braggingrights/statistics/cause its cool.
didn't subs keep track of tonnage sunk? GD stat padding German uboats.
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Ridley Tree
The Black Rabbits
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Posted - 2007.07.12 07:17:00 -
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Edited by: Ridley Tree on 12/07/2007 07:17:44
Originally by: SFShootme
Originally by: DarkElf
Ok firstly killboards are a great way for senior members of a corp to see how the ranks are doing and identify any areas for improvement.
Also there are many ppl in eve that i meet who claim they 'took on 10 ppl alone' or 'killed a titan solo' etc etc and it's obviously mostly bull so without kb data to back it up you generally get told to sod off.
Most things ppl do they keep records of. KB's area record of eve accomplishments.
DE
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Veto Posts losses.
Carebear Stare.... hahaha aha ahahahahaha. You guys are the definition of a useless killboard.
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Plave Okice
Naughty 40
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.07.12 08:05:00 -
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I've spent a large part of my eve time flying solo or in very small gangs, in which case I never bothered with killboards as there was no real benefit in doing so.
In an alliance fighting campaigns however it's a very useful tool for alliance leaders to see daily progress, monitor groups of enemies, their usual fittings and more.
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Tony Allizzar
Mortis Angelus
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Posted - 2007.07.12 10:14:00 -
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Kill boards are also a good tool for merc corps. it allows prospective clients to see there kills, and lets existing clients track there bang for buck
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DarkElf
Veto.
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.07.12 10:41:00 -
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Originally by: Tony Allizzar
Kill boards are also a good tool for merc corps. it allows prospective clients to see there kills, and lets existing clients track there bang for buck
Yeah another very good reason.
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sophisticatedlimabean
Gallente
FATAL REVELATIONS
FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.12 10:47:00 -
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Plus you have solo kills and other types that show a fellas willingness to go out alone and gank stuff.
Ive seen ppl with over 120 kills in just a few days and that not by flying a titan DDD or in huge laggy fleet ops just small gang or solo ganks.
Ive taken out a scout 2 hac's and had a gr8 time in a totaly hostile area of 0.0 with my 2 buddys. Coming home safe and sound with loads of nice kills under our belts and plenty of ppl wanting to join us the next time we go out because they have read the KB and want a bit of the action.
I wont lie when i say it does massage the ego when after a week the 3 of us were top of the KB for that week by far and our gang consisted of 2 hac's and a cloaker.
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Damares
1st Special Service Force
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Posted - 2007.07.12 11:06:00 -
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people who fly in blob's arent allowed to qoute kill board stat's for themselves, unless you want to divide their stats by the number of people there are in their gang. its only really useful for looking at overall fleet stats, not individual's, flying in a blob a 2 week old character could have done multiple billions worth of damage for 500k worth of losses. Small consistent gang's and solo player's are allowed to qoute their forum stat's because they earned them.
sometimes you see people claiming hundred's of kills per loss, but if you just take a look you'll see his 20 man gang killed hundred's of solo player's before they all got killed by a bigger blob
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Necronomicon
Caldari
KIA Corp
KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.12 11:17:00 -
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Originally by: Tony Allizzar
Kill boards are also a good tool for merc corps. it allows prospective clients to see there kills, and lets existing clients track there bang for buck
idd, although during a contract, we may be involed in damage that is un-provable (POS kills etc) the KB is where both our current employers, and future clients call to see what our record is for dealing damage on marks.
Any business needs a portfolio, the KB is just that for us.
Carlsberg dont make Eve Pilots, but if they did, i wouldnt be one of them.
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Lore Isander
Caldari
Paisti
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Posted - 2007.07.12 11:19:00 -
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EPEENBOOST!!
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Vyktor Abyss
The Abyss Corporation
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Posted - 2007.07.12 13:07:00 -
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I got mine own kill board a while ago and I'm a carebear and a noob (or so people tell me).
The only interest I really have in my kill board is a quick way to sum my losses over time. It tells me roughly what I can expect to lose if I keep PVPing, and of course acts as an incentive to improve my PVP.
- Ideas are my business...maybe thats why I'm always skint!
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Peter Powers
Serial Killers Inc.
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Posted - 2007.07.12 13:18:00 -
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Originally by: Honestry Dax
But there is a huge jump in logic when Individuals are really proud of their KB stats when they didn't really do anything. Claiming you killed hundreds of ships when in reality you just tagged along in a hundred gangs, seems strange.
So Teamwork doesnt count...?
Originally by: Honestry Dax
not to mention you can forge your killmail >.> <.<
Could you be proud of something you didnt do? - i cant, but im proud of my killboard stats.
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Peter Powers
Serial Killers Inc.
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Posted - 2007.07.12 13:19:00 -
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Originally by: Curzon Dax
Here's my grief.
I've never posted on a killboard. From time to time, when people want to challenge me, I'll get a mail asking for my killboard, or where is my killboard, or what killboard do I use...its incessant.
I think people have gotten too attached to the idea that killing a ship *means* something.
Well maybe cause your way of having fun in this game is diffrent to that of others? and btw, a killboard is a nice way to show off your epeen (learned that word from your songs :)
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Dionisius
Gallente
Ordem dos Templarios
Pax Atlantis
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Posted - 2007.07.12 13:44:00 -
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Edited by: Dionisius on 12/07/2007 13:45:12
Originally by: Vyktor Abyss
I got mine own kill board a while ago and I'm a carebear and a noob (or so people tell me).
The only interest I really have in my kill board is a quick way to sum my losses over time. It tells me roughly what I can expect to lose if I keep PVPing, and of course acts as an incentive to improve my PVP.
U were a pain in the arse when i was in providence and i still want my 2 drones back!!!!!
Edit: I just use the kbs for 2 things, see if am dispensing enough misery on people, see what is used to pop and be poped.
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Originally by: Splagada
Edited by: Splagada on 21/06/2007 13:51:39
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Monti Reagan
Gallente
Black Wolves
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Posted - 2007.07.12 13:56:00 -
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i use the corp kill boards to monitor player progress while at work. I am aware that 50% of the corp doesn't post looses but i do get a little upset if i find out about it.
They have many uses. The main one is to Analise your corps/alliance progression..
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Mitsuko Anari
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Posted - 2007.07.12 13:57:00 -
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It's simple really, a killboard is a way to track a corps or alliances battles.
If the corp runs replacement ships the killboard helps them manage it.
It helps a pvp corp keep track of how active it's members are.
It helps a pvp or merc corp keep track of there progress.
It gives you a welth of stats about battles you have been engaged in, what weapons have been used, what modules have been fitted, what systems are most contested.
For solo players It gives them a way to keep a record of there kills and losses, once again plus the stats involved.
You can learn a hell of a lot from a killboard. Are they blobbing? Small roaming gangs? Players that like to solo? Do they have a T2 sniper fleet? Do they have capital ships? How to they organise the Ewar and tacklers? ect ect ect...
Killboards fill a lot of roles - for me at least waving my epeen around is not one of them. It sure is nice to look back at last year and be reminded of epic fights and old friends 
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THEDON1
Dark-Rising
Fallen Souls
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Posted - 2007.07.12 14:31:00 -
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didnt u know eve was a FPS?
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Karlemgne
The Malevolent
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Posted - 2007.07.12 15:02:00 -
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Originally by: Honestry Dax
I've encounter quite a few people in Eve who seem to be so proud of their kill board stats especially how much Isk they have destroyed.
I wouldn't mind that normally, i was on a kill board when i played first person shooters. But it doesn't make sense on eve. There is no way to tell how much damage is dealt by you or how big of a role in a gang. I've seen first hand a bunch of corp members keeping ship lock down so they could invite as many people as people into the gang so they can get in on the kill mail. This is ridiculous, how can one be proud and boast about how much they have kill when half the time you are in a gang of 20 killing a single tech 1 BS and you barely get one shot off. Or you just sneak in in the last second with out doing any of the hard work.
begin the flames?
Me thinks someone is ****ed because they got killed by a pirate.
You're right, sometimes you get killed 20 v 1, but that's a rarity. Usually, pirates rove in gangs of 3 to 5.
But that's not the point, you are complaining about killboards. Certainly, most pirates/players are not killboard ****** like say, Klepto, but that doesn't mean we don't like to see how we're doing.
Killboards lets us keep track of who we've fought, what they had fitted, who we've killed, and who we've lost to.
Its also important for corps that are Merc corps, because they use their efficiency rating to sell themselves as mercs...
Anyway, I'll stop now... you can't win with a thread like this.
-Karlemgne
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Vyktor Abyss
The Abyss Corporation
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Posted - 2007.07.12 19:05:00 -
[43]
Originally by: Dionisius
U were a pain in the arse when i was in providence and i still want my 2 drones back!!!!!
Glad to have been noteworthy and better luck in your new home!
Come back for your drones anytime!
- Ideas are my business...maybe thats why I'm always skint!
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Wayward Hooligan
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.07.12 19:30:00 -
[44]
Eve is a game.
Killboards are fun.
I play Eve to have fun.
Think about all the stupid accomplishment **** you can do for games on XBOX Live. I don't have an xbox and never will but friends have them and I guess you can earn tokens or some **** that list what you have accomplished in different games.
Think of killboards like a high score board. Remember those old top down 2d space shooters like Raiden? Its fun to get onto the highscore list. Killboard is the Eve equivalent.
Stop sucking.
Shamis Orzoz:
Cap Boosters are for losers. I don't run out of gas. |
Cpt Branko
Guardian Heroes
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Posted - 2007.07.12 19:52:00 -
[45]
Be happy about killboards, they're great for getting intel on war targets. What ships they fly, where they operate, which pilots of theirs suck/rock, what group composition they use, etc, etc...
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Nolene
War Crimes
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Posted - 2007.07.13 03:13:00 -
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I keep a personal board to track my own fun in this game. As this is a pvp based game, killmails are a major part of tracking and boasting. Again, its like a trophey wall, at least for me.
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Alak D'bor
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Posted - 2007.07.13 03:43:00 -
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The main trouble with killboards is that they're statistically bogus because of kills shared between pilots, corps, and alliances. If they would just count only final blows or kills divided by the entities involved, then statistical relevance would instantly be fixed.
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Moridin920
Gallente
Dust Echoes
FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.13 07:09:00 -
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I also dislike when people lead the killboards and talk crap when all their kills are with 20 other people. It's annoying. I use KBs myself though just so I can keep track of my own kills for myself (most are solo or with a friend anyway, so I can legitimately boast sometimes =D)...
There's a lot of good reasons to have them up, which I won't list because many above me said them already.
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Dionisius
Gallente
Ordem dos Templarios
Pax Atlantis
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Posted - 2007.07.13 10:22:00 -
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Originally by: Vyktor Abyss
Originally by: Dionisius
U were a pain in the arse when i was in providence and i still want my 2 drones back!!!!!
Glad to have been noteworthy and better luck in your new home!
Come back for your drones anytime!
Ah indeed i have to return one of these days, had some great fights in down there in providence.
That Eos vs 2xvaga was an awesome one, eheheh, i was always on the run when your gangs were around.
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Originally by: Splagada
Edited by: Splagada on 21/06/2007 13:51:39
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