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Aeleva
Caldari Hegemonic Core
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Posted - 2007.07.16 23:30:00 -
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Edited by: Aeleva on 16/07/2007 23:41:45 *edit*
Okay was a bit of a rant.
WHEN can we have a flashing "you are scrambled" indicator though?
Would make life alot easier in missions mainly...
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dragonofearth
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Posted - 2007.07.17 02:59:00 -
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i agree why does ccp ignore such and easy ix that i have seen many many player on eve and in the form get mad about it
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HeadWar
Minmatar North Star Networks Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2007.07.17 13:31:00 -
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Edited by: HeadWar on 17/07/2007 13:31:07 But there IS a notification. There's this small box that pops up going "Blablabla has begun warp scrambling you." Unless you're giving or taking a lot of fire at the moment, because then it might be lost completely, but hey, no system is perfect, right?
And anyway, you get an indicator for when you are being target painted, which in my mind is a lot more important.
</sarcasm>
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Anaalys Fluuterby
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.07.17 15:12:00 -
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Originally by: HeadWar Edited by: HeadWar on 17/07/2007 13:31:07 But there IS a notification. There's this small box that pops up going "Blablabla has begun warp scrambling you." Unless you're giving or taking a lot of fire at the moment, because then it might be lost completely, but hey, no system is perfect, right?
And anyway, you get an indicator for when you are being target painted, which in my mind is a lot more important.
</sarcasm>
heh. In any mission that you can get scrambled in that message is never seen. Why? Because you are taking dozens of hits a second. Might as well not be there. The only time you can see that "you are being scrambled" is when you hit a gate camp.
Even with Webbing you get a visual indication, why not with a scram? <-----------> Factional Warfare:
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Splagada
Minmatar Tides of Silence Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.17 15:39:00 -
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totally agreeing with that... ------
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Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron
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Posted - 2007.07.17 16:22:00 -
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CCP did promise to look into this and some devs even made some suggestions on how the warning indicators would be displayed in a couple of threads on this subject within the last month or two.
Maybe this will be implemented after the release of OOG EVE-voice client.
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Drizit
Amarr Lonely out here Black Sun Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.17 17:13:00 -
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It gets really annoying, you only know you are being scrambled when you try desperately to warp. Often, by the time you realise in a mission, it's far too late and you may as well go make a coffee and watch the inevitable explosion as you walk away.
In PVP, it can mean getting a second chance to fight or not. Knowing you are scrambled would allow you to have corpmates identify and take out the tackler. --
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HydroSan
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.07.17 19:47:00 -
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And it's not as though the game doesn't already let you know that you're scrambled, the message is just either not noticed because of the battle or pushed back because of damage messages/other 'xxx has started attempting to scramble yyy' messages.
CCP, the game already tells us whether or not we're scrambled - just make it a tiny bit more obvious to us at the UI level and we'll be happy. A blinking light near your HP readouts or something like that would suffice.
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Incantare
Caldari Darkness Inc.
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Posted - 2007.07.17 20:15:00 -
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Not getting that message in missions cost me a rigged drake.
Majorly annoying.
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Melanie Tenkai
Sylph Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.18 08:33:00 -
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Scrambler and disruptor has a graphic effects, it's just hard to see it, CCP should make it more clear and evident. It's a blue cilnder that come from the scrambling ship to your ship.
Personally I would liekto have the option to turn on and off a sorta of icone effects in an angle of the screen, like other RPG
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Neuromandis
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Posted - 2007.07.18 09:16:00 -
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Originally by: Melanie Tenkai Scrambler and disruptor has a graphic effects, it's just hard to see it, CCP should make it more clear and evident. It's a blue cilnder that come from the scrambling ship to your ship.
Apart from them being rather hard to see and practically impossible when viewing from a distance, if you disable effects (practically mandatory for anything but a 5-10 person gang) this does not display. A kind of icon is needed or something else, not effect-based. --- If someone else from my Corporation or Alliance agrees with me, he will say so. Assume nobody does :) --- WTB: Scorpion wing (left)
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doctorstupid2
Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2007.07.18 09:30:00 -
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There is one issue with this that is probably partly the reason it has not yet been implemented, the(not so) obvious issue of to make the indicator be on requires that your client polls the server to poll the clients of all nearby ships to see if you're scrambled, in large engagements this is clearly a bad idea. I suppose it could be made to work like the visual effect for scramblers (yes, there is one ) in that it works on a 5 second duration, so it wouldn't be quite up to the second, but more than likely good enough.
Another option, for the time being, is open your log, turn off combat messages and other rubbish in the log while leaving notify messages on, and make it transparent and small and pin it somewhere out of your way. Viola, now you can see the scrambling messages plain as day AND who is doing it. Feel free to send me isk donations for providing you such a fantastic (hopefully temporary) work-around.
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Divideby0
Gallente Amalgamated Industries
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Posted - 2007.07.18 16:47:00 -
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There are already graphic effects which mark which ship is doing what, but as we've already discussed, they aren't very effective.
It wouldn't be very hard on CCP's part to mark the + or [ ] with what it is doing
S - Scramble E - ECM R - Repair P - paint N - Neutralize Energy T - Transfer energy B - Boost sensor W - web D - Wampen V - Energy Vampire L - Tracking Link
WOW look at that! We don't even have any overlap!...unless I missed something.
Who is the bigger carebear: The miner who braves lowsec on his own, or the "PvPer" who attacks an unarmed ship? |
Buyerr
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Posted - 2007.07.18 21:37:00 -
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Originally by: dragonofearth i agree why does ccp ignore such and easy ix that i have seen many many player on eve and in the form get mad about it
bob <---- reason why everything that have to do catching and holding is so easy.. reason the creators are living that aspect of the game, which means they don't give a flying Fish about anything else :)
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Onyx Wrathbringer
Vendetta Underground Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.07.19 00:02:00 -
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Edited by: Onyx Wrathbringer on 19/07/2007 00:02:34 /signed
This would be a major improvement. Right now I have to scramble through logs and/or look really really hard for the pulsing effect a ship shoots toward you when you are scrambled. Most ECM mods and NOS give you a timer or indicator. Why not give one for being warp scrambled.
Oh yeah, and a indication on which ship is doing the scramble like a dot next to the ship in the overview or something.
My .10 ISK
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Neuromandis
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Posted - 2007.07.19 00:26:00 -
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Originally by: doctorstupid2 the(not so) obvious issue of to make the indicator be on requires that your client polls the server to poll the clients of all nearby ships to see if you're scrambled, in large engagements this is clearly a bad idea.
That sounds wrong somehow. If your client knows you're scrambled well enough to display the nice scramble graphic, it knows it well enough to blink a buton, display a letter, something. --- If someone else from my Corporation or Alliance agrees with me, he will say so. Assume nobody does :) --- WTB: Scorpion wing (left)
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Iyeasu
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Posted - 2007.10.17 04:53:00 -
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This really needs to be implemented. I just lost a Rokh with 100m worth of guns and 60m worth of rigs on it and that's just for starters. I guess that's my own fault for fitting it so expensive, but what can ya do.
How goddamned hard would it be to make the speed indicator flash red or something? As others have noted, it should not be difficult at all for CCP to do this. And I see by searching the forums that people have been complaining about it for years now.
I don't think having a warning like this would in any way be lame or a "soft" option appreciated only by wusses. I mean, you get clear feedback on other detrimental effects, so why not this potentially very dangerous one? And if the "hardcore" players don't like the clear visual feedback then maybe it could be an option to switch it off.
If I'd known I was being scrambled and, better yet, by exactly which ship, I'd have had a better chance of killing the ship that was doing it. I got about 7 frigates with my drones before getting killed and there were 5 more to go, but I didn't even know I was scrambled until it was already time to flee. Argh.
I must admit I've never noticed any blue beam on me when scrambled but I'm going to keep an eye open for it next time.
Ah well, time to re-fit a new ship LOL
On the other hand, it's a hell of an adrenaline rush when you know you're f***ed!
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Rawr Cristina
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.10.17 10:37:00 -
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Edited by: Rawr Cristina on 17/10/2007 10:37:24 Scramble effects are easy to see if you know what to look for. Just look for blue pulses coming out of those pesky frigs orbiting you at 3km, then if you see something - kill it. I've yet to lose any ship in a Mission because of this.
but I suppose it wouldn't hurt making it clearer. An indicator of sorts would be nice. -----
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Hermosa Diosas
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Posted - 2007.10.17 11:07:00 -
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is the annoying and dreaded ' You are unable to warp cos you are warp scrambled' voice give enough indication?
Or perhaps a timer like they have when getting jammed would be good, its already in the system so shouldnt take that much to change.
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Kayna Eelai
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Posted - 2007.10.17 11:10:00 -
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Originally by: Divideby0 There are already graphic effects which mark which ship is doing what, but as we've already discussed, they aren't very effective.
It wouldn't be very hard on CCP's part to mark the + or [ ] with what it is doing
S - Scramble E - ECM R - Repair P - paint N - Neutralize Energy T - Transfer energy B - Boost sensor W - web D - Wampen V - Energy Vampire L - Tracking Link
WOW look at that! We don't even have any overlap!...unless I missed something.
last time i asked for this, i got gently told by the community to GTFO and play WoW.
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Kuolematon
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
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Posted - 2007.10.17 12:05:00 -
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I think year was 2004 when I asked this. Now we are soon hitting 2008. Perhaps CCP is doing record for being laziest one around? *g* .. joking!
Please implement somekind of "debuff" bar .. plz? kthxbai ^___^
It's great being Amarr isn't it.
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InsaneMachine
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Posted - 2007.10.17 14:16:00 -
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Agreed, it would be helpful to have something like this. And like someone else pointed it out, if the client knows it is scrammed already(thus not allowing you to warp) there are no problems with having something flashy red to tell you that you are scrammed.
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Valator Uel
Caldari Pax Minor Asylum Confederation of Independent Corporations
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Posted - 2007.10.17 14:19:00 -
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There is a way to do thism it just takes a bit of screen space. 1) Open your logs 2) Go to settings 3) deselect "show combat messages"
Now all you have to do is place it somewhere on your screen and you'll immidiatly see who is scrambling you and when. Not perfect but does the job untill CCP does thiers. -----------------------------------------------------
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Rosur
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.10.17 14:20:00 -
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Make the speedo go red when ure scramed would be best i think.
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Leandro Salazar
The Blackguard Wolves Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2007.10.17 14:25:00 -
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Originally by: Iyeasu If I'd known I was being scrambled and, better yet, by exactly which ship, I'd have had a better chance of killing the ship that was doing it. I got about 7 frigates with my drones before getting killed and there were 5 more to go, but I didn't even know I was scrambled until it was already time to flee. Argh.
TBh you (and all the others) just fail at missioning... You just need to know beforehand which frigs CAN scramble you, and as long as any of those are nearby, assume you are always scrambled and kill them asap. Unless you mess up triggers, there are hardly ever more than 3 scramblers on you at any one time. Sounds like you wasted too much time on standard frigs and let the scramblers live... I have played like the above since the beginning of time and never lost a real ship in a mission. Not that an indicator that tells you who scrambles you wouldn't be nice, but it is nowhere near as badly needed as you people make it out to be. A little brain use combined with paranoia can do the same.
There is no 'n' in turret There is no 'r' in faction There is no 'a' in Scorpion There is no 'e' in Caldari There is no makeup in rogue drones |
Iyeasu
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Posted - 2007.10.17 16:15:00 -
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Originally by: Leandro Salazar TBh you (and all the others) just fail at missioning... You just need to know beforehand which frigs CAN scramble you, and as long as any of those are nearby, assume you are always scrambled and kill them asap. Unless you mess up triggers, there are hardly ever more than 3 scramblers on you at any one time. Sounds like you wasted too much time on standard frigs and let the scramblers live... I have played like the above since the beginning of time and never lost a real ship in a mission. Not that an indicator that tells you who scrambles you wouldn't be nice, but it is nowhere near as badly needed as you people make it out to be. A little brain use combined with paranoia can do the same.
TBH, I agree with you, and this is only the second ship I have ever lost in a mission because I always use that approach too. But, like you said, it really wouldn't be a bad idea to have a clear alert to tell you you've been scrambled. In fact, not having an obvious warning seems like a glaring ommission to me. Until CCP gets their finger out on this one, I might de-activate other notifications from the log, but that seems like a lame work-around - I like seeing how much damage is being done by me and to me in a fight.
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Ciara Daag
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Posted - 2007.10.17 16:43:00 -
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Originally by: Aeleva Edited by: Aeleva on 17/07/2007 08:40:11 Edited by: Aeleva on 16/07/2007 23:41:45 *edit*
Okay was a bit of a rant.
WHEN can we have a flashing "you are scrambled" indicator though?
Would make life alot easier in missions mainly...
*edit*
Make it so the strip that shows your current speed flashes red, but see though so it doesnt hide speed, when you are scrambled? Or some other warning indicator. Main thing i see it having a use in is fighting loads of NPCs in a mission or similar so you know as soon as they scramble you.
Not just an indication we are being scrambled,but an indicator WHO is scrambling you. Being warp scrambled is a pretty big deal. I can imagine a large flashing red indicator and a warning alarm going off. (like red alert on the old enterprise)
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Shereza
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Posted - 2007.10.17 16:48:00 -
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Honestly, the notification of EW setup in EVE needs to be overhauled.
For example, I never knew that serpentis rats used sensor dampeners until a level 2 Blockade when my drake couldn't target some of them at the customary 70km or so range that I have.
All this time a little "miscellaneous" bar shows up and I don't know if it's webbing, disruptors, painters, dampeners, or what.
Heck, do NPCs even use target painters? I don't know because "miscellaneous" sure isn't very informative.
What NPCs use tracking disruptors? Again, I don't know, same reason.
Did I actually get warp scrambled in that mission? Maybe I'll know if my alt in a DPS abaddon sees the message but I sure as heck won't in my drake tanking fire from 10-15 battleships and 10-15+ smaller ships.
Using the logs to find out that sort of information would be nice if opening up the window didn't freeze up the client for a couple of seconds. Sure, I know, open it up before I go into combat but I'm the sort of person who often undocks, realizes they forgot the ammo, docks, loads up, undocks, realizes they're still using the last mission's hardeners/amps, docks, switches resistance boosters, undocks, and then realizes they forgot to accept the mission.
IOW, having one more thing to remember to do *before* I go into combat will be just plain frustrating.
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Ztrain
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.10.17 18:27:00 -
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Originally by: dragonofearth i agree why does ccp ignore such and easy ix that i have seen many many player on eve and in the form get mad about it
Because they don't have any programmers on staff that can figure out how to do it. OMG we don't have a hook in our script language we can't do that it's impossible!!!
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Katana Seiko
Made in Germany
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Posted - 2007.10.17 22:16:00 -
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I'd offer a perfect, simple solution: currently the speed indicator is blue... maybe when scrambled it could turn red or something...
if we all focus on that and demand the same way of displaying it instead of "give us some indicator of some sort" posts we won't achieve anything... -- The future begins now - in EVE we live it, in real life we create it!
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