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Giegor
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Posted - 2007.07.19 01:14:00 -
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Is there a resource that list what pirates, or pirate corp will honour ransom payments? If not, there should be don't u think? Something you can easily access while actually being held, to determine wether it's worth paying or not. |
Admiral Shallow
Gallente
Shadow KnighT Productions
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Posted - 2007.07.19 01:17:00 -
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If you don't meet the pirates demands, your dead.. So basically either pay or lose your ship..
Also try to be quick about your decision as it's not wise to hang around debating
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Giegor
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Posted - 2007.07.19 01:32:00 -
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And you didn't read my post.
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DubanFP
Caldari
Four Rings
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Posted - 2007.07.19 01:41:00 -
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Edited by: DubanFP on 19/07/2007 01:41:06
As a whole most pirates will honor their ransom and breaking ransoms is usually looked down on by other pirates "some will go as far as targeting Ransom Breakers". Not because of honor or anything silly like that but just because it's bad buisiness. That person will almost certainly never accept ransom from the same pirate, and may not accept ransoms from other pirates that will hold their word.
That and you won't have time to look a pirate up on this "list" before he blows you up. Every second you don't send him the isk is another chance that you might be calling in reinforcements. Most pirates don't give more then 30 seconds to pay out. Not to mention anyone can place their own name on this "list" of honorable pirates.
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Admiral Shallow
Gallente
Shadow KnighT Productions
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Posted - 2007.07.19 01:59:00 -
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 Originally by: Giegor
And you didn't read my post.
I READ your post & understood it
but you didn't understand mine..
But the above poster explains it better than me in his second paragraph
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Giegor
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Posted - 2007.07.19 02:41:00 -
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Thanks Duban. I guess it would be pretty easy for dishonourable pirates to add their names to the list unless it was run by ccp and required proof of ransom breakers in order to take thier names off the list.
I have never actually been held to ransom, but am sure it will happen one day, and would be willing to pay if I knew for sure that promises would be kept. But as it is, having read some stories on these forums of pirates boasting about how evil thay can be, by destroying ships after receiving ransoms and then even pod killing, I don't think it would be worth paying, and would rather fight to the death.
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Mephistophilis
hirr
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.07.19 08:12:00 -
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It's a tricky one tbh, i don't mind loosing ships and if its a good fight i don't care how much it cost. I've never been ransomed but if i was and decided to pay, being destroyed anyway would really get my back up!
There isn't really any resource for this kinda stuff and it wouldn't do much good in time anyway. All you can do at the mo is check the c&p forum and see if there are any usuall suspects.
Back when i started i (my alt) was in a Regional ant-pirate chanel, if you were being ransomed you could get that info fast. This could be something to start yourself.
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Wind Ictiva
Delta Kappa Gamma
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Posted - 2007.07.19 08:34:00 -
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basically dont trust ransom offers if offered by people in NPC corps or known distrustful corps like Racketeers.
you get to know the distrustful corporations by reading here in c&p and post about them if you run into them.
most well known pirate corps honor them.
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Cpt Branko
Guardian Heroes
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Posted - 2007.07.19 08:41:00 -
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Originally by: Giegor
I have never actually been held to ransom, but am sure it will happen one day, and would be willing to pay if I knew for sure that promises would be kept. But as it is, having read some stories on these forums of pirates boasting about how evil thay can be, by destroying ships after receiving ransoms and then even pod killing, I don't think it would be worth paying, and would rather fight to the death.
Pay it. I've been ransomed and ransomed myself a number of times, never had any problems, always was worth it to both me and the pirate/target involved.
People want their money immediately, though, so don't mess about and negotiate a lot - decide wether it's too much to pay or not and pay it right away.
Fighting to the death is all fine and great, but when it's your death we're talking about, it's better to accept the convo, accept the ransom, and get the hell out. Getting your ransom dishonoured is always a risk, but if you lose 10M in addition to losing your ship, it's hardly going to break the bank.
The ones who brag about dishonouring ransoms are idiots.
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band0fdevs
Gallente
Band of Dev's
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Posted - 2007.07.19 08:58:00 -
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they attract a lot of war decs if they dishonour enough
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Leuko Uratne
Alcatraz Inc.
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Posted - 2007.07.19 12:37:00 -
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I think it's a good idea actually. A page where people can share which pirates are known to dishonor their ransoms. Shouldn't be too hard to set up, and using the IGB it is possible to track who leaves comments on who. Just have it so that you have two radio buttons to push, "Honored a ransom" and "Did not honor a ransom". As more people leave feedback it becomes clear which pirates break the ransom repeatedly, which ones have a flawless record, and which ones break ransoms occaisonally.
With a good search engine on site, as well as quick server, it should be possible to check a pirate's status within the time limit enforced upon you by said pirate.
If this site gets popular enough honorable pirates might start linking to their record on the site when asking for a ransom, both to increase the likelihood of the ransom being paid, and to encourage the victim to leave positive feedback.
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Nama Saya
Chickens with an Attitude
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Posted - 2007.07.19 12:45:00 -
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I get very likely kicked out of the corp if I destroy your ship after you payed me the ransom.
So the answer is that if you get the offer to save your ship, better take it! Most keep there word!
Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure
about the the universe
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DarkElf
Veto.
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.07.19 12:53:00 -
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I would say well in excess of 90% of ranoms are honored however you may come across someone who doesn't. If you stand to save money and time by paying it then i would suggest paying the man.
DE
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Lavraen
Minmatar
Racketeers
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Posted - 2007.07.19 12:54:00 -
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Originally by: Wind Ictiva
basically dont trust ransom offers if offered by people in NPC corps or known distrustful corps like Racketeers.
you get to know the distrustful corporations by reading here in c&p and post about them if you run into them.
most well known pirate corps honor them.
I always honour ransoms and I'm in RAK. Just goes to show it should be based on the "pirate" concerned not the corp from which the "pirate" comes from.
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Zephyr Zhang
kleptomaniacs
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Posted - 2007.07.19 12:57:00 -
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One of our very few rules is to always honour ransoms.
Zephyr Out
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Agent Li
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Posted - 2007.07.19 13:44:00 -
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Originally by: Admiral Shallow
If you don't meet the pirates demands, your dead.. So basically either pay or lose your ship..
Also try to be quick about your decision as it's not wise to hang around debating
About half the time, you pay AND you lose your ship.
Best not to fly around in something you can't afford to lose.
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Agent Li
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Posted - 2007.07.19 13:45:00 -
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Originally by: DarkElf
I would say well in excess of 90% of ranoms are honored however you may come across someone who doesn't. If you stand to save money and time by paying it then i would suggest paying the man.
DE
then again, if I'm bored out of my socks, and it's DE asking for the ransom, I may just say "no" just to see some fireworks.
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Ishbuanium
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Posted - 2007.07.19 13:46:00 -
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seriously, out of the mouth of a carebear, just pay the man.
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MASTER SMAMMAH
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Posted - 2007.07.19 13:52:00 -
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Never ever pay a ransom. Get a better ship and learn how to get out of battles you can't win. And if you have no choice, fight to the death because more than 10% of pirates don't honor ransoms.
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Beor0d
Congregatio
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Posted - 2007.07.19 14:04:00 -
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Edited by: Beor0d on 19/07/2007 14:11:22
The problem is simple for me, i got ransomed AFTER he popped my ship and he tried to sell my can back to me for a price that was twice the price of the ore in there :)
After that he said to me that he will come in his big dread which can shoot about 1 AU to destroy my POS.
Other place other time
Pirate ransomed me for a price which was over the top of my budget AND 1.5x the price of my ship.
Why should i pay such losers?
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DarkElf
Veto.
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.07.19 14:10:00 -
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Originally by: Agent Li
Originally by: DarkElf
I would say well in excess of 90% of ranoms are honored however you may come across someone who doesn't. If you stand to save money and time by paying it then i would suggest paying the man.
DE
then again, if I'm bored out of my socks, and it's DE asking for the ransom, I may just say "no" just to see some fireworks.
 i like it
DE
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Cpt Branko
Guardian Heroes
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Posted - 2007.07.19 14:46:00 -
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Originally by: MASTER SMAMMAH
Never ever pay a ransom. Get a better ship and learn how to get out of battles you can't win. And if you have no choice, fight to the death because more than 10% of pirates don't honor ransoms.
Well, OK, that didn't make sense.
I'm perfectly fine with my ransom not being honoured 20% of the time. I still profited out of it if the ransoms I did pay were reasonable.
For most T1 ships, the reasonable ransom to charge/pay is about the cost of premium insurance for the ship + a bit extra, if we're talking about a relatively new player, since if you're a pirate, odds are you're NOT going to get more then 15M out of mods your typical BC has. For most ships, both parties profit in the case the ransom is premium insurance cost < x < loss cost. Else, you just don't pay, duh.
15mil to avoid losing 30ish means I'm prefectly well to do if more then 50% of my ransoms work...
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sessicant
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Posted - 2007.07.19 15:25:00 -
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No resources, A list of pirates that do or do not honor ransom would quickly be abused
It's best to pay up. shoot an evemail to the corp CEO if someone doesnt honor ransom. It will have a greater effect then putting a bounty on the guy.
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Koxinga
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Posted - 2007.07.19 16:10:00 -
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Originally by: MASTER SMAMMAH
Never ever pay a ransom. Get a better ship and learn how to get out of battles you can't win. And if you have no choice, fight to the death because more than 10% of pirates don't honor ransoms.
Don't you know that 92.3% of all "percentages" are made up?
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Originally by: "Chribba"
haha
I would probably have removed that if I saw it too :P But since we spoke about it now I'll approve it.
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dragonssbane
Caldari
State War Academy
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Posted - 2007.07.19 20:39:00 -
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I ask for cost of premium insurance.
+10% if you are being mouthy
+10% if you are arrogant
Noobs...i let off with basic insurance costs. Noobs who auto pilot through lo-sec...instant death.
And death if you don't pay or you are any way related to that guy--->MASTER SMAMMAH
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Alpha Sentori
kleptomaniacs
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Posted - 2007.07.19 20:56:00 -
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Originally by: MASTER SMAMMAH
Never ever pay a ransom. Get a better ship and learn how to get out of battles you can't win. And if you have no choice, fight to the death because more than 10% of pirates don't honor ransoms.
More *****ing advice there mate, nice
Giegor,
You'll never get a resource like that to work effectively. Use your own judgement based on value of your ship or implants at the time. You have to take a chance and hope the pirate will honour the contract. If you ever get ransomed by us I can assure you it will be be honoured. Makes no sense at all to dishonour it.
Alpha
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Mr Floppyknickers
SniggWaffe
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.07.19 22:43:00 -
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Just pay it if you feel it's worth it, if it's too high don't. If the pirate breaks his word just come here to the forums for a name and shame... quite simple really.
The pirate corps I've asscoaited with over the years all have a similar code of ethics for the most part. If someone pays the ransom honor it (failing to do so results in being shown the door) and if someone pays and you accidentally kill them anyway (it happens) refund the ransom.
You can usually get a feel for the person while you're dealing with them as to their overall demenor and how they handle themselves. If you get a polite convo asking for a ransom in clear terms you're probably okay. Get one littered with l33t speak or inane ramblings and OFMG or similar abbreviations and you're taking your chances. Not to say those sorts won't honor it, just a little more risky.
And like I say, anyone who fails to honor a ransom should be named and shamed. It adds up, and people who pay attention will know not to pay, and saps who don't ... well they were saps anyway 
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Price Watcher
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Posted - 2007.07.19 23:27:00 -
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Every pirate in EVE will kill you immediately after you pay the ransom.
There is no honor amongst thieves.
Tell them where they can insert their ransom demand and die like a man!
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DubanFP
Caldari
Four Rings
D-L
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Posted - 2007.07.19 23:30:00 -
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Originally by: Price Watcher
Every pirate in EVE will kill you immediately after you pay the ransom.
There is no honor amongst thieves.
Tell them where they can insert their ransom demand and die like a man!
idiot, obviously you've never been ransomed. That or only been ransomed once and got unlucky. You are correct in that there is no honor, just good and poor buisiness practices. Like i said it's awefull buisiness practice to break ransoms for yourself and ALL pirates. Because of this, very few pirates break ransoms.
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Azirapheal
Amarr
kleptomaniacs
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Posted - 2007.07.20 00:15:00 -
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/emote sincerely hopes to high buggery the OP isnt writing this while waiting to see if he should pay a ransom
although on a serious note, any pirate worth his salt will honour a ransom... bad business to not.
oh and being refused a ransom request from yourself to the pirate (ive seen it before) is not indicative of the pirate breaking a ransom.. but probably deciding that ur cargo is worth nuking if you initiate the ransom procedure
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