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Gunther Arralix	Posted - 2004.01.26 09:02:00 - [1] Today I used an alt on one of my accounts to scout out a new area. I had transported my clone to the area where I started and were heading towards another system. When I approached the gate I got podded in my shuttle. Back at station I activated my rookie ship and went on to the gate just to get podded again. I tried to talk to them but as usually pirates dont reply New rookieship, rinse and repeat Told them that I am going to get through that gate regardless of how many times they pod me Some gank, harhar and h÷h÷ was the only reply i got. New rookieship, rinse and repeat 5 times One of them asked me why I was continuing I didnt reply New rookieship, rinse and repeat Another one told me to [censored] off I didnt reply New rookieship, rinse and repeat Got a convo I blocked New rookieship, rinse and repeat Someone shouting in caps that they would petition me if I continued I didnt reply New rookieship, rinse and repeat 3 times Suddenly a new sky was loading I looked back on the starmap seeing 14 podkills the last hour in that system. A good warning signal to all seriuos and experienced travellers. Fun thing is that the "pirates" still are hanging out in the same spot Piracy for me is when you go out to hunt for profit. Shooting down ships to get their cargo and modules, extorsion etc But so far the only "pirates" I have encountered seems to consist of a bunch of kids griefing others for fun and not taking the profession seriously. So my question is if there are any REAL pirates in EVE. People who takes pride in their profession
s0cks	Posted - 2004.01.26 09:24:00 - [2] Edited by: s0cks on 26/01/2004 09:25:15 We have never gate camped. Only hunted people down in low sec space. We also have a rule in our corp. No smack talk. We try not to talk in local, and if someone wants to convo me, i'll have a sensible conversation, unless they insult me then I just quit the convo. War of 12year old words is old, pathetic, and a waste of time. If it was us gate camping, and you had convo'd me asking to come thru after we had killed ur shuttle, tbh we prolly woulda let you thru knowing that you probably have nothing of any value. So there are some nice pirates out there I dont understand why the guys who got you would start moaning about it, and saying hey would petition. That sounds rather lame... they shoulda either not said anything and continued if they realy liked it, or justa let you go , figuring it was a waste of time. Some people are weird
Tank CEO	Posted - 2004.01.26 09:46:00 - [3] Your annoying. ---
ClarCE	Posted - 2004.01.26 10:17:00 - [4] LOL, you griefed a griefer --'The Way is Shut'-- ----------------------- Jenny...Get to the Chopper---Stick Around -----------------------
Tek Na'Shakk	Posted - 2004.01.26 10:29:00 - [5] Edited by: Tek Na'Shakk on 26/01/2004 11:03:55 Edited by: Tek Na'Shakk on 26/01/2004 10:33:25 Edited by: Tek Na'Shakk on 26/01/2004 10:30:23 Quote: New rookieship, rinse and repeat Another one told me to [censored] off I didnt reply New rookieship, rinse and repeat Someone shouting in caps that they would petition me if I continued I didnt reply Yes, the pirate campers were Vatos Locos and the system was Kheram. But i don't believe we said anything about petition you for something or told you to f*** off. Do you got any chat logs of this? Ask any corp in this region and you will know we don't smack talk. If you would have answered our convos you would have known the price to pass the gate. Biomass are like pokÚmons, Got to catch them all :)
Schani Kratnorr	Posted - 2004.01.26 11:11:00 - [6] Not speaking for my corp here, just some general thoughts on piracy. I think there IS real piracy in eve. If by piracy you mean shadowing a fat industrial loaded to the brim with valuables and then abushing him somewhere then cerainly yes there are "real pirates" out there. The drawback with this sort of piracy is the ammount of work it requires in contrast to just setting up a blockade by a gate and blowing up those who happen to come past, then sorting the "loot" later on. Consider the methods employed by players against NPC pirates and you get the idea. To be "cost effective" a pirate has to make the most of his tools. If I was a pirate and got credible information about a certain industrial loaded with valuables, and I had the chance to intercept it in time then certainly I would do it provided the target was deemed hostile. The problem is that if the journey is 20 jumps before the target is "safe" inside empire space, and I am 15-20 jumps away then how am I supposed to get there in time? Thinking about this for a while, you'd have to come to the conclusion that if you want to earn a living by stealing from merchants (definition of piracy in EVE?) then it would be far more cost effective to select a system and blockade the gates there instead of sitting around waiting for that "golden opportunity" Just a thought... -- "I am an expert in not caring. The trick is to stop giving a rat's ass about anyone else and start thinking about what YOU want, what YOU diserve, what the world ows YOU!" - Bender
Nimrodel	Posted - 2004.01.26 11:56:00 - [7] Edited by: Nimrodel on 26/01/2004 12:01:40 There are some quite nice pirates out there that Enjoy the PvP aspects of the game and will meet you in a fair fight with no abuse (perhaps some rolplayed Grrr, Arrg, matee) But it does seem like there are lots of pirates Who just sit abusing people, will attack 10 vs 1 and then run whenever a challange comes there way I get really tired of being in a task force of 5 or so and finding that no-one wants to face 5 Ships prepared for combat.. long fruitless chases!! In a way Dispite all the Abuse People seem to give the larger older pirate corps I kind of like them as they will stand and fight under even odds!! And they will have a laugh with you and somtimes give you advice! You can have fun Not run whenever a threat appears(pak).... (we all run in our shiny toys! BUT its annoying to find no-one will face you. simply do your PvP in a ship you care less for) eg. I Attacked Viceroy(scorpian) in a Executioner for a laugh and instead of Instant Podding (most n00b pirates) I got comments like nice damage, Nipply little thing, and come Closer!! The current State of N00b Piracy is partly the fault of carebears and People who knowingly enter -0.4 and abuse pirates when they loose a ship... --------------------------------------------- Nimrodel Dark Force User Joint Espionage & Defence Industries --------------------------------------------- Your Medium YF-12a Smartbomb hits Rusty Cloud, doing 0.0 damage.
s0cks	Posted - 2004.01.26 12:43:00 - [8] I think people just have to accept that no-one wants to fight an unfair or even slightly risky fight if they don't have to. We loose ships everyday, but I can understand why BS pirates may wanna run away. Its just not profitable to fight and risk loosing your ship. This is just one of he reasons PvP is at a bitter low in Eve. Everyone is up for a fight if they know they have a good chance. Would you wanna take on 4 BB's with 2 of you in BS's? Knowing full well that the BB's could easily have enuff jamming to lock you both down completely?
toaster	Posted - 2004.01.26 13:32:00 - [9] Quote: Today I used an alt on one of my accounts to scout out a new area. I had transported my clone to the area where I started and were heading towards another system. When I approached the gate I got podded in my shuttle. Back at station I activated my rookie ship and went on to the gate just to get podded again. I tried to talk to them but as usually pirates dont reply New rookieship, rinse and repeat Told them that I am going to get through that gate regardless of how many times they pod me Some gank, harhar and h÷h÷ was the only reply i got. New rookieship, rinse and repeat 5 times One of them asked me why I was continuing I didnt reply New rookieship, rinse and repeat Another one told me to [censored] off I didnt reply New rookieship, rinse and repeat Got a convo I blocked New rookieship, rinse and repeat Someone shouting in caps that they would petition me if I continued I didnt reply New rookieship, rinse and repeat 3 times Suddenly a new sky was loading I looked back on the starmap seeing 14 podkills the last hour in that system. A good warning signal to all seriuos and experienced travellers. Fun thing is that the "pirates" still are hanging out in the same spot Piracy for me is when you go out to hunt for profit. Shooting down ships to get their cargo and modules, extorsion etc But so far the only "pirates" I have encountered seems to consist of a bunch of kids griefing others for fun and not taking the profession seriously. So my question is if there are any REAL pirates in EVE. People who takes pride in their profession I agree, there is little real pirating that I have seen so far in Eve. Most just blow everything up they see for fun, not all though. Also, we have had some run-ins with vatos lately and have not heard any smack talk. ------------------------------------------------
Jebidus Skari	Posted - 2004.01.26 13:58:00 - [10] AFAIK the only corps who do the piracy that you're on about, that I know of, are PAK and Jokers. I think pirate is a term thrown about to easily to describe corps, or players, that just kill for fun. Killing players doesn't necessarily mean you a pirate and being in a corp that kills other players in other corps doesn't necessarily mean it is a pirate corp.
Ywev	Posted - 2004.01.26 15:36:00 - [11] with people like you in the game it makes it fun to repeatedly kill you, so we can read your lame ass post on the boards later. Pod ya later.. Ywev
Hodokie Seek	Posted - 2004.01.26 16:04:00 - [12] Quote: I think pirate is a term thrown about to easily to describe corps, or players, that just kill for fun. Killing players doesn't necessarily mean you a pirate and being in a corp that kills other players in other corps doesn't necessarily mean it is a pirate corp. I think this sums it up right here. There are those who claim to be pirates who just use it as an exuse or cover as it were for PK'ing. Big difference. There should be an other distinction for these players I think and should not be confused as pirates, just my 2 isk. __________________________________________ Quote: [07:11:41] Hodokie Seek > k, will probably go in my Tristan. [07:12:18] xxxx > tristan? is it a hazardous area? [07:12:27] Hodokie Seek > Yep [07:12:34] xxxx > nuts [07:12:37] Hodokie Seek > Yep [07:12:52] xxxx > wouldn't be so bad, but i'd hate to lose my implants [07:13:06] xxxx > i'll go in my omen /emote Hodokie Seek <---- No implants and no brains.
Jash Illian	Posted - 2004.01.26 16:45:00 - [13] Edited by: Jash Illian on 26/01/2004 16:46:49 Just because a person is in a rookie ship doesn't mean they aren't carrying something of value. I own enough blueprints to fill 2m3 of cargo space. If I were stupid enough to put them into a Burst, they'd fit with room to spare for a good 267m worth of megacyte. Am I that stupid? Hell no! Have people been stupid enough to think that flying a Burst would be good camoflage for carrying valuables? Hell Yes! And 'stopping' a frigate is completely impossible. I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante
Blue Ice	Posted - 2004.01.26 17:01:00 - [14] Edited by: Blue Ice on 26/01/2004 17:02:30 Gate Griefers: waste of ******* space!!! Pirates I think not, lame kiddies - very much so.. Please tell me there are no adults out there that actually get pleasure out of camping gates... and as for the poster mate I sympathies with ya, these griefers should just get booted off the game, then maybe the servers may actually reach the heady hights of over 7000players at one time... In the last week I've counted at least 10 neebs who have left due to being blown apart with not even a convo or any reasoning, even when they've convo'd the person... Killing the neebs = killing the game....
Skillz	Posted - 2004.01.26 17:15:00 - [15] If you're a newbie, you don't go to 0.4 If you do, you assume certain risks. If you want 'serious' piracy. Remove the sentry guns then. Keep on flaming, lamers.
THX22 RAGE	Posted - 2004.01.26 17:32:00 - [16] Well for my part, being a pirate is about making money. I will use the smallest ship i can and kill the weakest frig or indy to maximize my profit(in case i get killed). If, in a fight, i loose more then i gain, i run, simple as that. I wont be a pirate for the fame of having kill so many ship. MONEY, that's the real thing. If i want fame ill be Bounty Hunter or a convoy defender.
Hodokie Seek	Posted - 2004.01.26 17:57:00 - [17] Edited by: Hodokie Seek on 26/01/2004 17:59:35 Quote: Pirates I think not, lame kiddies - very much so.. Please tell me there are no adults out there that actually get pleasure out of camping gates... There are many of adult age that are pure PvP and that's it. Gate tolls, tribute, and mining passes is how they make the bulk of thier money. To show they mean business, they will not stop at destroying your ship, they will take your clone, or user tolling as a means to justify poding for the sake of poding. Edit As said earlier in the post, folks may use n00b ships or shuttles for moving valuble cargo either for spead or thinking they will decieve you into thinking your a n00b. __________________________________________ Quote: [07:11:41] Hodokie Seek > k, will probably go in my Tristan. [07:12:18] xxxx > tristan? is it a hazardous area? [07:12:27] Hodokie Seek > Yep [07:12:34] xxxx > nuts [07:12:37] Hodokie Seek > Yep [07:12:52] xxxx > wouldn't be so bad, but i'd hate to lose my implants [07:13:06] xxxx > i'll go in my omen /emote Hodokie Seek <---- No implants and no brains.
Wild Rho	Posted - 2004.01.26 18:21:00 - [18] Edited by: Wild Rho on 26/01/2004 18:21:58 To be honest I think most PIRATES (not gakers/whatever) would prefer to have other options than having to camp gates. The sad fact is though that many pilots will see you come in local and run to the nearest safe spot or station and the proceed to smack talk. It is still possible with a bit of imagination and luck to catch people in belts but after a while it simply becomes simpler to sit at a gate and let the pilots come to you. Give PIRATES more options in locating and ambushing people anywhere but at 60kms from the gates and its likely there will be less gate camping and alot more excitment out in the lower sec areas. And for the record I have been podkilled by Vatos in Kheram recently and there was NO smack talk. I hate em but will credit them that I have the body of a supermodel. I just can't remember where I left it...
Alexandra Belani	Posted - 2004.01.26 18:34:00 - [19] Quote: Edited by: s0cks on 26/01/2004 09:25:15 We have never gate camped. Only hunted people down in low sec space. We also have a rule in our corp. No smack talk. We try not to talk in local, and if someone wants to convo me, i'll have a sensible conversation, unless they insult me then I just quit the convo. War of 12year old words is old, pathetic, and a waste of time. If it was us gate camping, and you had convo'd me asking to come thru after we had killed ur shuttle, tbh we prolly woulda let you thru knowing that you probably have nothing of any value. So there are some nice pirates out there I dont understand why the guys who got you would start moaning about it, and saying hey would petition. That sounds rather lame... they shoulda either not said anything and continued if they realy liked it, or justa let you go , figuring it was a waste of time. Some people are weird Hahahahah thats why your people are never on for us to hunt lolol Like this sig? Check out my sig shoppe.. Zen Jakkaru - "Alexandra Belani (Most sexy terr
Jebidus Skari	Posted - 2004.01.27 12:12:00 - [20] Edited by: Jebidus Skari on 27/01/2004 12:13:44 Quote: Quote: Edited by: s0cks on 26/01/2004 09:25:15 We have never gate camped. Only hunted people down in low sec space. We also have a rule in our corp. No smack talk. We try not to talk in local, and if someone wants to convo me, i'll have a sensible conversation, unless they insult me then I just quit the convo. War of 12year old words is old, pathetic, and a waste of time. If it was us gate camping, and you had convo'd me asking to come thru after we had killed ur shuttle, tbh we prolly woulda let you thru knowing that you probably have nothing of any value. So there are some nice pirates out there I dont understand why the guys who got you would start moaning about it, and saying hey would petition. That sounds rather lame... they shoulda either not said anything and continued if they realy liked it, or justa let you go , figuring it was a waste of time. Some people are weird Hahahahah thats why your people are never on for us to hunt lolol we are on quite a lot, just because you feel you need the reassurance of Ravens, Apocs and cruisers to take out our poor little frigs doesn't mean you have some sort of right to charge onto the forums and talk smalk. Just keep abusing those scordy roids and stfu, loser
GodXenon	Posted - 2004.01.27 13:43:00 - [21] i always have a fair play m8 convo with ppl.. though it turns out camping SA space is a bit of a bad thing to do
Lockheed	Posted - 2004.01.27 13:56:00 - [22] Quote: Edited by: Nimrodel on 26/01/2004 12:01:40 There are some quite nice pirates out there that Enjoy the PvP aspects of the game and will meet you in a fair fight with no abuse (perhaps some rolplayed Grrr, Arrg, matee) THOSE PIRATES ARE NEXT TO NON-EXISTANT. Many times they will ask for 1v1 when they have 5 to 10 friends logged out. All he has to do is warp scram you. Quote: The current State of N00b Piracy is partly the fault of carebears and People who knowingly enter -0.4 and abuse pirates when they loose a ship... yes yes abuse pirates They chose the profession, they should be able to handle it ________________ On a pale horse.
Viceroy	Posted - 2004.01.27 14:19:00 - [23] I find it very funny and amusing when a noob decides its better to try and annoy me instead of learning from his mistake and continuing his gaming experience. I also adore hate mail and threats of all kinds. Seriously, Its amusing and lightens up my day. We have a whole section dedicated to it on the forums, quite a laugh. Interesting what people can write and do when they wind up themselves over a game. So calm down and lighten up. Have fun, be friendly. Nimrodel and her corp had a war with SPVD, we ended up having laughs in battleships and frigates as she said. No need to take it too seriously, but if you do, we'll blow you up to hear you scream and cry about it. Simply because its amusing. Ofcourse there are pirates out there who want to grief and stuff and dont care if you are friendly or sincere. Not just pirates, but normal "citizen"s too. Not talking on their behalf. And hell, that executioner did some good damage -
Jhered Stern	Posted - 2004.01.27 14:59:00 - [24] Hmmm... I find it grating that someone who is not a pirate is going to come on the forums and try to tell anyone in EVE how to pirate. I don't like ore thieves but I don't tell them how to steel ore or what is ethical about stealing ore. So for all you pirate griefers out there... Pod yourself! Jhered out!
Nimrodel	Posted - 2004.01.27 15:28:00 - [25] Quote: I think people just have to accept that no-one wants to fight an unfair or even slightly risky fight if they don't have to. We loose ships everyday, but I can understand why BS pirates may wanna run away. Its just not profitable to fight and risk loosing your ship. This is just one of he reasons PvP is at a bitter low in Eve. Everyone is up for a fight if they know they have a good chance. Would you wanna take on 4 BB's with 2 of you in BS's? Knowing full well that the BB's could easily have enuff jamming to lock you both down completely? um er yes .. i would love to take on 4 BB with 2 BS's!! 1: 4 BB will struggle to damage a BS (engineering guy here) 1: If the BB close to 20km to Warp jam then they risk FoF Cruise and Drones killing them! 3: If they stay at 40km to avoid FoF and Drones they can't warp jam and the BS'c can warp out when they get bored! True 1 BB with defender's 1 BB with energy stealers 2 BB with jammers could come close and kill the BS. I would Marvel at there skill and co-ordination and tell them well done!! --------------------------------------------- Nimrodel Dark Force User Joint Espionage & Defence Industries --------------------------------------------- Your Medium YF-12a Smartbomb hits Rusty Cloud, doing 0.0 damage.
Viceroy	Posted - 2004.01.27 15:40:00 - [26] We've held up a dominix with a BB and a B2 -
Valrandir	Posted - 2004.01.27 17:52:00 - [27] Edited by: Valrandir on 27/01/2004 17:54:54 Quote: Today I used an alt on one of my accounts to scout out a new area. I had transported my clone to the area where I started and were heading towards another system. When I approached the gate I got podded in my shuttle. Back at station I activated my rookie ship and went on to the gate just to get podded again. I tried to talk to them but as usually pirates dont reply New rookieship, rinse and repeat Told them that I am going to get through that gate regardless of how many times they pod me Some gank, harhar and h÷h÷ was the only reply i got. New rookieship, rinse and repeat 5 times One of them asked me why I was continuing I didnt reply New rookieship, rinse and repeat Another one told me to [censored] off I didnt reply New rookieship, rinse and repeat Got a convo I blocked New rookieship, rinse and repeat Someone shouting in caps that they would petition me if I continued I didnt reply New rookieship, rinse and repeat 3 times Suddenly a new sky was loading I looked back on the starmap seeing 14 podkills the last hour in that system. A good warning signal to all seriuos and experienced travellers. Fun thing is that the "pirates" still are hanging out in the same spot Piracy for me is when you go out to hunt for profit. Shooting down ships to get their cargo and modules, extorsion etc But so far the only "pirates" I have encountered seems to consist of a bunch of kids griefing others for fun and not taking the profession seriously. So my question is if there are any REAL pirates in EVE. People who takes pride in their profession In that case talk in local to see how much they are demanding to let you pass. If you don't want to pay then forget about the gate unless you have a ship fitted for speed (over 5km/s) or a bookmark at the gate. Your attitude show that the problem was you and not them. --------------------------------
Hellena	Posted - 2004.01.27 18:43:00 - [28] Quote: Edited by: Wild Rho on 26/01/2004 18:21:58 To be honest I think most PIRATES (not gakers/whatever) would prefer to have other options than having to camp gates. The sad fact is though that many pilots will see you come in local and run to the nearest safe spot or station and the proceed to smack talk. It is still possible with a bit of imagination and luck to catch people in belts but after a while it simply becomes simpler to sit at a gate and let the pilots come to you. Give PIRATES more options in locating and ambushing people anywhere but at 60kms from the gates and its likely there will be less gate camping and alot more excitment out in the lower sec areas. totally agree with you Wild. i cant wait for interceptor class to come out. word is they will be able to warp to things on scanner..revolutionizing hunting. because yeah..gate camping does work..its kinda really boring though..hunting is way fun but not as fun as the house of pleasure..well..maybe Not Just Another Pretty Face La Maison Hostess
Skillz	Posted - 2004.01.27 19:08:00 - [29] One dude tried something with a scorpion. I just activated my two sensor boosters and blew him away. Keep on flaming, lamers.
Mon Palae	Posted - 2004.01.28 00:06:00 - [30] Edited by: Mon Palae on 28/01/2004 00:08:31 Seems to me one distinguishing characteristic between RP pirates and mere griefers are those who try to podkill their victims. I ran into some pirates last night who zapped my shuttle. I of course jumped my pod out ASAP and they said they do not podkill unless they are at war with you or smack talk and it said as much in their Corp description. So I go back and they start locking my pod...I jump out immediately. They apologize that they had an autotargeter running and left the gate to show they were sincere which they did do. Damn decent of them I think. So, they get my shuttle and any juicy cargo it might have been carrying (in my case zero) but see no reason to go to the next level and try to zap my pod. Clearly my pod is worthless with no cargo or mods, I have no bounty on me and no BS about collecting corpses because they need the Biomass. To me that one simple statement in their corp description and making it a policy they adhere to that they not podkill anyone except under specific circumstances (circumstances that make sense and are reasonable) makes those guys more true pirates than many others. While I didn't like getting my shuttle zapped my hat is off to those guys because they make EVE a more fun place to game.

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