Yes Jack, your e-peen is beter than the rest of us. I'm sure you would tell me to move up to a real WH. I'd say, I moved into a C1 when I had been playing all of 5 months. From that point on (Been in here since around september) I've been pulling in 3-3.5bil a month for very little playtime. A large part of that is PI.

Now yes, if i were a 3+ year old toon such as yourself, this would be a pittance. But for a character that doesnt even fly anything shiny enough for incursions, it's pretty good.

Sure, once I reach a level where I could fly in a C4+ I probably wouldnt care about the PI isk.
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you can run c4's easily, it just takes some time to figure out the fleets (or an hour forum research). However, for what jack is doing you need to fly capitals on multiply accounts at the same time. that said.......his e-Peen is massive indeed!.

making money in wh space is about your static connection, providing infinite money. want more? get a c2-c4 static wormhole and collapse when it runs dry. you dont have to make 10b a weekend, after a few b you stop doing that anyway.

Yes I am closer now. But when I first dove into a WH the only combat ships I had for a C1 was a myrm and t1 fit drake. Yes now I have 2 tengu pilots so I can (and probably will be ) upgrading at some point.

My main point being that not everyone in EVE, living in WH's is at the level where they can fly caps, and run in C5+ wormholes. But they can still make good isk, especially if they do more than just farm the sites.

you can use tengu's and therefor do any class

class 3: 1
class 4: 3
class 5: 5
class 6: 7

Again fellas, I'm not feeling it's a dry spot. We really are making nothing. Just did 2 radars and 6 combats: 1 nano.

I would also second this.
And yes I am well aware of the general train of thought about how spawns work in wormholes before anyone asks that.

We have lived in our current hole for around 8 months now and in wh-space for alot longer than that.
The combat sites have all but dried up, maybe getting 2-3 sites/week at the moment.
This appears to be the case in alot of holes that we get connects to also.

We recently had a connection to a C4 hole.....on eveeye no activity in the hole for almost 10 days
and only 7 combats in the system.

The fact that ribbons have also gone up by around 2 mill in a short space of time might also hint at less
actually coming out of wh space in general.

Anyone else finding this type of thing happening ?
Maybe things will get better again after the patch tomorrow...who knows

I would also second this.
And yes I am well aware of the general train of thought about how spawns work in wormholes before anyone asks that.

We have lived in our current hole for around 8 months now and in wh-space for alot longer than that.
The combat sites have all but dried up, maybe getting 2-3 sites/week at the moment.
This appears to be the case in alot of holes that we get connects to also.

We recently had a connection to a C4 hole.....on eveeye no activity in the hole for almost 10 days
and only 7 combats in the system.

The fact that ribbons have also gone up by around 2 mill in a short space of time might also hint at less
actually coming out of wh space in general.

Anyone else finding this type of thing happening ?
Maybe things will get better again after the patch tomorrow...who knows

Nanoribbons per wreck (and by extension, per site) is random. Random is random.

Now, the number of complete sites you get spawning in your WH per hour/day/week/month is entirely dependent on someone else doing them, somewhere else in that wormhole constellation.

If you couple this with the nanoribbon prices themselves, you come to one conclusion: people are not running as many sleeper sites.

And why would you? Capital escalation aside, you earn more per hour in a highsec Incursion.

WH space is very, very, very quiet since Incursions came around.

Again, there is no such thing as random. And there are no goons.

What you're referring to as random is an algorithm designed to reduce or rather to spread resource bias and local redundancies.

Nanoribbons per wreck (and by extension, per site) is random. Random is random.

Now, the number of complete sites you get spawning in your WH per hour/day/week/month is entirely dependent on someone else doing them, somewhere else in that wormhole constellation.

If you couple this with the nanoribbon prices themselves, you come to one conclusion: people are not running as many sleeper sites.

And why would you? Capital escalation aside, you earn more per hour in a highsec Incursion.

WH space is very, very, very quiet since Incursions came around.

I would say that the above factors in bold have probably contributed to this.
Certainly from looking on eveeye at the 7 day constellation activity chart it would appear that the sleeper
kill rates have dropped by a huge number which would also tally up with the above comments regarding spawns.

One thing tho is that Incursions have been around for around a year or so now....this wormhole spawn drop rate
I can only see as far back as maybe the crucible release or maybe shortly after that.

Right, and the theory for this could just as well be explained by less valuable wormholes. You could actually put the 2 theories together.

Again, there is no such thing as random. And there are no goons.

What you're referring to as random is an algorithm designed to reduce or rather to spread resource bias and local redundancies.

I think he was being sarcastic :P

These guys obviously have their ducks in a row and a solid background in statistics. I see no reason to try and refute their data.


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Just got 7 ribbons from a C1 WH site.

It may be just bad luck, but it is reasonable to think that there's something else than randomness when you only get 1-3 nanoribbons from anomalies in a C3... everyday for two weeks in a row.

Ever study probability and statistics?

It's ok though. In another week when you suddenly get a huge number of ribbon drops you can come back singing CCP's praises that they fixed it.

You ever listen to a modern mathematician or theoretical scientist? Random is a word to a concept of what we can't fully explain. Just like "The earth is flat, everything points to flat, just except it". So very many things have pattern, the chaosticians and staticians themselves struggle to explain this.

As for the point to my delusion, I'm sure it could be. I won't throw that out of the possibilities for a minute and would prefer it to be the truth really. But 4 months is far from delusion. "If your friend's dad loses his job, it's a recession. If you're dad loses his job, it's a depression". We're feeling the hurt, folks are leaving. If it's a winter, than it's pretty damn bitter.

No, it really is random. As in, there is a chance per wreck of getting a nanoribbon. There is no algorithm which tries to "spread" that randomness around, since random is random. Nothing affects the chance; it is random.

This exact topic has been debated on these forums since 2009 - someone new always pops up, claiming a "stealth nanoribbon nerf."

Incidentally, someone always pops up and says "since patch [name here] all my invention jobs are failing more ... stealth invention nerf?" No ... random is random.

No one has ever been able to prove it, other than "like, we totally used to get more dude!"

To prove a decrease, you will need to show some figures. Start ACTUALLY counting the ribbons per site.

n.b. at this point, it is much more likely that your salvager(s) are keeping some for themselves and claiming bad luck

Yes,

I graduated with a degree in mathematics. Wasn't half bad at it either, until I took an arrow to the knee.