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L0st S0ul	Posted - 2007.07.17 13:02:00 - [1] Been playing for about 2 months now and lost. I can't decide what career I want. I would like to PVP but like to do missions, wouldn't mind mining and producing stuff. If i don't play pvp, is there a point to playing a game you pay a lot for ? Why do people play eve without playing pvp ? I'm a carebear at the moment because the risk of losing a ships is too much for me to keep replacing. How do you move from carebear to 0.0 life without losing ships all the time.
L0st S0ul	Posted - 2007.07.17 13:02:00 - [2] Been playing for about 2 months now and lost. I can't decide what career I want. I would like to PVP but like to do missions, wouldn't mind mining and producing stuff. If i don't play pvp, is there a point to playing a game you pay a lot for ? Why do people play eve without playing pvp ? I'm a carebear at the moment because the risk of losing a ships is too much for me to keep replacing. How do you move from carebear to 0.0 life without losing ships all the time.
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2007.07.17 13:06:00 - [3] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 17/07/2007 13:07:39 Most people probably do a little bit of everything. And all it takes to pvp is a tech 1 frigate and some balls. :) --- Originally by: CCP Wrangler You're not supposed to feel like you're logging in to a happy, happy, fluffy, fluffy lala land filled with fun and adventures, thats what hello kitty online is for.
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2007.07.17 13:06:00 - [4] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 17/07/2007 13:07:39 Most people probably do a little bit of everything. And all it takes to pvp is a tech 1 frigate and some balls. :) --- Originally by: CCP Wrangler You're not supposed to feel like you're logging in to a happy, happy, fluffy, fluffy lala land filled with fun and adventures, thats what hello kitty online is for.
Kagura Nikon Minmatar Guardians of the Dawn Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.07.17 13:08:00 - [5] Join a corp. Its the first step you need to do. Then try another corp and another... If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough
Kagura Nikon Minmatar Guardians of the Dawn Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.07.17 13:08:00 - [6] Join a corp. Its the first step you need to do. Then try another corp and another... If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough
Winterblink Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.07.17 13:09:00 - [7] Originally by: L0st S0ul Been playing for about 2 months now and lost. I can't decide what career I want. I would like to PVP but like to do missions, wouldn't mind mining and producing stuff. If i don't play pvp, is there a point to playing a game you pay a lot for ? Why do people play eve without playing pvp ? I'm a carebear at the moment because the risk of losing a ships is too much for me to keep replacing. How do you move from carebear to 0.0 life without losing ships all the time. Flying what you can't afford to lose -- and subsequently losing it -- is probably the #1 soul crushing thing to happen to newer players. Sounds like you've got the right idea so far by taking it easy while you learn the ropes. As for the last question, really if you want to do that fast fast fast, your best chance is by joining a corp already active in 0.0. As to why people play EVE without doing PVP, there's two thoughts to that. 1) all of EVE is PVP (mission running even, markets, etc). 2) Not everyone enjoys the same aspects about MMOs, some like to munch roids, some like to build, some like to blow/hack stuff up. warp drive active \| nature vraie
Winterblink Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.07.17 13:09:00 - [8] Originally by: L0st S0ul Been playing for about 2 months now and lost. I can't decide what career I want. I would like to PVP but like to do missions, wouldn't mind mining and producing stuff. If i don't play pvp, is there a point to playing a game you pay a lot for ? Why do people play eve without playing pvp ? I'm a carebear at the moment because the risk of losing a ships is too much for me to keep replacing. How do you move from carebear to 0.0 life without losing ships all the time. Flying what you can't afford to lose -- and subsequently losing it -- is probably the #1 soul crushing thing to happen to newer players. Sounds like you've got the right idea so far by taking it easy while you learn the ropes. As for the last question, really if you want to do that fast fast fast, your best chance is by joining a corp already active in 0.0. As to why people play EVE without doing PVP, there's two thoughts to that. 1) all of EVE is PVP (mission running even, markets, etc). 2) Not everyone enjoys the same aspects about MMOs, some like to munch roids, some like to build, some like to blow/hack stuff up. warp drive active \| nature vraie
DubanFP Caldari Four Rings D-L	Posted - 2007.07.17 13:11:00 - [9] Originally by: L0st S0ul If i don't play pvp, is there a point to playing a game you pay a lot for ? As far as i'm concerned nope, but i'm sure there will be those who argue. Also missions running and PVP require similer skills, but entirely different mentallities. Also nobody should be a cearbear because they're afraid of losing their ship. FLY A CHEAPER SHIP! It's that simple. Also don't go into 0.0 alone because you'll get your ass handed to you on a silver plate. Find a good 0.0 or pirate corp and learn from them. ________________ DubanFP> Feigning "honor" is just a way to get the other guy to screw himself over, hopefully to your benefit
DubanFP Caldari Four Rings D-L	Posted - 2007.07.17 13:11:00 - [10] Originally by: L0st S0ul If i don't play pvp, is there a point to playing a game you pay a lot for ? As far as i'm concerned nope, but i'm sure there will be those who argue. Also missions running and PVP require similer skills, but entirely different mentallities. Also nobody should be a cearbear because they're afraid of losing their ship. FLY A CHEAPER SHIP! It's that simple. Also don't go into 0.0 alone because you'll get your ass handed to you on a silver plate. Find a good 0.0 or pirate corp and learn from them. ________________ DubanFP> Feigning "honor" is just a way to get the other guy to screw himself over, hopefully to your benefit
Wild Xenria Gallente Space Locusts	Posted - 2007.07.17 13:15:00 - [11] Hope some of this helps... Why play without pvp? 1. According to Ovuer even trading on market is "pvp". (I'd even say in a more abstract way making your own ammo etc could be the same, you don't need to buy it so you're denying someone a sale. But thats just extending the arguement.) 2. They like EVE enough to pay for it, for whatever reason. My main reason is the style of skill building suits me, plus I know several people in rl and from online who play. Therefore I can play a game and keep up with mates. All with nice sci-fi backdrop. I think of the money issue in this way, if I didnt play EVE, what would I spend the money on and would it be as much or more fun. So far EVE keeps winning. Haven't a clue about 0.0, but the aim of myself and my partner has been making our chars a good team, able to do most things between us.
Wild Xenria Gallente Space Locusts	Posted - 2007.07.17 13:15:00 - [12] Hope some of this helps... Why play without pvp? 1. According to Ovuer even trading on market is "pvp". (I'd even say in a more abstract way making your own ammo etc could be the same, you don't need to buy it so you're denying someone a sale. But thats just extending the arguement.) 2. They like EVE enough to pay for it, for whatever reason. My main reason is the style of skill building suits me, plus I know several people in rl and from online who play. Therefore I can play a game and keep up with mates. All with nice sci-fi backdrop. I think of the money issue in this way, if I didnt play EVE, what would I spend the money on and would it be as much or more fun. So far EVE keeps winning. Haven't a clue about 0.0, but the aim of myself and my partner has been making our chars a good team, able to do most things between us.
OneSock Silentia Mortalis Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.17 13:23:00 - [13] Depends what you enjoy in the game. Some people like PvP combat, others get more of a kick empire building. Myself I am a trader and minor producer, explorer and mission runner. This keeps me in isk to buy cool new ships and stuff. (I'm a bit of a hoarder). It's always been my aim to make wealth creation fairly passive so i can spend less time missioning and more time on PvP combat. It's taken me almost 2 years ... but then I have blown a lot of isk on fancy ships to decorate my hangers.
Onchas Erivvia Black Eclipse Corp	Posted - 2007.07.17 13:33:00 - [14] Originally by: L0st S0ul Been playing for about 2 months now and lost. I can't decide what career I want. I would like to PVP but like to do missions, wouldn't mind mining and producing stuff. If i don't play pvp, is there a point to playing a game you pay a lot for? Why do people play eve without playing pvp ? I'm a carebear at the moment because the risk of losing a ships is too much for me to keep replacing. How do you move from carebear to 0.0 life without losing ships all the time. First of all, carebear is more of a state of mind than a career choice or if you're in high-sec verses 0.0. Don't let the epeen'ers confuse you on this point. They want to try to cast anyone who doesn't spend 23/7 in a PvP set-up orbiting a station waiting for glorious 1v1 combat lesser than they. You also need to keep in mind that most of the guys who talk down like that will sit at a gate in a battleship with their smartbombs turned on, finger over the cloak button in case anything bigger than a frigate shows up. Living out in 0.0 and making isk requires you to do a little bit of everything really. Being a combat oriented character is a bit more efficient because you can make a decent amount of isk ratting. But miners and builders can make a lot out there too. Eve is, at its core, a PvP game. If that's trying to out compete people on the market, find a lucrative trade route, get a better researched BPO to make BPCs from to sell, or if it's just blowing people up. It's all PvP. Two months in, you still need to do some skill training, and you still need to work on learning the game mechanics. If you're not in a corp yet, I think you need to seriously look at finding a good corporation. I can't help you with that, I really don't know what corps are good. My advice, however, is to avoid the ones that make themselves sound awesome in a forum but when you get there they don't have many people online, they don't talk to each other, and they don't do anything together -- I just described probably 90% of the corps in Eve. Take your time in find a corp. Look for one that's a good fit for you. ------------------------------------------ "Damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead!"' Teh Onchinator' Personal Assistant to MrsPitman
L0st S0ul	Posted - 2007.07.17 13:38:00 - [15] My m8 tells me you can make more money in 0.0 just by ratting and the rewards far outstrip the losses. The last time I was in 0.3 sec a gate camper destroyed my destroyer in 3 shots, if that is the type of enemy i will be meeting all the time what kind of ship do i need ? a frigate would be killed as easy surely ?
Miss Anthropy School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2007.07.17 13:40:00 - [16] Originally by: Jim McGregor Edited by: Jim McGregor on 17/07/2007 13:07:39 Most people probably do a little bit of everything. And all it takes to pvp is a tech 1 frigate and some balls. :) OK, I got the Tech 1 frigate and it's good to go, but what do I do with the balls?
SiJira	Posted - 2007.07.17 13:46:00 - [17] Originally by: L0st S0ul Been playing for about 2 months now and lost. I can't decide what career I want. I would like to PVP but like to do missions, wouldn't mind mining and producing stuff. If i don't play pvp, is there a point to playing a game you pay a lot for ? Why do people play eve without playing pvp ? I'm a carebear at the moment because the risk of losing a ships is too much for me to keep replacing. How do you move from carebear to 0.0 life without losing ships all the time. 0.0 - empty system far away from any travel routes for the ratting and living in 0.0 setup jump clone closer to the common battlegrounds with the npc stations and go pvp ____ __ ________ _sig below_ the jet cans are made so that people that dont mine can get free ore miners ritually donate the ore to anyone wishing to take some
Ione Hunt 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.07.17 13:49:00 - [18] Find a good corp is the first step. The "problem" you're having is actually a great feature, the freedom to do whatever you want Just try everything and do whatever you feel like. A lot of ppl mine/rat/mission run to make isk for a few days/weeks and then PVP till they're broke again. The clever ones find ways to make passive income to fund their PVP addiction...trading for example. _______________
L0st S0ul	Posted - 2007.07.17 14:03:00 - [19] Fair enough, i'll have to plod on for now skill up and learn more. Currently saving up for a Drake and will have the skills to fly it too, I could buy a ferox now but apparently the Drake is better for lvl 3 mission running. I got a Caracal atm but it can't take on 3 BC's usually found in lvl 3 missions.
Death Merchant InterGalactic Corp. Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.07.17 14:30:00 - [20] In my opinion, if pvp is one of your goals, then hoarding up huge amounts of isk for a year or 2 seems to be waisting valuable experience time. Thanks to the upgraded BC's, ,frigates with 3 mids slots, interceptors and much cheaper tech 2 mods, your pvp ready almost upon character creation. Your body/presence alone makes you almost immediately valuable to some corps. Most 0.0 corps I know allow you (outside of war or alliance ops)to go back to empire to do mission. Some regions have 0.0. agents if you don't want to travel that far. Having a lot of isk doesn't make you a better pvp'er. Experience does. My recomendation is stay in empire till you can fly that BC and can do missions effectively then start looking for a corp that will let you do all the things you listed.
BluOrange Gallente Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2007.07.17 14:41:00 - [21] You can't move from a carebear existance to a pvp life without losing ships. Indeed, you can't have a pvp life without losing ships; PVPers lose ships and they get podded, and they have to learn to cope with that if they're going to keep PVPing. That said, there are ways you can minimise the number of ships you have to lose. I think Agony's classes do a pretty good job of helping people to have the skills and confidence to operate in 0.0. My limited experience with other PVP corps says that most of them will make some kind of effort to do the same; the thing that makes Agony unique at the moment is that we are the only corp that will teach non-members. Me, I PVP, I run missions, I trade, I manufacture, and I research. One of the best things about EVE is that you don't have to choose one of these things and exclude the others. Recruitment FAQ
Admiral Shallow Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2007.07.17 14:43:00 - [22] Originally by: L0st S0ul Been playing for about 2 months now and lost. I can't decide what career I want. I would like to PVP but like to do missions, wouldn't mind mining and producing stuff. If i don't play pvp, is there a point to playing a game you pay a lot for ? Why do people play eve without playing pvp ? I'm a carebear at the moment because the risk of losing a ships is too much for me to keep replacing. How do you move from carebear to 0.0 life without losing ships all the time. Create a corp, wardec BoB BTW You Suck
BluOrange Gallente Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2007.07.17 14:48:00 - [23] Edited by: BluOrange on 17/07/2007 14:48:34 Originally by: L0st S0ul My m8 tells me you can make more money in 0.0 just by ratting and the rewards far outstrip the losses. The last time I was in 0.3 sec a gate camper destroyed my destroyer in 3 shots, if that is the type of enemy i will be meeting all the time what kind of ship do i need ? a frigate would be killed as easy surely ? The frigate is the most PVP-survivable tech1 ship class in the game. (The interceptor is the most survivable class) It is almost impossible to kill a frigate pilot who doesn't want to fight and who doesn't make any mistakes. Destroyers are slower and less maneuverable than frigates, they have the same tank, they present bigger targets, and they can be locked more quickly. (They are also one of the most isk-effective ways to deliver a massive amount of damage to your target, and are one of the few ships that interceptor pilots can't afford to go near.) In PVE, it's mostly about flying a better ship. But in PVP, it's mostly about flying your ship better. Recruitment FAQ
Eemaavi Amarr	Posted - 2007.07.17 15:08:00 - [24] Edited by: Eemaavi on 17/07/2007 15:10:18 Lots of Good Advice (Except that Admiral Shallow,, Funny but not good just sneak into their space and pop their rats Nice Iskies )... That Said don't Neglect your Frigate Skills just because your Going to a Battle Cruiser- The Drake is Nice but thats not the one you want to lose...You always keep 1 ship as your Money-Maker and the Rest consider "Disposable" Keep this in mind as your move of the Ship "Food Chain" Its been said that you can't PvP With losing Ships this is soo True, hance Disposable Frigs.. (Punisher and Rifter are Great PvP Frigs, don't be afraid to train another race if you like that ship your not locked in!) If You are seriously wanting to do PvP then Train to be able to use: 1. Warp Disruptors 2. Stasis Webifiers 3. Micro WarpDrives 3. Sensor Boosters. Training these Items up makes you able to "Tackle" other Ships while a Friend in a bigger ship(s) kills them. All Corps need people to be Tacklers it's a dirty job one perfectly suited to newbies such as yourself since you have such low skill points and your clones are Cheap. Also Training for Interceptors or Stealth Bombers/Covops or Interdictors is another option that makes you valuable to to a Corp. The Sad reality is that most 0.0 Corps want people who can Fly Battleships, large Guns (PRef t2) and Hit out to a MINIMUM of 150k. If you Don't have that (and that takes awhile) then being able to perform a Niche role well, (Interdictors/CovOPs Esp)will make you valuable. Joining Agony Unleashed was mentioned and while I have not Taken their Courses, I have flown a few people that have and their training seems solid.. At the very least it should remove /reduce the fear of losing your ship and build your confidence up.. Good luck Yeah I'm an Alt- Go cry elswhere

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2007.07.17 15:11:00 - [25] mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine build mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine pirate mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine scam mine mine mine mine mine mine mine pvp mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine yours mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine pew pew mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine quit mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine trade mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine others mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine ! Help me help you .

Admiral Shallow Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2007.07.17 15:15:00 - [26] Originally by: Chribba mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine build mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine pirate mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine scam mine mine mine mine mine mine mine pvp mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine yours mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine pew pew mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine quit mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine trade mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine others mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine m BTW You Suck
Eemaavi Amarr	Posted - 2007.07.17 15:24:00 - [27] Or you could Mine.... Yeah I'm an Alt- Go cry elswhere
L0st S0ul	Posted - 2007.07.17 15:30:00 - [28] Well I joined the game not knowing anything about it so never knew what race would more suit my needs or even what my needs were. I've trained up what I think would be useful in order to get me to lvl 3 missions but now i've got there the Caracal isn't good enough so training for BC and saving. Also got interested in exploration so have been training those skills as well, got a few days left on electronic upgrades for lvl 5 and then I have to do survey and archeaology before i'm fully qualified as to speak. I'll then be moving onto covop skills as the covop ship is best for exploration, at this point I will be looking into cloaking so I can explore in 0.0 - 0.4 I'm hoping by then i'll have enough experience and cash to start playing about in 0.4 - 0.0 and use my BC for mission running in carebear land. Sound like a good plan ?
L0st S0ul	Posted - 2007.07.17 15:34:00 - [29] Originally by: Admiral Shallow Originally by: Chribba mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine.......... [\quote] A bit boring for me but I do have an Osprey with 788 cargo space and 2x miner II and 2xheavy launchers with a giant secure can near a roid belt and then use a badger to empty it. i'd just fall asleep doing that all night.
Dietes Marcellus	Posted - 2007.07.17 15:45:00 - [30] Price of zydrine has been going back up latley :) But don't tell anyone
Alski Gallente Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.17 16:10:00 - [31] Originally by: L0st S0ul Well I joined the game not knowing anything about it so never knew what race would more suit my needs or even what my needs were. I've trained up what I think would be useful in order to get me to lvl 3 missions but now i've got there the Caracal isn't good enough so training for BC and saving. Also got interested in exploration so have been training those skills as well, got a few days left on electronic upgrades for lvl 5 and then I have to do survey and archeaology before i'm fully qualified as to speak. I'll then be moving onto covop skills as the covop ship is best for exploration, at this point I will be looking into cloaking so I can explore in 0.0 - 0.4 I'm hoping by then i'll have enough experience and cash to start playing about in 0.4 - 0.0 and use my BC for mission running in carebear land. Sound like a good plan ? All good except for the 0.0-0.4 bit, there is a big difference between lowsec (0.1-0.4) and 0.0, going to 0.0 while not part of a corp that is based or has access to 0.0 will likeley result in swift distruction of whatever ship you go in That one small detail aside, level 3 missions are reasonable isk, and lowsec exploration is a great isk maker provided you can do the whole lot (ie: salvage, archiology, hacking, combat.) just be sure to find a nice quite area to do it in, not all lowsec is equaly unsafe. - (combat) Patch belonging to CCP hits your drones, wrecking their liberty and freedom.
Adjasarcanter Amarr Aegis Militia	Posted - 2007.07.17 16:45:00 - [32] Edited by: Adjasarcanter on 17/07/2007 16:47:56 Edited by: Adjasarcanter on 17/07/2007 16:46:44 A good starting point for a new player imo is salvaging. It's a clean efficient way to make solid isk. Basically, you get 2 lots of loot from every ship instead of one, and you can then either sell the salvage or build rigs out of them to sell on the market. Try either of these and you will find they net a decent amount of ISK for a young player (far more than what you get from just melting or selling the loot you get from missions.) The next step is to find a 0.0 corp and use the ISK to fund a load of cheap ships so they can take you around on a few ops and show you the ropes of PvP and surviving in 0.0. And don't forget, train your Learning skills up as high as possible as soon as possible :) One final point, NEVER get attached to your ships! You WILL lose them so get used to it.
Agarttha Nova Inc.	Posted - 2007.07.17 16:59:00 - [33] it depends. if you like playing with dolls, you will have alts. and they will make money for you doing missions or mining or building stuff while you play with your favorite doll, the pvp main. but if you dont like to play with dolls, you will have one character. and all the hardship that brings... so basically, you can either infantilize your game experience - or play with high-stakes. your choice. Who is John Galt?
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.07.17 17:02:00 - [34] Find a goal. All of EVE's gameplay is fairly worthless without a goal. - I wish I was a three foot female doll with a watering can and heterochromatic eyes.
Eemaavi Amarr	Posted - 2007.07.17 17:04:00 - [35] Originally by: Alski Originally by: L0st S0ul All good except for the 0.0-0.4 bit, there is a big difference between lowsec (0.1-0.4) and 0.0, going to 0.0 while not part of a corp that is based or has access to 0.0 will likeley result in swift distruction of whatever ship you go in Here I will Politely disagree, .4-.1 space is pirate infested crap. (No offence to pirates Yaaar). You will lose more ships there than you think. However its not too bad for exploration since you can solo alot of stuff. Exploration in 0.0 is tougher since the sites I've found were filled with enough BS's to make the baby Jesus cry. That said the Big money is in Ratting in 0.0. The biggest problem is getting past the Gate camps... However once your in.... its easy to hide and if you go deep enough its practically deserted. BoB space is Good since they are mostly at the Front lines (9-9) and they have soo much territory even the pets stay close to their home bases... (I've heard the sitation is similar in RA) They really can't patrol it all. If you want to solo 0.0 there are a few ways, First off you need to Download OMBEYS Maps. (too lazy to link) thay will tell you where all the good rats are and all the staions etc are in 0.0) Lower True Security -.63 etc means fatter rats) Then you need to get into 0.0 ,that means avoiding the gate camps. Before you go get a 14 day trial account use him to scout the gatecamps ahead of (a second PC/ or laptop helps) Go near Downtimes. If you have CovOps by then you can use that to explore and find the best routes but CoVops are not invincible/invisible to gatecamps, if you get***y you will get popped. I am a big believer in living off the land and that means Training Amarr! What?!?! you say ? I thought Amarr Sucked?.. Two words.. NO AMMO-- Sure the Raven (Or Drake) is a better Ratter but if your deep in 0.0 then you dont want to be running to empire to get ammo...(You can go to NPC 0.0 stations ut themore people see you the more likely you will be shot.) So to maximise your solo Ratting with lasers you'll need rats that are vulnerable to lasers....Figure that out and you'll narrow your choices on where to go. BTW an Arbitrator (Amarr Cruiser) can solo 500K BS Spawns if your careful and patient. (Harbinger is better). I know you'll be tempted by the 1.4 Million Spawn but unless your in Raven or other BS Forget it.. you will be toasted. Also Make sure you put a cloak on your ratter.. if anyone comes in.. Disappear.. The other Scenario (Takes more Money but this is a longer term plan) is to go into NPC 0.0 (like Syndicate) with your CovOps taking with BPO's for the best Cruiser you can afford and ammo. maybe some Modules. (ECM is always a good seller). Setyourself up in the NPC Station, Buy the minerals you need and make ships to sell and to use. Set your Clone in that station and work like a dog! This is a more Expensive option since Ship BPO's cost lots of Money. Here is the Controversial Part...Flame suit on** If you don't feel like Grinding away for the ISK and you have an extra $15.00 US, Buy a Game Time Code (GTC) and Sell it to another player (use the CCP Secure method only) you'll make appx 150-170 million ISK from the sale. Use that to set yourself up and buy what you need. Then the only thing you need to worry about is the order your train your skills (EveMon is your friend) and learning how to PvP and properly chain a system for rats (Hint don't kill everything in sight..only the big money ones leave at least one little one this will make the the Big ones respwn so you don't have to leave a system looking for a good spawn.) Good luck! Yeah I'm an Alt- Go cry elswhere
Valrandir Gallente Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.07.17 17:32:00 - [36] Originally by: Chribba mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine build mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine pirate mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine scam mine mine mine mine mine mine mine pvp mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine yours mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine pew pew mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine quit mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine trade mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine others mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine Spam -------------------------------- This has surpassed the Yarrdware specification and has been dubbed Uberware
Eemaavi Amarr	Posted - 2007.07.17 17:44:00 - [37] Originally by: Alski Ugh.... to a new player I never recommend going to 0.0 as a serious way of making isk until they've had a fair amount of experience in the game, say at least a couple of months in the game + a corp that has 0.0 access, itÆs the best way to get started in 0.0 imho. But the two big disagreements I have with the above are: 1. lowsec is so easy to traverse and live in compared to 0.0 its almost laughable. 2.GTC? the guy is training exploration, given a single radar site in the right (lowsec/empire) region can make you 50-200m isk, ugh.. why bother? For a new player, lowsec exploration > soloing 0.0 imho OK By the time he has his CoVops he'll have gotten plenty of Experience. I didn't say that 0.0 was easier, just more profitable for ratting. I'll be honest about Exploration, I have not done any in Lowsec and the sites I have found in 0.0 were Corp gang sized encounters so I Ididn't consider them Viable for a solo. Going into 0.0 in Corp is always better than soloing but I hate it when people say you can't "Solo" 0.0 cause thats not True. Traversing 0.0 once you in deep enough is easy enough. Especially if you have an Alt Scout. (Laughably Easy) As for the GTC.you are probably right. But the GTC trade takes 5 miutes of time for that 170 million versus Jerking Around looking for a Good Site. In the Long Run Exploration will make you more money, enough that you can be on the other end.. Buying GTCs for ISK and play for free.. but if you need a quick injection of ISK to get get you settled in or recover from a loss then GTC Trading is still a good option. Yeah I'm an Alt- Go cry elswhere
Alski Gallente Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.17 18:01:00 - [38] True enough to all of the above, I'll just admit that I don't like the idea of advising newbies to sell GTC's for ISK, partly because they are more likely to spend it unwisely, and lose it to other players in the forum of lost ships etc, but mostly because it implies that new players need RMT to get ahead, and they do not. A well chosen, decent, well organised and friendly corp would get a new player: isk, decent ratting ship, advice and training, and 0.0 access, he wouldn't get it in the same time it takes to sell a GTC, but it would be better in the long run. Buying ISK and then probably losing it because A: you’re a new player, B: you don't know what your doing, C: don't have a corp or more experienced friends to guide you, and D: going to 0.0 while lacking all the above..... .... just kinda seems bad - (combat) Patch belonging to CCP hits your drones, wrecking their liberty and freedom.
Hannobaal Gallente Dragonfire Intergalactic Crusaders of Krom Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.07.17 18:21:00 - [39] Originally by: L0st S0ul I'm a carebear at the moment because the risk of losing a ships is too much for me to keep replacing. How do you move from carebear to 0.0 life without losing ships all the time. If you play Eve to fight, you will lose ships all the time. Fly only what you can afford to lose. If you're really broke, just fly nothing but tech 1 fitted tech 1 frigates in pvp combat until you have more money. ------------------
Allan Robertson Gallente Azure Horizon Coalition Of Empires	Posted - 2007.07.17 19:05:00 - [40] I've been playing EVE since 04 and I've had about enough, EVE has become very boring, it's a slow game that takes a long time to get anything productive done, and my main ISK maker, missions, has become a grind, the same thinge over and over again, go kill this and go kill that. I've never tried 0.0 because I hate allaince poltics and really don't care what BoB get into or what aliance did what today. If you don't care for you sec standing just kill and camp in low sec, or try 0.0, for 0.0 access you are better off joining an aliance that has 0.0 access or control, thats my advice. --- Say YES! to Mining Cargo Holds on barges!

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