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Dzajic
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Posted - 2012.01.16 17:38:00 -
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Argus Eritaramis wrote:You do realize you have just managed to prove that CCP does not need to change incursions, right?
More so than tech moons, they are giving people something to fight about - and thats exactly what eve is all about.
So the more you prove you can police the incursions through your own actions, the more you in fact insure that everything will just keep on as it is.
I just love the irony.
You are wrong. You can't "Fight over and incursion" when one side wants to keep them open ; and other side wants to close them all but one, cram everyone in there and flood channels with griefing "fleets". "Fighting over an incrusions " is your bog standard site contesting that has been going on from forever.
Attacking side has an enormous advantage. Imagine if Tech moons were destroyable. Though not completely same as in that case all Tc moons in EVE would be gone in couple of months. |
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Posted - 2012.01.18 15:32:00 -
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Orvy wrote:I think if you can do this it'd be great.
i used to run incursions in a mach with a group called SSN, i made 1.2b in a day by running vanguards, and over 500m/day on the other incursion days (i just wasnt on as much) and at the end of it i didnt make the top 9 on the 'constellation liberated' notification. which goes to show how much the other all made.. i remember one notification all 9 were people from the SSN group.. they have done it repeatedly too.
IMO as soon as the mom spawns all sites should be terminated and only the mom plex left or whatever it is (i never killed a mom in incursions, i was just farming like you say)
or atleast all sites should be terminated once its spawned and the penalties are 0%..
Wow... you were playing EVE 10 hours a day? Not healthy for you man. |
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Posted - 2012.01.19 15:23:00 -
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Krissada wrote:Frank Pannon wrote:Here is my simple logic.
Running incursions helps me to buy PvP ships and participate in lowsec, nullsec and WH fleets with friends. There we kill and get killed. We meet new people and interact, experience new things and have fun.
More ISK -> more PvP -> more fun.
This is how I play this game called EVE. It is an MMO, and you can of course influence my gaming experience.
But it does not make you a hero.
Your 15 minutes of fame are ticking. And you really think this is working as intended? Should PVP'ers go back to highsec "safe space" to earn "PvP time" (let's be honest that's what ISK really is) before they venture out again? Is highsec incursion not just a pit-stop for PvP'ers? "I am going to highsec to earn some ISK before I can come back and lose more ships or whatever in dangerous space". Is this really something you approve of? You don't think the most rewarding features should be in less safe space? Where's your logic now? Over my dead body.Your lovely incursions are going down mate. YOUR isk making time is ticking off.
Rofl. That is how EVE has worked since people started using jump clones and alts. Poor suckers without any of those; stuck being rank and file troops in 00 are ones without isk to afford fun. Everyone who appreciated their time has had highsec money making alts; trade, invention, L4s... whatever. That is simply how EVE works for anyone with brains.
You can kill Incursions (I'd like to see your mom killing fleet attendance during weekdays in a month or two) but you will not change that. If you somehow manage to convince CCP to finally remove highsec L4s (that act alone would lose so many subs its not even funny to consider) people would go for exploration or trade or invention. |
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Posted - 2012.01.19 15:50:00 -
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Krissada wrote:Dzajic wrote:If you somehow manage to convince CCP to finally remove highsec L4s (that act alone would lose so many subs its not even funny to consider) people would go for exploration or trade or invention. Oh you ******* imbecile. How did this suddenly become a discussion about lvl 4 missions? Are you really that simple minded? Find me a quote where I (me, myself and Krissada) state that I want lvl 4's moved to lowsec. If I was a carebear, I'd be ashamed to be even in the same room as you.
I really do enjoy these futile discussions cause you will accomplish nothing of them. Continue talking mate, I wanna see if you can find arguments that are more useless that the ones you've already used. "This is how it's always been so it should stay this way" <--- brilliant argument.
Can you talk without using insults and profanities?
You said that you will not allow anyone to casually fund their playtime and PVP by doing highsec incursions nor anything similar; as you don't want EVE to be that way. After highsec Incrusiosn are gone L4s are next step; there have been infinite number of "CCP nurf them" threads over the years; once Incursiosn are no longer interesting people will returning to whining about L4s. |
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Posted - 2012.01.19 16:09:00 -
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So what level of income should Incursions be nerfed to for you to stop doing this? Just asking... What would according to you be ok payout per hour for highsec Incursions? |
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Posted - 2012.01.19 16:51:00 -
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I will kindly point you to CSM minutes where CCP and CSM agreed that sites actually already last too short (yeah, only a week) and that moms get vulnerable too soon. Take form that what you wish. |
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Posted - 2012.01.19 17:31:00 -
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Krissada wrote:Dzajic wrote:I will kindly point you to CSM minutes where CCP and CSM agreed that sites actually already last too short (yeah, only a week) and that moms get vulnerable too soon. Take form that what you wish. Again I will go for an ad hominem. This case because you have no idea what you are talking about. You sir are dumb. Doing what we are doing requires insider knowledge about how incursions work and everything about this mechanic and this has taught us that: What CCP and CSM is referring to in the minutes is that incursions last too short in terms of "when they can be killed" if it wasn't for the carebear NAP you have all setup. In terms of the influence and penalties being removed in less than a day from the incursion and then it is a pure safe heaven for everyone to come and earn isk. That is what they are talking about. Not the "incursions should last more than 7 days". Yet another argument of yours taken down to the ground. Oh please do keep going.
Ok, other than calling my dumb for 5th time; could you please answer any of my questions?
How much should high sec incursions pay?
What is it that you keep mentioning that we should do to stop you?
Btw the "carebear NAP" is only reasonable thing anyone would have done in the same position. I've asked dozen times in this and M&E thread, why in the name of God would anyone intentionally chose to decrease their potential for isk making? |
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Posted - 2012.01.20 00:33:00 -
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Alexandra Delarge wrote:TurAmarth ElRandir wrote:Alexandra Delarge wrote:Incursions have created conflict in game between players, news items and spawned multiple threads on the forums .All of it driven by the players. This is Eve.
+1 quoted for truth. ... and its working exactly as they hoped. =] You think killing NPCs is griefing. Please don't like or +1 my post.
Killing a specific NPCs for sole purpose to prevent other people farming isk by killing some other NPCs over and over again; and enjoy their rage about it... That is near textbook definition of griefing. |
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