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Darius Shakor Minmatar Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari	Posted - 2007.07.15 09:27:00 - [1] Haven't got round to posting this yet but when Rev 2 was released I realised that the LP store removed a tool that us roleplayers relied on. Old agent offers used to have the ability to liberate slaves in the Republic (and I think Gallente space too) and the Amarr factions used to have options to enslave former slaves via agent offers. Way back when in the old days of eve, we requested such a feature for a long time and wept with joy when we finally got it. Now it is gone again. CCP, are there any plans to add such a feature back again? If not in the LP store then at least some other interaction to allow us to free slaves and allow the Amarr to enslave again. Many Minmatar RP groups have spent a lot of time and energy in installing a network of liberation using agents known to give out these offers, as well as working out routes around the customs officers to get slaves to these agents. (Another issue for another day when I compose my thoughts) Please, CCP, we need such a feature back on both sides. ------ Shakor Clan Information Portal
Shaikar Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.07.15 09:41:00 - [2] Edited by: Shaikar on 15/07/2007 09:40:49 I agree, I have a smelly mix of freed slaves and freedom fighters that need taken care of. There were also the other offers too which are missed like Kameiras, or the none-slavery illegal ones (whether they are drugs or stuff like plutonium etc) which could all be used for fun stuff. Not sure if anyone misses the thousand-tonnes-of-garbage offer though.
Elsebeth Rhiannon Minmatar Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2007.07.15 09:43:00 - [3] Edited by: Elsebeth Rhiannon on 15/07/2007 09:42:59 Yes, please do bring this back. Or give us something else to do the same kind of thing with. We really did use it. :) -- Help us defend the Republic; join Gradient now. "When pirates hate your guts, you know you are doing something right."
Scagga Laebetrovo Delictum 23216	Posted - 2007.07.15 09:47:00 - [4] This is essential! What do you expect heathens to do with slaves anyway? Delictum 23216 Official forums
Kyozoku Mutiny.	Posted - 2007.07.15 09:49:00 - [5] I kind of miss it too. My pirate agent used to ask me to score her drugs when ever she got the shakes.
Fswd	Posted - 2007.07.15 09:54:00 - [6] Originally by: Scagga Laebetrovo This is essential! What do you expect heathens to do with slaves anyway? Trash them? Like what you do with any set of pixels that doesnt generate isk --- snip Trolling and discussion of moderation removed - Serathu ([email protected])
djenghis jan Amarr Debiloff's Vanguard	Posted - 2007.07.15 09:59:00 - [7] I have lots of slaves and elite slaves in my hangers. You can buy them for 6-10 mil pet m^3. If you buy all of them i'll throw in a m^3 of vitoc to keep em quiet
Callthetruth Caldari Drunken Ratbags Inc New Eve Order	Posted - 2007.07.15 10:05:00 - [8] yes they need to be seeded back in
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.07.15 10:07:00 - [9] Amarrian agents also used to dish out Kameiras. It's things like this that give flavour to the different regions. Let's have the ability to get interesting stuff from LP store! Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Spoon Thumb Khanid Aerospace Group Khanid Provincial Authority	Posted - 2007.07.15 10:08:00 - [10] Can you please look at the Khanid LP Store whilst you're at it. We lost offers such as Elite Slaves offers as well as just about anything good Khaldari KPA are recruiting In-game channel: khanidpublic
Ackercoke Caldari The Causality Electus Matari	Posted - 2007.07.15 10:50:00 - [11] /signed Its only right...although perhaps not throught the LP store as then it makes the "Freeing of slaves" seem less as it can be achieved anytime, and likewise the Amarr could just enslave away all they wanted.
Frug Zenithal Harvest	Posted - 2007.07.15 10:52:00 - [12] I don't see how that's really worth much RP wise. It would be a lot nicer if there was some kind of concord record of these things. Slaves freed, rebels converted, kind of thing. - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - If you think I'm awesome, say BOOO BOOO!! - Ductoris Neat look what I found - Kreul Hey, my marbles
Adonis 4174	Posted - 2007.07.15 10:58:00 - [13] Easy enough to do. Give minnie corps a not-many-lp offer for freed slaves with the cost being slaves. SoE ought to get it too. ----- Currently playing: Hello Kitty Online Character: Evil Kitty of DEATH
Mori Felding Minmatar Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari	Posted - 2007.07.15 10:59:00 - [14] aye, I miss them as well, please bring it back. Not like it hurt anything having about. ___ Memento Mori
Ugleb Khumatari Holdings Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.07.15 11:02:00 - [15] Originally by: Frug I don't see how that's really worth much RP wise. It's worth one hell of alot to rp'ers. When people ask what we do with all the slaves we liberate (or if you're on the other side reclaim) we used to be able to say we arranged for them to enter into new lives/slavery. It's the point of our respective groups. Now we just have to fill up hangars with them as the game simply no longer allows us to do anything better. Originally by: Frug It would be a lot nicer if there was some kind of concord record of these things. Slaves freed, rebels converted, kind of thing. That would be the mk2 version of the feature we want to get back. Slave conversion gave us a real and tangible interaction with game mechanics, EVE needs more of this stuff to bring trade goods to life rather than just being something that clutters up the database.
Shern Minmatar Delictum 23216	Posted - 2007.07.15 11:03:00 - [16] Yes, this is a nice bit of colour. Be nice to train those misled freedom fighters who run around the hanger into sturdy Kamieras. Well, ok, maybe that's pushing it !
Drakolus Amarr Minmatar United Freedom Front Electus Matari	Posted - 2007.07.15 12:01:00 - [17] Pretty please. Its kind of embarrassing to be a freedom fighter dedicated to freedom for all...and have a hangar full of slaves. I keep telling them to hang on, I will free them as soon as I can but I think some of them are starting to not believe me. Molden Heath Local #473
The Ratfink Itto-Ryu Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2007.07.15 12:24:00 - [18] I'm a mimmatar who flys amarr ships who needs slaves for those ships but erm die amarrian scum?!? im confused
Hon Kovell Gallente Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.07.15 13:59:00 - [19] Enslaving offers work fine in an LP store, since they're just a commercial transaction, but offers to free slaves are a bit onerous for your average freedom fighters. It doesn't make sense for them to do anything other than free slaves if it's so easy. It also wouldn't make much sense for the corp behind the offer to not do so. Other possible means are a rare trade mission (could be a problem since all trade missions were removed in the great mission death a few patches back), an escalation leading to ... a trade mission (okay, same possible problem), or an offer just like the old agent offers. While you're at it, would it be hard to bring back the occasional non-isk reward for missions? That small touch made missions a lot more interesting even if the end result is still just isk in asset form.

CCP Chronotis	Posted - 2007.07.15 14:07:00 - [20] You may be interested to know that capsuleers will in the near future have access to starbase facilities designed to aid the conversion of slaves to freed slaves and eventually to join the rebellion as freedom fighters and vice versa in a similar vein, the Amarrians will have access to turn refugees or freed slaves back to slaves and with time and 'specialised training' into kameiras.

Evanda Char Minmatar Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari	Posted - 2007.07.15 14:20:00 - [21] If we could also have the option to then educate freed slaves into "job" roles, that would be spiffy, like the old "Slave transformation" offer. -Eva- Electus Matari - taking it one bad guy at a time
Tsukiko Ishida Amarr Emanation Of Malevolent Outcries	Posted - 2007.07.15 14:29:00 - [22] Originally by: Evanda Char If we could also have the option to then educate freed slaves into "job" roles, that would be spiffy, like the old "Slave transformation" offer. Yea, like Militants into Kameiras. Since the new evebay, you can not sell or trade them. FAILEDÖ
Amantus Gallente Murientor Tribe	Posted - 2007.07.15 15:24:00 - [23] Originally by: CCP Chronotis You may be interested to know that capsuleers will in the near future have access to starbase facilities designed to aid the conversion of slaves to freed slaves and eventually to join the rebellion as freedom fighters and vice versa in a similar vein, the Amarrians will have access to turn refugees or freed slaves back to slaves and with time and 'specialised training' into kameiras. \o/ That's so damn awesome. ------------
Mattduk Gallente Universal Army	Posted - 2007.07.15 15:42:00 - [24] Originally by: Scagga Laebetrovo This is essential! What do you expect heathens to do with slaves anyway? Get them to update your killboard for you? Just a suggestion :P Mattduk
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.07.15 16:08:00 - [25] maybe even allow for some on foot combat with your npc? you said there would be a hybrid rts planet game. or something :P I'm just saying people are shooting each other up all of the time in eve lore :) ----------------------------------- I'm working my way through college target CCP
SiJira	Posted - 2007.07.15 16:12:00 - [26] Originally by: CCP Chronotis You may be interested to know that capsuleers will in the near future have access to starbase facilities designed to aid the conversion of slaves to freed slaves and eventually to join the rebellion as freedom fighters and vice versa in a similar vein, the Amarrians will have access to turn refugees or freed slaves back to slaves and with time and 'specialised training' into kameiras. i liked your blog about your first day as CCP ____ __ ________ _sig below_ the jet cans are made so that people that dont mine can get free ore miners ritually donate the ore to anyone wishing to take some
Mysticaa Gallente Fringe Roamers of Goa	Posted - 2007.07.15 16:18:00 - [27] Originally by: Scagga Laebetrovo This is essential! What do you expect heathens to do with slaves anyway? Imagine that PvP without the pew pew. Essential? Absolutly! I may even make a board to keep track of which side is winning ----------------------------------------------- Why do I post here? Originally by: Tao Han "TANK CEO!!!" Quick Wrangler, to the Banmobile!!! Sig snatched by Xorus
Dorian Mystos Amarr Mystos Enterprises	Posted - 2007.07.15 16:23:00 - [28] Originally by: CCP Chronotis You may be interested to know that capsuleers will in the near future have access to starbase facilities designed to aid the conversion of slaves to freed slaves and eventually to join the rebellion as freedom fighters and vice versa in a similar vein, the Amarrians will have access to turn refugees or freed slaves back to slaves and with time and 'specialised training' into kameiras. Does that mean that NPC trade goods will be revamped in some way? Looking at the Domain market history shows that if there were a passenger type that anyone would want to sell it would be slaves. All other passengers usually sell for less than slaves and have abysmal demand, most not going over 1000 units on any day, while slaves trade in the tens of thousands regularly. Without creating some need for converting passengers of one type to another, either in the market or by adding different passengers to star base fuel requirements it would seem that the addition of this feature would just be a way to waste isk. I like the concept, but converting an items with moderate demand and decent profit into an item with little demand and probably no profit after star base costs seems kind of pointless.
Mysticaa Gallente Fringe Roamers of Goa	Posted - 2007.07.15 16:36:00 - [29] Oh I could see the value.. Minmater mission: Free X number of slaves for Y amount of LP Amar Mission: Enslave X number of Y type passenger for Z amount of LP CCP could also make differnt types of slaves.. i.e. Enslaved Scientist, Enslaved Gallente Tourist. Then the missions to free them could be tailored to the new types of slaves. Then Ammar customs could confiscate the new slaves from non-ammar players or those with low ammar faction standing. With fines of various levels based on the value of the slaves to the empire. ----------------------------------------------- Why do I post here? Originally by: Tao Han "TANK CEO!!!" Quick Wrangler, to the Banmobile!!! Sig snatched by Xorus
Suva Medinna Minmatar Acme Technologies Incorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.07.15 17:00:00 - [30] Slavery, being the abominable practice (and game mechanic) in Eve that it is, must be countered, and we need the ability to free, educate, and better the lives of these brothers in chains. I would like the option to do that. as far as the mechanics of doing it, for example, refugees could be trained as science grads, etc. these people could be instrumental in invention, and production. and on the other side of the coin, those pesky Slaver devils need a way to enslave and fulfill their misguided religious beliefs, etc.
Darius Shakor Minmatar Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari	Posted - 2007.07.15 17:10:00 - [31] Originally by: CCP Chronotis You may be interested to know that capsuleers will in the near future have access to starbase facilities designed to aid the conversion of slaves to freed slaves and eventually to join the rebellion as freedom fighters and vice versa in a similar vein, the Amarrians will have access to turn refugees or freed slaves back to slaves and with time and 'specialised training' into kameiras. Excelent, thanks for the response here. Just an observation though, they don't all have to convert to freedom fighters. That doesn't work for everyone's RP, such as Electus Matari. Ushra'Khan and the like will deffinately find that a great addition but Electus Matari and NMTZ for example is more likely to desire to turn them into productive members of society instead of fighters. How about a structure requiring comodities, based on the reactor design for POS. So like you put a slave in and something fairly nice and fluffy and end up with the possibility of a science graduate and such. Or it could go wrong and he could turn into a homeless person. Put the slave in with a khumaak or some light arms, and they turn into the freedom fighter. And converting freed slaves, put them in with guns and they make Kameiras. Put them in with Pax Amarria and they become slaves. And special secret spices added to make elite slaves and such. Again, it could go wrong and they end up with something filthy. So in short, please make it complex and interesting with potential to backfire on all sides. ------ Shakor Clan Information Portal
Damitre	Posted - 2007.07.15 17:17:00 - [32] I would love to see slaves having both a RP weight (other than station/dead weight) as use for LP, for Starbase fueling (definitely RP) or even as a cross-racial bonus. (for example, I have a Minmatar working for an Amarr corp doing Amarr missions, to increase my standings with the hostile agents, they could ask for me to bring x slaves before I could start missions with them, and vice-versa) This would solve the "I want to do Gallente missions, but I don't want to have to build Minmatar relations first, or build a gallante char!"
Lord Wamphyri Amarr Starside Lost	Posted - 2007.07.15 17:51:00 - [33] Well, I came across a few 'freed' slaves loitering in my hangar, and as they were unwilling to resume their former, er - careers, I just shoved them in a jetcan and popped it.. problem solved! MUHAHAHAHA! My EVE Tattoo! Consider yourself done - Cortes
Mnengli Noiliffe	Posted - 2007.07.15 17:55:00 - [34] hmm interesting. so you can free slaves at minmatar stations and enslave people in amarr stations right? but, how do you haul the slaves to the minnie station to free them, without slaves being confiscated/destroyed by the customs? this needs some thought me thinks.
Kabajashi San Minmatar	Posted - 2007.07.15 18:32:00 - [35] you can always smuggle them with the right set of skills or a contract to a smuggler. But I agree it would be better if there was a way to do that "officially". On the topic: signed. RP-wise it is a shame for a Matari to store slaves in a hangar with nothing to do with them.
Mithfindel Amarr Ordo Crucis Argenteus	Posted - 2007.07.15 19:14:00 - [36] Summa summarum, In the future there's going to be a starbase (POS) module that allows the conversion to and from slaves. Wishlist includes the following operations (possibly distributed as 'blueprint' style 'training packages'?): - Slave -> Freed Slave (Minmatar) - Freed Slave, Refugee, Freedom Fighter -> Slave (Amarr) - Slave -> Kameira, Janitor, some other 'useful' vocation (Amarr, or SoE for the peaceful vocations) - Freed Slave, Refugee -> Freedom Fighter, Janitor, etc. (Minmatar, or SoE for the peaceful vocations)
Kabajashi San Minmatar	Posted - 2007.07.15 20:14:00 - [37] Why does it have to be POS? Could be in a npc station as well. RP-Wise it would make sense.
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.15 20:19:00 - [38] Originally by: Mithfindel Summa summarum, In the future there's going to be a starbase (POS) module that allows the conversion to and from slaves. Wishlist includes the following operations (possibly distributed as 'blueprint' style 'training packages'?): - Slave -> Freed Slave (Minmatar) - Freed Slave, Refugee, Freedom Fighter -> Slave (Amarr) - Slave -> Kameira, Janitor, some other 'useful' vocation (Amarr, or SoE for the peaceful vocations) - Freed Slave, Refugee -> Freedom Fighter, Janitor, etc. (Minmatar, or SoE for the peaceful vocations) Can the Gallente turn them in to exotic dancers? Pretty please? --------
Raem Civrie Sons of Enelaise Enelaise	Posted - 2007.07.15 20:38:00 - [39] When will we get to refine them? ---- All you do is bark, you never meow
Arnulf Ogunkoya Minmatar The Causality Electus Matari	Posted - 2007.07.15 20:50:00 - [40] Originally by: Kabajashi San Why does it have to be POS? Could be in a npc station as well. RP-Wise it would make sense. Well if it's at a POS then there is an incentive to place the structures that do this in low-sec where customs aren't an issue. This would match up with CCP's general policy of encouraging us to go into the more dangerous parts of the world. Seems fine to me. Regards, State of the Art Bang-Bang.
Nefrin Maldoes	Posted - 2007.07.15 23:58:00 - [41] /agree Bring back a way to free the slaves.
Daravel Caldari Winds of Dawn	Posted - 2007.07.16 00:23:00 - [42] Just a really random thought, not sure if it's cropped up yet... You all speak of changing slaves into 'free slaves' and then whatever, couldn't you make it so that the RP'ers can turn them into (after a bit of work) something that other players can actually use? (ship crew?), something that actually has a real effect on the game as a whole. It would really deepen the impact the RP'ers have, rather than it being a more internalised thing, it effects everyone.
Vladimir Ilych Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2007.07.16 14:31:00 - [43] I add my voice to this request. Maybe a small thing for CCP but an important thing to us.
SiJira	Posted - 2007.07.16 14:40:00 - [44] i want to enslave all the minmatar in this thread will there be such an option? ____ __ ________ _sig below_ the jet cans are made so that people that dont mine can get free ore miners ritually donate the ore to anyone wishing to take some
djenghis jan Amarr Debiloff's Vanguard	Posted - 2007.07.16 14:45:00 - [45] It would be nice to have a prison pos where you can store captured pods who have to mine a certain amount of ore until being released somewhere back in empire.
Ugleb Khumatari Holdings Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.07.16 20:24:00 - [46] Originally by: Daravel Just a really random thought, not sure if it's cropped up yet... You all speak of changing slaves into 'free slaves' and then whatever, couldn't you make it so that the RP'ers can turn them into (after a bit of work) something that other players can actually use? (ship crew?), something that actually has a real effect on the game as a whole. It would really deepen the impact the RP'ers have, rather than it being a more internalised thing, it effects everyone. Utterly agreed, and its one of the Amarr/Minnie conflicts biggest sticking points. There is presently no day to day reason for a non-rp'er to trade slaves or their free equivalents. I think Amarrian control towers should consume slaves to run those unsafe and dirty reactors in place of robotics or whatever. Why use expensive, sophisticated automation whebn you can just chuck another slave inside? The starbase structure concept sounds promising, just please make it something that does not require sovereignty or a large tower to mount it on. Sticking it up in low-sec should do fine.
Kim Chee Caldari	Posted - 2007.07.16 21:21:00 - [47] Edited by: Kim Chee on 16/07/2007 21:21:12 Originally by: Raem Civrie When will we get to refine them? Doesn't that generate Quaffe?
Adonis 4174	Posted - 2007.07.16 21:25:00 - [48] No, no, refined slaves become academics. ----- Currently playing: Hello Kitty Online Character: Evil Kitty of DEATH
Ryas Nia Minmatar Stormriders Fimbulwinter	Posted - 2007.07.17 07:07:00 - [49] We at fimbulwinter would rather like the chance to turn slaves into militants, freedom fighters, and terrorists. It would also be very very very very cool if we could use these people to affect the sovereignty or control of stations in contested regions. Say Fimbulwinter or UK placed 20k Militants in the station in Lamma (Bleaklands), in 7 days sovereignty could be contested, and it would shift to the Minmtarar republic. Just an idea, im sure it would require more than the 45 seconds i put into it :P Recruiting Terrorists
Vladimir Ilych Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2007.07.17 07:25:00 - [50] Originally by: CCP Chronotis You may be interested to know that capsuleers will in the near future have access to starbase facilities designed to aid the conversion of slaves to freed slaves and eventually to join the rebellion as freedom fighters and vice versa in a similar vein, the Amarrians will have access to turn refugees or freed slaves back to slaves and with time and 'specialised training' into kameiras. Thank you CCP
Senghir Amarr Khanid Provincial Vanguard Khanid Provincial Authority	Posted - 2007.07.17 23:08:00 - [51] Originally by: CCP Chronotis You may be interested to know that capsuleers will in the near future have access to starbase facilities designed to aid the conversion of slaves to freed slaves and eventually to join the rebellion as freedom fighters and vice versa in a similar vein, the Amarrians will have access to turn refugees or freed slaves back to slaves and with time and 'specialised training' into kameiras. Oh man oh man oh man. I'm wetting my pants already! I loved having these offers about before and was just ready to write a petition about bringing the offers back (well actually I did, and then I got asked to file a bug report??? zuh...). Anyway, one google search finds this thread and I'm so glad to see others have the same feelings. My character is a Slave Trader through and through, up until now I've had to RP my way through it, but with this new system I will be able to devote my EVE time 100% to slave trading. You mention 'specialised training'; well if that means skills then I'll be anxiosuly clicking my way from I to V. Thankyou!!!!
Gaven Lok'ri Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.07.18 08:07:00 - [52] Edited by: Gaven Lok''ri on 18/07/2007 08:07:10 While its nice to add neat sounding RP features to the 0.0 control game... Please bring back the official offers as well. Some of us are more interested in working with the Empire IC than beside it. Deus Vult! PIE Website Public Channel: 'PIE Public'
Garan Savlar Gallente Twilight Operations	Posted - 2007.07.21 10:55:00 - [53] /signed ------------------------------------------------ Faugh-A-Ballaugh!
Siri Blue Gallente Avis de Captura	Posted - 2007.07.21 17:36:00 - [54] Edited by: Siri Blue on 21/07/2007 17:38:54 Why did you remove the Agent offer mails once a day or so anyways? There is no reason we cannot have the LP shop AND the specific agent offers at the same time! This way all the low and high end offers would still be in game...and special stuff like converting slaves and so on...
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2007.07.21 17:40:00 - [55] Originally by: Adonis 4174 No, no, refined slaves become academics. More like academic becomes slave if you're a programmer. --- Originally by: CCP Wrangler You're not supposed to feel like you're logging in to a happy, happy, fluffy, fluffy lala land filled with fun and adventures, thats what hello kitty online is for.
Maggot Minmatar Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.07.21 17:41:00 - [56] For the love of Eve, more features tied around POS grind!¼ Whilst we appreciate the thought, POS are not exactly flavour of the month. Its great if you bring in these new structures but at least let there be alternatives. Maggot.
Elsebeth Rhiannon Minmatar Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2007.08.03 12:58:00 - [57] Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri Please bring back the official offers as well. Some of us are more interested in working with the Empire IC than beside it. I can't say how excited I am of the possibility of running the underground railroad and refugee camp (you heard nothing, slaver scum :P) with actual ingame mechanics to support it. Yet I have to agree with Gaven (I did not say that, either :P), having also the official offers back, or in any case something you can do on the stations with the factions would be good too, to provide for those of us who prefer to really be loyal IC to the factions in the game. Maybe make it so that you can do it much more effectively with the POS structures than by grinding missions? -- Help us defend the Republic; join Gradient today.
Onnen Mentar Murientor Tribe	Posted - 2007.08.03 13:20:00 - [58] Originally by: CCP Chronotis You may be interested to know that capsuleers will in the near future have access to starbase facilities designed to aid the conversion of slaves to freed slaves and eventually to join the rebellion as freedom fighters and vice versa in a similar vein, the Amarrians will have access to turn refugees or freed slaves back to slaves and with time and 'specialised training' into kameiras. Good news. I'm looking forward to the near future then. An option for the same to happen through agent interaction is needed as well. Would be great if this could influence standings too.

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