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Elisha Starkiller
Viziam Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.01.09 10:33:00 -
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So people with all these people now running incursions (this is not a nerf incursions thread! I thinkthey are great getting people to fly together and be social) there are deff less people running missions and mining.
this means there is less loot being refined, and less ore being refined,
So there you have it people, my theory on the rising prices, get your lvl4 mission ships together and start reaping the profit! dust off them orcas...
rejoice the golden age of selling minerals!
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Skydell
Space Mermaids
90
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Posted - 2012.01.09 10:58:00 -
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2 minutes before downtime and 20,000 are online, Zydrine is at 735 in Jita. Was at 1100 a year ago. Stocks are in the 10's of millions.
Maybe in 6 months you will be right. Today? Not so much. |
Elisha Starkiller
Viziam Amarr Empire
4
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Posted - 2012.01.09 11:03:00 -
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Zydrine has dropped I agree but there are several other minerals that are rising slowly. im assuming this must be reduced supply compared to increased demand.....
but then assumption is the mother of all......
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Elisha Starkiller
Viziam Amarr Empire
4
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Posted - 2012.01.09 11:06:00 -
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May be the title should have been "The Golden Age Of Manufacturing" :P
either way one of my alts has started manufacturing T1 at a profit... who would have thought it! (only mildly researched BPO's too)
Golden age... :D |
Skydell
Space Mermaids
90
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Posted - 2012.01.09 11:09:00 -
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The beauty of Tech 1 forecasting is, it doesn't have moon goo or Intact armor plate bottle necking in the production.
If people are using minerals off the market to produce, they use them in compareable volumes. Supply is there if demand is. Right now the demand isn't there. Thats the trouble. |
Skippermonkey
Tactical Knightmare
311
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Posted - 2012.01.09 11:19:00 -
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if your definition of a golden age is one where too many people do something and drive down any profits, then yes, manufacturing has hit its golden age |
Skydell
Space Mermaids
90
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Posted - 2012.01.09 11:23:00 -
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Last reply unless a direct question is asked but your optimism isn't to be wasted. There is some opportunity in the current state of the market and manufacturing of EVE. I will leave it to you to find those opportunities though as that's what makes it all a game.
GL in that. (genuine GL) |
Jafit McJafitson
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
114
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Posted - 2012.01.09 11:26:00 -
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Skydell wrote:2 minutes before downtime and 20,000 are online, Zydrine is at 735 in Jita. Was at 1100 a year ago. Stocks are in the 10's of millions.
Botters gonna bot. |
Elisha Starkiller
Viziam Amarr Empire
4
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Posted - 2012.01.09 11:27:00 -
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Skydell wrote:Last reply unless a direct question is asked but your optimism isn't to be wasted. There is some opportunity in the current state of the market and manufacturing of EVE. I will leave it to you to find those opportunities though as that's what makes it all a game.
GL in that. (genuine GL)
There are definitely a few,
And Thanks :D |
pussnheels
Vintage heavy industries
259
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Posted - 2012.01.09 12:33:00 -
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the golden age of mining was when miners were treated as just another way of playing this game , today miners are ridiculed and being treated as p+«ece of dirt , they being called carebears or bots at best but most of the time called worse and CCP is actually encouraging others to grief them out of the game
I do not agree with what you are saying , but i will defend to the death your right to say it...... Voltaire |
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Jafit McJafitson
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
114
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Posted - 2012.01.09 13:36:00 -
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pussnheels wrote:the golden age of mining was when miners were treated as just another way of playing this game , today miners are ridiculed and being treated as p+«ece of dirt , they being called carebears or bots at best but most of the time called worse and CCP is actually encouraging others to grief them out of the game Dear sweet pubbie. Your tears are like life sustaining nectar to those who kill you. I would like to say that you are dumb, but I know that it's not really your fault that you're like this.
If left to their own devices a player usually does that which is familiar to them. The game starts by giving you an Ibis with a mining laser and a civilian railgun fitted, and tells you to go mine rocks and shoot red crosses. The player will follow the nice tutorial lady's advice and go shoot rocks and red crosses... and that's basically all they'll ever do. They'll learn all about shooting rocks and red crosses, they put rat damage types in their character bio, maybe they'll cooperate with other players up to the point where they skilled and equipped well enough to do things on their own, because nobody wants to split the profits. If you need help you'll just get another account.
So you end up with this huge group of players who are effectively playing Eve as a single player game, with no real interaction with other players. Then one day, another player interacts with them, hard. They lose their hulk or their CNR, and they're shocked because the game has done nothing to prepare them for this experience. You think that your assailent is in the wrong, that he is a griefer. You rage in local and petition CCP to get your stuff back only to find that all is as intended.
It's not your fault you don't know any better, it's Eve's fault for not educating you on the nature of the game, and for leading you into a career of high-sec mining in the first place. You have my pity. |
pussnheels
Vintage heavy industries
262
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Posted - 2012.01.09 14:09:00 -
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Jafit McJafitson wrote:pussnheels wrote:the golden age of mining was when miners were treated as just another way of playing this game , today miners are ridiculed and being treated as p+«ece of dirt , they being called carebears or bots at best but most of the time called worse and CCP is actually encouraging others to grief them out of the game Dear sweet pubbie. Your tears are like life sustaining nectar to those who kill you. I would like to say that you are dumb, but I know that it's not really your fault that you're like this. If left to their own devices a player usually does that which is familiar to them. The game starts by giving you an Ibis with a mining laser and a civilian railgun fitted, and tells you to go mine rocks and shoot red crosses. The player will follow the nice tutorial lady's advice and go shoot rocks and red crosses... and that's basically all they'll ever do. They'll learn all about shooting rocks and red crosses, they put rat damage types in their character bio, maybe they'll cooperate with other players up to the point where they skilled and equipped well enough to do things on their own, because nobody wants to split the profits. If you need help you'll just get another account. So you end up with this huge group of players who are effectively playing Eve as a single player game, with no real interaction with other players. Then one day, another player interacts with them, hard. They lose their hulk or their CNR, and they're shocked because the game has done nothing to prepare them for this experience. You think that your assailent is in the wrong, that he is a griefer. You rage in local and petition CCP to get your stuff back only to find that all is as intended. It's not your fault you don't know any better, it's Eve's fault for not educating you on the nature of the game, and for leading you into a career of high-sec mining in the first place. You have my pity. so yes you saying we have to play this game how you nullsec assholes want to play the game and any other way is wrong and should be eradicated well to be polite ' ge kunt m'n klote kusse' i always thought you people out there have lost any sense what a sandboxgame means and that this game was designed to be played in several different ways and if someone wants to play on his own thats his choice not yours I do not agree with what you are saying , but i will defend to the death your right to say it...... Voltaire |
Pinaculus
Insanely Twisted
130
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Posted - 2012.01.09 14:31:00 -
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Losing my mission running Dominix to Low-Sec gankers was the best thing that could have happened to me.
It turns out, there's other people that also play this game. And they can interact with me as much as they want. And they mostly use guns to interact with others.
I know. Completely blew my mind at the time. I know sometimes it's difficult to realize just how much you spend on incidental things each month or year, but seriously, EVE is very cheap entertainment compared to most things... If you are a smoker, smoke one less pack a week and pay for EVE, with money left over to pick up a cheap bundle of flowers for the EVE widow upstairs. |
Jafit McJafitson
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
115
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Posted - 2012.01.09 14:53:00 -
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pussnheels wrote: so yes you saying we have to play this game how you nullsec assholes want to play the game and any other way is wrong and should be eradicated well to be polite ' ge kunt m'n klote kusse' i always thought you people out there have lost any sense what a sandboxgame means and that this game was designed to be played in several different ways and if someone wants to play on his own thats his choice not yours
You're playing a game that goes to great lengths to have one single un-sharded universe full of thousands of players. If all you do is shoot red crosses or mine rocks with the extent of your interaction with other players being chatting in corp or sperging in local because someone flipped your can or stole your salvage, then yes I think that I have reasonable grounds for accusing you of playing the game wrong.
But as I said, it's not your fault, Eve doesn't train the player how to play like other games do.
Compare your newbie experience in this game with that of Evian Drinker's newbie experience, a 1 day old player who on his first day helped tackle and kill three Tengus. We have another newbie, Orion Winters who got a warp-in on a Nyx supercarrier on his second day. On your second day you were mining Scordite in your Bantam or grinding level1 missions. Can you imagine how different your Eve life would have been if you had that kind of start?
Please try to understand where we're coming from. We're playing the game as it was intended. We're interacting with each other in a multiplayer game like we're supposed to. We interact with each other all the time, cooperating and helping each other (or not sometimes). we interact with neutrals and reds using the myriad of ships and modules explicitly designed by CCP for combat.
We're doing all the things that CCP keeps making (very misleading and misrepresentative) trailers about. CCP don't make trailers about solo mining or mission running publords in high-sec for very good reason. |
Elisha Starkiller
Viziam Amarr Empire
4
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Posted - 2012.01.09 15:17:00 -
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but yet without the people mining and making ships with industrial alts none of that stuff would have ever happend.....
not going against either point but your both right... |
pussnheels
Vintage heavy industries
264
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Posted - 2012.01.09 15:31:00 -
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never mind forum ate my reply I do not agree with what you are saying , but i will defend to the death your right to say it...... Voltaire |
Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
778
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Posted - 2012.01.09 15:42:00 -
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Skydell wrote:2 minutes before downtime and 20,000 are online, Zydrine is at 735 in Jita. Was at 1100 a year ago. Stocks are in the 10's of millions.
Maybe in 6 months you will be right. Today? Not so much.
Considering all the Exhumer/mining barge murdering that goes for months now and looking at your numbers I'd say that your alliances bots have far too much stock to inject at jita.
Because just face it for once, missioners and high sec miners being responsible for those prices? -c'mon.
Be serious for a second, pick any cloacky ship you can fly and make dozens or hundreds of null sec belts/sites/incursions to see they don't even care to salvage or loot, even battle fights most don't even care to salvage/loot any more and then you think about those dozens billions right there in front of you no one picks and posts like yours on this forum.
0/10 |
pussnheels
Vintage heavy industries
268
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Posted - 2012.01.09 15:46:00 -
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@ jafit
I do understand your point of view but you pressuming i am new and only mine solo You are wrong , i got several characters , some industrial type some combat orientated ,and i ve been in large corporations and some large alliances I ve seen high sec , low sec WH space and nulsec , been there several months in fact so i know what it is out there and understand what you are talking about and i lost plenty of ships in pvp , some good fights other losses were ijust stupid , but anyway I don't speak for my self and i am sure there are plenty of people out there with the same frustration about the current anti miners attitude that seems to prevail everywhere
CCP made this game with 3 distinct areas each with their own playing styles and while i self enjoy the social side of being in a large corp , there are people who prefer small corporation , them with one or two friends and their alts , no strings no rules and nostranger who tells them what to do now and how todo it
If CCP wanted us all doing PVP , why did they created high sec and why did they created a player driven economy Ask your self who is going to mine the minerals for your next ship or the fuel for yourcarrier , without those thousands of small corporations the game would turn onesided very fast I do not agree with what you are saying , but i will defend to the death your right to say it...... Voltaire |
Aqriue
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
436
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Posted - 2012.01.09 15:53:00 -
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Jafit McJafitson wrote: Please try to understand where we're coming from. We're playing the game as it was intended. Playing the game any f*cking way you want, that is how its intended.
One thing you can't do, is at least respect how another player plays their game.
Seems its ok to call people pubbie (used as a derogatory word to someone that isn't in your clique), but I bet you wouldn't use racial slurs in the presence of your boss who was of another color.
Seems it ok to blast other people's hulks, but I know you wouldn't walk up to some other random person on the street and just smack them in the head then laugh at their reaction (cause you wouldn't do that in real life amirite? Just slapping someone could be cause for assault )
Seems its ok to steal money and assests, but in real life you wouldn't really steal from your company or bust into your neighbors house to steal their flat screen (if your not firing off knuckle children in the privacy of your neighbor's house while watching something on that flat screen )
You can only do those aspects in EVE, because you can get away with it and it is a form of self empowerment: I can do anything to you, therefore I am better then you
So, tl;dr aspect is you can play the damn game any way you want and thats how its intended.
I don't play the game how you play, but somethings I learned quickly is to be derogartory to some dreddit loudmouth like yourself brings a shitstorm down on them. Blowing up hulks is like blowing up level 4 battle ships, cause hulks die just as easily and I don't need some KM to prove I am better. I don't need to steal assets, because I make enough to suit my needs and because trust has zero value there is no way in hell I am going to trust another player in EVE (if someone wants to play the "rouge rogue" bad ass you are going to have to try way f*cking harder to get to know me then steal my stuff other then fishing local crap-contracts and calling yourself a scammer - BTW at least RL scammers made REAL money instead of fake virtual currency ) |
Embrace My Hate
Black Horizon. Test Friends Please Ignore
86
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Posted - 2012.01.09 15:53:00 -
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Elisha Starkiller wrote:but yet without the people mining and making ships with industrial alts none of that stuff would have ever happend.....
not going against either point but your both right...
The vast majority of minerals are coming from the Drone Regions. Instability in the regions are hurting the supply of the minerals.
Also, I know very few PVP'ers that don't have industrial alts. The world will not end if a few highsec miners and manufacturer's rage quit from suicide ganks. |
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Embrace My Hate
Black Horizon. Test Friends Please Ignore
86
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Posted - 2012.01.09 15:54:00 -
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Aqriue wrote:Jafit McJafitson wrote: Please try to understand where we're coming from. We're playing the game as it was intended. Playing the game any f*cking way you want, that is how its intended. One thing you can't do, is at least respect how another player plays their game. Seems its ok to call people pubbie (used as a derogatory word to someone that isn't in your clique), but I bet you wouldn't use racial slurs in the presence of your boss who was of another color. Seems it ok to blast other people's hulks, but I know you wouldn't walk up to some other random person on the street and just smack them in the head then laugh at their reaction (cause you wouldn't do that in real life amirite? Just slapping someone could be cause for assault ) Seems its ok to steal money and assests, but in real life you wouldn't really steal from your company or bust into your neighbors house to steal their flat screen (if your not firing off knuckle children in the privacy of your neighbor's house while watching something on that flat screen ) You can only do those aspects in EVE, because you can get away with it and it is a form of self empowerment: I can do anything to you, therefore I am better then youSo, tl;dr aspect is you can play the damn game any way you want and thats how its intended. I don't play the game how you play, but somethings I learned quickly is to be derogartory to some dreddit loudmouth like yourself brings a shitstorm down on them. Blowing up hulks is like blowing up level 4 battle ships, cause hulks die just as easily and I don't need some KM to prove I am better. I don't need to steal assets, because I make enough to suit my needs and because trust has zero value there is no way in hell I am going to trust another player in EVE (if someone wants to play the "rouge rogue" bad ass you are going to have to try way f*cking harder to get to know me then steal my stuff other then fishing local crap-contracts and calling yourself a scammer - BTW at least RL scammers made REAL money instead of fake virtual currency )
Here we go comparing eve to real life again :roll eyes: |
Jafit McJafitson
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
118
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Posted - 2012.01.09 16:09:00 -
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pussnheels wrote:If CCP wanted us all doing PVP , why did they created high sec and why did they created a player driven economy Ask your self who is going to mine the minerals for your next ship or the fuel for yourcarrier , without those thousands of small corporations the game would turn onesided very fast
Since asteroid mining, two other forms of resource gathering have been introduced, POS moon mining and PI, both of which are automated, with the only player involvement being in setup and transport of harvested materials. Why is that? I think it's because asteroid mining is a relic from the early, innocent, carefree days of Eve.
True mining is an activity that the devs put in the game, but times have changed since beta, and we can't ignore present day realities. Mining is so boring and monotonous that the players have built bots to automate it for them. CCP I think turns a blind eye to illegal botting because if it were to disappear suddenly the economy would probably fall apart, because not enough players can bear the thought of spending their game time mining when they can do practically anything else in the game and get more isk/hour.
We don't do any mining in our space, it is cheaper and safer to import from Empire markets, which are probably mostly stocked by botters. So whether they're mining in high-sec, null-sec, or they're 'gunmining' bots killing rogue drones for their alloys in the Drone Regions, I, you and everyone else probably owe the minerals that built our ships to this game's brave robot miners.
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Jafit McJafitson
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
118
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Posted - 2012.01.09 16:12:00 -
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Aqriue wrote: One thing you can't do, is at least respect how another player plays their game.
:rant:
vOv
U mad bro?
Respect is earned, not demanded. Nothing you do is worthy of my respect.
Here's a song to soothe your buttmad soul: http://soundcloud.com/firedmn/pubbies |
Skydell
Space Mermaids
91
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Posted - 2012.01.09 16:14:00 -
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Tanya Powers wrote:Skydell wrote:2 minutes before downtime and 20,000 are online, Zydrine is at 735 in Jita. Was at 1100 a year ago. Stocks are in the 10's of millions.
Maybe in 6 months you will be right. Today? Not so much. Considering all the Exhumer/mining barge murdering that goes for months now and looking at your numbers I'd say that your alliances bots have far too much stock to inject at jita. Because just face it for once, missioners and high sec miners being responsible for those prices? -c'mon. Be serious for a second, pick any cloacky ship you can fly and make dozens or hundreds of null sec belts/sites/incursions to see they don't even care to salvage or loot, even battle fights most don't even care to salvage/loot any more and then you think about those dozens billions right there in front of you no one picks and posts like yours on this forum. 0/10
I'll be sure to tell my alliance bots that you weren't happy with them.. I guess... Just out of curiosity, who is my alliance?
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Dr Karsun
Coffee Lovers Brewing Club Care Factor
95
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Posted - 2012.01.09 16:37:00 -
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Embrace My Hate wrote:Elisha Starkiller wrote:but yet without the people mining and making ships with industrial alts none of that stuff would have ever happend.....
not going against either point but your both right... The vast majority of minerals are coming from the Drone Regions. Instability in the regions are hurting the supply of the minerals. Also, I know very few PVP'ers that don't have industrial alts. The world will not end if a few highsec miners and manufacturer's rage quit from suicide ganks.
That is news since before the drone drop nerf. ATM as far as I recall the statistics show 60% and 40% in favor of mining vs all other refining. "Have you had your morning coffee?" -> the Coffee Lovers Brewing Club is recruiting! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=363976#post363976 |
Infinion
Awesome Corp
23
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Posted - 2012.01.09 16:39:00 -
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mining is pretty cool, but I don't usually do it because it requires way too much patience and work. While I do think a miner has to step up his game to survive and be successful, I don't think you can be a true 100% miner without running into problems and I think that's been the case for years now. The miner bashing / personal attacks are unnecessary, it's clear that mining needs more content and flavor so lets leave it at that |
Valei Khurelem
124
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Posted - 2012.01.09 16:41:00 -
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This is pretty much the EVE equivalent of a recession, wait until hulkageddon begins, they'll push prices up even more, time to stash your commodities folks :P
I did actually warn about this in a features ideas thread, this is pretty much the equivalent of ISK inflation, because CCP are making ISK available so freely now and there is an unlimited amount of it being dished out to people the prices are going to be pushed way up, thankfully like the real world there's a way to protect your wealth, buy ore, minerals and anything that has real value.
CCP should really look into just crashing their currency now otherwise the prices will rise forever and mission runners will become extinct and incursions will barely make anything. |
pussnheels
Vintage heavy industries
270
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Posted - 2012.01.10 07:37:00 -
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Jafit McJafitson wrote:pussnheels wrote:If CCP wanted us all doing PVP , why did they created high sec and why did they created a player driven economy Ask your self who is going to mine the minerals for your next ship or the fuel for yourcarrier , without those thousands of small corporations the game would turn onesided very fast Since asteroid mining, two other forms of resource gathering have been introduced, POS moon mining and PI, both of which are automated, with the only player involvement being in setup and transport of harvested materials. Why is that? I think it's because asteroid mining is a relic from the early, innocent, carefree days of Eve. True mining is an activity that the devs put in the game, but times have changed since beta, and we can't ignore present day realities. Mining is so boring and monotonous that the players have built bots to automate it for them. CCP I think turns a blind eye to illegal botting because if it were to disappear suddenly the economy would probably fall apart, because not enough players can bear the thought of spending their game time mining when they can do practically anything else in the game and get more isk/hour. We don't do any mining in our space, it is cheaper and safer to import from Empire markets, which are probably mostly stocked by botters. So whether they're mining in high-sec, null-sec, or they're 'gunmining' bots killing rogue drones for their alloys in the Drone Regions, I, you and everyone else probably owe the minerals that built our ships to this game's brave robot miners. you never dabbled alot in the industry side of EVe did you , just a observation , no critism Only industry side that doesn't need work is indeed moongoo , but you will be suprised how much works goes into pi if you want to make a good profit from it , not going into details but pi is much more than setting up you installation and empty the storage once a week , if you want to make a decent profit from it it takes some time on a daily base second most minerals in high sec are from miners and mission runners and not bots , bots used to be rampaging a year ago but since then they seem to be in decline , my observation in the region i usually hang out , this only about minerals icemining bots still seems to be there in some systems , you would be suprised how quickly large buy orders fill up in highsec backwatersystems , far away from trade hub and with large buy orders i mean 100mil and more , and these are not from bots filling up that order for you mining is boring and in a way it is but 3/4 of the fun in mining is the social aspect, chatting with your corpmates and for some people it is relaxing For me after a long frustrating day at the office , i find peace and tranquility in watching my miners eat roids ; for some other that relaxing moment comes with blowing up ship , each their own i say I just feel that griefing miners and other high sec industrials because they play the game different is wrong and will have a negative effect on the whole game if this persist on the scale like it is now I do not agree with what you are saying , but i will defend to the death your right to say it...... Voltaire |
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
2679
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Posted - 2012.01.10 08:29:00 -
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Jafit McJafitson wrote:pussnheels wrote:the golden age of mining was when miners were treated as just another way of playing this game , today miners are ridiculed and being treated as p+«ece of dirt , they being called carebears or bots at best but most of the time called worse and CCP is actually encouraging others to grief them out of the game Dear sweet pubbie. Your tears are like life sustaining nectar to those who kill you. I would like to say that you are dumb, but I know that it's not really your fault that you're like this
Actually, you're a pubbie too as you are not a Goon but merely a Goon-pet ~~~
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki |
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
2679
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Posted - 2012.01.10 08:31:00 -
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:10bux:
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki |
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