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Ernest Graefenberg Minmatar Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.16 06:32:00 - [31] Originally by: PirateShampoo I imagine snigg have only just come accross this due to their smallish size gangs Actually, for 2 days in a row now, completely regardless of gang size (or any gang at all) I've been unable to lock targets, use any targetted modules, get updated hitpoints or anything specifically in LXWN and MA-VOX and no other systems. That's after tons of restarts, cleared caches and all that. The system is fully responsive too, I can warp (and explode, just not actually see the switch to pod) and use un-targetted modules (MWD, sensorbooster, DCU). Petition already submitted, but what the christ. This happens without even hostiles on screen, and completely disappears and acts normally as soon as I leave those systems (short of having to be hit once per HP layer for it to update again - ie if my armor is hit, I need to take a point of armor damage for it to update to my real armor value). Talk about a ****** up bug :/
Ampoliros Phantom Knights	Posted - 2007.07.16 06:51:00 - [32] Edited by: Ampoliros on 16/07/2007 06:51:07 Originally by: Dark Shikari Out of curiosity, has CCP ever even responded to a thread about desyncs? Has a dev ever acknowledged the fact that 0.0 PvP is basically impossible due to desyncs? Bam! http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=549542 Run your logserver. Submit bug reports. They probably don't know whats going on, but this "Stuff is broken!111" doesn't help them fix it.
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.07.16 06:54:00 - [33] Originally by: Ampoliros Edited by: Ampoliros on 16/07/2007 06:51:07 Originally by: Dark Shikari Out of curiosity, has CCP ever even responded to a thread about desyncs? Has a dev ever acknowledged the fact that 0.0 PvP is basically impossible due to desyncs? Bam! http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=549542 Run your logserver. Submit bug reports. They probably don't know whats going on, but this "Stuff is broken!111" doesn't help them fix it. Rev2 completely broke PvP. EVE is about PvP. Why are we still running Rev2 if it hasn't been fixed yet? 23 Member EVE Video makers: save EVE-files bandwidth! Use the H.264 AutoEncoder!
Amarria Black Clan Anthraxx	Posted - 2007.07.16 07:05:00 - [34] Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Ampoliros Edited by: Ampoliros on 16/07/2007 06:51:07 Originally by: Dark Shikari Out of curiosity, has CCP ever even responded to a thread about desyncs? Has a dev ever acknowledged the fact that 0.0 PvP is basically impossible due to desyncs? Bam! http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=549542 Run your logserver. Submit bug reports. They probably don't know whats going on, but this "Stuff is broken!111" doesn't help them fix it. Rev2 completely broke PvP. EVE is about PvP. Why are we still running Rev2 if it hasn't been fixed yet? B-b-but Heat!!! We must have heat, and we must have it now! (So that in six months, the patch with station ambulation can break that, too.)
Ampoliros Phantom Knights	Posted - 2007.07.16 07:55:00 - [35] Edited by: Ampoliros on 16/07/2007 07:54:54 Originally by: Dark Shikari Rev2 completely broke PvP. EVE is about PvP. Why are we still running Rev2 if it hasn't been fixed yet? Probably because it's not spectacularly easy to roll the server back to pre-rev2; but I don't exactly know, I'm only casually knowledgable about the EVE servers. However, what I do realize is that the response of 99.5% of the players has been to do something like this, rather than anything vaguely constructive that'd help fix the problem.
ApaKaka Lone Starr Corporation	Posted - 2007.07.16 08:20:00 - [36] Desynchs seem to happen any time at all. I had it happen yesterday in an inty-vs-inty solo thing with 10 ppl in local, none were loaded but us two on that grid. We both were MWDing all over, I scrammed, and poof ... desynch. I find it funny that he stays at 20km on my overview, while not being in grid, and when I warp back to station, my ship is still flying 4km/s towards him (him, being gone for 30 secs already), and I see my accel-o-meter warping me, but my ship isn't moving.
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.07.16 08:23:00 - [37] Originally by: Ampoliros However, what I do realize is that the response of 99.5% of the players has been to do something like this, rather than anything vaguely constructive that'd help fix the problem. What do you expect us to do? Its not like we have the code for the server and client; if EVE was open source I'd be staring down the networking and sync code as we speak, but that's not going to happen. 23 Member EVE Video makers: save EVE-files bandwidth! Use the H.264 AutoEncoder!
Ampoliros Phantom Knights	Posted - 2007.07.16 08:34:00 - [38] Edited by: Ampoliros on 16/07/2007 08:34:24 Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Ampoliros However, what I do realize is that the response of 99.5% of the players has been to do something like this, rather than anything vaguely constructive that'd help fix the problem. What do you expect us to do? Its not like we have the code for the server and client; if EVE was open source I'd be staring down the networking and sync code as we speak, but that's not going to happen. Originally by: CCP Oneiromancer How can I help? Keep Logserver.exe running during PvP engagements. If you experience heavy client lag and desync issues, archive the log files and submit them in a bug report. More information on how to submit bug reports can be found here. Also include a DXDiag file in your bug report. IMPORTANT: Don't forget to prefix your bug report with "Desync/Client lag:", so that QA and bug hunters can filter these reports easily. The information in the Logserver files is the most important. A simple description of the issue is not likely to help us solve it.
Akathar Amarri	Posted - 2007.07.16 08:37:00 - [39] I des-synced IN STATION last night. It seems pretty random to me, and sometimes it re-syncs after a few minutes.
LUH 3471	Posted - 2007.07.16 09:21:00 - [40] i have an idea how about we all let our subscriptions run out
Santa Anna Caldari Blackguard Brigade	Posted - 2007.07.16 10:04:00 - [41] Originally by: LUH 3471 i have an idea how about we all let our subscriptions run out Yeah, sorry about that, I had my credit card desync. Just be patient, I'm sure it'll fix itself in the next six months or so. _____ Heat Warfare
EwokPoacher Nubs. D-L	Posted - 2007.07.16 10:29:00 - [42] Been playing Eve for 3 years next month. I have enjoyed PVP more than anything until now. In the last few weeks we've had more issues with lag, desyncs and other bull** that my entire corp doesn't want to deal with it. I pay for 3 accounts. That's 45 bucks a month times 12! For $540 a year, CCP owes me a hell of a lot more than HEAT! I am owed a working ***** game. CCP needs to get real. If they were under a contract to us for uptime and availability they would be paying us money right now. For the first time ever I'm considering doing what my wife has wanted me to do since day one. Quit Eve. It's simply too frustrating to try and get anything done these days.
fire 59 Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.07.16 11:28:00 - [43] The desync malarky is definately a cause of concern for me, as with most folk. Seriously ccp, forget all the shiny new toys and walking in stations and focus on fixing the game for your playerbase. I love this game but it's gone **** up since rev 2, same with the dragon patch if i remember. Fleets simply cannot fight becasue typically one side desyncs and it's a turkey shoot. I remember not so long ago it wasn't too bad ( and i was running 512mb , 2 gig now ) . GOONIES = OMNIPOTENCE INCARNATE
ApaKaka Lone Starr Corporation	Posted - 2007.07.16 11:38:00 - [44] While I think everyone can run logserver.exe from now on in PVP-engagements and properly bugreport, I think its bullcrap that Q&A doesn't seem to have a grasp of the problem or knowing when or how it occurs. "GM: We have got 1 report so far with logs." etc. What about testing it yourselves? You have the tools we don't to find this problem and it doesn't take much to make it occur. Just go out into 0.0 with a small roaming gang and play as you usually do and it will hit you within 15 minutes...
Manina Boat Republic Military School	Posted - 2007.07.16 19:19:00 - [45] Originally by: Death Kill Hey we got heat, what do they need to fix any de-sync's for? Oh yeah, that's something else for the client and server to keep in sync... this must also be handled at the server end otherwise haxxorz might be able to doctor their client and run on overload without damaging their mods. Don't go for a full rollback, just get rid of heat. See if that makes any difference. Nobody wanted it anyway !!! I've got a nice screenshot of my ship taking damage from NPCs that are 58AU away and still on the overview after I had to warp back to the station from a mission dungeon. I'm warping with the "Core Admiral places an excellent hit...." message... This was after my Rage torps were hitting but failed to register any damage on it
Tarminic Black Flame Industries	Posted - 2007.07.16 19:27:00 - [46] I think you should all write some bad poetry about it. Also, if I may direct many of you present here to my signature. ------------ ULTIMATE LAG SOLUTION IBTL! IBDS/DC! IBTC! 1st in a BoB post! And other such forum tom-foolery.
Scorpyn Caldari Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.07.16 19:37:00 - [47] You can have a break from the whining now, they have a possible fix ready : http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=549542&page=2#52
Vitrael Stormriders Fimbulwinter	Posted - 2007.07.16 19:37:00 - [48] I love these threads where people complain about the game dying because they can't get any hot action in their 3000 man fleet slugfests. Here's an idea- Start doing real pvp. You know. Where something matters besides number of ships. ----------
Torshin Prophets Of a Damned Universe	Posted - 2007.07.16 19:44:00 - [49] Originally by: Death Kill Hey we got heat, what do they need to fix any de-sync's for? signed, CCP fix the game ------------------------------------------- Backdoor Bandit - Unofficial leader of the new 'Post with your main or STFU' campaign. Pinstar says "The nature of PVP is that more often than not, so
Tarminic Black Flame Industries	Posted - 2007.07.16 19:48:00 - [50] Originally by: Manina Boat Oh yeah, that's something else for the client and server to keep in sync... this must also be handled at the server end otherwise haxxorz might be able to doctor their client and run on overload without damaging their mods. Don't go for a full rollback, just get rid of heat. See if that makes any difference. Nobody wanted it anyway !!! Trust me, it won't. ------------ ULTIMATE LAG SOLUTION IBTL! IBDS/DC! IBTC! 1st in a BoB post! And other such forum tom-foolery.
Farscape Hw Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.07.16 19:48:00 - [51] though i do believe its the guys getting paid job to figure out whats wrong, i would hate see eve go to hell, and everyone quitting. someone tell me how to do this logserver thing. and if i do this, will it end just like every other bug report ive ever submitted on this account or any of my alts? "we could not replicate blah blah blah bull**... go ** yourself... logging off with agro and dissapearing is not a bug... go jump in a lake"
Vasant	Posted - 2007.07.16 19:56:00 - [52] There are some hilarious reports of people seeing corpses randomly appear, so they check them and its their OWN corpse. Yet, they are still in full control of their ship (can even scoop their own corpse) and even make it on killmails that happen after their own death mail is generated. This game is broken. ( I blame eve-voice ) Its a good thing we have Devs/Gms/CCP playing the game!
Scorpyn Caldari Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.07.16 20:03:00 - [53] Edited by: Scorpyn on 16/07/2007 20:03:39 Originally by: Farscape Hw though i do believe its the guys getting paid job to figure out whats wrong, i would hate see eve go to hell, and everyone quitting. someone tell me how to do this logserver thing. and if i do this, will it end just like every other bug report ive ever submitted on this account or any of my alts? "we could not replicate blah blah blah bull**... go ** yourself... logging off with agro and dissapearing is not a bug... go jump in a lake" Linkage 1 Linkage 2
Santa Anna Caldari Blackguard Brigade	Posted - 2007.07.17 01:12:00 - [54] Originally by: Vitrael I love these threads where people complain about the game dying because they can't get any hot action in their 3000 man fleet slugfests. Here's an idea- Start doing real pvp. You know. Where something matters besides number of ships. The problem with the desyncs is that they occur even in small gang and solo combat in lag-free environments. Lag is an unavoidable consequence of hundreds or thousands of people making simultaneous access requests to a server without the capacity to handle such requests and will always be a problem because the number of users will expand to meet capacity. Desync is a bug in the client/server interface. _____ Heat Warfare

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