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Ravel Pnin	Posted - 2007.07.18 06:24:00 - [1] EVE TV (www.eve-online.tv) is a joke. I'm supposed to pay 2 bucks to watch what is essentially a promotional video for EVE online? Every piece of "news" that is mentioned can be gotten in-game or on the forums for free. Seriously, I thought the idea of EVE-TV was cool until some garbage called "Jalipo" started telling me about my "credits" and asking for 2 bucks to watch an infomercial for EVE. Make EVE-TV totally FREE and it will be a very cool promotional tool for your game. Try to charge for it and prepare to be laughed at by your customers.
Lord XSiV Amarr dust to dust	Posted - 2007.07.18 06:50:00 - [2] Agreed, it should be free. I said I wouldn't comment until I watched some of it. So I used the trial after tons of procrastination... It wasn't due to quality - in fact it was quite well done. It wasn't because of the streaming provider - no blip slike on the tourney. It wasn't because of the content - it was actually pretty good. It came down to whether it was worth paying for - it wasn't. So I would suggest going back to the drawing board and possibly looking to see if there is a way to sell advertising or something. I am sure there are tons of companies out there willing to purchase direct advertising especially since focused advertising is the way to go these days.
Durethia Momentum. The Reckoning.	Posted - 2007.07.18 07:37:00 - [3] Edited by: Durethia on 18/07/2007 07:37:08 It makes absolutely no sense to pay for "tv". The only two reasons cinemas make money is for those that wish to see the movie as soon as possible; and to a shrinking degree, just to see it "on the big screen". However, that "big screen" theory is rapidly coming to a halt, because there are no "dollar cinemas" in Southern California any more, that made money on rerun motion pictures on the big screen. Here's the big kicker. No television is worth paying for. Not even cable television like Home Box Office, CNN, ESPN. The commercials all pay for it. If you are old enough, you probably remember a time when MTV (Music Television) never played a single commercial, the only thing coming close are those infamous MTV cartoon animations of various items or critters coming together to make the letters 'MTV'. Once in a while, a VJ (Video DJ) would give some music relevant news, like David Bowie getting married, or so and so died.... but that's about it. I also remember, when HBO, Cinemax, Showtime never aired one iota sequence of commercial. Why? Becuase these are the main reasons for "paying" for television; during the dawn of 'cable television'. You either "paid" to watch a movie without interruption, or you had to watch public television (ABC, CBS, NBC) and every fifteen minutes be brainwashed into buying another pair of Nikes, or thinking you need another Coca Cola. In the beginning, no one bought "basic cable", it made no sense at all to do so; like tossing money in the trash bin. So, why do you pay for Cable television? Why do you pay for "Satellite Radio"? Why do you pay publication houses for Cosmopolitan, Time Life et al? Simple... some where in Marketing and Trend analysis, some wierd notion that people associate quality with value. The only reason you pay for these services, is becuase their REAL BOSS, the marketing companies pushing advertisements say the medium carrying their advertisements must come at cost, becuase they think people will take it more seriously. It's why we can't boycott the entertainment industry... it's more profitable for Time Life, or whatever magazine, if we stole the magazine than if we bought it. That way, they don't have to bother with all the costs of keeping track of the worthless chump change, and all the crap going along with it (like consumers claiming they didn't authorize that charge on the credit card)... simple tax exemptable write off... stolen merchandise at SRP instead of shelf price. If you were sitting in an olympic size pool full of hundred dollar bills, would you notice the ten dollar bill from the consumer? Would you even care? That's how appreciated your dollar is at the news stand. You showed up, one more click, that's all they care about.... user base, size of audience all to get marketing dollars, not yours.
Ambo 2nd Outcasters	Posted - 2007.07.18 07:52:00 - [4] Originally by: Ravel Pnin EVE TV (www.eve-online.tv) is a joke. I'm supposed to pay 2 bucks to watch what is essentially a promotional video for EVE online? Every piece of "news" that is mentioned can be gotten in-game or on the forums for free. Seriously, I thought the idea of EVE-TV was cool until some garbage called "Jalipo" started telling me about my "credits" and asking for 2 bucks to watch an infomercial for EVE. Make EVE-TV totally FREE and it will be a very cool promotional tool for your game. Try to charge for it and prepare to be laughed at by your customers. I don't really understand how evetv could ever be a promotional tool... No one who does not play would watch it and even if they did, most of the stuff talked about would be meaningless to them. If you don't think it's worth the money then don't pay it. Why do you think it should be free exactly? There are plenty of things to be paid for here and there are only 2 ways to pay for it: advertising or billing the consumer. Since there is no advertising, that only leaves option 2. If I go and buy a car then I take it for an annual service at the same garage then I don't expect to get that service for free, I have to pay for it because the company has costs to cover. Frankly, I'm amazed evetv is as cheap as it is.
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.07.18 08:10:00 - [5] Let's look at it this way. Eve TV has certain production costs. There are three ways that those costs can be covered: * Through a payment for watching each programme * Through advertising * Through an increase in the cost of an Eve subscription. People would moan no matter what method was used. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Durethia Momentum. The Reckoning.	Posted - 2007.07.18 08:20:00 - [6] Originally by: Ambo Frankly, I'm amazed evetv is as cheap as it is. I don't like the third party billing scheme; I'm an international customer, so I would rather deal with just one person or legal entity. I kinda wish, the eve store was 'aware' of my current account.

CCP Wrangler	Posted - 2007.07.18 10:29:00 - [7] EVE TV costs money to make, which is why you have to pay for it, or we won't have EVE TV. I don't see people saying for example that a magazine about cell phones should be free because it's essentially a marketing tool for cell phone manufacturers. And to think of it, no one complains about EON costing money, that's also a magazine about EVE that costs money to produce, so you have to pay if you wish to read it. Wrangler Community Manager EVE Online Contact Support - Contact Moderators - Report Bug - Submit News Leads - Knowledge Base Player Guide - Policies - Join ISD - Fan Submissions - DevFinder LiteÖ

Ynno	Posted - 2007.07.18 11:45:00 - [8] Edited by: Ynno on 18/07/2007 11:45:38 Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE TV costs money to make, which is why you have to pay for it, or we won't have EVE TV. I don't see people saying for example that a magazine about cell phones should be free because it's essentially a marketing tool for cell phone manufacturers. And to think of it, no one complains about EON costing money, that's also a magazine about EVE that costs money to produce, so you have to pay if you wish to read it. Although in the case of EON you do actually own a copy and can read it again whenever you want without paying for the privilege. And you can lend it to a friend too, or read it wherever you want, which you won't be able to do if the downloadable version of EVE TV is being looked into is DRMed as the FAQ says it will be.
Omega Man The Geddy Foundation	Posted - 2007.07.18 11:59:00 - [9] Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE TV costs money to make, which is why you have to pay for it, or we won't have EVE TV. I don't see people saying for example that a magazine about cell phones should be free because it's essentially a marketing tool for cell phone manufacturers. And to think of it, no one complains about EON costing money, that's also a magazine about EVE that costs money to produce, so you have to pay if you wish to read it. Well now you have discovered people are happy to pay for the EON but there is clearly resistance to paying for EVETV, keep that thinking hat on and consider why that might be the case. Maybe a factor is I can pick up that magazine and take it with me, I have my own copy sitting here right in front of me, in easily accessible format. Maybe its because someone does not charge me everytime I pick it up and read it, be it five minutes later or five months later. Maybe its a lot of things.
Wolf Pershaw	Posted - 2007.07.18 13:35:00 - [10] I think the difference is that a magazine is something you physically own while EVE TV is something you only watch once. You can make claim on both cases. It's not fair to pay for something you can read in the forums, but you can claim that people do the same thing when paying for cable/satellite television. It's basically adding more money into the mix. But the big difference is that the GMs can quickly get a ship into the foray and record the battle as a by-standard. Where the non-writer tries to place the details into a forum page where all the details can be misleading.

EVETV Xyliana	Posted - 2007.07.18 14:26:00 - [11] EVE TV is only a few weeks old and as mentioned in many other threads both EVE TV and CCP are looking into a number of different options to view, download being one of the big shiny ones. EVE TV Website

Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.18 14:28:00 - [12] Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE TV costs money to make, which is why you have to pay for it, or we won't have EVE TV. I don't see people saying for example that a magazine about cell phones should be free because it's essentially a marketing tool for cell phone manufacturers. And to think of it, no one complains about EON costing money, that's also a magazine about EVE that costs money to produce, so you have to pay if you wish to read it. EON is shiny. It is enjoyable. It is a physical object I can count among my personal possessions. I can read it a second time without being charged my subscription twice. I can take it on the bus with me, or on holiday. Jalipo is an extortionate travesty. While EveTV is being distributed by that trash, not a penny of my money will go towards it. It does beg an obvious question: why doesn't EveTV move to a subscription based format? Free to view streaming, accessible only to those with a paid subscription. It solves the problem of using the crap that is Jalipo, keeps all the natural copy-defences that Jalipo's streaming provides, and allows people to watch episodes multiple times. --------
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.07.18 15:00:00 - [13] Originally by: EVETV Xyliana EVE TV is only a few weeks old and as mentioned in many other threads both EVE TV and CCP are looking into a number of different options to view, download being one of the big shiny ones. DVD DVD DVD DVD cheer with me! ----------------------------------- I'm working my way through college target CCP
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.07.18 20:18:00 - [14] Quote: EVE TV should be free No. - I wish I was a three foot female doll with a watering can and heterochromatic eyes.
Eric Eclipse	Posted - 2007.07.19 06:15:00 - [15] Agreed i was surprised when i had to pay for credits. Its just a TV show.
Kubu Abu	Posted - 2007.07.19 13:38:00 - [16] Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE TV costs money to make, which is why you have to pay for it, or we won't have EVE TV. I don't see people saying for example that a magazine about cell phones should be free because it's essentially a marketing tool for cell phone manufacturers. And to think of it, no one complains about EON costing money, that's also a magazine about EVE that costs money to produce, so you have to pay if you wish to read it. /me has never payed for a magazine nor would i when you can go next door (specially with the internet these days) and find the competitors for free, because they actually want to sell the product not make every cent they can.
Apply HUN Corp. HUN Reloaded	Posted - 2007.07.20 11:45:00 - [17] Originally by: CCP Wrangler And to think of it, no one complains about EON costing money, that's also a magazine about EVE that costs money to produce, so you have to pay if you wish to read it. And think of it, no one complains because they had to pay for reading an article twice in EON, however it also costs money to produce.
14of12	Posted - 2007.07.20 15:17:00 - [18] As I have a subscription on (4 EON Magazine per year) it cost me only once 55 euro's per year. But i can look in over and over and over again. I do not think if you want too see for the second time an episode of EVE-TV that it is for free. And $ 72,00 a day i find pretty expensive. AK

EVETV Xyliana	Posted - 2007.07.20 15:21:00 - [19] Aye just to reassure you nothing is falling on deaf ears we are looking into quite a few options, DL is one of them so you can watch over and over again. EVE TV Website

Tao Han Caldari Synthetic Frontiers	Posted - 2007.07.20 15:32:00 - [20] Originally by: Eric Eclipse Agreed i was surprised when i had to pay for credits. Its just a TV show. And as most TV shows they cost money to produce and losing money producing stuff is in most cases not a good plan. We would all like free stuff but it is not feasible all the time.
Rialtor Amarr TANDBERG Initiative	Posted - 2007.07.20 18:08:00 - [21] My biggest gripe with Eve TV is this jallipo thing. You need to make the payment process more transparent, you have our billing info, and couldnÆt you just add it to our bill per month? If it were more transparent, I doubt you'd have as much qualms. Have the player Log in, have a buy button, and add it to their acct. What is this nonsense about credits? Once we view something once, couldn't that just unlock a download that we could download whenever we wanted? As for the notion of it being free, couldn't you guys get some kind of ad revenue through commercials for instance? While I'm sure EveTV has production costs, how high is it per episode that you can't have it covered through ads? Plus it could in fact be a promotion tool, someone in some another MMO might come across EveTV haphazardly one day, and he sees something he likes -- a rather unique community. You might pick up customers, that way. But that whole aspect is missing if it is not in fact free. It's a rather nice marketing tool; most games don't have TV shows dedicated to them. Personally I would find that a good way to lure customers. Of course you'd have to spend more money, or divert advertisement funds to promote Eve TV towards more people than just the Eve Online player base. I mean that's how I started playing Eve; I saw Eve TV and their coverage of some sort of pvp championship on you tube. And because of that my friends and I decided to try the game, all 7 of us. And that was because of a free look inside Eve, something that you don't really get from just 3rd party game reviews. Also can you really NOT make it free in today's world? CouldnÆt people just record it, and post it anyway, on like you tube, stage6, bittorrent, etc? As for EON vs. Eve TV, it is 2 totally different media with different preconceived notions. Anyone that goes to a store expects to pay money for a magazine. ThatÆs not the case with TV. If I want to watch a TV show, Law and Order, Lost, 24, etc., I donÆt pay for it -- save the cost of the TV, and maybe a cable subscription (not needed for network TV). I have a game subscription and a computer, so itÆs these kinds of notions that make people resistant about paying for TV shows. Eve TV isnÆt a channel; itÆs not a series of channels, so most people just see if as something that should be free, based on their experience with TV shows.
Macmuelli Gallente Gallente Mercantile Exchange Coalition Of Empires	Posted - 2007.07.21 00:34:00 - [22] I ve seen today the first time eve tv. Im sure it will be better with every episode. If CCP use this as a platform, bringing the costumers closer to ccp.Feed us up with informations about incoming Patches, to make us " hot" for it. Little Artworks/ little informations, interviews about stuff, how u work. Ingame Politcs, and ppls which are willing to give up there "internet-annonymity", to give a little view of there intentions, doing what they do in game. "without endless sides of smacktalk,like ingame forums threats" It s pretty simple to cover all costs and pay your investment u had to get money for your work. It s the Work of the Eve Tv team to make it interesting for us. Launching this with Revelation s II was a good move. Al least some situations in fights has changed. Politics changed fast. As long it is interesting i pay. If its not an interesting program/ film i dont look Tv, and turn it offline. Keep it interesting and i m willing to pay your hard work. breg mac Ps: As every investment u had to have reserves in background , so keep eve tv running to see what it will bring in futur. If CCP opens the way for more social interaction it coud be also a move for more interesting things ingame. I wanna see walk in stations with "in stations HOLOrealbattles" like a minigame. Reported by eve tv team. And i will give in my "in-staion-bar a "Cooking show" "Ein jeder ernte Ruhm auf seine Weise.....Gunnar von Hlidarendi "
Xenofur Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.21 03:04:00 - [23] Edited by: Xenofur on 21/07/2007 03:04:25 put low quality versions with a delay of a few days on youtube, and advertise jalepo or whatever as the high-q and immediate version -> everyone's happy.
pi3141592654	Posted - 2007.07.21 05:41:00 - [24] agreed
Argyle Jones Minmatar Wreckless Abandon Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.07.21 14:47:00 - [25] Does this mean future alliance tournaments will cost money to view as well? EVE TV started as a free service to your users. I can appreciate that by expanding the concept you need to cover your costs, but if it ends up having less people actually watching what EVE TV was built for in the first place... At least keep the alliance tourney a free event. Usually when a game company uses micropayment it's to replace the subscription fee, not on top of it. /Argyle
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.07.21 15:37:00 - [26] Originally by: Argyle Jones Does this mean future alliance tournaments will cost money to view as well? EVE TV started as a free service to your users. I can appreciate that by expanding the concept you need to cover your costs, but if it ends up having less people actually watching what EVE TV was built for in the first place... At least keep the alliance tourney a free event. Usually when a game company uses micropayment it's to replace the subscription fee, not on top of it. /Argyle NO they said that already. ----------------------------------- I'm working my way through college target CCP
baaaaal	Posted - 2007.07.24 04:43:00 - [27] Quote: And to think of it, no one complains about EON costing money, that's also a magazine about EVE that costs money to produce, so you have to pay if you wish to read it. Wink theres a big difference between buying a physical object and paying for something you can only watch once, im sure if the eon magazine disintigrated after one read people wouldnt buy that either

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