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Captain Evenwel StoneCutterz Shotgun Weddings 3	Posted - 2012.01.09 18:35:00 - [1] - Quote At first I thought we had hit a stroke of bad luck with combat sites in our C2 and C1 Wormholes, but the problem has become increasingly difficult to shrug off. I have personally ran 8-10 sites solo and totaled less than 40 mil in total reward. It's pathetic as before I was making close to 110-145 mil after splitting the loot between corpmates. The key profit being nanoribbons in C2's leaves us scraping through 4 or 5 hangars or libraries without find so much as a single nanoribbon. It's becoming pathetic and frankly depressing. My question to the community: Is anyone else experiencing this ****, please let the voice be heard if so. As for the Devs: Did we get nerfed? This is a primary source of income for our new players as they learn the ropes of New Eden and we teach them all the PvP skills to be able to sustain themselves. Without it, we've got very little in terms of isk, save for the PI ops which are now the solo source of income for the POS we have running (at 100% effiecncy due to recent Crucible expansion) Please, for the sake of the children, can we have our appeal for a new singularity space cow?
XXSketchxx Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 79	Posted - 2012.01.09 18:51:00 - [2] - Quote Dry spells happen. Random salvage is random. This is what you experience living in C1/C2 wormholes.
Derath Ellecon Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal 109	Posted - 2012.01.09 18:56:00 - [3] - Quote XXSketchxx wrote: Dry spells happen. Random salvage is random. This is what you experience living in C1/C2 wormholes. This. I ran an easy C1 yesterday (perimeter ambush point) and got 11 ribbons from it. Ran one today, 2 ribbons.
Kinthi Miriani Perkone Caldari State 0	Posted - 2012.01.09 19:11:00 - [4] - Quote Any unfairness or bug you perceive in this regard is entirely psychological in nature. Randomness is random. I bet there are people who think what you're experiencing is the norm and consider it lucky when they make 145mill a piece.
Jack Miton Lapse Of Sanity Narwhals Ate My Duck 90	Posted - 2012.01.09 19:50:00 - [5] - Quote Solution would be to move to a real WH. Nano drops from c1-2 sites are junk, always have been.
Substantia Nigra NFI industrial Revival Of The Talocan Empire 313	Posted - 2012.01.09 21:31:00 - [6] - Quote Captain Evenwel wrote: At first I thought we had hit a stroke of bad luck with combat sites in our C2 and C1 Wormholes, but the problem has become increasingly difficult to shrug off. We just went thru a rough spell in a couple of our not-C1/2 w-systems. A combination of very few sites spawning and awful ribbon drops from the ones we cleared. I was starting to get despondent (despite my knwoing that these things vary over time) and wonder whether something had been quietly nerfed. Two days ago that changed. I am getting more anoms spawning than I can clear in a session and they seem to have taken nanoribbon steroids, given the drops. I haven't yet seen a resurgence in mag/radar sites, but am expecting it to soon follow. I am rationalising that it's a reflection of the ppl in my regionas / constellations taking time off over the holiday period ... the cheek of them. Take heart, random is random and it all stabilises out over time. Generally w-space effort requires a long-term view to keep going thru these inevitable lean periods. We can build and sell pretty much every ship. Check my bio for details. Our pirate epic arc completion packages really are very good: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=12973&find=unread
Trinkets friend Obstergo NEM3SIS. 83	Posted - 2012.01.09 23:24:00 - [7] - Quote The less people do the anoms in your region/constellation and the more accumulate in quiet systems, the less income you'll eventually get. Then someone will stumble in and grind 30 sites in a day and they'll start respawning into your system. The same goes for gravs and ladars. Often our C4 would go weeks without seeing any, then we'd have 3 a day for a week. The skilful employer of men will employ the wise man, the brave man, the covetous man, and the stupid man. Sun Tzu
Endeavour Starfleet Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 529	Posted - 2012.01.10 01:17:00 - [8] - Quote Take a dice in a cup and do a bunch of rolls. Do this every day or even every hour... You will have a number of times where you hit high numbers and times where you hit low. Dry spells will happen even with that. Now take that and imagine many many MANY times that happening every time something spawns. (In hardware obviously) Actually CCP if you are reading this is there anything you can reveal to us about the random system EVE uses? Is it some kind of direct noise reading based ethropy like /dev/random ? Or something in house written? Just curious. I obviously don't want to know if it also powers your encryption systems. Just curious about what goes into rat spawns.
Captain Evenwel StoneCutterz Shotgun Weddings 3	Posted - 2012.01.11 06:09:00 - [9] - Quote Substantia Nigra wrote: Captain Evenwel wrote: At first I thought we had hit a stroke of bad luck with combat sites in our C2 and C1 Wormholes, but the problem has become increasingly difficult to shrug off. We just went thru a rough spell in a couple of our not-C1/2 w-systems. A combination of very few sites spawning and awful ribbon drops from the ones we cleared. I was starting to get despondent (despite my knwoing that these things vary over time) and wonder whether something had been quietly nerfed. Two days ago that changed. I am getting more anoms spawning than I can clear in a session and they seem to have taken nanoribbon steroids, given the drops. I haven't yet seen a resurgence in mag/radar sites, but am expecting it to soon follow. I am rationalising that it's a reflection of the ppl in my regionas / constellations taking time off over the holiday period ... the cheek of them. Take heart, random is random and it all stabilises out over time. Generally w-space effort requires a long-term view to keep going thru these inevitable lean periods. Appreciate it, it's been a little rough for the guys. Been going on for several months now, seemed a little more than a 'site trough' as we get those every few months. But it was more like a drought. I mean nothing...10 sites in 1 week and not a single ribbon...I mean this has been on since Mid October/ Early November. Glad to hear we're not entirely alone though. You might be right, there has always seemed to be several pattern sets in relevance to exits and sites. Maybe you're right...just hope it ends soon.
Felstaff Celium Leeole's Legion 1	Posted - 2012.01.11 06:11:00 - [10] - Quote Can't speak about C1's or C2's, but the C3's I have been farming are as random as ever. Roll through three C3's, first two have no combats or sigs to scan down. The third one has 40 combats, and 30 sigs to scan. Clear 6 sites and get 3 ribbons, take a break for food and bio then get 8 ribbons in 2 sites. If you have lived in a WH for more then 3 months, you know nothing is ever the same. One nice thing about not seeing K-space for months or weeks, is that when I do, the loot I take out is normally about the same value each time. Hi plus low = average. My corp can burn through over 100 combats in a month and get anything from zero to ten ribbons per combat site. If that is not evidence enough of the RNG Gods at work, the fact that it has been that way for over a year is (at least for me!).
Captain Evenwel StoneCutterz Shotgun Weddings 3	Posted - 2012.01.11 06:13:00 - [11] - Quote XXSketchxx wrote: Dry spells happen. Random salvage is random. This is what you experience living in C1/C2 wormholes. We've been doing WH's of all sizes for years. Profit is in the PI and c4-6 raids. For our beginers here it's been more of a drought than a dry spell.
Hathrul DEEP-SPACE CO-OP LTD Narwhals Ate My Duck 26	Posted - 2012.01.11 13:51:00 - [12] - Quote random things are rather random. no matter what class, sometimes you dont get much for nanoribbons for days, and then you strike gold a few times. If you want better income, go to class 4 or higher where your main income is the blue loot anyway, and nanoribbons are just a nice extra
carnivore2k4 PROJECT DEEPSPACE 1	Posted - 2012.01.12 12:57:00 - [13] - Quote And you know what's the best thing about randomness? Eventually it averages itself out ;) Just checked the last few payouts for out C4 anos and every time it came down to approximately 100 million per ano flown with a variation of maybe 5% up or down and payout after 30 to 60 anos.
Xuse Senna Crytec Enterprises SRS. 155	Posted - 2012.01.12 13:23:00 - [14] - Quote Our WH's a little dry atm :P but should pick up soon thats the WH game :D D3
FloppieTheBanjoClown The Skunkworks Petition Blizzard 756	Posted - 2012.01.12 16:03:00 - [15] - Quote I daytrip C1s and C2s for isk-making. I've never had a problem with MNR drop rates. Need to do it again soon, I need to build a stupidly expensive ship for the lolz :)
Rythm True Power Team 11	Posted - 2012.01.12 21:25:00 - [16] - Quote somehow chance of the drop depends on the speed of your salvaging. looks like there's hidden variable which says that you cannot get more than X ribbons in Y amount of time.
Jack Miton Lapse Of Sanity Narwhals Ate My Duck 93	Posted - 2012.01.13 01:49:00 - [17] - Quote Rythm wrote: somehow chance of the drop depends on the speed of your salvaging. looks like there's hidden variable which says that you cannot get more than X ribbons in Y amount of time. ^calling bullcrap on this... Captain Evenwel wrote: Profit is in the PI ^this made me spray my coffee on my monitor if you really think that is the case, you need to learn how to run WH sites.
Rythm True Power Team 11	Posted - 2012.01.13 02:05:00 - [18] - Quote Jack Miton wrote: Rythm wrote: somehow chance of the drop depends on the speed of your salvaging. looks like there's hidden variable which says that you cannot get more than X ribbons in Y amount of time. ^calling bullcrap on this... Captain Evenwel wrote: Profit is in the PI ^this made me spray my coffee on my monitor if you really think that is the case, you need to learn how to run WH sites. just try lol. I've heard ibis with t1 salvager works best.
Captain Evenwel StoneCutterz Shotgun Weddings 3	Posted - 2012.01.13 03:03:00 - [19] - Quote Jack Miton wrote: Rythm wrote: somehow chance of the drop depends on the speed of your salvaging. looks like there's hidden variable which says that you cannot get more than X ribbons in Y amount of time. ^calling bullcrap on this... Captain Evenwel wrote: Profit is in the PI ^this made me spray my coffee on my monitor if you really think that is the case, you need to learn how to run WH sites. Just going to throw it out there and suggest that you haven't successfully attempted large-scale PI operations. We're talking C1's and 2's if you were reading. As such is the case, perhaps you should try and understand how to maximize PI. We make billions in our P3's and P4's. Problems is that to do that takes some serious day to day dedication. Not time, just comitment. Nobody want's to be that guy without at least a portion of contribution from others. PI is the main profit in low end WH's.
Derath Ellecon Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal 116	Posted - 2012.01.13 03:08:00 - [20] - Quote Jack Miton wrote: Rythm wrote: somehow chance of the drop depends on the speed of your salvaging. looks like there's hidden variable which says that you cannot get more than X ribbons in Y amount of time. ^calling bullcrap on this... Captain Evenwel wrote: Profit is in the PI ^this made me spray my coffee on my monitor if you really think that is the case, you need to learn how to run WH sites. LOL me too. Cause if you read his OP, he is talking about C1 and C2. I don't care how good you are running C1 sites, you will likely make more off your PI alts.
St Mio Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 288	Posted - 2012.01.13 05:44:00 - [21] - Quote Rythm wrote: somehow chance of the drop depends on the speed of your salvaging. looks like there's hidden variable which says that you cannot get more than X ribbons in Y amount of time. I was told that if you salvage them REALLY fast, they don't get a chance to melt, and then you'll get Intact Nanoribbons! Also, this way they don't all melt together, so you get a lot more of them too!
Jack Miton Lapse Of Sanity Narwhals Ate My Duck 93	Posted - 2012.01.13 08:20:00 - [22] - Quote Captain Evenwel wrote: Just going to throw it out there and suggest that you haven't successfully attempted large-scale PI operations. We're talking C1's and 2's if you were reading. As such is the case, perhaps you should try and understand how to maximize PI. We make billions in our P3's and P4's. Problems is that to do that takes some serious day to day dedication. Not time, just comitment. Nobody want's to be that guy without at least a portion of contribution from others. PI is the main profit in low end WH's. unless you're making more than a bil/hour, i'm not impressed.
Trinkets friend Obstergo NEM3SIS. 87	Posted - 2012.01.13 10:25:00 - [23] - Quote Are you talking per hour put into PI, or every hour you're running it? 20 mins of button mashing and scooping every 2 days and 30M ISK per day was what I was getting doing P2's. That's about 180M per hour of actual gaming invested in the enterprise. The skilful employer of men will employ the wise man, the brave man, the covetous man, and the stupid man. Sun Tzu
Captain Evenwel StoneCutterz Shotgun Weddings 3	Posted - 2012.01.13 17:44:00 - [24] - Quote Jack Miton wrote: Captain Evenwel wrote: Just going to throw it out there and suggest that you haven't successfully attempted large-scale PI operations. We're talking C1's and 2's if you were reading. As such is the case, perhaps you should try and understand how to maximize PI. We make billions in our P3's and P4's. Problems is that to do that takes some serious day to day dedication. Not time, just comitment. Nobody want's to be that guy without at least a portion of contribution from others. PI is the main profit in low end WH's. unless you're making more than a bil/hour, i'm not impressed. Ha ha he, well I can't impress you, impress me.
Captain Evenwel StoneCutterz Shotgun Weddings 3	Posted - 2012.01.13 17:54:00 - [25] - Quote Trinkets friend wrote: Are you talking per hour put into PI, or every hour you're running it? 20 mins of button mashing and scooping every 2 days and 30M ISK per day was what I was getting doing P2's. That's about 180M per hour of actual gaming invested in the enterprise. No we're not talking billions per hour my friend. We run about 3 accounts from some dead mains and there alt toons. What it comes down to is a self-paid 9-toon PI harvest of 7 planets in a C2. The numbers aren't really mine as I don't lead the PI, but to make a rough speculation we're making essentially 60-70 mil a day with bare minimum effort (as there is indeed way too much button mashing). The prayer is that it will either become simplified or prices will go up with Dust wars. Not sure what "...180M per hour of actual gaming invested..." means. Are talking Opp. costs? And just for the sake of thread clarification where do you operate?
Captain Evenwel StoneCutterz Shotgun Weddings 3	Posted - 2012.01.13 17:55:00 - [26] - Quote Again fellas, I'm not feeling it's a dry spot. We really are making nothing. Just did 2 radars and 6 combats: 1 nano.
Jack Miton Lapse Of Sanity Narwhals Ate My Duck 93	Posted - 2012.01.13 20:17:00 - [27] - Quote Captain Evenwel wrote: Trinkets friend wrote: Are you talking per hour put into PI, or every hour you're running it? 20 mins of button mashing and scooping every 2 days and 30M ISK per day was what I was getting doing P2's. That's about 180M per hour of actual gaming invested in the enterprise. No we're not talking billions per hour my friend. We run about 3 accounts from some dead mains and there alt toons. What it comes down to is a self-paid 9-toon PI harvest of 7 planets in a C2. The numbers aren't really mine as I don't lead the PI, but to make a rough speculation we're making essentially 60-70 mil a day with bare minimum effort (as there is indeed way too much button mashing). The prayer is that it will either become simplified or prices will go up with Dust wars. Not sure what "...180M per hour of actual gaming invested..." means. Are talking Opp. costs? And just for the sake of thread clarification where do you operate? 60-70mil/day isnt enough to make me even boot up eve if im after isk... when you consider you can very easily make 10+ bil each in a weekend running high end combat sites with 2-3 people with the right characters, any amount of isk youre going to make doing PI becomes trivial to the point of being a total waste of time. hell, even running incursions at 100mil+ per hour per character makes running PI for profit a joke. only reason anyone should be running PI in a WH is to not have to haul in fuel from hisec.
1-Up Mushroom Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 1874	Posted - 2012.01.15 03:31:00 - [28] - Quote Jack Miton wrote: Captain Evenwel wrote: Trinkets friend wrote: Are you talking per hour put into PI, or every hour you're running it? 20 mins of button mashing and scooping every 2 days and 30M ISK per day was what I was getting doing P2's. That's about 180M per hour of actual gaming invested in the enterprise. No we're not talking billions per hour my friend. We run about 3 accounts from some dead mains and there alt toons. What it comes down to is a self-paid 9-toon PI harvest of 7 planets in a C2. The numbers aren't really mine as I don't lead the PI, but to make a rough speculation we're making essentially 60-70 mil a day with bare minimum effort (as there is indeed way too much button mashing). The prayer is that it will either become simplified or prices will go up with Dust wars. Not sure what "...180M per hour of actual gaming invested..." means. Are talking Opp. costs? And just for the sake of thread clarification where do you operate? 60-70mil/day isnt enough to make me even boot up eve if im after isk... when you consider you can very easily make 10+ bil each in a weekend running high end combat sites with 2-3 people with the right characters, any amount of isk youre going to make doing PI becomes trivial to the point of being a total waste of time. hell, even running incursions at 100mil+ per hour per character makes running PI for profit a joke. only reason anyone should be running PI in a WH is to not have to haul in fuel from hisec. Yea but if that 60-70m/day comes with only 30 minutes of work each/day, I'd way rather be doing that over 30 minutes of incursions 5 Senses In A Person... 4 Seasons In A Year... 3 Colors In A Stoplight... 2 Poles On The Earth... ONLY 1-UP MUSHROOM!!!-á If You Like My Sig, Like Me!-áRemember EVE is EVErything!
Trinkets friend Obstergo NEM3SIS. 93	Posted - 2012.01.15 06:14:00 - [29] - Quote Captain Evenwel wrote: Not sure what "...180M per hour of actual gaming invested..." means. Are talking Opp. costs? And just for the sake of thread clarification where do you operate? I mean, every 6 days I have spent an hour doing PI (usually when the static is dead and we're waiting out jump timers and probing the new static) which is, to whit, 20 mins day 0, 20 mins day 2, 20 mins day 4. Thus, over the course of 6 days (3 cycles) I have spent 60 minutes on PI, and made 180M. The skilful employer of men will employ the wise man, the brave man, the covetous man, and the stupid man. Sun Tzu
Derath Ellecon Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal 116	Posted - 2012.01.15 06:44:00 - [30] - Quote Captain Evenwel wrote: Again fellas, I'm not feeling it's a dry spot. We really are making nothing. Just did 2 radars and 6 combats: 1 nano. Face it, it is a dry spot. I've been in a C1 now and see the same sort of thing. I have gone for long stretches with no ribbons and then suddenly i'll get some dinky C1 site give up 11 ribbons at once. Jack Miton wrote: 60-70mil/day isnt enough to make me even boot up eve if im after isk... when you consider you can very easily make 10+ bil each in a weekend running high end combat sites with 2-3 people with the right characters, any amount of isk youre going to make doing PI becomes trivial to the point of being a total waste of time. hell, even running incursions at 100mil+ per hour per character makes running PI for profit a joke. only reason anyone should be running PI in a WH is to not have to haul in fuel from hisec. Yes Jack, your e-peen is beter than the rest of us. I'm sure you would tell me to move up to a real WH. I'd say, I moved into a C1 when I had been playing all of 5 months. From that point on (Been in here since around september) I've been pulling in 3-3.5bil a month for very little playtime. A large part of that is PI. Now yes, if i were a 3+ year old toon such as yourself, this would be a pittance. But for a character that doesnt even fly anything shiny enough for incursions, it's pretty good. Sure, once I reach a level where I could fly in a C4+ I probably wouldnt care about the PI isk. TLDR- It's all relative. 1-Up Mushroom wrote: Yea but if that 60-70m/day comes with only 30 minutes of work each/day, I'd way rather be doing that over 30 minutes of incursions That even seems high. I spend maybe 30min every 4 days restarting my planets. The rest of the time it is just log in, export/import.

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