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Gorongo Frostfyr
Shimohi Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2012.01.09 19:22:00 -
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because the space eve provides is full of nothing. it feels like a drawingboard with some fixpoints. even the belts are fix, fixed bananas. oh yea, i forgot scanning and exploration sites. :sad:
bigger belts, more stuff OK? i want more freelancer-feeling in eve, thanks. [/quality posting] |

Jenshae Chiroptera
410
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Posted - 2012.01.09 19:27:00 -
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Ho hum
Go play in science fiction space simulator in Second Life Ideas and stuff EVE - the game of sand castles, either building them or kicking them down. |

Soulpirate
State War Academy Caldari State
57
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Posted - 2012.01.09 19:31:00 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Ho humGo play in science fiction space simulator in Second Life I think you missed his point. It had nothing to do with WiS.
Bravo on the narrow minded reaction. |

Mars Theran
EVE Rogues EVE Rogues Alliance
43
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Posted - 2012.01.09 19:33:00 -
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I have to wonder if it's possible to creat the visible impression of a belt like the Kuipur belt in our system; extending in an endless ring around the Sun, while only having the actual asteroids visible on grid. If you wanted to change grids; you'd just have to warp to the next section of the belt.
Areas between could be vast tracks of Dust, small asteroids, and debris with no practical value; to extend the distance between useable belts and limt the number in a system, while having slightly larger grids.
The only problem I see with this, is it would still allow for a gret number of belts in a system; which would make for quite a potential problem should a great number of players decide to warp out to ever individual belt at the same time as they commonly do.
I don't really know how that is managed server-side; so no idea if it really matters. There are a great deal of belts in some systems too; so in some instances a measure of that is already in existance.
The little tiny wierdly curved belts are very odd, I'll agree. Quite often there curvature really has no bearing to the position of the planet or moon nearest them either.
Another option is replacing rings on planets with belts like this; which would make things much more interesting.
As for the rest: There is only so much you can do at this time; with hardware and programming limitations being what they are. Small steps.
Space is big, and it is also mostly empty; is another thing to keep in mind. |

Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
162
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Posted - 2012.01.09 19:37:00 -
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The OP should go try Planet Calypso for a while (its F2P) and see how :awesome: a full body avatar sci-fi game can be. They got flying and mining and crafting too!
/see you back here in a week. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |

ElQuirko
The Demonfuge Malevolent Fan Club
299
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Posted - 2012.01.09 19:39:00 -
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The reason space is called space is because it is... space.
Space where things could be, but aren't. Therefore, by definition flying in "space" is flying between stuff, not through stuff. Want more stuff? Go to WoW. That's my professional opinion which, while cliche, should hold up in any courtroom. |

Soulpirate
State War Academy Caldari State
57
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Posted - 2012.01.09 19:42:00 -
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Doc Fury wrote:The OP should go try Planet Calypso for a while (its F2P) and see how :awesome: a full body avatar sci-fi game can be. They got flying and mining and crafting too!
/see you back here in a week.
You too fail at getting the point of the OP.  |

Dessau
8
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Posted - 2012.01.09 19:45:00 -
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I dig the Big Empty, it adds the airs of isolation and vulnerability. Never know when or from where that peekaboo gankster will come... could be anywhere. |

Roscada
We love Egg
10
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Posted - 2012.01.09 19:46:00 -
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Seriously, and why are oceans filled with water? I can't breathe that ****. |

Atticus Fynch
295
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Posted - 2012.01.09 19:55:00 -
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I would like to see more natural phenomena.
Black holes, comets, quasars, pulsars, supernovas.....etc. Ideas to balance carebears and non-combat ships. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=605757&#post605757 |

ElQuirko
The Demonfuge Malevolent Fan Club
301
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Posted - 2012.01.09 19:57:00 -
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Atticus Fynch wrote:I would like to see more natural phenomena.
Black holes, comets, quasars, pulsars, supernovas.....etc.
How about this for phenomena? |

Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
162
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Posted - 2012.01.09 19:59:00 -
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Soulpirate wrote:Doc Fury wrote:The OP should go try Planet Calypso for a while (its F2P) and see how :awesome: a full body avatar sci-fi game can be. They got flying and mining and crafting too!
/see you back here in a week. You too fail at getting the point of the OP. 
Perhaps, but the Features and Ideas forum is that way ---->
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |

Valei Khurelem
124
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Posted - 2012.01.09 20:08:00 -
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I must beg CCP devs to go and play Freelancer so they get ideas on how to make a proper sci-fi game atmosphere, right now it's just empty space with nothing in it and a pretty background to look at and I'm being nice, I'll even gather some youtube vids for you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KqYS0U7ZvBM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXD4N_Mi1iE&feature=related
THIS IS WHAT SPACE BATTLES SHOULD BE LIKE IN GAMES! |

Dbars Grinding
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
330
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Posted - 2012.01.09 21:15:00 -
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eve is dieing. |

rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
208
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Posted - 2012.01.09 21:17:00 -
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Should also hang out at market hubs and missions hubs more. I usually do find space to be empty till I hit the big hubs in EVE. Threads like this generally result in anything positive.
Locked. |

Morganta
Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia
769
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Posted - 2012.01.09 21:31:00 -
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yeah, space is large and empty, that's why distances are measured in AU, light seconds and light minutes, light years and not feet, miles and inches
and yes, flying in space is boring, thats why scifi ignores the reality of space so you can watch colonial vipers and cylons mixing it up in a furball in the vacuum
the reality is it takes 3 days of high velocity travel (24,000 mph or 10.72kps) just to reach the moon (0.0024 AU) The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy |

T McGeek
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2012.01.09 21:59:00 -
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Dbars Grinding wrote:eve is dieing. ^^ run for the hills |

Vyl Vit
Cambio Enterprises
200
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Posted - 2012.01.09 22:02:00 -
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Gorongo Frostfyr wrote:because the space eve provides is full of nothing. it feels like a drawingboard with some fixpoints. even the belts are fix, fixed bananas. oh yea, i forgot scanning and exploration sites. :sad:
bigger belts, more stuff OK? i want more freelancer-feeling in eve, thanks. [/quality posting]
Umm...that's why it's called "SPACE". At present I'm writing a story about being a freighter pilot and how mind-numbingly boring it is to be an "astronaut." Why? For that very reason; featureless space. No pretty trees, no herds of lowing cows, sudden streams with fabulous bridges...just space. I'm not going to reveal too much about it, but it does deal with the psychological affects of being professionally bored....for a living...sound familiar?
To her it doesn't matter much.-á It's chasms have been leapt, and she leans upon the skepticism of her chosen fate. |

baltec1
435
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Posted - 2012.01.09 22:12:00 -
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Playing freelancer right now. Everything feels too small, too crammed together. EVE has it right and I enjoy having more room to play around in in a single system than in every other MMO combined. |

The Old Chap
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
57
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Posted - 2012.01.09 22:18:00 -
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It helps if you stop flying once in a while, and take a pot-shot at someone else. Once I discovered this, I found space more interesting. Look into my eyes...-á-á and tighten that sphincter, kid. |

Valei Khurelem
128
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Posted - 2012.01.09 22:54:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Playing freelancer right now. Everything feels too small, too crammed together. EVE has it right and I enjoy having more room to play around in in a single system than in every other MMO combined.
At least the stuff you do find in Freelancer isn't just lame and generic like most of EVE, this is the problem when they just randomly spawn things in thousands of empty bits of space, they need to do some proper work on the content, make things interesting and dynamic rather than just static with some occasional spawning going on. |

Alara IonStorm
1339
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Posted - 2012.01.09 23:03:00 -
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No it should not. No it should never, ever, ever look like that.
This is not a Fighter Jet that happens to be in Space Sim, long engagement ranges and plotting courses instead of flying make EVE what it is...
A slow Tactical Starship Simulator in an Open Universe.
The game you are looking for is Vendetta Online, they are the Freelancer MMO. |

Lady Spank
GET OUT NASTY FACE
904
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Posted - 2012.01.09 23:12:00 -
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Go do some exploration or quit playing a game that is blatantly not for you. (a¦á_a¦â) ~ http://getoutnastyface.blogspot.com/ ~ (a¦á_a¦â) -áGÖÑ New Years Resolution ~ Cease thy Smacktalk GÖÑ |

Gorongo Frostfyr
Shimohi Heavy Industries
14
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Posted - 2012.01.10 00:53:00 -
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Lady Spank wrote:Go do some exploration or quit playing a game that is blatantly not for you. theres nothing to explore. shatner |

Lady Spank
GET OUT NASTY FACE
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Posted - 2012.01.10 01:05:00 -
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Gorongo Frostfyr wrote:Lady Spank wrote:Go do some exploration or quit playing a game that is blatantly not for you. theres nothing to explore. shatner There's plenty, clearly you haven't done any of it yet. (a¦á_a¦â) ~ http://getoutnastyface.blogspot.com/ ~ (a¦á_a¦â) -áGÖÑ New Years Resolution ~ Cease thy Smacktalk GÖÑ |

Sunny Rin
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
8
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Posted - 2012.01.10 01:15:00 -
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Do level 1 missions for different corps on your t2 frigate.
It's blast.
Flying small ships is always a blast.
I love flying my wolf to do level 1 missions. |

DCR666
University of Pheonix
0
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Posted - 2012.01.10 01:25:00 -
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What would be neet would be romming fleets and squads or lonewolfs NPCs that could be a mix of anything.
Say i was out explorering sites and at the end of a site a Gallente battle fleet warps in, I happen to get a popup that offers me a new mission. A. I could take the mission and get good standing boost. B Leave and head out. C. Pick a fight with them and take a standing loss and maby get some good loot.
OR
I'm in Minmatar space (or any space) a Amarr Battleships flys in asking me to go kill someone for them. Its a minmatar spy what to do?!? Do i kill the spy or kill the amarr BS? No i kill the spy and the amarr BS looting both later after killing both that i find out the spy was a duble agent and can offer it to the minmatar for isk. |

Gothikia
Regeneration Violent Society
5
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Posted - 2012.01.10 01:34:00 -
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Gorongo Frostfyr wrote:because the space eve provides is full of nothing. it feels like a drawingboard with some fixpoints. even the belts are fix, fixed bananas. oh yea, i forgot scanning and exploration sites. :sad:
bigger belts, more stuff OK? i want more freelancer-feeling in eve, thanks. [/quality posting]
EVE: YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG CEO, Regeneration || www.r-gen.org Regeneration recruitment thread:-áhttps://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=52145&find=unread |

Gorongo Frostfyr
Shimohi Heavy Industries
14
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Posted - 2012.01.10 05:25:00 -
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Lady Spank wrote:Gorongo Frostfyr wrote:Lady Spank wrote:Go do some exploration or quit playing a game that is blatantly not for you. theres nothing to explore. shatner There's plenty, clearly you haven't done any of it yet. THERE IS NOTHING TO _EXPLORE_ . shatnerd
Gothikia wrote:Gorongo Frostfyr wrote:because the space eve provides is full of nothing. it feels like a drawingboard with some fixpoints. even the belts are fix, fixed bananas. oh yea, i forgot scanning and exploration sites. :sad:
bigger belts, more stuff OK? i want more freelancer-feeling in eve, thanks. [/quality posting] EVE: YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG because you doubleclick to travel? :V |

Alara IonStorm
1341
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Posted - 2012.01.10 05:41:00 -
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Gorongo Frostfyr wrote:THERE IS NOTHING TO _EXPLORE_
PURCHASE CORE SCAN PROBES THEN TYPE _OBNOXIOUSLY_ |

Valei Khurelem
129
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Posted - 2012.01.10 05:45:00 -
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Lady Spank wrote:Go do some exploration or quit playing a game that is blatantly not for you.
You know if CCP stopped falsely marketing this game as a sandbox universe none of us would be having these problems. |

Alara IonStorm
1341
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Posted - 2012.01.10 05:51:00 -
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Valei Khurelem wrote: You know if CCP stopped falsely marketing this game as a sandbox universe none of us would be having these problems.
You do realize that literally can go everywhere in the EVE Universe. It is your problem if you only use public beacons.
Anyway the definition of Sandbox is Non Linear Gameplay and nothing else. If the the game does not have a preset story line you have to play through to win it is a sandbox game. That is all that is required to make a sandbox and nothing else.
Perhaps you should learn the definition of the word before you accuse a Company of False Advertising.
I guess uninformed Libel is in this season.  |

Valei Khurelem
129
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Posted - 2012.01.10 06:04:00 -
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Oh please, haven't you played this game called Skyrim recently? That's a sandbox and that has as much lore packed into the books you can pick up as warhammer.
If this were a sandbox then it would either be like Skyrim or Minecraft, EVE is niether because it does not offer good enough procedurally generated gameplay and the story is barely anything worth reading, bits and pieces are interesting but that's about it. What's happened here is that CCP have created a universe so vast they don't have anything interesting to fill it with, asteroid belts are all the same with the same NPCs, missions are all boringly repetitive because there are barely any and when you play the game for even an hour or two you barely manage to get anything interesting going because you can't for instance select missions yourself and decide which ones you're going to do for the day.
Haven't CCP ever considered maybe that some people might like to take the short missions constantly instead of being forced to do an epic storyline or mission with three or so jumpgates that take you forever to travel through? Even if EVE is a sandbox, it's a crappy one, it's merely a shell, they've created a huge and 'mysterious' universe but haven't filled it with anything. People will rage at me over this but if they added more stuff like Womholes, exploration sites ( there should be far more than there are now ) and incursions ( perhaps from different factions from Sansha ) then this game would be a lot more interesting and fun to play.
You people really need to stop trolling these boards with your bullshit and pretending that no one but you knows anything about the game or games in general for that matter. |

Caroline Grace
Almost Approved
0
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Posted - 2012.01.10 06:07:00 -
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Gorongo Frostfyr wrote:because the space eve provides is full of nothing. it feels like a drawingboard with some fixpoints. even the belts are fix, fixed bananas. oh yea, i forgot scanning and exploration sites. :sad:
bigger belts, more stuff OK? i want more freelancer-feeling in eve, thanks. [/quality posting]
Thanks to the new warp effect, I literally enjoying just warping / flying itself.
Your argument is invalid  |

Alara IonStorm
1342
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Posted - 2012.01.10 06:18:00 -
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Valei Khurelem wrote: If this were a sandbox then it would either be like Skyrim or Minecraft,
I /Facepalmed so hard I think I gave myself a concussion.
You don't get to make up the definition of Sandbox which is Non Linear Gameplay. If the quality of that gameplay does not meet your standards that does not make it less of a Sandbox.
Valei Khurelem wrote: EVE is niether because it does not offer good enough procedurally generated gameplay and the story is barely anything worth reading, bits and pieces are interesting but that's about it. What's happened here is that CCP have created a universe so vast they don't have anything interesting to fill it with, asteroid belts are all the same with the same NPCs, missions are all boringly repetitive because there are barely any and when you play the game for even an hour or two you barely manage to get anything interesting going because you can't for instance select missions yourself and decide which ones you're going to do for the day.
I enjoy EVE PvE and love Exploration Complexes especially. If you don't find it interesting feel free to leave because everything you just bitched about I love about this game.
Valei Khurelem wrote: Haven't CCP ever considered maybe that some people might like to take the short missions constantly instead of being forced to do an epic storyline or mission with three or so jumpgates that take you forever to travel through? Even if EVE is a sandbox, it's a crappy one, it's merely a shell, they've created a huge and 'mysterious' universe but haven't filled it with anything. People will rage at me over this but if they added more stuff like Womholes, exploration sites ( there should be far more than there are now ) and incursions ( perhaps from different factions from Sansha ) then this game would be a lot more interesting and fun to play.
If you have finished every exploration site in the game then step away from the keyboard you addict and go outside. For it's budget EVE is fine, stop expecting WoW Level Content in a game that has 300k Subscribers. Quit if you don't like it.
Valei Khurelem wrote: You people really need to stop trolling these boards with your bullshit.
Says the person who accuses a company of false advertisement without knowing the definition of the term he was saying they were lying about.
EVE has a ton of content for the small / medium sized population and they are preparing to add more this Summer which will be a huge expansion.
EVE is Fun and it is on a good track, take your poor attitude out of here or better yet...
Valei Khurelem wrote: stop trolling these boards with your bullshit.
Do this. |

Valei Khurelem
129
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Posted - 2012.01.10 06:20:00 -
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Please facepalm yourself more, you clearly didn't give yourself enough of a concussion to stop posting. |

Disdaine
187
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Posted - 2012.01.10 06:21:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote: You do realize that literally can go everywhere in the EVE Universe. It is your problem if you only use public beacons.
Yeah you can go everywhere by flying through arbitrary choke points called gates then warping to any number of fixed locations.
What if I want to go over there? How do I get there? Can I drop a probe/marker and warp to it? Can I set a predetermined direction and range for warp? Or do I just have to point my ship in that direction and mwd all day.
Or I could do this exploration thing hey. Probes down unknown combat site, ooohh, Crimson hand supply depot...
Oh wait already did it. Maybe its changed, I'll go do it again. Nope. Just another mission that takes longer to start.
Even Diablo 1 had a random dungeon generator. |

Chopper Rollins
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
100
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Posted - 2012.01.10 06:21:00 -
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Valei Khurelem, troll, 12 year-old or 12 year-old troll?
I will suspend judgement for now while the evidence stacks up.
Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good. |

Ursula LeGuinn
23
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Posted - 2012.01.10 06:42:00 -
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Valei Khurelem wrote:You know if CCP stopped falsely marketing this game as a sandbox universe none of us would be having these problems.
- New Eden is a vast, persistent world on a single server cluster
- players are able to claim and control territory
- ability to create, customize and destroy player-owned structures
- ability to "gather" materials through various processes
- ability to manufacture a wide array of products from said materials
- skill-based, grind-free character development system with no arbitrary "roadblocks"
- complex, dynamic, decentralized player-controlled economy
- opportunities to innovate ("escape wardec" corps [R.I.P., heh], "jump clone service" corps, escrow services, etc.)
- the strong prey upon weakness with minimal GM interference (scams, piracy, spies, mercenary work, etc.)
- what is built, can be destroyed; what is destroyed, can be rebuilt
- unique landmarks marking player activities such as Chribba's Revelation, the wreck of the first destroyed Titan, etc.
- complex system allowing for customized organization and management of huge groups of players
- wide array of career paths available
- player decisions can and do meaningfully impact the experience of other players
- gameplay not based around a series of hand-holding quests
All of this is invalidated by... what, now? The fact that there isn't a dense landscape of spinning rocks, space junk, and other arbitrary scenery pieces everywhere in EVE as there is in Freelancer? HA. "The EVE forums are intended to provide a warm, friendly atmosphere for the EVE community."-áGÇö-áEVElopedia |

Jonas Xiamon
52
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Posted - 2012.01.10 07:06:00 -
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Half this thread appears to be,
>OP's post is two sentances >tldr; >YOU CAN WALK IN OTHER GAMES SHITFACE I usally write one of these and then change it a month later when I reread it and decide it sounds stupid. |

Valei Khurelem
129
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Posted - 2012.01.10 07:38:00 -
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New Eden is a vast, persistent world on a single server cluster - EVE is actually on several servers designed to take on the load
"players are able to claim and control territory" - Yes they are, one of the good things about the game, but really it's only big corporations that are capable of doing that because of the numerous issues with blob fleets and gatecamping
"ability to create, customize and destroy player-owned structures" - Again one of the good things about EVE I actually admire, I hope to own a high sec PoS one day
"ability to "gather" materials through various processes" - That's through grinding, speaking as a miner, this needs fixing to make it more fun and have more player input
"ability to manufacture a wide array of products from said materials" - Another good thing about EVE but has unfortunately lead to the balance issues spoken of before
"skill-based, grind-free character development system with no arbitrary "roadblocks" - This is a complete lie, not only are you forced to wait real time to get your skills up ( which frankly is worse if you're trying to actually play the game ) you have to grind ISK at the same time in order to get the ships you are waiting for, this is a ploy and a timesink, not a game mechanic
complex, dynamic, decentralized player-controlled economy - Another great thing about EVE, but yet again it's something that needs fixing, T2 blueprints for example need to be available for everyone, it isn't balanced at all there shouldn't even be a need to be a debate on fixing this
"opportunities to innovate ("escape wardec" corps [R.I.P., heh], "jump clone service" corps, escrow services, etc.)" - Some aspects of these are good and some aspects are bad, a corporation shouldn't have to disband and re-make itself again just because of a bunch of asshats trying to ruin their fun, there are other players besides PvPers that play EVE
"the strong prey upon weakness with minimal GM interference (scams, piracy, spies, mercenary work, etc.)" - 0.0 alliances like BoB and organisations like CSM prove otherwise that CCP throws favourtism at certain player groups more than others instead of just focusing on making a fun game for all
"what is built, can be destroyed; what is destroyed, can be rebuilt" - Another good aspect of EVE that I approve of, why can't people understand there are things about this game I actually like? This is why I get so annoyed since CCP have the capacity and resources to easily improve and fix the problems that are here, the only conclusion I can come to is they're lazy since they've shown in Crucible they are capable of fixing things
"unique landmarks marking player activities such as Chribba's Revelation, the wreck of the first destroyed Titan, etc." - This is the exact kind of thing I'm talking about, I'd prefer more lore based landmarks as this is the kind of thing that makes playing space games great, I wouldn't mind at all seeing hidden pirate space stations much like in freelancer. We need more content like this
"complex system allowing for customized organization and management of huge groups of players" - Organisation is often based upon the person not the tools offered, that said even though we do have these sorts of tools available there isn't enough
"Wide array of career paths available" - This is another thing I like about EVE, there are a few things that need fixing though, one of the things I don't particularly and have posted a thread about in features is the fixing of copying labs, it's a blatant exploit that people have clearly been using for years. A lot of the stuff is good but unfortunately due to certain groups many non-combat roles are marginalised
"player decisions can and do meaningfully impact the experience of other players" - Another thing that I do like, I've heard about things like the EVE bank scam and the way people can infilitrate alliances and take down their entire infrastructure, CCP desperately needs to work on this sort of thing particularly when it comes to making money from actual player input so players just don't resort to using bots
"Gameplay not based around a series of hand-holding quests" - The only parts of the game that doesn't revolve around hand holding quests are mining and exploration and it could be easily argued that incursion itself is a hand held quest, the only difference is that they occur on a more random bases and you need fleets in order to take part in them but in the end you get an icon telling you exactly where to go and how to get there. The only reason PvPers are kept away from this grindfest is because they leech and steal off the players who do all the hard work for them and they run around getting ganked or blown up then ask for more. If anyone who did mission running, mining or any industrial activities simply stopped selling their equipment and ships to these people and kept it for themselves then they'd be force to do the same grinding as the rest of the player base but it doesn't look like anyone will wise up to that fact any time soon and these guys have the balls to go and cry when they actually get taken out by a non-combat ship that managed to defend itself
I like parts of EVE and I want to it to succeed but the only way that this is going to happen is if CCP add actual content and make the universe come alive rather than just balance things to cater to different pressure groups that all want the game to work for them rather than for everyone, because that's all they're doing right now, the only reason they've bothered to fix and add even a few things in the game is because the actual majority player base came along and raged like crazy about the nex store not just the groups who claim they are.
TLDR: Thank **** I copy and pasted this |

resystol
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.01.10 08:15:00 -
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Valei you are a troll , and one of the worst ,so people stop feeding this monster please , is a TROLL ,a carebear troll . What kind of person do this seriuosly, "oh i dont like this , i like that, this need fix cause "I" dont like it" only a TROLOLololo |

Valei Khurelem
129
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Posted - 2012.01.10 08:18:00 -
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You see this is why people hate most EVE players. |

resystol
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.01.10 08:36:00 -
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What was that?? ..... Ohh it was just a TROLL scare me for a minute  |
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
1984
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Posted - 2012.01.10 08:49:00 -
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Valei Khurelem wrote:"unique landmarks marking player activities such as Chribba's Revelation, the wreck of the first destroyed Titan, etc." - This is the exact kind of thing I'm talking about, I'd prefer more lore based landmarks as this is the kind of thing that makes playing space games great, I wouldn't mind at all seeing hidden pirate space stations much like in freelancer. We need more content like this This were the case back in the days, lots of "eye candy" with hidden stuff outside grid that you could slowboat towards and find.
Like the hidden station in New Eden, gas clouds and abandoned mining stations outside belt grid. It sucks that they removed stuff like that.
/c
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Kuronaga
Controlled Substance
141
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Posted - 2012.01.10 09:01:00 -
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Valei Khurelem wrote:"ability to create, customize and destroy player-owned structures" - Again one of the good things about EVE I actually admire, I hope to own a high sec PoS one day
So your lifelong aspiration in eve is the equivalent of being the night manager at a mcdonalds? |

Jafit McJafitson
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
124
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Posted - 2012.01.10 09:24:00 -
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Guys! The OP is right, Eve is boring.
All the activities we have except PvP can be easily accomplished by automated bots, they're that monotonous. There is no 'unknown' to explore. Even wormholes and their mechanics are all well documented. You can scan down all kinds of sites, but this activity labelled as 'exploration' is just another form of ratting, you know the rats are going to spawn as soon as you start poking around, are you supposed to be surprised every time?
Eve is boring and dumb and if you like it then you are boring and dumb. There's no joke or troll here I'm just speaking the unfortunate truth. |

Valei Khurelem
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Posted - 2012.01.10 09:37:00 -
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Sadly Jafit it's an unfortunate truth a number of loud people on these boards aren't willing to listen to and they'll call you a troll if you say it lol.
Kuronaga if I ignore your sarcasm, player owned structures etc. can actually be bloody interesting if they have plenty of options within them and things for you to do, one thing I don't like in games how it's always about "You become the hero, travel the world, save someone, the end" look at minecraft! Seriously, just go and play it if you haven't already. All you do in that games is build anything you can think of and that provides most people with a fantastic amount of entertainment if you have the imagination for it. Can you imagine what EVE would be like if we just added more exploration content alone?
I would actually ditch mining and purely go around exploring all the stuff there, that said I probably would bring my mining ships along if I could snatch an ore belt for myself too that had some rare stuff in it :D |

baltec1
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Posted - 2012.01.10 09:53:00 -
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Valei Khurelem wrote:Oh please, haven't you played this game called Skyrim recently? That's a sandbox and that has as much lore packed into the books you can pick up as warhammer.
EVE online is a pvp game not a pve clone that spoon feeds you content. The stories in eve are our own and much more interesting than anything pve could offer. Skyrim has nothing on eve lore. |

Chopper Rollins
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
100
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Posted - 2012.01.10 11:36:00 -
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Valei Khurelem wrote: "players are able to claim and control territory" - Yes they are, one of the good things about the game, but really it's only big corporations that are capable of doing that because of the numerous issues with blob fleets and gatecamping
"ability to create, customize and destroy player-owned structures" - Again one of the good things about EVE I actually admire, I hope to own a high sec PoS one day
OK the first one shows you having an opinion on something you know nothing about. People whine about these things on forum and you're repeating it. I deal with these things all the time and they aren't a block to controlling territory and are not an issue because you can do it too.
The second one, jeez, I tore my POS down because i got sick of feeding it. Made loads selling copies of researched blueprints but the novelty wore off. If that's a far off dream for you, you haven't even scratched eve yet.
Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good. |

Ursula LeGuinn
29
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Posted - 2012.01.10 11:40:00 -
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Yo Valei... I'm really happy for you, Imma let you finish, but you perpetrated one of the most hilarious contradictions I've ever seen:
Valei Khurelem wrote:You know if CCP stopped falsely marketing this game as a sandbox universe
Valei Khurelem wrote:I'd prefer more lore based landmarks "The EVE forums are intended to provide a warm, friendly atmosphere for the EVE community."-áGÇö-áEVElopedia |

Karl Planck
Heretic University Heretic Nation
104
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Posted - 2012.01.10 12:35:00 -
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Ursula LeGuinn wrote:Yo Valei... I'm really happy for you, Imma let you finish, but you perpetrated one of the most hilarious contradictions I've ever seen: Valei Khurelem wrote:You know if CCP stopped falsely marketing this game as a sandbox universe Valei Khurelem wrote:I'd prefer more lore based landmarks
The problem is that Valei Khurelem is relatively new to this game. He has an idea about what would be the ideal game, the ideal entertainment. Many gaming companies have ATTEMPTED to get at parts of what he and and players like him are looking for. None of them have even gotten close, let alone make it enjoyable for extended periods of time.
While various parts of Valei Khurelem suggestions COULD be nice additions, fitting it into the actual game is something we all know would be difficult as hell (either balance or programming). Most of the problems with what he has been looking for is really the technology. I mean, could you imagine the data transfer requirements to do something like that freelancer demo with 1500 people fighting in a system? We are decades away from that happening if at all without a breakthrough.
Valei Khurelem, fantasise all you want, but this game is exhilarating, interesting, difficult and rewarding. Criticize it all you want, its the best game on the market for hardcore gamers, hands down.
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Valei Khurelem
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Posted - 2012.01.10 12:36:00 -
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Fucks sake CCP, I write out another post and stupidly thinking "It's probably a temporary bug so I doubt it'll happen every time" I post and it deletes everything, I'll do a short summary of what I was planning to write, should get my point across anyway.
Ursula, what contradiction is that? Please explain it so my idiot mind can comprehend, just because you have landmarks or lore in a game does not make it a sandbox universe
Baltec1, don't ramble like an indoctrinated psychopath, EVE Online has PvE it's called ratting, mission running and killing NPCs in asteroid belts you are exactly the kind of player I was talking about earlier in my post.
Chopper, you can claim I can do it too all you like, but the facts are from what I've seen there's only one option you can do when you are in a small gang or solo with PvP in EVE taking on large numbers of pilots and that is run away, either it seems, with a micro warp drive, or with a covert ops frigate, those aren't really options as I'd like to actually have a fighting chance against that rather than get ganked.
As for the second comment well that's just your preferences I guess, I wouldn't be so keen to have a PoS if public labs got fixed, but until I can freely make blueprint copies without having to way 60+ days to do so it's something to aim for. |

Valei Khurelem
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Posted - 2012.01.10 12:47:00 -
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Quote:Valei Khurelem, fantasise all you want, but this game is exhilarating, interesting, difficult and rewarding. Criticize it all you want, its the best game on the market for hardcore gamers, hands down.
The only reason that EVE Online has survived is because the standards in MMORPG gaming are frankly now, so low that it seems far better than anything else, it's the same with many other things in the games industry. All the fun games that were made before games companies some how managed to become big business were killed off when many of the small developers were either aggressively bought out or simply the devs went their seperate ways and went on to bigger companies or decided to go in different directions.
I would even go so far as to say I find EVE Online far too easy, I know if I leave high security, I will be ganked, especially since I'm flying as a non-combat character, I know now that I'll have to train to a covert ops frigate and look up suitable fittings so I can travel through 0.0 space without being detected. I can look up sovereignty on the star map, find the best agents, I can pay ISK to find specific players, look up corporations and their numbers so I can warn my corp about them if they plan on going near where they are.
You can say I'm fantasizing but at least I'm fantasizing about wanting a good game and not pretending EVE is something it just isn't. |

Karl Planck
Heretic University Heretic Nation
104
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Posted - 2012.01.10 13:05:00 -
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Valei Khurelem wrote: Fucks sake CCP, I write out another post and stupidly thinking "It's probably a temporary bug so I doubt it'll happen every time" I post and it deletes everything, I'll do a short summary of what I was planning to write, should get my point across anyway.
ctrl+a then ctrl+c, no one loves it but there is your hotfix
Valei Khurelem wrote: The only reason that EVE Online has survived is because the standards in MMORPG gaming are frankly now, so low that it seems far better than anything else, it's the same with many other things in the games industry.
Tons of people play mmo's, its a big market. Give the people what they want. You specifically neglect to refute what I said about your desires being realistic. While everyone here would probably agree that some of the flight simulation games would be great if integrated into eve, it is not going to happen for decades due to technological limitations.
Valei Khurelem wrote: I would even go so far as to say I find EVE Online far too easy, I know if I leave high security, I will be ganked, especially since I'm flying as a non-combat character,
It really hurts to watch how new you are/how poorly you understand the game yet how entitled you feel
Valei Khurelem wrote: I can look up sovereignty on the star map, find the best agents, I can pay ISK to find specific players, look up corporations and their numbers so I can warn my corp about them if they plan on going near where they are.
And what is that going to get you? How will you get what you want knowing just that information?
Valei Khurelem wrote: You can say I'm fantasizing but at least I'm fantasizing about wanting a good game and not pretending EVE is something it just isn't.
lol, eve isn't a good game. lolololollololololololololo trolololololololollol
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Alara IonStorm
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Posted - 2012.01.10 13:07:00 -
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Valei Khurelem wrote: Ursula, what contradiction is that? Please explain it so my idiot mind can comprehend, just because you have landmarks or lore in a game does not make it a sandbox universe
Because landmarks and lore do not make a sandbox game non linear gameplay does. Been over this before.
Valei Khurelem wrote: Baltec1, don't ramble like an indoctrinated psychopath,
Hmmmm.
Baltec1 wrote:EVE online is a pvp game not a pve clone that spoon feeds you content. The stories in eve are our own and much more interesting than anything pve could offer. Skyrim has nothing on eve lore. Yup Definitely a Psychopathic post if I ever saw one.
EVE has a ton of PvE Content for a game with it's budget.
Valei Khurelem wrote: I know if I leave high security, I will be ganked, especially since I'm flying as a non-combat character,
Content that you have not done much of by the looks of it.  |

Valei Khurelem
129
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Posted - 2012.01.10 13:29:00 -
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and now the topic has devolved into trolling rather than an actual debate :P ah well I tried. |

Alara IonStorm
1350
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Posted - 2012.01.10 13:39:00 -
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Valei Khurelem wrote:and now the topic has devolved into trolling rather than an actual debate :P ah well I tried. But did you. Did you really.
Valei Khurelem wrote: Baltec1, don't ramble like an indoctrinated psychopath,
No, not really.  |

Mors Magne
The Red Exhilez KRYSIS.
10
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Posted - 2012.01.10 14:16:00 -
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The best stuff in space is player created stuff.
I'm hoping that DUST introduces new, interesting things.
Ultimately, WiS could produce some really interesting structures floating in space - but that would probably be years away. |

Ursula LeGuinn
36
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Posted - 2012.01.10 14:26:00 -
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Mors Magne wrote:The best stuff in space is player created stuff.
Yep. It sounds like an old vet platitude, and it is, but that's because it's the truth.
EVE has some cool ships, concepts and an interesting sci-fi atmosphere, not to mention fantastic music, but I play because of the challenge, the danger, the sense of mystery, and the game's freewheeling spirit. That's all about players.
Even people I'm angry with/am jealous of/am rivals with/am frankly afraid of make the game better and more exciting to play. I envy people who have trillions of ISK or a lot of personal power, and I'm glad they have it for me to be jealous of. It's infinitely preferable to a hamster wheel where everyone achieves pretty much the same thing depending upon the latest expansion. "The EVE forums are intended to provide a warm, friendly atmosphere for the EVE community."-áGÇö-áEVElopedia |

Minta Contha
Emergent Entity KONZERN
37
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Posted - 2012.01.10 14:29:00 -
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I really don't see how you can get bored in Eve when you have thousands of other real people to interact with - either alongside or against. Pick a random destination, go and see what's out there - yes it's a risk, but isn't that exciting? Feel the thrill of stepping into an unscouted nullsec system... what will lie beyond the gate? Amass items and play the markets, see how the other real people react and profit or lose from it. The possibilities are literally endless. I very rarely engage in PVP and I still don't get bored. As others have said, Eve is not the game for you. My cooking is like my lovemaking - fast, greasy, and unsatisfying. |

Gabriella Fox
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.01.10 14:29:00 -
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eve should be like X3.
As it stands it's too unbalanced favoring all the idiotic game play styles of the mmo world - gate camping, scamming, ganking and being a fool within a group of fools.
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Mors Magne
The Red Exhilez KRYSIS.
10
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Posted - 2012.01.10 14:34:00 -
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Ursula LeGuinn wrote:Mors Magne wrote:The best stuff in space is player created stuff. Yep. It sounds like an old vet platitude, and it is, but that's because it's the truth. EVE has some cool ships, concepts and an interesting sci-fi atmosphere, not to mention fantastic music, but I play because of the challenge, the danger, the sense of mystery, and the game's freewheeling spirit. That's all about players. Even people I'm angry with/am jealous of/am rivals with/am frankly afraid of make the game better and more exciting to play. I envy people who have trillions of ISK or a lot of personal power, and I'm glad they have it for me to be jealous of. It's infinitely preferable to a hamster wheel where everyone achieves pretty much the same thing depending upon the latest expansion.
Personally, I enjoy finding things that other people have abandoned.
I often scan down lots of abandoned POSs and cargo crates - maybe more could be done with them?
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